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    Will the PDM be able to topple the Imran Khan regime?

    Seems to have started off with a lot of fanfare - events in Gujranwalla and Karachi.

    Conflicting accounts of how successful they have been but seems to have some sort of momentum.

    So can they topple Imran's govt?


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    Can't topple the govt, they are trying to create pressure and instability for NRO, concessions from the govt and army. Not going to happen and should not happen. IK should intensify the accountability efforts and extradition of NS from the UK to Pakistan. He should also up his security as this mafia is capable of anything to protect their loot.

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    Surely not after “Bajwa saab, aap ne...”

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    There is absolutely zero chance. This band of bandits will die a slow death.

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    Nawaz is a bully at best while most of the people in that party are half-wits. Their tried and tested strategy of "buy or destroy" (khareed lo ya ragaid do) has mostly worked in Punjab and due to a slightly less diverse voter base, his people controlling tactics haven't evolved. Add to that, the rhetoric this party is trying to pull off is that the army secretly rules Pakistan and the public should stand up and stop this. I mean seriously... This same country has been openly ruled by dictators and no one in the common public really cared then so why would they care now if there is a "State above the State". Like it or not, the Pakistani public is used to Generals and they don't mind it that much.

    Fazalu is a weakness for everyone right now because while others can rent a crowd, Fazalu can fill up the trenches in tough times. His "good Islamist jihadis" are the flavor of the month for the dissenters but everyone also knows that not only he is dangerous, he's also not to be trusted because of his hardline status. Also, no one is sure how much power will satisfy his power lust; will it be another Kashmir committee? or a province? or the premiership of the country? All dangerous unknowns.

    The racists are just there for soft power and further blackmail potential. Once the bigger cogs start working, these tiny cogs will function too, but without the real inertia, these entities aren't that useful on their own.

    The survival of this coalition and the success of this movement in oppositions favor, however, depends on one and only one person. The real brainiac and that genius is none other than Zardari. He has been the true head of the real establishment in our country, and as a master craftsman, he's busy at work in silence. The way he manages to arm-twist people into doing his bidding is a work of art and there should be books written about him.

    On the other hand of the equation is PTI which even at the best of times works like a headless chicken where the right hand isn't often aware of what the left hand is holding. While IK has struggled for decades, most of the party that is now hasn't seen that struggle and do not possess the mental strength to see through tough times. The party in retrospect also carries the burden of history and the legacy of positive change; people who raised the slogan of change have suffered severe consequences, and whether the party is willing to pay that cost, is a great unknown. With so many opportunists and bandwagoners within rank, this question if it comes up, won't have a simple easy answer.

    PTI on its own is also not a match for the intellectual manipulation that Zardari can conjure. It can handle Nawaz, Fazalu, et. al. but Zardaari is a different game altogether. He has already managed to shift the entire focus and media attention from corruption cases to non-events like shouting slogans at a tomb. While you can argue with the symbolism hidden in the hideous vile gesture of the son in law, the incident itself didn't deserve to remain in the limelight for this long and the worst part is, the shadows of this even will linger longer and reach farther than they ever should have. With the memory of Pakistanis fickle, the corruption cases need to remain top headlines at all times and them getting pushed away from the media screen is already a win for the opposition. The way PTI got manipulated in the son in law arrest case shows how chasing a really small victory can create avenues that may lead to humiliating narrative defeats and loss of credibility in the long run.

    For PTI to remain in power, it's a game of very fine margins where they have to divide and conquer and not panic and continue to remain open to options and compromises. They are literally hanging to power by a few threads, namely MQM, the Chaudary's from Gujrat, and the Pindi boys so balancing them all at the same time won't be easy and will require brainpower (more badaams for the thinker within the party, please). They should either accept that they will lose battles to win this war or go ahead full-throttle on a prayer and a wing and hope that the odds continue to favor them through sheer luck.

    PTI must also ensure that the opposition is unable to gain momentum and not fall for the baits that are being given and will be given to them on the way. The opposition is going to dangle the carrot, they are looking for a political "martyr" or a Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" kinda moment to get the public really involved in this struggle.

    The whole situation in my viewpoint could end up being a storm in a teacup, or a really miserable and drawn-out struggle for both sides with no respectable exits for the parties involved - a t10 on a flat deck or a timeless test match on a raging bunsen.

    Either way, it's going to be some interesting times ahead.


    Azaadi. InshAllah.

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    Zardari is a master tactician who knows how to remain calm under pressure and think, act dispassionately. NS in comparison does not have the same quality.
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    Nope but Imran Khan needs to go all out and destroy them, scorched earth policy is the only way to deal with this.

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    I read a PPP leader has joined PTI according to Klasera

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    I'm reading the current IG was the same person who was removed during the Omni group investigation (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I'm reading the current IG was the same person who was removed during the Omni group investigation (?)
    The current IG Sindh apparently was used by Zardari to intimidate, threaten witnesses in the fake bank accounts case. Everything in Sindh under PPP has gone to the dogs

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    Where are they getting the funds to organize such events from?

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    Regime might not be the best word to describe a democratically elected government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Regime might not be the best word to describe a democratically elected government.
    You’re right and that’s probably why the OP referred to it as a regime

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    ISLAMABAD: Minister for Communications and Postal Services Murad Saeed on Sunday said that the Opposition parties’ "nexus with the anti-Pakistan lobby" was advancing India’s "greater game plan" to destabilise the country.

    “The [Opposition] has been meeting with anti-Pakistan lobbyists, comprising Israelis and Indians, under their greater game plan, on a two-point agenda," Saeed claimed, while addressing a press conference.

    The Opposition wants an NRO (concession) to protect their ill-gotten money, while external powers want to destabilise Pakistan through different tactics, the federal minister said.

    Read more: 'No one above the state', says Shibli Faraz as PDM's anti-govt campaign gains pace

    To back his claims, Saeed played video statements of Opposition parties’ leadership and Indian establishment officials.

    “Have you met Indian lobbyists?” the minister asked, repeating a question he put before the Opposition parties in his news conference last Sunday.

    You have seen that their leadership has advanced the same agenda by raising the slogan of ‘Independent Balochistan'

    Explaining the two-point agenda under the "greater game plan", he accused the Opposition parties of "agreeing with the Indo-Israel establishments to target Pakistan’s judicial and security institutions" in exchange for projecting PML-N’s absconding leader Nawaz Sharif as a "champion of democracy" in the country, besides protecting their financial corruption.

    Saeed said that he had "exposed the Opposition’s sinister designs before the Pakistan Democratic Movement's public meeting in Balochistan".

    Read more: PML-N vice-president Maryam Nawaz launches Sher Jawan campaign

    "You have seen that their leadership has advanced the same agenda by raising the slogan of ‘Independent Balochistan’ there," he said.

    The federal minister said that the PDM rally in Balochistan raised questions, including whether the slogan was in pursuance of the greater game plan and why the PDM leadership did not deny the demand.

    Source GEO


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    ISLAMABAD: Minister for Communications and Postal Services Murad Saeed on Sunday said that the Opposition parties’ "nexus with the anti-Pakistan lobby" was advancing India’s "greater game plan" to destabilise the country.

    “The [Opposition] has been meeting with anti-Pakistan lobbyists, comprising Israelis and Indians, under their greater game plan, on a two-point agenda," Saeed claimed, while addressing a press conference.

    The Opposition wants an NRO (concession) to protect their ill-gotten money, while external powers want to destabilise Pakistan through different tactics, the federal minister said.

    Read more: 'No one above the state', says Shibli Faraz as PDM's anti-govt campaign gains pace

    To back his claims, Saeed played video statements of Opposition parties’ leadership and Indian establishment officials.

    “Have you met Indian lobbyists?” the minister asked, repeating a question he put before the Opposition parties in his news conference last Sunday.

    You have seen that their leadership has advanced the same agenda by raising the slogan of ‘Independent Balochistan'

    Explaining the two-point agenda under the "greater game plan", he accused the Opposition parties of "agreeing with the Indo-Israel establishments to target Pakistan’s judicial and security institutions" in exchange for projecting PML-N’s absconding leader Nawaz Sharif as a "champion of democracy" in the country, besides protecting their financial corruption.

