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    [VIDEO] Our fight is against those who selected Imran Khan, says former PM Nawaz Sharif from London

    All eyes are on Islamabad where the much-hyped gathering of the opposition leaders, aimed at devising a strategy to oust the PTI-led coalition government, is taking place.

    Prior to a recess for lunch, the speakers were united in underscoring the "need for a plan of action" but have yet to announce what it is.

    PPP leader and former president Asif Ali Zardari delivered the opening speech at the PPP-hosted multiparty conference through video link.

    Zardari thanked sup*reme leader of the PML-N Nawaz Sharif for virtually attending the conference and asked everyone to pray for the deposed prime minister's health. Both Zardari and Nawaz, who are facing corruption cases, are currently out on bail on account of their health.

    He criticised the government over what he called were "tactics" to suppress the opposition and media.

    He welcomed Maryam, PML-N vice-president and daughter of Nawaz Sharif, and said he was happy to see her at the conference. "We have seen the difficulties she has faced and we can understand because my own sister has gone to jail and my wife went to jail [...] We pay tribute to her and we are with you, and will keep fighting for your cause and you will keep fighting for ours, I am sure."

    Nawaz breaks his silence
    Nawaz then addressed participants via video link from London, marking his political comeback after more than a year. He started by thanking PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari for hosting the conference as well as Zardari, saying he would not forget the love with which the former president spoke to him a day earlier.

    "I am thankful to the organisers of the conference for giving me the opportunity to talk. Even though I am away from my country, I know very well what condition the country and the people are in. I believe this is a decisive turn; it is necessary to protect democracy [...] and take fearless decisions."

    In an all-encompassing speech, which centred on criticising the Imran Khan-led government, Nawaz spoke on the "poor state" of Pakistan's economy, "deteriorating" international relations, "muzzling" of media and "corruption within the PTI and Bani Gala".

    "The country's leader keeps harping on about accountability but he himself is involved in raising sugar prices. Will no reference be filed against him?"

    He also repeated opposition's allegation that the National Accountability Bureau (NAB), with the connivance of PTI, was carrying out only "selective accountability".

    'Democracy in danger'
    "If we don't do it [take a step] today, when will we?" asked Nawaz, who has been in the UK since November last year for medical treatment.

    "I agree with Maulana [Fazlur Rehman, chief of JUI-F] that we need to make this conference purposeful or people will be disappointed.

    "Pakistan has been constantly deprived from a democratic system [...] When the vote is dishonoured, the entire democratic system becomes meaningless. When it is decided before the election process as to who will win and who will lose, then it can be guessed how the public is betrayed and how the public's mandate is stolen."

    Pakistan has become a laboratory of "such experiments", added Nawaz. "Every child knows that no prime minister has been allowed to complete five years in power."

    All dictators have spent multiple years while premiers have hardly been allowed to complete their term, he said.

    "When a dictator was first brought into the courtroom for violating the Constitution, you saw what happened. Court gave dictators the right to play with the Constitution and acquitted someone who broke the Constitution twice [...] Whereas the ones who follow the Constitution are still in jail."

    'Parallel government'
    Nawaz said former prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani once pointed to "a state within a state" in Pakistan. "It is saddening that the situation has escalated to a state above the state. This parallel government illness is the root-cause of our problems."

    Speaking about the 2018 elections, he said the the primary reason for the current problems were those people who "hijacked the people's mandate by putting inexperienced people in power". "This is a violation of the Constitution. Has anyone given a thought to what a grave crime it is to steal the people's mandate?"

    "Can I ask why the Results Transmission System (RTS) was closed for hours during election, why polling agents were thrown out during counting? Why was dhandli done, on whose saying and why? The secretary Election Commission should answer and all those responsible will have to answer."

    'Martial law has been enforced'
    Nawaz alleged the government has enforced a "martial law" . "Criminals are allowed to make amendments to the Constitution [...] the people's premier is expelled and his family is insulted.

    "This conference should bring forth a concrete plan of action for saving democracy, a concrete policy should be made for solving the problem of 'a parallel state'.

    "Our foremost priority should be removing this selected government and this system. Our struggle is not against Imran Khan. Today, our struggle is against those who installed Imran Khan and who manipulated elections to bring an inefficient man like him into power and thus destroyed the country.

    "If change is not brought, it will bring irreversible loss to this country. It is very important that our armed forces stay away from our governmental system according to our Constitution and the Quaid's speech, and not interfere with the people's choice. We have made this country a joke in our own eyes and internationally as well.

    "I again urge this all-party conference to go beyond its traditional ways and form a plan of action."

    'Plan of action'
    PPP and PML-N chiefs Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and Shehbaz Sharif at multiparty conference in Islamabad on Sunday. — Screengrab
    In his speech, Bilawal emphasised the need for the multiparty conference to come up with a proper plan of action for "gaining freedom for the people".

    "If [the people's] elected representatives cannot even speak in parliament and get their votes re-counted, what hope will the nation have?" he asked. He demanded that the opposition be given a level-playing field — not only in politics and media but in the parliament as well.

    He urged the opposition to unite and launch a movement similar to the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy (MRD) in the past."We are standing with the decision this forum takes and are willing to fight till our last breath," he said.

    PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif took the mic next, saying that the dictatorships in the country's history had not only put a black mark on democracy but also damaged the judiciary.

    Talking about the 2018 elections, he said: "Remember when a selected government came into power and the selected prime minister promised the nation that the discrepancy in the elections, the disappearance of the RTS system, and the pre-engineering of election results would be investigated."

    Shehbaz claimed that the committee formed to investigate had not made even "an inch of progress".

    "[The government] alleges that the opposition did not cooperate. I am ready for a probe so what bigger lie can there be?"

    A-list attendance
    Leaders of PPP, including chairperson Bilawal, started arriving at a five-star hotel in the capital, where the conference is being held, on Sunday morning. Senator Sherry Rehman while speaking to the media said that today's would a "historic all-party conference".

    Rehman had earlier told Dawn that heads and representatives of 12 opposition parties would be attending the conference. Jamaat-i-Islaami, however, distanced itself from the gathering.

    PML-N, National Party (NP), Awami National Party (ANP), Qaumi Watan Party (QWP), Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP), Balochistan National Party-Mengal (BNP-M) and Jamiatul Hadees are participating in the conference.

    PML-N del*e*gation, under party president and Leader of the Opposition Shehbaz Sharif, arrived at the conference with Khawaja Asif, Ahsan Iqbal, Ayaz Sadiq, Pervaiz Rasheed, Maryam Nawaz, Khawaja Saad Rafique, Rana Sanaullah, Ameer Maqam and Marriyum Aurangzeb.

    'No NRO'
    Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Political Communication Shahbaz Gill, who held a press conference early on Sunday, reiterated the government's stance that the opposition would not be given any NRO-like (National Reconci*liation Ordinance) concession.

    Minister for Information and Broadcasting Shibli Faraz termed the multiparty conference "a flimsy attempt to put pressure on the government to back off on accountability".

    "PM Imran Khan will never compromise his commitment on corruption. Hence no NRO," he said ahead of the conference.

    Following news of Nawaz's address, Gill had warned “the Pakistan Electronic Media Regula*tory Authority (Pemra) and other legal options” would be used if the PML-N supremo's speech was aired by TV channels.

    The speech, however, was aired by TV channels as well as live streamed on social media platforms. Gill told Geo News that Prime Minister Imran said that Nawaz Sharif's address should be aired so that "his lies could be exposed" to the nation.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1580682/na...rty-conference


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    You mean those who paid a certain someone and his party millions in secret to defeat PPP in 1990 in the infamous Mehran case?

    Or those who started a certain someone's career as a minister under Zia, the worst despot we have had?

    Or that certain someone who made deals with a military dictator in 2008 to come back in power?

    Because that certain one isn't Imran Khan. That certain someone is the buffoon who's hiding in London and who's been brought into power everytime making deals.

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    Zardari, Nawaz, Fazl?



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    Hmm so he wants to wage war against the people of Pakistan now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Hmm so he wants to wage war against the people of Pakistan now?




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    One thing is clear, NS still has a massive fan following and hold on his party. His brother, daughter and nephew do not come anywhere close in comparison. God forbid it he is no longer around, I question PML M's future

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    “Damn sacred of MNS”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    “Damn sacred of MNS”
    Noora worship of the Sacred NS

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    He's reading off a parchi there as well!

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    As Pakistan is moving in a different and better direction, none of them are getting re-elected, all of them know it. All of them have become a national security risk.

    The establishment of Pakistan needed someone who can represent Pakistan on an international level with honesty, fairness, and pure/clean patriotism because that has become the most important defense and offense against any enemy.

    They will create little inconvenience, paid media will do a few talk shows for rating and brown lifafa, but none of them will ever become PM of Pakistan, will hold an insignificant minority.

    In 10 years time, most of them will only have youtube channels to giver their opinion on current affairs.
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    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.

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    on fb only 19k have viewed NS parchi wali speech. even waqar zaka can gather more views than him. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.
    A brave politician would stay in Pakistan and fight whoever he considers an enemy, a coward would run like a little rat to a different country.

    Nelson was a brave politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Coffee View Post
    A brave politician would stay in Pakistan and fight whoever he considers an enemy, a coward would run like a little rat to a different country.

    Nelson was a brave politician.
    That would mean facing the music about his crimes, easier to hide somewhere.


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    Mian benefitted the most from the establishment. He has no credibility if he has suddenly become an ideological leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.
    He was a great PM\politician imo but don't expect him to fight against military he is not cut out for that

    He isn't a leader he is a power Hungary career politician and that's just a fact no one put it another way

    When he sees an opening with military he'll pounce (remember he tried to make a deal with military just a year ago)

    But they are just lesser of two evils
    They're more competent (yes people will nitpick but if we look at first 3 years of their gov (when they had military support) things were going great and all the infrastructure was starting also the loan situation was also discussed many times)

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    Pak army a state above the state, says Nawaz Sharif as Oppn unites against military leaders

    Pakistan’s major opposition parties on Sunday demanded an end to interference by the country’s military leaders in politics, with former premier Nawaz Sharif saying the army has gone from a ‘state within a state’ to a ‘state above the state’.

    For most of Pakistan’s history, there has been either a military dictator at the helm of affairs or, when there was an elected government, a parallel government was being run by the military, Sharif said in a hard-hitting speech to the conference which was attended by leaders of nearly all major opposition parties.

    The PML-N leader addressed the All Parties Conference, organised by Bilawal Bhutto Zardari of the Pakistan Peoples Party, via video link from London where he is undergoing medical treatment. Significantly, some parts of the proceedings of the conference were censored on most local TV channels.

    The military’s interference has reached a point where, from being a state within a state, it was now a state above the state, Sharif said. “This is the root cause of all our problems.”

    “Our struggle isn’t against (Prime Minister) Imran Khan but with the forces that have installed his illegitimate government to power,” said Sharif. While political leaders were consistently victimised in the name of accountability, army dictators got away despite subverting the Constitution and committing all sorts of crimes, he added.

    In contrast, he said, there were no accountability proceedings against army generals and gave the example of Asim Saleem Bajwa, a retired general and now head of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor Authority, whose undeclared holdings were exposed by the media but no action was taken.

    “We want elected leaders to run the affairs of the country, to manage the economy and to decide on the foreign policy.” said Sharif.

    The former PM said that under the Imran Khan government, Pakistan has become internationally isolated. “The Indian government took advantage of the weak and incompetent government to swallow Kashmir,” he alleged, adding, “even Pakistan’s friends did not stand by it when it protested.”

    Sharif asked whose agenda foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi was working on when he attacked Saudi Arabia and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation. He was referring to the minister’s comments attacking the Saudi leadership of OIC over what he called its ‘dilly-dallying’ on the Kashmir issue, which led to souring of relations with Riyadh.

    “When we pointed out that our friendly countries were warning us about our involvement in external issues which was being done at the behest of the military, we were attacked and it was turned into a scandal,” Sharif noted. Now, Pakistan has to deal with the shame of trying to meet targets set by platforms like the FATF, he said, referring to Financial Action Task Force, the global watchdog on money laundering and terror financing.

    Sharif said the country’s economy had crashed, inflation is up while the Pakistani rupee is at a historic low and economic growth had significantly fallen.

    He warned his audience that in such a situation, “when the economy is weak, the country will be unable to defend itself from external aggression.”

    Sharif demanded accountability of Khan’s own assets, the overseas assets of his sister and of those close to the prime minister who had benefited from the sugar shortage in the country.

    He said that state interference in public life in Pakistan had increased manifold. He lamented attacks on the media and the harassment of journalists. “The policy to divide and rule has been extended from politicians to the media, lawyers, industrialists and even the judiciary.”

    Sharif called for the supremacy of parliament and the sanctity of the vote.

    Earlier, while welcoming the participants to the conference, former president Asif Ali Zardari of PPP said the witch hunt being conducted by the present government against politicians should end. “They have even dragged the womenfolk of our families into these false cases,” he said.

    Bilawal Bhutto Zardari told the conference the time has come for a united opposition platform to fight the selected government of prime minister Imran Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.
    So, when are you guys returning all the stolen money?

    Just as a reminder, this money doesn't correspond to "the establishment" (who live damn well), nor is it of PTI/"Youths"/IK(who are middle class and well off).

    Likes of Nawaz and Zardari stole money of millions of Pakistani people who live BELOW poverty line.

    You have to be a very specific kind of filth to steal money of such poor people.

    Just return the stolen bread off poors of Pakistan and their upcoming generations.