    Saeed said that he had "exposed the Opposition’s sinister designs before the Pakistan Democratic Movement's public meeting in Balochistan".

    Read more: PML-N vice-president Maryam Nawaz launches Sher Jawan campaign

    "You have seen that their leadership has advanced the same agenda by raising the slogan of ‘Independent Balochistan’ there," he said.

    The federal minister said that the PDM rally in Balochistan raised questions, including whether the slogan was in pursuance of the greater game plan and why the PDM leadership did not deny the demand.

    Source GEO
    @Mamoon- did i read right?

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    The army does not want disruption. Pti will stay and should stay. Let them finish 5 years .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    @Mamoon- did i read right?
    Halal

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Halal
    When the Nooras do it, its always halal!

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    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan, it seems, is not willing to back down from the Opposition parties and their calls for him to step down.

    Sources told Geo News how the prime minister told government spokespersons to "play on the front foot (aggressively) against the Opposition" in a meeting he chaired on Wednesday.

    "The Opposition has come out openly in its anti-state [narrative]," said the prime minister, according to sources, advising government spokespersons to render any tactic by the Opposition ineffective.

    The prime minister reportedly said that the masses had become aware of the Opposition's objectives, lamenting that they had even resorted to politics of issues of national interest.

    He said that the recent Gallup Pakistan survey had revealed how the PTI was more popular than the PML-N and the PPP, saying that the ruling party will win the Gilgit-Baltistan elections.

    "Give priority to the government's narrative, face the Opposition on every forum," said PM Imran Khan to participants of the meeting.

    Sources further told Geo News that the prime minister reportedly said that the improving economic situation was worrying for the country's Opposition. He vowed that prices of sugar and wheat will come down in a few days.

    The upcoming Gilgit Baltistan Elections will be a very close contest between PTI and PPP, revealed two surveys conducted by Gallup Pakistan and Pulse Consultant, putting the ruling party ahead of PPP, whereas, PML-N was placed at the third position.

    According to a report published in The News, the surveys unveiled PM Imran Khan as the most popular leader in GB followed by Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. Around 30% of voters believe elections will be transparent and free of rigging.

    When asked about which political party they would vote for on 15th Nov (the Election Day), the 27% of Gallup respondents said they would vote for PTI, 24% said PPP, and 14% said PML-N.

    On the other hand, 35% of Pulse Consultant respondents said they would vote for PTI, 26% said PPP and 14% said PML-N. Gallup survey shows there is a gap of only 3% between the PTI and PPP as the first choice of voters. However, in the Pulse survey, the gap between the two leading parties is 9% but the trend is the same – PTI is the first choice, PPP second and PML-N third.

    However, most of the results would depend on the electoral dynamics of the Election Day and the voters turn out as who is able to assist their voters to come out and vote for them

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/318056-pla...epresentatives


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    In cricketing sense, Ik is WIs of 80s and PMD is like Estonia, the lowest ranking associate team.


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    Minister for Human Rights Shireen Mazari on Wednesday said the government had "information" that the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) — an alliance of 11 opposition parties — was receiving foreign funds.

    In an exclusive interview with DawnNewsTV, which will be broadcast on Sunday, Mazari said "a lot of foreign funding is being received" by people who are involved in the PDM.

    However, the minister stopped short of saying the government had evidence to back up the claim.

    "If we get the evidence [...] but when we receive hardcore evidence, then it will become the responsibility of the government to take action," she said, adding "let's see how things unfold."

    Elaborating on the claim, Mazari said it had come to her knowledge that that evidence was now surfacing regarding funding for the opposition alliance from abroad.

    "[I have] heard that a lot of evidence has been found that funding, encouragement is being sent. You know Pakistan has dissident groups abroad. Every country has them, dissident groups from Pakistan are also abroad, the way they are living, after all they are receiving money from somewhere."

    'Resignation drama'
    Responding to another question, the minister said the government was waiting for opposition members in the Parliament to submit their resignations, terming it a "drama".

    "If they want to resign, they should hand [their resignation letters] to the speaker [of the National Assembly] instead of party leaders," she said.

    A day earlier, PDM President Maulana Fazlur Rehman announced that after a meeting in Islamabad it had been decided that all opposition lawmakers will submit their resignations to their respective party heads by December 31.

    The announcement came days before the opposition is due to hold its next rally in Lahore on Dec 13 as part of its campaign to oust the government. Opposition leaders have said they will organise the rally despite the government warning of legal action citing the risk of the spread of the coronavirus.

    The PDM chief said former premier Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari also participated in the meeting during which all the participants expressed the commitment towards holding the next rally in Lahore on December 13.

    Responding to reports about Prime Minister Imran Khan calling for a national dialogue, Rehman said the PDM had rejected his offer. "He is not worthy of dialogue."

    He said that the decisions were taken "unanimously", adding that the opposition will not disappoint the people of the country. "The Lahore rally will be historic and it will be the final nail [in the coffin] for the government."

    Dawn.


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    So can this movement topple Imran Khan's government?


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    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday took on the anti-government campaign — the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) — saying the "infighting" Opposition coalition already "died on its own".

    Speaking to government officials and his party's representatives here in Islamabad, PM Imran Khan said those who were talking about submitting their resignations were now themselves running away from the same. "The PDM itself is marred by infighting and the Opposition [parties] are avoiding accountability," he added.

    PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman should give an account of his money and properties, the premier said, challenging the religious leader and president of the JUI-F to present himself for accountability.

    Participants of the meeting said that PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz had tarnished the image of all the Opposition parties that are part of the PDM coalition. Just today, two members of the National Assembly resigned before vanishing, they noted.

    PM Imran Khan reiterated that the Opposition's claim about rigging was false and that had they been serious about electoral reforms, they would not have opposed the government's initiative of open voting in the Senate.

    The PPP and the PML-N were also deviating pointblank from the Charter of Democracy's Article 23, which called for holding Senate elections through open voting, he observed.

    The prime minister advised his advisers, special assistants, and other government officials to unmask the Opposition's "dual policy" on electoral reforms and apprise the nation of their malicious behaviour.

    Stressing on the need for action to be taken against the land mafia, PM Imran Khan noted that there were "major land-grabbing mafias" in the PML-N itself.


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    Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman has called the next party meeting on January 1 in Lahore.

    Sources say the anti-government Opposition will meet at the residence of PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz in Raiwind.

    The meeting is scheduled for 1pm.

    PDM has demanded the resignation of Prime Minister Imran Khan till January 31 and in case of no resignation, it has announced a long march.

    Sources said that the meeting will consider the future strategy of the PDM, resignations of lawmakers and the issue of the long march.

    PDM in Larkana on Benazir's death anniversary

    Various political leaders of PDM addressed crowds gathered on Sunday at Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in Larkana to commemorate the 13th death anniversary of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

    The 11-party Opposition alliance has once more asked Prime Minister Imran Khan "to step down" or face the movement's long march to Islamabad with the aim to "dethrone him".

    PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said that if by January 31, the premier does not resign, the jiyalas (party loyalists) will march down to the capital and "drag him off his seat".


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    Unless the army steps in, PDM cant do anything

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    On what basis are they asking for resignation? Both the previous PM’s were booted due to corruption. Imran is not corrupt so what is the basis? Is it to challenge democracy? Because that’s what it looks like to me. So called Pakistan Democratic Movement is formed to do something so undemocratic. Anyone sees this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    Unless the army steps in, PDM cant do anything
    The army know that Kaptaan isn't anything like they have seen. It would have to be the Generals that have to go, not IK. Maryam and the mafia have already warned the army that Kaptaan will target them after he has finished with . Whats the message from Maryam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The army know that Kaptaan isn't anything like they have seen. It would have to be the Generals that have to go, not IK. Maryam and the mafia have already warned the army that Kaptaan will target them after he has finished with . Whats the message from Maryam?
    Yup pretty much. The army at this points knows they have two options:

    PTI
    PDM

    From PDM, Nawaz and PMLN have crossed all red lines so there is no comeback for them. PPP has made back door deals but they're very limited to Sindh hence not an option. PTI has good relations and even if not have mass public backing. Which is why the Army has sat down and taken it on the chin day in day out. If they had more options I am sure they'd meddle more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Yup pretty much. The army at this points knows they have two options:

    PTI
    PDM

    From PDM, Nawaz and PMLN have crossed all red lines so there is no comeback for them. PPP has made back door deals but they're very limited to Sindh hence not an option. PTI has good relations and even if not have mass public backing. Which is why the Army has sat down and taken it on the chin day in day out. If they had more options I am sure they'd meddle more.
    No. Pak army/"establishment" are as stoic as they can get. They are at a position where they don't need to meddle. IK will annihilate all PDM without breaking any law.