    Both Zardari and Shareef have enough billions ($) to last them and their upcoming leech generations.

    Indeed, there is only Zillat for you and your den of thieves, in this world and in the next God willing.
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    The army making deals with him, yet again for the 4th time, was the only way this fraud was going to come back to power so its great seeing him bash them. It means he's lost all hope of ever regaining his previous footing in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    So, when are you guys returning all the stolen money?

    Just as a reminder, this money doesn't correspond to "the establishment" (who live damn well), nor is it of PTI/"Youths"/IK(who are middle class and well off).

    Likes of Nawaz and Zardari stole money of millions of Pakistani people who live BELOW poverty line.

    You have to be a very specific kind of filth to steal money of such poor people.

    Just return the stolen bread off poors of Pakistan and their upcoming generations.

    Both Zardari and Shareef have enough billions ($) to last them and their upcoming leech generations.

    Indeed, there is only Zillat for you and your den of thieves, in this world and in the next God willing.
    Not sure you're why you're wasting your breath on wind-ups. The person you're quoting supports PPP too, the same party who killed the person in the guy's display picture. So no point wasting your energy or time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    He's reading off a parchi there as well!

    @Bewal Express

    Did you expect anything different from the loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    The army making deals with him, yet again for the 4th time, was the only way this fraud was going to come back to power so its great seeing him bash them. It means he's lost all hope of ever regaining his previous footing in politics.
    did he really called the Army by name ? i havent seen his video clip, if so thn hes done for Good, can someone plz share the clip .....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.
    Brave and fearless are 2 words that cannot be used to describe NS. A pathetic little crook, created by the Military establishment in the 80s is a much more apt description. If he was brave and fearless, he would have served his sentence rather than fake illness to run off again.

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    Was expecting him with a nasal tube and oxygen tank next to him - seems he's on the mend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    did he really called the Army by name ? i havent seen his video clip, if so thn hes done for Good, can someone plz share the clip .....
    Our state cannot touch him in London. Allowing him to move out of country was a mistake that establishment made.

    I can see him turning into another Hussain Haqqani in few years time. He will be regularly interviewed by BBC, CNN, NY times and other such media outlets. He will be used by the enemies to spew venom against our military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Our state cannot touch him in London. Allowing him to move out of country was a mistake that establishment made.

    I can see him turning into another Hussain Haqqani in few years time. He will be regularly interviewed by BBC, CNN, NY times and other such media outlets. He will be used by the enemies to spew venom against our military.
    The guy is incapable to chorently answer any question.

    He went to London to protect his interest. Since he knows he will never return to Pakistan as a PM of Pakistan he will make little noise but will be forgotten soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Coffee View Post
    The guy is incapable to chorently answer any question.

    He went to London to protect his interest. Since he knows he will never return to Pakistan as a PM of Pakistan he will make little noise but will be forgotten soon.
    He has a big ego and he is hurt. He still has some hope left that Shareefs may regain power. Once he loses that then watch him cry. We have already witnessed dawn leaks and his nonsense regarding Mumbai attacks.

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    The multiparty conference, hosted by the PPP and attended by almost all major opposition parties in the capital on Sunday, attracted the ire of the PTI leaders and government members, who termed it an attempt to "put pressure on the government [...] for personal gains".

    The conference was held at a five-star hotel in Islamabad and was attended by leaders of PML-N, National Party (NP), Awami National Party (ANP), Qaumi Watan Party (QWP), Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP), Balochistan National Party-Mengal (BNP-M) and Jamiatul Hadees.

    The opening speech was delivered by PPP co-chairperson and former president Asif Ali Zardari, who addressed participants through video link. PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif also addressed the conference through a video link from London. The speech marked the deposed prime minister's political comeback after more than a year. He has been in the UK since November last year for medical treatment.

    'Flimsy attempt' to pressurise govt

    "APC, a flimsy attempt to put pressure on the govt to back off on accountability," said Information Minister Shibli Faraz in a tweet. "Nation has witnessed that opposition has used politics for personal gains and used parliament to protect their personal empires.

    "PM Imran Khan will never compromise his commitment [to eliminate] corruption. Hence no NRO."

    "Opposition has said that if Imran Khan [agrees to] an agreement, it will put an [end] to the APC and anti-government movement," tweeted Senator Faisal Javed.

    "According to the agreement, Al Azizia, Chaudhry Sugar Mills, Avenfield, Surrey's property and other cases were to be dropped. There is a copy of the draft [of the agreement]. Imran Khan had refused to sign it."

    Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid termed the huddle a gathering of "criminals and convicts", who were looking for a way to get rid of the cases against them, APP reported.

    'Nawaz has declared nation as enemy'

    Most ministers and PTI leaders criticised Nawaz's speech, in which he said that the opposition's struggle was not against Prime Minister Imran Khan but those who brought him into power through the 2018 elections.

    "Today, Nawaz Sharif has declared the entire nation as an enemy," tweeted Minister for Maritime Affairs Ali Zaidi. "He says that the fight is not against Imran Khan but against those who brought him to power. Mr [Imran] came to power through the votes of 17 million people, not through anyone's patronage."

    "Someone should tell Mian sahib that the public actually gave respect to the vote in the 2018 election and cast it wisely. The result was that Mian sahib not only lost power but also had to run from the country [...] Isn't this respect enough or does he want more?" asked Planning Minister Asad Umar.

    "Another flop episode of abu bachao mohim (save my father campaign)," remarked Science and Technology Minister Fawad Chaudhry. "Nawaz Sharif's speech was broadcast live — what would be a bigger example of media freedom?

    "He [Nawaz] said that the country was under dictatorship for 33 years but he did not tell [the conference] that he himself remained part of that system for 15 years and served as a puppet."

    In another tweet, Chaudhry said: "The point of Nawaz Sharif's speech is that 'as long as I am in power, everything is fine, but if the army does not play a role in bringing me to power it is unacceptable'. His only complaint against army and judiciary is that they didn't stand with him when Imran Khan and the public kicked [him] out."

    Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari also commented on Nawaz's speech, terming it "absconder rhetoric".

    "Ah, the question they will never answer!" Mazari said in response to Chaudhry's tweet. "By the way what was all the cacophony about not letting NS speech be telecast live? Perhaps those making these accusations should have courtesy to apologise at least? Absconder rhetoric from London is something we in Pakistan are used to for years!"

    Following reports that Nawaz was likely to address the conference, SAPM Shahbaz Gill had warned that “the Pakistan Electronic Media Regula*tory Authority (Pemra) and other legal options” would be used if the PML-N supremo's speech was aired by TV channels.

    The speech, however, was aired by TV channels as well as live streamed on social media platforms. Gill told Geo News that Prime Minister Imran had said that Nawaz Sharif's address should be aired so that "his lies could be exposed" to the nation.