    PDM / neo-nationalists / foreign backed politicians, lobbyists, "human right activists", mullahs, anchors etc. all have barked insults to Pak army expecting reactions, some have even publicly requested USA/India to invade Pakistan... yet there is 0 reaction from army.
    It is the way to go. All these people are gonna get got by NAB sooner or later anyways, so why should army meddle and dirty their hands in internal politics' name calling?

    Man, if IK gets the ability to pass laws in senate elections then expect PDM and all these thieves to be in jails or in London by end of 2021. Fingers crossed.

    By next elections, it's gonna be only PTI and PPP left standing in the ring. All others will either flee or will be irrelevant. I think we might have underestimated Bilawal BZ.

    10 years from now when IK leaves political scene... Bilawal might become the new PM...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    No. Pak army/"establishment" are as stoic as they can get. They are at a position where they don't need to meddle. IK will annihilate all PDM without breaking any law.

    PDM / neo-nationalists / foreign backed politicians, lobbyists, "human right activists", mullahs, anchors etc. all have barked insults to Pak army expecting reactions, some have even publicly requested USA/India to invade Pakistan... yet there is 0 reaction from army.
    It is the way to go. All these people are gonna get got by NAB sooner or later anyways, so why should army meddle and dirty their hands in internal politics' name calling?

    Man, if IK gets the ability to pass laws in senate elections then expect PDM and all these thieves to be in jails or in London by end of 2021. Fingers crossed.

    By next elections, it's gonna be only PTI and PPP left standing in the ring. All others will either flee or will be irrelevant. I think we might have underestimated Bilawal BZ.

    10 years from now when IK leaves political scene... Bilawal might become the new PM...
    The army has been said to be pretty enraged at PDM but have also said they have no option. They can stay quiet as it is and see PDM abuse and bash them or they can act, which won't do them any good. Many sources have said they have put a lot of pressure on PTI to negotiate with PMLN but Imran Khan is in a very strong position and has rejected it time and time again. The only time something happened when PTI's group went to meet Molana Fazl and told him the same thing, no NRO to anyone.

    PPP have been said to have had backdoor channels open with estb which is why their rhetoric isn't as poisonous. All they want is Sindh. So if PMLN is finished, noone can challenge PTI.#

    I am not making this up btw, this has been all the talk among reputed journalists from Mateen to Malick to Klasra to Abbassi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    The army has been said to be pretty enraged at PDM but have also said they have no option. They can stay quiet as it is and see PDM abuse and bash them or they can act, which won't do them any good. Many sources have said they have put a lot of pressure on PTI to negotiate with PMLN but Imran Khan is in a very strong position and has rejected it time and time again. The only time something happened when PTI's group went to meet Molana Fazl and told him the same thing, no NRO to anyone.

    PPP have been said to have had backdoor channels open with estb which is why their rhetoric isn't as poisonous. All they want is Sindh. So if PMLN is finished, noone can challenge PTI.#

    I am not making this up btw, this has been all the talk among reputed journalists from Mateen to Malick to Klasra to Abbassi.
    Very interesting.

    But after some years when IK eventually goes behind the scenes in PTI, do you think PPP will be stronger than PTI?

    I just wished that PPP did something for Sindh for once in their wretched tenures. I mean Buttons/Zardaris are bona fide billionaires, they should try to improve common Sindhi person's life now that they wanna make Bilawal their next leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Very interesting.

    But after some years when IK eventually goes behind the scenes in PTI, do you think PPP will be stronger than PTI?

    I just wished that PPP did something for Sindh for once in their wretched tenures. I mean Buttons/Zardaris are bona fide billionaires, they should try to improve common Sindhi person's life now that they wanna make Bilawal their next leader.
    You're right that only PPP and PTI will be left and I do fear PTI is only due to IK..I hope a new leader is groomed otherwise I can see Bilawal being the leader which is a disaster. PPP would finish now if they go after Zardari but he's managed to wriggle out of any case. I saw a video where at Larkana PPP supporters attack biryani and looked poor and hungry. How these greedy rats are allowed to control Sindh is beyond me. If Imran manages to take control of Sindh I'll consider it a massive achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    I think we might have underestimated Bilawal BZ.

    10 years from now when IK leaves political scene... Bilawal might become the new PM...
    Some serious conflicts inside Bilawal House where Bilawal is finding himself alone vs AZ, his 2 sisters and Aunt. May be Bilawal will move away from AZ in couple of years.

    atm, AZ is using Bilawal as a sacrificial goat.

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    ISLAMABAD: The government is ready for dialogue only with the serious-minded leadership of the opposition but PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz should not be part of the process, announced federal Minister for Information Senator Shibli Faraz on Monday.

    “National dialogue is part of politics and the forum for such a dialogue will be parliament, as it represents the people’s will. But both Maryam Nawaz and Maulana Fazlur Rehman are not part of the parliament, therefore they will be excluded from the process,” he said while expressing the government’s resolve at a press conference.

    Accompanied by Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry and Minister for Water Resources Faisal Vawda, Senator Faraz lashed out at the opposition parties, saying that PML-N was formed by retired Gen Gilani. He said the opposition leadership believed that if they won, the elections were free and fair but if someone else won, elections had been rigged.

    He said the government had suggested reforms in electoral system as the agenda for the national dialogue.


    Minister says JUI-F chief, ex-PM’s daughter to remain out of process as they’re not part of parliament

    It was unfortunate that those who were “facilitators in the killing” of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and tortured Shaheed Benazir Bhutto were sharing the stage with the Pakistan Peoples Party leadership, Senator Faraz said, adding that normally events marking death anniversaries were not used for delivering political speeches, but they used the event for political point-scoring.

    In reply to a question about internal differences in Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam, he said those who termed the Maulana “selected” were insiders and enjoyed good reputation and status in the party.

    ‘Politics based on contradictions’

    Minister Vawda in his address said Maryam Nawaz belonged to the family of corrupt and they all were doing politics of self-interest as their politics was based on contradictions.

    “Maryam should be ashamed of equating herself with Benazir Bhutto and she was an educated person and not a failed student like you, what have you done for democracy and for the masses?” he added. “But the first thing is to render resignations, and why would the PPP resign when they are about to become the second largest party in Senate,” he believed.

    Calling the PML-N vice president ‘daughter of an absconder’, Mr Vawda said she was in panic because there was nothing for her to offer in politics.

    Referring to Maryan Nawaz’s speech at Garhi Khuda Bakhsh, the minister said she was portraying herself as a revolutionary and a saviour but there were several missing links in her speeches that she needed to answer. He said: “First of all we want to ask her what qualification she has to be a leader? And isn’t it a matter of shame for a senior leader of over 65 years of age to be standing behind her ‘like servants’?”

    He then demanded that the PML-N implement their rhetoric over resignations from the assemblies. “She is asking for the resignations while her uncle who is leader of the opposition is quite, but at least submit the resignations.”

    After a gap of around two and a half years, Ms Nawaz claimed the elections had been rigged but her party leaders had not approached any forum such as election tribunal, election commission of Pakistan or courts after the 2018 general elections with the grievances.

    “Similarly, one cleric of the JUI-F spoke about hanging the generals of Pak Army on the streets. But I tell you this country is not your personal property to start hanging people, you cannot do that with any ordinary citizens also,” Mr Vawda warned, “We will let you know what the writ of the government is.”

    Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry said the PML-N leadership changed colours faster than a chameleon. “They speak of Punjabi nationalism while in Lahore, praise Benazir Bhutto in interior Sindh, they are with the army when in front of them but when they meet Narendra Modi the narrative is that all ills were because of Pakistan army.”

    He lamented that all the PDM rallies were focused on decrying Punjab and the Pakistan army.

    Calling Ms Maryam Nawaz and Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari political interns, he said they were pursuing for hereditary politics when monarchies were on the decline across the world. He said the real political strife was between Ms Nawaz and her uncle, Shehbaz Sharif, over the slot of the party leadership.

    Published in Dawn, December 29th, 2020


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    ISLAMABAD: The government is ready for dialogue only with the serious-minded leadership of the opposition but PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz should not be part of the process, announced federal Minister for Information Senator Shibli Faraz on Monday.

    “National dialogue is part of politics and the forum for such a dialogue will be parliament, as it represents the people’s will. But both Maryam Nawaz and Maulana Fazlur Rehman are not part of the parliament, therefore they will be excluded from the process,” he said while expressing the government’s resolve at a press conference.

    Accompanied by Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry and Minister for Water Resources Faisal Vawda, Senator Faraz lashed out at the opposition parties, saying that PML-N was formed by retired Gen Gilani. He said the opposition leadership believed that if they won, the elections were free and fair but if someone else won, elections had been rigged.

    He said the government had suggested reforms in electoral system as the agenda for the national dialogue.


    Minister says JUI-F chief, ex-PM’s daughter to remain out of process as they’re not part of parliament

    It was unfortunate that those who were “facilitators in the killing” of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and tortured Shaheed Benazir Bhutto were sharing the stage with the Pakistan Peoples Party leadership, Senator Faraz said, adding that normally events marking death anniversaries were not used for delivering political speeches, but they used the event for political point-scoring.

    In reply to a question about internal differences in Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam, he said those who termed the Maulana “selected” were insiders and enjoyed good reputation and status in the party.

    ‘Politics based on contradictions’

    Minister Vawda in his address said Maryam Nawaz belonged to the family of corrupt and they all were doing politics of self-interest as their politics was based on contradictions.

    “Maryam should be ashamed of equating herself with Benazir Bhutto and she was an educated person and not a failed student like you, what have you done for democracy and for the masses?” he added. “But the first thing is to render resignations, and why would the PPP resign when they are about to become the second largest party in Senate,” he believed.

    Calling the PML-N vice president ‘daughter of an absconder’, Mr Vawda said she was in panic because there was nothing for her to offer in politics.

    Referring to Maryan Nawaz’s speech at Garhi Khuda Bakhsh, the minister said she was portraying herself as a revolutionary and a saviour but there were several missing links in her speeches that she needed to answer. He said: “First of all we want to ask her what qualification she has to be a leader? And isn’t it a matter of shame for a senior leader of over 65 years of age to be standing behind her ‘like servants’?”

    He then demanded that the PML-N implement their rhetoric over resignations from the assemblies. “She is asking for the resignations while her uncle who is leader of the opposition is quite, but at least submit the resignations.”

    After a gap of around two and a half years, Ms Nawaz claimed the elections had been rigged but her party leaders had not approached any forum such as election tribunal, election commission of Pakistan or courts after the 2018 general elections with the grievances.

    “Similarly, one cleric of the JUI-F spoke about hanging the generals of Pak Army on the streets. But I tell you this country is not your personal property to start hanging people, you cannot do that with any ordinary citizens also,” Mr Vawda warned, “We will let you know what the writ of the government is.”

    Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry said the PML-N leadership changed colours faster than a chameleon. “They speak of Punjabi nationalism while in Lahore, praise Benazir Bhutto in interior Sindh, they are with the army when in front of them but when they meet Narendra Modi the narrative is that all ills were because of Pakistan army.”

    He lamented that all the PDM rallies were focused on decrying Punjab and the Pakistan army.

    Calling Ms Maryam Nawaz and Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari political interns, he said they were pursuing for hereditary politics when monarchies were on the decline across the world. He said the real political strife was between Ms Nawaz and her uncle, Shehbaz Sharif, over the slot of the party leadership.

    Published in Dawn, December 29th, 2020
    Vintage Imran. Cutting the evil hydra's heads one by one. Divide and conquer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Some serious conflicts inside Bilawal House where Bilawal is finding himself alone vs AZ, his 2 sisters and Aunt. May be Bilawal will move away from AZ in couple of years.

    atm, AZ is using Bilawal as a sacrificial goat.
    I think despite all his faults Bilawal is doing the legwork. His sisters and aunts won't be an issue as they are too emotional for Pak political scene, on the other hand Bilawal should watch his back against Zardari. We all know what this rotten man is capable of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Some serious conflicts inside Bilawal House where Bilawal is finding himself alone vs AZ, his 2 sisters and Aunt. May be Bilawal will move away from AZ in couple of years.

    atm, AZ is using Bilawal as a sacrificial goat.
    Its all topi drama, its the same with Maryam and SS. But it would be brilliant if AZ dealt with Billo like he did with BB. If anybody hasn't seen in the Nick of time with Johnny Depp, its worth watching because it was the inspiration of BBs murder by AZ

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    We will resign from assemblies and do a long march only if Nawaz comes back : PPP

    Again, the PPP taking the PML-N for a ride. Good to see thieves being humiliated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Its all topi drama, its the same with Maryam and SS. But it would be brilliant if AZ dealt with Billo like he did with BB. If anybody hasn't seen in the Nick of time with Johnny Depp, its worth watching because it was the inspiration of BBs murder by AZ
    In case of Bilawal, it's getting serious now. Covid caught him at right time but either way he wasn't willing to attend Engagement Ceremony of his sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    In case of Bilawal, it's getting serious now. Covid caught him at right time but either way he wasn't willing to attend Engagement Ceremony of his sister.
    I hope you are right and AZ deals with him appropriately

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    Don’t think their aim is to topple the government. It’s main purpose at the moment is to just pressurize the government into a compromise.

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    PML- N is internally split between NS and SS groups. Maryam Safdar has proven to be an unmitigated disaster.

    JUI-F is internally falling apart with FR being exposed for what he is, an opportunistic and corrupt politician. His greatest strength, street power has been materially reduced with the emergence of JUI-P. JUI main centres KP and Balochistan will go with JUI-P.

    PPP & AZ is using the opportunity to rub NS’s face in the dirt as revenge for the past.

    PDM is the best thing that could have happened to PTI as the media and public attention is focused on these clowns and not on PTI failings.

    IK should use the PDM distraction to put his own house in order. A good 2021 for PTI will virtually put the next election in their grasp.

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    With all this PDM theatrics, What are the chances of PTI in the Senate elections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    PML- N is internally split between NS and SS groups. Maryam Safdar has proven to be an unmitigated disaster.

    JUI-F is internally falling apart with FR being exposed for what he is, an opportunistic and corrupt politician. His greatest strength, street power has been materially reduced with the emergence of JUI-P. JUI main centres KP and Balochistan will go with JUI-P.

    PPP & AZ is using the opportunity to rub NS’s face in the dirt as revenge for the past.

    PDM is the best thing that could have happened to PTI as the media and public attention is focused on these clowns and not on PTI failings.

    IK should use the PDM distraction to put his own house in order. A good 2021 for PTI will virtually put the next election in their grasp.
    Pretty spot on. And I agree with the last paragraph. IK still has most of the work left to do, when it comes to the next election PTI need to show why they should be elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal_103 View Post
    With all this PDM theatrics, What are the chances of PTI in the Senate elections?
    There is a Twitter account that does opinion studies and voter intention for upcoming elections... maybe someone can post it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal_103 View Post
    With all this PDM theatrics, What are the chances of PTI in the Senate elections?
    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    There is a Twitter account that does opinion studies and voter intention for upcoming elections... maybe someone can post it here.
    Senate isn't voted by the public. PTI is certain to win the senate elections hence why PDM is doing all the tamasha. It's also why PTI made it a rule that senators be elected by show of hands so PMLN can't buy off people.
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    PTI will most likely get the senate majority and leader of opposition will move to PPP.
    PML-N will be the biggest loser thus the reason behind the disruption politics.