    Gill also weighed in on the matter and said: "If Mian sahib really wants to [be] a revolutionary leader, he should come to Pakistan instead of firing smoke bullets. There was hope that Mian sahib will announce that he is returning to Pakistan along with his absconder group."

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    Apparently even some punjabis who are supporters of PML N are getting annoyed with NS constantly and blatantly targeting the army and the so called establishment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    He has a big ego and he is hurt. He still has some hope left that Shareefs may regain power. Once he loses that then watch him cry. We have already witnessed dawn leaks and his nonsense regarding Mumbai attacks.
    He can cry as much as he wants but he will not return to Pakistan to be PM of Pakistan.

    Crying is his inherited right and no one can stop him from doing it. But in my opinion, that won't hurt Pakistan. It will be highlighted in Indian media, anchors like Arnab will make noise but that's about it.

    Pakistan's establishment will not allow (meaning will not look the other way when they try to rig the elections) any of them to ever become PM of Pakistan after seeing how IK has defended and conveyed Pakistan's narrative on every international forum, the shift in Pakistan's foreign policies and above all, every single member of PPP and PML-N has become national security risk for Pakistan.

    Last election were fair and square, it does not matter who call IK selected, IK government is a reality.

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    These looters have reached rock bottom, frankly quite pathetic. Yes, the establishment needs to be reigned in under its constitutional boundaries but these vultures are not in it for that, they had no problems when making deals with the boys and making their institution even stronger.

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    NS taken to the cleaners for his lies. This needs to go viral.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    NS taken to the cleaners for his lies. This needs to go viral.

    Brilliant analysis by Imran Riaz Khan, and we all know Nawaz Sharif is not only corrupt but a traitor as well. All he cares about it his black money he made with the blood of poor common PAKISTANIS.

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    Whatever happened to these undertakings

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    Rlaely it deson’t mttaer waht I wirte you’ll sitll uanrtednsnd it

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    Mian sb is looking fit Mashallah.


    Rlaely it deson’t mttaer waht I wirte you’ll sitll uanrtednsnd it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    He was a great PM\politician imo but don't expect him to fight against military he is not cut out for that

    He isn't a leader he is a power Hungary career politician and that's just a fact no one put it another way

    When he sees an opening with military he'll pounce (remember he tried to make a deal with military just a year ago)

    But they are just lesser of two evils
    They're more competent (yes people will nitpick but if we look at first 3 years of their gov (when they had military support) things were going great and all the infrastructure was starting also the loan situation was also discussed many times)
    He was a great PM? On which planet?

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    I have to say that this is a rare occassion where Nawaz is right. I'm not excusing his antics as he too has benefitted from Establishment in the past.

    But if he is genuinely willing to take on the Establishment - and time will tell if this is the case - he should be respected for that. Nawaz is not the enemy of Pakistan - he is only a symptom - the Establishment is the real cause of our issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I have to say that this is a rare occassion where Nawaz is right. I'm not excusing his antics as he too has benefitted from Establishment in the past.

    But if he is genuinely willing to take on the Establishment - and time will tell if this is the case - he should be respected for that. Nawaz is not the enemy of Pakistan - he is only a symptom - the Establishment is the real cause of our issues.
    NS and AZ lost the election, people are sick of these crooks and they wanted the help of the establishment to rig the election and for once they didnt. Neither party has done a single thing for PK, both are full of crooks from the family businesses. PK army zindabad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I have to say that this is a rare occassion where Nawaz is right. I'm not excusing his antics as he too has benefitted from Establishment in the past.

    But if he is genuinely willing to take on the Establishment - and time will tell if this is the case - he should be respected for that. Nawaz is not the enemy of Pakistan - he is only a symptom - the Establishment is the real cause of our issues.
    Establishment did not ask NS to be corrupt.

    Just like Establisment isn't forcing IK to be corrupt.

    What is taking on Establishment? eloborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner Up View Post
    Whatever happened to these undertakings

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    The character of this 50 paisa man clear for all to see.


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    Mian Shahib was a crook, is a crook and will continue to be a crook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    He was a great PM? On which planet?
    Earth specifically Pakistan

    Energy crisis situation for the most part taken care of
    Security situation improved a ton under his watch
    CPEC started under his watch
    Tons of Infrastructure projects started under him
    Karachi security improved a lot under him
    First person in Pakistan who brought privatization into the mainstream politics in early 90s (same year when India started its privatization and we can see that they clearly benefited from it)
    Deregulated the financial sector
    For example
    Brought a policy to attract foreign investment where foreigners were allowed to make new investments without any prior approval of the government.
    Changed Lahore and its infrastructure
    Allowing multiple banks and investment banks to come into Pak market (previously not allowed to come into the market)
    Opened new (previously closed industries) to the private sector like power generation, telecommunications, airlines, shipping, road construction, and port operations
    During much of Sharif multiple tenures economy mostly grew at around 6%
    Solved the issue of water distribution between provinces
    Liberalized foreign exchange controls (resident Pakistanis, including firms and companies, were allowed to maintain foreign currency accounts in Pakistan on the same basis as non-residents.)


    Both Musharraf and Zardari didn't do any of these things...
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    Naeem Bukhari is the best person to describe Nawaz Sharif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Brave, fearless words from Nawaz Sharif.

    Indeed, we will continue to raise our voice against the Establishment and its puppets.
    A brave man would have said this while he was PM. He would have went to parliament and say the Army is a state within a state. He would have said that the Dawn Leaks were true. He would have demanded accountability such as the release of the Hamoodur Rahman Commission, as well as a report for Kargil, etc.

    Nawaz Sharif is a coward who does not have the guts to do any of this. He is no Bhutto, who wins elections from his grave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I have to say that this is a rare occassion where Nawaz is right. I'm not excusing his antics as he too has benefitted from Establishment in the past.

    But if he is genuinely willing to take on the Establishment - and time will tell if this is the case - he should be respected for that. Nawaz is not the enemy of Pakistan - he is only a symptom - the Establishment is the real cause of our issues.
    He has cut deals with establishment multiple times. Why should any one take him seriously now? He signed a charter of democracy with Benazir. He did not respect that. He and his party are taking Pakistanis for a ride. He plays the anti establishment card, while his brother plays the boot polisher card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    Earth specifically Pakistan

    Energy crisis situation for the most part taken care of
    Security situation improved a ton under his watch
    CPEC started under his watch
    Tons of Infrastructure projects started under him
    Karachi security improved a lot under him
    First person in Pakistan who brought privatization into the mainstream politics in early 90s (same year when India started its privatization and we can see that they clearly benefited from it)
    Deregulated the financial sector
    For example
    Brought a policy to attract foreign investment where foreigners were allowed to make new investments without any prior approval of the government.
    Changed Lahore and its infrastructure
    Allowing multiple banks and investment banks to come into Pak market (previously not allowed to come into the market)
    Opened new (previously closed industries) to the private sector like power generation, telecommunications, airlines, shipping, road construction, and port operations
    During much of Sharif multiple tenures economy mostly grew at around 6%
    Solved the issue of water distribution between provinces
    Liberalized foreign exchange controls (resident Pakistanis, including firms and companies, were allowed to maintain foreign currency accounts in Pakistan on the same basis as non-residents.)