    The more established politicians within PML-N are stepping back and letting NS and MS completely discredit themselves. Once done they will build a new party PML -S. Most of the “Uncles” are hopeful that they get arrested (find an excuse not to openly back NS and MS) or seeking to leaving the country (SKB). Most of the uncles were never in favour of the anti-army stance or the “arr ya par” stance. You do not play chicken with Pak Army!

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    ISLAMABAD: A day after PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman rejected the call for a national dialogue,Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said the government was ready for talks with the Opposition in Parliament on national issues except accountability.

    Talking to the media at the Parliament House on Friday, Qureshi said that Prime Minister Imran Khan has made it clear time and again that no NRO will be given to the corrupt elements.

    The foreign minister, however, said that the government consists of political people who believe in political process and dialogue.

    "The PDM leadership is holding a meeting at Jati Umra in Lahore today, but differences among the constituent parties of the alliance have already come forward," said Qureshi.

    Read more: PM Imran Khan lashes out at PDM, says Opposition coalition died on its own

    He said that the PPP's Central Executive Committee has decided that it will take part in the upcoming by-elections and the Senate polls, claiming that it will not resign from the assemblies.

    He also said that the PPP has not decided any date for a long march.

    Making a case for fissures in the PDM, Qureshi said that the alliance had decided that their MPs will send their resignations to Maulana Fazlur Rehman by December 31, but Bilawal opposed the move and argued that resignations should be sent to party heads. The minister said this move shows the "lack of confidence within the alliance".

    Fazl rejects offer of grand national dialogue
    PML-F leader Muhammad Ali Durrani met the JUI-F chief and offered a grand national dialogue.

    During the meeting, Durrani suggested the JUI-F chief to initiate talks with the government.

    Read more: PDM to make important decisions in Lahore meeting today

    However, the PDM chief rejected the offer and said that no talks can be held with an "incompetent and unelected" government.

    Meanwhile, PML-Q President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has also advised the government and Opposition to hold a dialogue in the best interest of the country.


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    What kind of dialogue? There isn't anything to talk about.

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    Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Friday that the opposition's movement would no longer be directed only at the Prime Minister Imran Khan-led government but also "his backers", hinting that the alliance's possible long march to the capital "could also be to Rawalpindi".

    Addressing a press conference after a meeting of the PDM leaders in Raiwind, Rehman said it was decided after detailed discussions that the opposition will participate in the upcoming by-elections, but indicated that there had been no decision on contesting the Senate elections.

    "In principle, we are not opposed to the elections of any institution but there is some time until [Senate polls]," he said, adding that the final decision will be taken in future PDM meetings while keeping in view the prevailing conditions.

    The JUI-F leader said news of rifts within the PDM was being run on media as part of a "campaign", but stressed that such rumours had died today.

    "PDM has come out stronger than before and is more determined than before to rid the nation of this illegitimate government," said the PDM chief, speaking alongside other top opposition leaders including PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz but not PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, who attended the meeting virtually.

    He said all PDM constituent parties had reported to the meeting today that the resignations of "all" opposition lawmakers had reached their party leaderships, in accordance with the Dec 31 date given for this purpose by the alliance.

    "So one of the targets has been achieved today," he said, reiterating that the government had one month to resign. He said if the premier refused to step down by January 31, the PDM leadership will announce the long march to Islamabad and decide its date.

    "It will also decide whether the long march should be staged towards Islamabad or to Rawalpindi," Rehman added. Rawalpindi is a metonym for the headquarters of the Pakistan Army.

    "We agree that the establishment has held the entire system hostage by turning Pakistan into a deep state. Imran Khan is a pawn [and] the people who did rigging and imposed him upon the nation, we want to make it clear [to them that] we blame the establishment and army leadership for this," the PDM chief said.

    He continued: "The direction of our criticism will now be manifestly aimed at them (establishment). Now it is for them to decide whether they will further sink their claws on Pakistan's politics or retreat and move towards their constitutional responsibilities."

    Rehman said the PDM considered the army "as our army" and it respected all generals. "But when this defence power interferes in politics forgoing its professional duties, it creates confusions," he added, attributing Pakistan's alleged constitutional, political and economic crises to this "transgression".

    "All parties are unanimous that the movement's direction should not be turned only towards the pawn but also against his backers."

    He announced that the PDM will stage a demonstration in front of the Election Commission of Pakistan offices in Islamabad on January 19, while a similar protest was being planned to be held in front of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) headquarters as well.

    Rehman said all opposition members summoned by NAB had appeared before it but said "it has been proven that this is not accountability but revenge".

    The meeting had been summoned to come up with a united stance on the issue of en masse resignations and participation in the upcoming elections on a number of seats of the national and provincial assemblies and the Senate.

    On Wednesday night, Rehman had met PML-N leader Maryam, after which they had announced that they wanted to provide an opportunity to PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari to present his viewpoint on the issues of resignations and participation in the coming elections, following which they would try to develop a consensus.

    The confusion arose earlier in the week when Bilawal, while addressing a press conference after his party’s central executive committee meeting in Karachi, said the CEC believed “that if we (joint opposition) take up the challenge of Senate elections collectively we can make a better impact and achieve larger success”.

    He added that he would take up the CEC’s decisions before the PDM leadership and discuss a further plan of the opposition’s movement against the incumbent government.

    En masse resignations
    The first phase of the PDM’s anti-government movement had come to an abrupt end with the public meeting in Lahore on December 13 as the leadership had failed to announce any future plan to intensify their campaign. Though the PDM leaders had declared they would make an announcement regarding district-wise protests, shutter down and wheel-jam strikes and the long march during the Lahore public meeting, no such plan was announced from the stage.

    Later, the PDM leaders set Jan 31 deadline for Prime Minister Imran to resign or face a decisive long march to Islamabad sometime in February.

    It was after a meeting of the heads of the constituent parties of the PDM in Islamabad on Dec 8 that Rehman had announced that all the national and provincial lawmakers belonging to the opposition would hand over their resignations individually to the heads of their parties by Dec 31.

    The Maulana had announced the decision during a press talk after presiding over a more than four-hour-long summit of the alliance which was also addressed by PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari through video link from London and Karachi, respectively.

    The PDM leadership, however, had failed to come up with an agreed plan regarding the use of their most lethal weapon of en masse resignations and its timing and Rehman simply announced that the steering committee of the PDM would meet in Islamabad the next day “to decide the schedule for further rallies and demonstrations and the date for long march towards Islamabad”.

    The next day, however, before the meeting of the steering committee could take place, the PDM leaders once again gathered at Rehman's residence for a luncheon meeting after which Bilawal categorically declared that his party would come out with a final decision regarding en masse resignations after discussing it at its CEC.

    Sources in the PDM earlier said PPP leaders during the meeting were not very enthusiastic about the proposed move and Zardari was not in favour of Sharif’s proposal to hand over the resignations to Rehman for future use and it was on his proposal that other parties finally agreed on the PPP’s suggestion that the resignations should be collected by the party heads.


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    If Diesel somehow manages to bring down the govt, no Democratic govt will ever be able to finish its term because tye maulvi will have a template. This movement is out to cause chaos to save its loot, and Sethi said yesterday the plan is to crash the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    PTI will most likely get the senate majority and leader of opposition will move to PPP.
    PML-N will be the biggest loser thus the reason behind the disruption politics.

    The more established politicians within PML-N are stepping back and letting NS and MS completely discredit themselves. Once done they will build a new party PML -S. Most of the “Uncles” are hopeful that they get arrested (find an excuse not to openly back NS and MS) or seeking to leaving the country (SKB). Most of the uncles were never in favour of the anti-army stance or the “arr ya par” stance. You do not play chicken with Pak Army!
    NS and Zardari both are corrupt criminals and and their offspring are the same. But Zardari is shrewd and Nawaz is dumb with much lower IQ. MLN will be the biggest loser out of this drama .

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    NS and Zardari both are corrupt criminals and and their offspring are the same. But Zardari is shrewd and Nawaz is dumb with much lower IQ. MLN will be the biggest loser out of this drama .
    Agreed - Nawaz and Zardari have corrupted Pakistani politics for many generation to come. NS is making himself irrelevant given his stupidity but Zardari will be more difficult to remove given his intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    Agreed - Nawaz and Zardari have corrupted Pakistani politics for many generation to come. NS is making himself irrelevant given his stupidity but Zardari will be more difficult to remove given his intelligence.
    Nothing to do with his intelligence more to do with the fact that any serious action against AZ will create a power vacuum in Sindh which could be exploited by Ind to encourage Sindhi nationalists. Its the reason the PPP have literally got away with murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Nothing to do with his intelligence more to do with the fact that any serious action against AZ will create a power vacuum in Sindh which could be exploited by Ind to encourage Sindhi nationalists. Its the reason the PPP have literally got away with murder.
    No, I respectfully agree.

    Rural Sindh’s political set up is still dominated by feudalism whereby the people do not have political choices or freedom. If you remove the stranglehold of PPP (which Zardari very skilfully maintained after BB) the Waderas will start to align with other political parties. The vacuum will be quickly filled by existing parties or by newer political parties. This will also weaken feudalism itself and over the longer run this will start to enable the common to exercise his/her political choices.

    The PPP position is a hindrance to political reform owing to its linkage to feudalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    No, I respectfully agree.

    Rural Sindh’s political set up is still dominated by feudalism whereby the people do not have political choices or freedom. If you remove the stranglehold of PPP (which Zardari very skilfully maintained after BB) the Waderas will start to align with other political parties. The vacuum will be quickly filled by existing parties or by newer political parties. This will also weaken feudalism itself and over the longer run this will start to enable the common to exercise his/her political choices.

    The PPP position is a hindrance to political reform owing to its linkage to feudalism.
    The Waderas know that the PPP is the only one that can give them immunity to kill people, rape and pillage. Thus there is a nexus between them and the Bhuttos to oppress people. The problem is that if you took the PPP down, the Waderas would have to go down with them and there lies the power vacuum. The same people, along with encouragement from Ind would use the Sindh card.

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    PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari said on Sunday that the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) had never asked for "relief", and that it was instead seeking "democracy, [a] level playing field, and an end to unemployment, inflation and poverty".

    Bilawal was talking to reporters in Thatta when he made the remarks in response to a question about the government's stance that the PDM was formed only to "seek an NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinance)"-like concession.

    He said the government only brought up the NRO when it had no answer to the PDM's criticism but the people could "clearly see through these tactics".

    Addressing questions regarding any disagreements between the PDM and PPP, he said: "Our CEC (Central Executive Committee) has endorsed every decision of the PDM." He emphasised that the decisions regarding contesting the upcoming by-elections or any other elections will be made from the PDM's platform "with consensus".

    The PPP leader rubbished Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid's comments from the previous day who had said the PDM had accepted defeat and the PPP had won. "I understand that PDM's win is PPP's win and PPP's win is PDM's win so we are one. When PDM wins the people of Pakistan win," he said.

    'NAP not being followed'
    Bilawal also condemned Sunday’s incident in Balochistan where 11 coal miners were kidnapped and shot dead.

    “I strictly condemn the terrorist and murderous action against the coal miners, and demand from the government that it implement the National Action Plan (NAP) and bring it into action,” he said.

    He said the NAP had been forgotten and not been followed ever since the incumbent government came to power. Bilawal alleged that “major terrorists are escaping” and that culprits involved in the Army Public School (APS) attack were also being “let go”.

    “Our innocent people are being left at the mercy of these terrorists, no investigations are happening and nor is anyone being caught,” Bilawal alleged.

    Pointing to the interior minister and the federal government, he said if they did their jobs instead of “doing politics and making noise over PDM” then such incidents might be avoided.

    Sindh and Balochistan Islands
    The PPP chairperson also addressed the ongoing tussle between the federal and Sindh governments over the planned takeover of Sindh and Balochistan's islands beginning with Bundal and Buddo.

    He said the PPP’s voice was the most prominent regarding the issue of the islands and that whenever such attempts had been made under authoritarian rule, the PPP was at the forefront in resisting them.

    Bilawal further said the Sindh cabinet and Sindh Assembly had passed resolutions to show the “people of Sindh’s wishes and rejection of this move” and presented them to the whole country. “Sindh assembly doesn’t have the constitutional and legal right to overturn any ordinance but it will become the voice of the people and try where it can,” he stressed.

    “In the National Assembly and the Senate, members of the opposition have continuously fought this issue […] and we will fail every such effort like this.”

    Speaking about natural gas shortages in Sindh and Balochistan, Bilawal said the issue will be raised regarding the first right of use of the gas that Sindh and Balochistan produced. He said the two provinces had a constitutional right to the gas since they produced the most.

    Media 'propaganda'
    In reference to Rashid's comments yesterday on the PDM and PPP, Bilawal alleged that propaganda was being done through the media to sow discord in the PDM in which some ministers were involved. He appealed to the media to not give space to such elements.

    He said the media had portrayed “Imran Khan addressing empty chairs as a revolution” but was now deliberately campaigning against the PDM on behalf of “undemocratic forces”.

    The PDM is running a democratic movement for a “real, organic and national representative government”, Bilawal emphasised.

    “PDM's workers [working together] with the people of Pakistan will face this government and send this puppet [government] home.”

    He said the PPP had never looked to someone else but always believed in the “power of the people”.


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    Desperate times… desperate measures

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    I see Billo coming out with his usual slogans..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    Desperate times… desperate measures
    Many invincibles are so merely because no one ever fought against them. A certain exiled leader was more powerful than FUR for as long as no one showed him the reality. In his forever limbo, FUR believes he can challenge the state. No one can.

    Egoistics always learn it the hard way.

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    LONDON: Former prime minister and PML-N leader Shahid Khaqan Abbasi dismissed on Thursday reports of rifts within the parties of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) and said if a party walked away from the alliance it would hurt itself politically.

    Mr Abbasi is in London for a few days after travelling to the US, where his sister and brother-in-law were critically ill due to Covid-19. He will be returning to Pakistan this week after getting a Covid test.

    Mr Abbasi refused to confirm media reports that he had met PML-N supremo Mian Nawaz Sharif in London, as he was prohibited from leaving home under the UK’s quarantine rules.

    “The establishment’s interference in politics has to end and all the parties have had enough of it,” he told Dawn. “Even if a party in the alliance is to break away for some reason, it will destroy itself politically. This interference has hurt all of us and simply cannot continue — all political factions know that.”

    When asked to comment on the reported fresh arrest warrants issued by the National Accountability Bureau in the LNG corruption reference, the former premier said: “Jail does not scare me. I don’t look forward to it, but I have been there before and they can put me there again.”

    When pressed on the PDM’s plans for a long march, he said the march would take place but was not the endgame. “We want the prime minister and the regime that were installed to be removed — nothing short of that. I am aware that a protest movement cannot in itself deliver a regime change, but it will send a message to those who brought Imran Khan that their time is up.”

    He denied that there was a backchannel dialogue taking place between the opposition and the government. He was of the opinion that “it is futile”. “There is no point talking to this government. It simply has to go,” Mr Abbasi added.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1600290/th...tically-abbasi


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    LONDON: Former prime minister and PML-N leader Shahid Khaqan Abbasi dismissed on Thursday reports of rifts within the parties of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) and said if a party walked away from the alliance it would hurt itself politically.

    Mr Abbasi is in London for a few days after travelling to the US, where his sister and brother-in-law were critically ill due to Covid-19. He will be returning to Pakistan this week after getting a Covid test.

    Mr Abbasi refused to confirm media reports that he had met PML-N supremo Mian Nawaz Sharif in London, as he was prohibited from leaving home under the UK’s quarantine rules.

    “The establishment’s interference in politics has to end and all the parties have had enough of it,” he told Dawn. “Even if a party in the alliance is to break away for some reason, it will destroy itself politically. This interference has hurt all of us and simply cannot continue — all political factions know that.”