    Both Musharraf and Zardari didn't do any of these things...
    Karachi operation, as well as Zarb-e-azb was done by Raheel Sharif. Mian sb had no role in that.

    As far as privatization, from 2013 to 2018, what exactly did PML N privatize?

    Also ease of Business ranking did not improve under him. So you cant give him credit for deregulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Karachi operation, as well as Zarb-e-azb was done by Raheel Sharif. Mian sb had no role in that.

    As far as privatization, from 2013 to 2018, what exactly did PML N privatize?

    Also ease of Business ranking did not improve under him. So you cant give him credit for deregulation.
    He started the Privatization in early 90's read up on it (it was an unfinished business due to opposition but his was the first mainstream party(as I also wrote in my post) to ever include privatization in its manifesto or at least ran election campaigns where they promised jobs,economic growth after privatization)
    Remember he was the one who started the whole PIA, Steel mills "privatization" thing but he couldn't pursue it because of opposition/fears of corruption
    Know I never said that under him Pakistan was ranked the highest in ease of doing buisness but I just listed ways he helped in deregulation (other PMs may have done a better in this particular aspect of their job but I just listed some of the ways he helped in this regard)
    Know if Churchill, FDR won WWII we don't say well Eisenhower, Montgomery won the war cause they were the one making strategies
    No we don't because if we pick up history books war is 80% political and 20% war,
    OK for example just go back in modern history a 100 year list me a strategist who was given credit for winning or losing a war (not battle a war)
    Rommel was a brilliant general but do we blame him or Hitler for the German loss?
    Responsibility of winning or losing a war only stops where the buck stops i.e. the figurehead the leader
    Btw all the points I made also includes the 90's that's why I mentioned "multiple terms"

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    Can anyone please explain me how does this guy still continue to have followers? One needs to be a special kind of blind to still follow him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Can anyone please explain me how does this guy still continue to have followers? One needs to be a special kind of blind to still follow him.
    PML N main support is in Central Punjab. They have done decent development work there, and they will most likely win elections from there again in 2023.

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    ISLAMABAD: Terming the opposition’s All Parties Conference (APC) a failure, Federal Minister for Railways Sheikh Rashid Ahmed on Saturday said that the former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has closed all the doors of his return to Pakistan after his address at the moot earlier in the day.

    Talking to Geo News anchor Shahzad Iqbal in ‘Naya Pakistan’ programme, Sheikh Rashid questioned the credibility of Nawaz Sharif as he spoke against the establishment despite the fact that he was brought to power by the former military ruler General Ziaul Haq, adding that the "PML-N supremo will now take political asylum in the UK".

    The PML-N supremo, in his speech at the opposition’s moot via video link from London, had lambasted the Prime Minister Imran Khan’s government over its failure to govern the country democratically.

    The root cause of problems being faced by the country was that the country had been deprived of true democracy while the Constitution also says that the opinion of people should be respected which is the real spirit of democracy, Nawaz Sharif lamented.

    “This is the principle of democracy in the world when the democracy is hit, the whole democratic system becomes meaningless,” he had said.

    Sheikh Rashid said the call of Maulana Fazlur Rehman for resignations from assemblies was muted by the APC. "The expressions on the faces of Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Shehbaz Sharif at the APC were worth watching," he remarked.

    Maintaining that military has no interest in administrative matters, the federal minister said Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa has clearly told the political leaders to arrange the Gilgit-Baltistan elections on their own as the military is not interested in such matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    He started the Privatization in early 90's read up on it (it was an unfinished business due to opposition but his was the first mainstream party(as I also wrote in my post) to ever include privatization in its manifesto or at least ran election campaigns where they promised jobs,economic growth after privatization)
    Remember he was the one who started the whole PIA, Steel mills "privatization" thing but he couldn't pursue it because of opposition/fears of corruption
    Know I never said that under him Pakistan was ranked the highest in ease of doing buisness but I just listed ways he helped in deregulation (other PMs may have done a better in this particular aspect of their job but I just listed some of the ways he helped in this regard)
    Know if Churchill, FDR won WWII we don't say well Eisenhower, Montgomery won the war cause they were the one making strategies
    No we don't because if we pick up history books war is 80% political and 20% war,
    OK for example just go back in modern history a 100 year list me a strategist who was given credit for winning or losing a war (not battle a war)
    Rommel was a brilliant general but do we blame him or Hitler for the German loss?
    Responsibility of winning or losing a war only stops where the buck stops i.e. the figurehead the leader
    Btw all the points I made also includes the 90's that's why I mentioned "multiple terms"
    He did start the privatization process, which was then continued by Musharraf, and now there is talk about Imran Khan possibly having Steel Mill and PIA privatized.

    What i like most about Nawaz Sharif/PML N was their support for the open skies policy.

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    NS has a huge hold on the khatta hai toh lagata bhi hai crowd and has given people the belief that someone who meets the standard of siruf lagata hai magar khata nahin hai can never be found whereas everyone else in comparison to him belongs to the siraf khata hai, lagata kuch bhi nahin hai crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    NS has a huge hold on the khatta hai toh lagata bhi hai crowd and has given people the belief that someone who meets the standard of siruf lagata hai magar khata nahin hai can never be found whereas everyone else in comparison to him belongs to the siraf khata hai, lagata kuch bhi nahin hai crowd
    Can you please give a little details on that phrase? I've seen quite a few users using that same phrase. What does that mean?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner Up View Post
    Whatever happened to these undertakings

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The character of this 50 paisa man clear for all to see.
    “Or as soon as I am declared healthy and fit to travel back to Pakistan by my doctors”

    Read his medical reports provided by his doctors in the UK. He has been advised against traveling for now.

    Now you will of course say that the report is fake, but why should we take the word of PTI supporters over qualified doctors in the UK.

    Notice how the PTI UK wing is quiet on the reports. They don’t have the guts to accuse the doctors of faking the reports.

    If they do so, they will be dragged and humiliated in courts on charges of defamation, and they will lose the case and a lot of money because they do not have any evidence to prove that these reports are fake.

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    Nawaz is relaxing in London and PTI supporters are burning like hot coal because of one man only - COAS Bajwa.

    His desire to desperately extend his tenure as COAS created this situation. PMLN decided to sign the Army Amendment Act in exchange for Nawaz leaving the prison and leaving for London.

    If there was no constitutional amendment and Bajwa would have retired like he should have, Nawaz would still be in jail.