    When asked to comment on the reported fresh arrest warrants issued by the National Accountability Bureau in the LNG corruption reference, the former premier said: “Jail does not scare me. I don’t look forward to it, but I have been there before and they can put me there again.”

    When pressed on the PDM’s plans for a long march, he said the march would take place but was not the endgame. “We want the prime minister and the regime that were installed to be removed — nothing short of that. I am aware that a protest movement cannot in itself deliver a regime change, but it will send a message to those who brought Imran Khan that their time is up.”

    He denied that there was a backchannel dialogue taking place between the opposition and the government. He was of the opinion that “it is futile”. “There is no point talking to this government. It simply has to go,” Mr Abbasi added.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1600290/th...tically-abbasi
    Hasn't he broken the law in the UK by meeting up with the duffer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    Maybe they can finally stop their nonsense of sending Durrani to talk with the opposition and have realised what treasonous ghatiya PDM is.

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    Will serve Maulana Fazlur Rehman tea if he marches towards GHQ: DG ISPR



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    Leaders of the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) will be offered tea and snacks and looked after if they decide to stage a long march towards Rawalpindi, the chief of the military's media wing said on Monday.

    Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar, director general of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), was answering a question at a press conference about PDM president Maulana Fazlur Rehman's indication that the opposition could turn the direction of its anti-government movement towards the army leadership.

    "I don't see a reason for [them] coming to Pindi. And if at all they want to come, we will offer them refreshments (chai pani) and look after them. What more can I say?" the DG ISPR said.

    Rehman, while talking to the media after a PDM meeting earlier this month, had said the 11-party opposition alliance's movement would no longer be directed only at the Prime Minister Imran Khan-led government but also "his backers", hinting that its possible long march to the capital "could also be to Rawalpindi".

    The PDM chief had said if the PTI government refused to resign by January 31, the PDM leadership will announce the long march to Islamabad and decide its date. "It will also decide whether the long march should be staged towards Islamabad or to Rawalpindi," Rehman had added. Rawalpindi is a metonym for the headquarters of the Pakistan Army.

    Maj Gen Iftikhar was also asked by a reporter whether any "stern action" would be taken against those propagating an "anti-army narrative" — an apparent reference to some PDM leaders.

    The ISPR chief responded: "When it comes to criticism or allegations levelled, the army is doing its job. As to why are we not responding to that, only such allegations are responded to which have some weight or are based on facts.

    "We have our hands full and we neither want to get involved in such things nor will we. We have stayed the course [and] we will stay the course. There is nothing to worry about; we are not worried."

    He said the morale of the entire army and that of the families of the martyrs was very high.

    The opposition alliance and particularly PML-N supremo and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif have in recent months accused the army leadership of meddling in the country's politics and bringing Imran Khan into power by manipulating the 2018 general elections.

    While answering another question about the PDM's allegations against the army, Maj Gen Iftikhar denied the impression that there was "no concern" within the army over the statements, but emphasised that the armed forces' morale remained high.

    "The army is doing its job despite whatever is being said. [But] the concern remains in its place," he said.

    In a reference to PDM's statements, the DG ISPR said "the type of allegations that are being levelled have no weight", and cited the allegation about the 2018 elections not being fair.

    "The incumbent government asked the Pak Army to conduct elections and the Army conducted them with full responsibility and integrity.

    "After that, if anyone has any problem regarding that, then all Pakistani institutions are working and they are the ones who have to decide on that and they should be approached," he added.

    Referring to rising political tensions in the country, Maj Gen Iftikhar said: "This is truly not a good thing [...] but all said and done, the army is a subordinate institution of the government."

    He added that "whatever has been said, I think the government has given a very good response and is tackling it. Army neither has the need to interfere in political matters nor should attempts be made to drag it in."

    Asked about Prime Minister Imran's statement that the opposition was asking the army to overthrow his government, the DG ISPR declined to comment. But he said there was "absolutely no" backdoor contact between the army and the opposition. "There is no such thing. We want to stay out of it and we are out of it," he stressed.

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    The Griffins ....

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    Getting the Abhinadan treatment, he should be honoured

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubs View Post
    Getting the Abhinadan treatment, he should be honoured
    Who knows, maybe DG ISPR is a PPer

    It can be a possibility.

    Objectively, Abhinadan was (still is?) a soldier and served his country with honor and dignity. Don't insult a guy like him by comparing to a thief like Fazlu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Who knows, maybe DG ISPR is a PPer

    It can be a possibility.

    Objectively, Abhinadan was (still is?) a soldier and served his country with honor and dignity. Don't insult a guy like him by comparing to a thief like Fazlu.
    Very true, was just a stupid quip (or attempt at one) by me. I have far more respect for Abhinadan.

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    PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb said on Wednesday that the party, under the umbrella of the 10-party opposition alliance Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), would take out rallies from different areas of Rawalpindi and Islamabad on Jan 19 that would merge into one big rally before heading towards the office of the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) in the capital.

    Addressing a press conference in Islamabad along with other party leaders, she said the rally was being organised to "get a decision from the ECP that it is not giving since 2014". She was referring to a foreign funding case against the PTI, which was filed in Nov 2014 by Akbar S. Babar, a founding member of the ruling party.

    "The protest that the PDM is going to do on Jan 19 [is being done] to take the decision that has already been made today when the PTI has accepted that illegal funding has come through 23 foreign-funded accounts, [that] illegal funding could have been done through agents. [The PTI] accepted that money was gotten illegally through 23 foreign funded accounts that were not declared accounts and that money was [deposited] in PTI accounts [through cheques].

    "Signs of President [Dr Arif Alvi], Sindh Governor [Imran Ismail] and Imran Khan sahib himself [along with] other PTI leaders are present on those cheques," she claimed.


    PTI's explanation
    In an apparent departure from its stance of denying any illegal funding from the United States, the PTI had on Wednesday, come up with an explanation that if any funds were collected illegally through two US companies registered after Imran Khan’s written instructions, the responsibility lies with their agents managing the two limited liability companies.

    The PTI said in its reply submitted to the Election Commission that "any contribution that has been collected by the agent which may be questionable would be beyond the scope of the work/responsibility/instructions given by the principal (respondent)".

    "The principal has given clear instructions and if the agent goes beyond those instructions without disclosing it to the principal, without seeking ratification of those acts and without even sending that money to the principal, then it is submitted that the principal will not be liable under section 228 and not admit/certify such contents. The fact that the principal neither had knowledge nor has received the proceeds exhibits the bona fide of the principal," the document carrying PTI’s reply went on to argue.

    The party adopted the latest stance in a written reply to a questionnaire given to it by the scrutiny committee of the ECP, sources had told Dawn.

    The ECP committee met to continue scrutiny of PTI accounts under fresh directives to expedite the process, which has been going on since March 2018.

    In the presser today, Aurangzeb said that the PTI has "accepted the decision that ECP is not giving since 2014" and the PDM workers would go to the commission's office on Jan 19 to take that decision from it.

    "The case was registered in 2014. What reason does the ECP have [to delay a verdict] when the PTI has accepted that agents did illegal funding? They should be ready to write the judgement," she further said.

    The PML-N spokesperson said that all routes of the rally had been decided and all preparations had been completed.

    "[One] rally will start in Islamabad and head towards the ECP office. The Pindi rally will start from Nawaz Sharif Park and will go to the commission through Club Road," she said, adding that rallies taken out from other areas of the district would merge at Kashmir Chowk and head to the ECP office from there.

    "PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz will preside over the rally and all PDM leaders will be there."

    Defamation notice
    Aurangzeb also spoke about a legal notice sent to her by Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior and Accountability Mirza Shahzad Akbar for allegedly making defamatory statements about him in connection with the recent Broadsheet scandal.

    In a tweet, Akbar said Aurangzeb "has been asked to apologise or she will be taken to court".

    Responding to Akbar, Aurangzeb said today that "such people do not understand defamation when they wave papers [during press conferences] and make false allegations against people" whom they never take to the courts.