    Bajwa’s subordinate Imran Khan had no say on this issue, and to save his humiliation, PTI paid stooges in the media quickly cooked up a fake story of Nawaz paying the government 12 billion dollars.

    However, that fake story flopped and fizzled out in no time.

    Facts:

    (1) Nawaz will not come back to Pakistan

    (2) Nawaz will not pay a single penny. All the promises of Imran recouping stolen wealth were a pack of lies. He cannot do jack.

    (3) COAS Bajwa’s unjustified decision to extend his tenure created this situation. If he had respected the constitution and the military institution, Nawaz would still be in jail.

    (4) PTI supporters will continue to burn like hot coal because the fact that Nawaz will not rot in prison (as Imran promised) is a tremendous source of frustration for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nawaz is relaxing in London and PTI supporters are burning like hot coal because of one man only - COAS Bajwa.

    His desire to desperately extend his tenure as COAS created this situation. PMLN decided to sign the Army Amendment Act in exchange for Nawaz leaving the prison and leaving for London.

    If there was no constitutional amendment and Bajwa would have retired like he should have, Nawaz would still be in jail.

    Bajwa’s subordinate Imran Khan had no say on this issue, and to save his humiliation, PTI paid stooges in the media quickly cooked up a fake story of Nawaz paying the government 12 billion dollars.

    However, that fake story flopped and fizzled out in no time.

    Facts:

    (1) Nawaz will not come back to Pakistan

    (2) Nawaz will not pay a single penny. All the promises of Imran recouping stolen wealth were a pack of lies. He cannot do jack.

    (3) COAS Bajwa’s unjustified decision to extend his tenure created this situation. If he had respected the constitution and the military institution, Nawaz would still be in jail.

    (4) PTI supporters will continue to burn like hot coal because the fact that Nawaz will not rot in prison (as Imran promised) is a tremendous source of frustration for them.
    By the response the only people seem to be burning and crying are anti-Imran Khan. It doesn't matter anymore, we have moved on and leeches and crooks like NS, AZ are never coming back to politics. They are history so you folks can weep all you want. As someone rightly mentioned in a few years time all these crooked parties will be left with only a Youtube channel sharing their political viewpoints which will get a few thousand views....including one view and thumbs up like from you.

    Must say now you are all out supporting crooks like NS, even with his fake health drama. Your political stance and viewpoint flip flops more than a burger patty at McDonalds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriketer View Post
    By the response the only people seem to be burning and crying are anti-Imran Khan. It doesn't matter anymore, we have moved on and leeches and crooks like NS, AZ are never coming back to politics. They are history so you folks can weep all you want. As someone rightly mentioned in a few years time all these crooked parties will be left with only a Youtube channel sharing their political viewpoints which will get a few thousand views....including one view and thumbs up like from you.

    Must say now you are all out supporting crooks like NS, even with his fake health drama. Your political stance and viewpoint flip flops more than a burger patty at McDonalds.
    No, the only people burning are Imran worshipers.

    Imran let you down by failing to fulfill his two major promises: (1) he failed to keep Nawaz, Zardari etc. in jail (2) he failed to recover a single penny of the looted wealth that he would drum about.

    When Nawaz was jailed, PTI supporters were doing bhangra because they thought Nawaz would die and rot in prison.

    They never expected this unforeseen turn of events and this twist. Never in their wildest dreams did they imagine that Nawaz would walk out of jail in a matter of few months and live comfortably in London while Imran will not be able to do anything about.

    Now to cover their humiliation and shame, PTI supporters are pretending that they are not hurt by this unexpected twist.

    Furthermore, you and others are delusional if you think that PMLN and PPP will be reduced to YouTube channels in the future.

    It is actually the other way around - PTI will be reduced to a puff of dust after Imran is gone, while PMLN and PPP will remain relevant because of family politics.

    PTI supporters criticize family politics, but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics. The descendants of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties long after the current generation is dead.

    On the other hand, PTI is only relevant as long as Imran is alive. PTI is a fake, disjointed party with no long-term sustainability. You have a delusional leader at the top and an assortment of opportunist politicians at the bottom who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their political careers.

    Once Imran is gone, PTI will disintegrate into factions and these opportunist politicians will be absorbed back by the same parties that they deserted.

    Imran is the glue that is stopping PTI from crumbling. 20-30 years from now, PTI will be history while PMLN and PPP will still be forming federal governments.

    Also, people like you will be the first one to desert PTI once Imran is gone.

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    Altaf Hussain2 in the making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    Earth specifically Pakistan

    Energy crisis situation for the most part taken care of
    Security situation improved a ton under his watch
    CPEC started under his watch
    Tons of Infrastructure projects started under him
    Karachi security improved a lot under him
    First person in Pakistan who brought privatization into the mainstream politics in early 90s (same year when India started its privatization and we can see that they clearly benefited from it)
    Deregulated the financial sector
    For example
    Brought a policy to attract foreign investment where foreigners were allowed to make new investments without any prior approval of the government.
    Changed Lahore and its infrastructure
    Allowing multiple banks and investment banks to come into Pak market (previously not allowed to come into the market)
    Opened new (previously closed industries) to the private sector like power generation, telecommunications, airlines, shipping, road construction, and port operations
    During much of Sharif multiple tenures economy mostly grew at around 6%
    Solved the issue of water distribution between provinces
    Liberalized foreign exchange controls (resident Pakistanis, including firms and companies, were allowed to maintain foreign currency accounts in Pakistan on the same basis as non-residents.)


    Both Musharraf and Zardari didn't do any of these things...
    Energy was left a mess, short term projects were started at great cost to benefit friends and family. On average the cost of a unit was 3 times higher than what IK has negotiate, why is that. The amount paid to IPPs could have built the dams we have started under IK. The excessive cost of electricity led to massive job losses in the textile sector. He never fixed the line losses, so producing extra electricity without fixing lines is just stupid.
    CPEC started under Mush, and it would have continued under whoever was PM. Tons of infrastructure started but the reality is that only lasting legacy is the Motorways.
    Karachi had nothing to do with him, the army cracked down as it was national security threat.
    LHC has had 60% of the Punjab budget and as we have seen its the PTI that is sorting things like standing water and sewage. They spent 1.5bn borrowed Dollars on a metro that will need billions in subsidy every year forever.
    The privatisation was going to happen under any govt as the move to liberalisation was world wide phenomenon.
    The 6% is fake and the economy was built on borrowed money and imports. What happened to PSM or PIA under the duffer, what single institution in PK did he improve or intended to improve.
    NS was a terrible PM, he had no clue what he was doing and he left the country bankrupt. IK is borrowing money to pay off loans NS and AZ took.

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    Criticism on state institutions during APC an attempt to appease Indian lobby: PM Imran Khan

    Hitting back at the multi-party conference hosted by opposition parties on Sunday, Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said that the statements against the government and state institutions were an attempt to appease the Indian lobby, sources told Geo News.

    In a meeting chaired by the prime minister on Monday, which was attended by party representatives and spokespersons, PM Imran guided attendees on the government's policy in response to the opposition's criticism at the All Parties Conference (APC).

    “No one is bothered by the APC's decision. The nation is aware of the faces [that were] sitting in the APC and their personal goals,” sources quoted PM Imran as saying. The premier, sources added, asked government ministers and PTI members to respond "with reason and logic" to the opposition's criticism.

    PM Imran was quoted as saying that “in a democracy, all institutions work under the government” and that the opposition’s criticism was “pointless and an attempt to divert attention from their corruption”.

    The government, during the meeting, decided to speak on the APC's demands and has tasked federal ministers Shibli Faraz, Asad Umar and Fawad Chaudhry to counter the opposition's narrative presented at the conference.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/309137-cri...lobby-pm-imran


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    Earth specifically Pakistan

    Energy crisis situation for the most part taken care of
    Security situation improved a ton under his watch
    CPEC started under his watch
    Tons of Infrastructure projects started under him
    Karachi security improved a lot under him
    First person in Pakistan who brought privatization into the mainstream politics in early 90s (same year when India started its privatization and we can see that they clearly benefited from it)
    Deregulated the financial sector
    For example
    Brought a policy to attract foreign investment where foreigners were allowed to make new investments without any prior approval of the government.
    Changed Lahore and its infrastructure
    Allowing multiple banks and investment banks to come into Pak market (previously not allowed to come into the market)
    Opened new (previously closed industries) to the private sector like power generation, telecommunications, airlines, shipping, road construction, and port operations
    During much of Sharif multiple tenures economy mostly grew at around 6%
    Solved the issue of water distribution between provinces
    Liberalized foreign exchange controls (resident Pakistanis, including firms and companies, were allowed to maintain foreign currency accounts in Pakistan on the same basis as non-residents.)


    Both Musharraf and Zardari didn't do any of these things...
    Regarding improving energy crisis, there is a briliant analysis by Imran Ryaz Khan. Please take some time to see the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Can you please give a little details on that phrase? I've seen quite a few users using that same phrase. What does that mean?
    That he steals but he also spends money on development

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    That he steals but he also spends money on development
    So according to those people, he has the liberty to steal because he also spends money on development works? Is this a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    So according to those people, he has the liberty to steal because he also spends money on development works? Is this a joke!
    Nope. They think that all politicians are thieves, so they view it in a practical manner. That even if he steals he at least spends some money. And thats better than other politicians will only steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, the only people burning are Imran worshipers.

    Imran let you down by failing to fulfill his two major promises: (1) he failed to keep Nawaz, Zardari etc. in jail (2) he failed to recover a single penny of the looted wealth that he would drum about.

    When Nawaz was jailed, PTI supporters were doing bhangra because they thought Nawaz would die and rot in prison.

    They never expected this unforeseen turn of events and this twist. Never in their wildest dreams did they imagine that Nawaz would walk out of jail in a matter of few months and live comfortably in London while Imran will not be able to do anything about.

    Now to cover their humiliation and shame, PTI supporters are pretending that they are not hurt by this unexpected twist.

    Furthermore, you and others are delusional if you think that PMLN and PPP will be reduced to YouTube channels in the future.

    It is actually the other way around - PTI will be reduced to a puff of dust after Imran is gone, while PMLN and PPP will remain relevant because of family politics.

    PTI supporters criticize family politics, but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics. The descendants of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties long after the current generation is dead.

    On the other hand, PTI is only relevant as long as Imran is alive. PTI is a fake, disjointed party with no long-term sustainability. You have a delusional leader at the top and an assortment of opportunist politicians at the bottom who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their political careers.

    Once Imran is gone, PTI will disintegrate into factions and these opportunist politicians will be absorbed back by the same parties that they deserted.

    Imran is the glue that is stopping PTI from crumbling. 20-30 years from now, PTI will be history while PMLN and PPP will still be forming federal governments.

    Also, people like you will be the first one to desert PTI once Imran is gone.
    Didn't you on the behest of your mother bring IK to power by voting for him? Mian sb. has declared war against u my friend


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Nope. They think that all politicians are thieves, so they view it in a practical manner. That even if he steals he at least spends some money. And thats better than other politicians will only steal.
    I don’t think Imran Khan is perceived as a thief by Pakistani people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    I don’t think Imran Khan is perceived as a thief by Pakistani people?
    No hes not, what he meant like other politicians Zardari etc .....


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    People happy that a criminal is free are the ones who need to hang their heads in shame - but unfortunately for that to happen, you need to have shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, the only people burning are Imran worshipers.

    Imran let you down by failing to fulfill his two major promises: (1) he failed to keep Nawaz, Zardari etc. in jail (2) he failed to recover a single penny of the looted wealth that he would drum about.

    When Nawaz was jailed, PTI supporters were doing bhangra because they thought Nawaz would die and rot in prison.

    They never expected this unforeseen turn of events and this twist. Never in their wildest dreams did they imagine that Nawaz would walk out of jail in a matter of few months and live comfortably in London while Imran will not be able to do anything about.

    Now to cover their humiliation and shame, PTI supporters are pretending that they are not hurt by this unexpected twist.

    Furthermore, you and others are delusional if you think that PMLN and PPP will be reduced to YouTube channels in the future.

    It is actually the other way around - PTI will be reduced to a puff of dust after Imran is gone, while PMLN and PPP will remain relevant because of family politics.

    PTI supporters criticize family politics, but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics. The descendants of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties long after the current generation is dead.

    On the other hand, PTI is only relevant as long as Imran is alive. PTI is a fake, disjointed party with no long-term sustainability. You have a delusional leader at the top and an assortment of opportunist politicians at the bottom who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their political careers.

    Once Imran is gone, PTI will disintegrate into factions and these opportunist politicians will be absorbed back by the same parties that they deserted.

    Imran is the glue that is stopping PTI from crumbling. 20-30 years from now, PTI will be history while PMLN and PPP will still be forming federal governments.

    Also, people like you will be the first one to desert PTI once Imran is gone.
    You were on here telling us that IK wanted to kill NS, you started to get excited when Geo and the corrupt media ran a paid campaign and Minullah asked IK to guarantee he lives for 3 days. You as a total numpty called LHC as independent and free for allowing NS to go abroad without a bond of 7bn, and then a few weeks later you called the LHC a tool. So which is it? Free and independent or a tool. Talk about a confused mind. 🤔
    Your ghulami and lack of self respect shows in your desire to worship 2 crooked families. Billo and the PPP are finished and no matter how many relaunches take place every week, there is no way back. His corruption and total ineptitude in Karachi and Sindh is not going to be forgotten or forgiven. As far as your crooked family favourites are concerned, yesterdays speech is a death knelt for their politics. No way can the army ever trust such traitors again. Would you trust Maryam with state secrets?
    As far as the PTI is concerned, as its not a family business, it may or may not disappear but its set the agenda for PK and even if by some miracle Nani comes to power, looting with both hands will be very difficult. So IK has won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    You were on here telling us that IK wanted to kill NS, you started to get excited when Geo and the corrupt media ran a paid campaign and Minullah asked IK to guarantee he lives for 3 days. You as a total numpty called LHC as independent and free for allowing NS to go abroad without a bond of 7bn, and then a few weeks later you called the LHC a tool. So which is it? Free and independent or a tool. Talk about a confused mind. ��
    Your ghulami and lack of self respect shows in your desire to worship 2 crooked families. Billo and the PPP are finished and no matter how many relaunches take place every week, there is no way back. His corruption and total ineptitude in Karachi and Sindh is not going to be forgotten or forgiven. As far as your crooked family favourites are concerned, yesterdays speech is a death knelt for their politics. No way can the army ever trust such traitors again. Would you trust Maryam with state secrets?
    As far as the PTI is concerned, as its not a family business, it may or may not disappear but its set the agenda for PK and even if by some miracle Nani comes to power, looting with both hands will be very difficult. So IK has won.
    He is not confused, neither is he a tool, he is deepdown extremely attention seeking and badniyat to the core. People should learn to realize when to ignore (in 99% of the cases) and when to read that one decent post he might come up with

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    Nawaz complaining no democratic leader is allowed to finish his term by the establishment.

    The same guy who:

    -overthrew elected government FIVE TIMES
    -openly colluded with the establishment to overthrow atleast 2 of those 5 governments
    -gave Zardari the moniker 10% and now is sitting with him
    -says courts don't investigate Bajwa.....well Saanp, courts didnt investigate you either. Imran Khan had to force the nation to a standstill just to have your case heard in the court. Why don't you try the same thing?

    Absolute joke of a man, anyone who follows him needs to have their head checked.

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    So will he go back to Pakistan and face the music or just stay in England?



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    So he wants to fight the people of Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I have to say that this is a rare occassion where Nawaz is right. I'm not excusing his antics as he too has benefitted from Establishment in the past.

    But if he is genuinely willing to take on the Establishment - and time will tell if this is the case - he should be respected for that. Nawaz is not the enemy of Pakistan - he is only a symptom - the Establishment is the real cause of our issues.
    He made a deal with this so called establishment literally last year or so when he escaped to UK with his tail between his legs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    So will he go back to Pakistan and face the music or just stay in England?
    He will replace Altaf Hussain as the new Peoples leader from lundun.

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    All this topi drama struggle is to keep looted money in their possession.

    Deep down Shareefs, Zardaris/Bhuttos, Mullahs and other thieves know that they are gonna have to give back the looted money. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to keep their next generation rich.

    Of course, they are disguising the whole thing as some sorta noble fight against the eStAbLiShMeNt

    To quote Puff Daddy: "it's all about Benjamins baby".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Nawaz complaining no democratic leader is allowed to finish his term by the establishment.

    The same guy who:

    -overthrew elected government FIVE TIMES
    -openly colluded with the establishment to overthrow atleast 2 of those 5 governments
    -gave Zardari the moniker 10% and now is sitting with him
    -says courts don't investigate Bajwa.....well Saanp, courts didnt investigate you either. Imran Khan had to force the nation to a standstill just to have your case heard in the court. Why don't you try the same thing?

    Absolute joke of a man, anyone who follows him needs to have their head checked.
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    ISLAMABAD: Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa and head of the Inter-Services Int*elligence Lt Gen Faiz Hameed had in a meeting with key opposition figures days before their multiparty conference cou*n*selled them to refrain from dragging the military into political issues, government ministers and opposition leaders disclosed on Monday.

    The September 16 meeting was attended by about 15 opposition figures including Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shah*baz Sharif, Pakistan Peoples Party chairman Bil*a*wal Bhutto-Zardari, Jamaat-i-Islami emir Sirajul Haq, ANP’s Amir Haider Hoti, JUI-F’s Asad Mahmood, PML-N leaders Khawaja Asif and Ahsan Iqbal, PPP’s Senator Sherry Rehman and few government ministers.

    According to the ground rules set for the session, the meeting was not to be publicly disclosed, some of the opposition leaders, who attended it, said.

    Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid, while confirming the meeting and its participants in a conversation with Dawn, said it was held to discuss the impending changes in the constitutional status of Gilgit-Baltistan. However, the opposition used this opportunity to flag its concerns about other matters, especially the military’s alleged interference in politics and allegations of persecution of its leaders on the pretext of accountability.

    Mr Rashid was one of the ministers who attended the meeting.

    The timing of the meeting and its disclosure was linked by the onlookers to the opposition’s multiparty conference held here on Sunday in which former prime minister Mian Nawaz Sharif bitterly criticised the army, saying there was “a state above the state in the country”.

    Criticism by other opposition leaders was, in comparison to Mr Sharif’s remarks, relatively subtle. A 26-point declaration issued at the end of the meeting, however, contained assertions about ending “establishment’s interference in politics” and “no role of armed forces and intelligence agencies” in future elections.

    Mr Rashid said the army chief clearly told the participants of the meeting that the Army was not in any manner linked to the political processes and had no involvement in matters concerning election reforms and accountability.

    The army chief, however, said the military only responds to calls for assistance by the elected civilian government and it would continue doing so irrespective of who is in office.

    Gen Bajwa reportedly categorically conveyed that no one would be allowed to create chaos in the country.

    In remarks addressed to JUI-F chief Fazlur Rehman’s son Asad Mahmood, Gen Bajwa, Mr Rashid said, it’s an irony that the same parliament is kosher for Mr Rehman for contesting presidential elections, but it is otherwise unacceptable to him.

    The allegations of a political witch hunt in the name of accountability was raised by PML-N’s Ahsan Iqbal.

    Responding to him, the army chief said that NAB chief and election commissioner were picked up by political leaders represented in parliament, therefore they needed to be careful in choosing people for such important positions.

    A participant, speaking on condition of anonymity said, NAB’s actions had scared the bureaucracy, which is the reason why officials are not taking crucial decisions. Gen Bajwa too had purportedly pointed out that bureaucracy was not delivering.

    PML-N remained mum about the participation of its leaders in the meeting.

    PPP said it would issue a formal comment on the meeting on Tuesday through its spokesperson Senator Farhatullah Babar. However, Senator Sherry Rehman, participating in a TV talk show, said her party’s chairman talked about the status of Gilgit-Baltistan and its upcoming elections. She said Mr Bhutto-Zardari stressed on the need for fair and free elections in GB, because of the sensitivities attached to the region.

    Senator Rehman denied her party took up its reservations about the accountability process.

    On Monday, Gen Bajwa met Prime Minister Imran Khan. However, the Prime Minister Office did not issue any media statement on the meeting.
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