    "The person who has set the price for his honour at Rs500 million will go abroad and definitely ask for his cut," she said, while referring to a recent interview of Kaveh Moussavi, the owner of UK-based assets recovery firm Broadsheet LLC, in which he had alleged that an individual who he had met with Akbar in 2018 regarding a $1 billion bank account was more interested in getting his cut than in investigating suspects.

    The Broadsheet owner added, however, that Akbar may not have been aware of this individual’s question about a commission.

    Denying this in a statement to Dawn, Akbar clarified that he met Moussavi in 2019 twice and not in 2018. He said the context of his meetings was to negotiate the award price and to reduce the payable amount. According to Akbar, in the interview, Moussavi may be referring to someone he met separately.

    However, Aurangzeb said that she had "raised valid questions and I stand by them today".

    She questioned why the government was defending Broadsheet LLC and paying it when it had done "zero recoveries" of assets.

    "That person (Akbar) asked where is my cut and [Moussavi] said the share goes to the people of Pakistan and he said no, we are talking about our share. You are pained because you did not get your cut," she alleged.

    "You wave papers about Ashiyana(-i-Iqbal Housing Scheme scam), (Punjab) Saaf Pani (Company) ... You said Shehbaz Sharif [stole] money from Lahore Metro Train (project). You could not prove corruption of Rs1.

    "I have made an allegation where you said 'give me commission, give me cut'. I am repeating [Moussavi's] talk," she said while calling on Akbar to answer allegations of receiving kickbacks.

    Read: Moussavi allegations open can of worms

    "Tell us how you held the meetings. You are giving the contract again to the company you are already paying a fine to. The people ask [you] to make the draft [of the contract] public.

    "You tell lies, I will expose you. You disrespect other people, I will disrespect you. You defame others, I will defame you."

    Aurangzeb demanded that the government make public all details about the meetings that officials from the government and National Accountability Bureau (NAB) held with Broadsheet LLC, the contract that the government wanted to ink with it and the reason for doing so.

    "The entire team of NAB that went to the meeting which was headed by Shahzad Akbar, the details of the meetings should be made public, what legal authority they had [and] all costs of meeting" should be made public because this has "defamed the people", she added.


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    Differences in approach between the PPP and PML-N to oust the incumbent government have started to show more prominently, after PML-N Secretary-General Ahsan Iqbal seemed to disagree a no-confidence motion is the way to go.

    During a press conference on Saturday, a day after PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari recommended that the Opposition table a no-confidence motion in the parliament, Iqbal said that this is an "old recommendation".

    He said the tactic did not work in the Senate when a no-confidence motion was tabled to oust the chairman, Sadiq Sanjrani, and deputy chairman Mandviwalla, despite the Opposition having the numbers required.

    Iqbal did however invite Bilawal to share any numbers he may have which could lead to a successful vote.

    "This is a PPP recommendation, an old one [...] but where the PML-N is concerned, we believe that if Bilawal Bhutto sahab has such numbers, then he may definitely share them with us if he believes can help the Opposition table a no-confidence motion.

    "In the Senate (bid to oust the chairman and deputy chairman), we saw that despite having the numbers, we did not succeed in such a vote," Iqbal said.

    The PML-N secretary-general said there is "only one way" the Opposition must take, and that is a "decisive long march" against the government.

    He said March is an ideal month for the march.

    'Govt trying to divert attention from its failures'
    Iqbal said that the government brings up issues like Panama and Broadsheet to divert attention.

    "After crying Panama, Panama they came into power through election rigging, and now they want to divert attention from their failures by raising a hue and cry about Broadsheet," he said.

    Referring to Minister for Interior Sheikh Rasheed's categorisation of the matter as "Panama 2", he said that the Panama Papers case — that led to the disqualification of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif — was a "fraud" and "so is Broadsheet".

    He said the government is "hiding the true facts" behind the Broadsheet scandal.

    Iqbal said that if the government is serious about the investigation of Broadsheet, it should have contacted Leader of the Opposition Shahbaz Sharif.

    "Let us investigate it and form a parliamentary commission by consensus," said the PML-N stalwart.

    He criticised the government for instead appointing "their own man", who will simply give a "clean chit" and "wipe the issue away", referring to retired Justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed, who has been named as the head of the government committee probing the Broadsheet scandal.

    PML-N 'rejects' Broadsheet probe under retired Justice Azmat Saeed

    Also addressing the interior minister's remarks that Saeed has "read volume 10" of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) report in the Panama Papers case, Iqbal said: "Whether it is Volume 10, or 20, these are all tall tales — like the Arabian Nights."

    "The nation does not want to read Volume 10. It wants to know why the economy stands at 0.4% from a previous level of 5.80%," he continued.

    The nation wants to know why the prices of flour, sugar and pulses doubled and tripled and why electricity and gas are not available, Iqbal added.

    In further criticism of the government, with regard to its spending, the PML-N leader said that it could not sign the agreement for financing on ML1 in two-and-a-half years.

    The government does not have the development budget to start a new project, he added.

    Iqbal said that "a development budget of Rs1 trillion has been reduced to Rs550 billion and only 39% was utilised in six months".


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Differences in approach between the PPP and PML-N to oust the incumbent government have started to show more prominently, after PML-N Secretary-General Ahsan Iqbal seemed to disagree a no-confidence motion is the way to go.

    During a press conference on Saturday, a day after PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari recommended that the Opposition table a no-confidence motion in the parliament, Iqbal said that this is an "old recommendation".

    He said the tactic did not work in the Senate when a no-confidence motion was tabled to oust the chairman, Sadiq Sanjrani, and deputy chairman Mandviwalla, despite the Opposition having the numbers required.

    Iqbal did however invite Bilawal to share any numbers he may have which could lead to a successful vote.

    "This is a PPP recommendation, an old one [...] but where the PML-N is concerned, we believe that if Bilawal Bhutto sahab has such numbers, then he may definitely share them with us if he believes can help the Opposition table a no-confidence motion.

    "In the Senate (bid to oust the chairman and deputy chairman), we saw that despite having the numbers, we did not succeed in such a vote," Iqbal said.

    The PML-N secretary-general said there is "only one way" the Opposition must take, and that is a "decisive long march" against the government.

    He said March is an ideal month for the march.

    'Govt trying to divert attention from its failures'
    Iqbal said that the government brings up issues like Panama and Broadsheet to divert attention.

    "After crying Panama, Panama they came into power through election rigging, and now they want to divert attention from their failures by raising a hue and cry about Broadsheet," he said.

    Referring to Minister for Interior Sheikh Rasheed's categorisation of the matter as "Panama 2", he said that the Panama Papers case — that led to the disqualification of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif — was a "fraud" and "so is Broadsheet".

    He said the government is "hiding the true facts" behind the Broadsheet scandal.

    Iqbal said that if the government is serious about the investigation of Broadsheet, it should have contacted Leader of the Opposition Shahbaz Sharif.

    "Let us investigate it and form a parliamentary commission by consensus," said the PML-N stalwart.

    He criticised the government for instead appointing "their own man", who will simply give a "clean chit" and "wipe the issue away", referring to retired Justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed, who has been named as the head of the government committee probing the Broadsheet scandal.

    PML-N 'rejects' Broadsheet probe under retired Justice Azmat Saeed

    Also addressing the interior minister's remarks that Saeed has "read volume 10" of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) report in the Panama Papers case, Iqbal said: "Whether it is Volume 10, or 20, these are all tall tales — like the Arabian Nights."

    "The nation does not want to read Volume 10. It wants to know why the economy stands at 0.4% from a previous level of 5.80%," he continued.

    The nation wants to know why the prices of flour, sugar and pulses doubled and tripled and why electricity and gas are not available, Iqbal added.

    In further criticism of the government, with regard to its spending, the PML-N leader said that it could not sign the agreement for financing on ML1 in two-and-a-half years.

    The government does not have the development budget to start a new project, he added.

    Iqbal said that "a development budget of Rs1 trillion has been reduced to Rs550 billion and only 39% was utilised in six months".
    So you dont have the numbers to replace the govt legitimately and you want to overthrow the govt by illegal means. Bunch of clowns

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    PESHAWAR: Demanding free and fair elections in the country, the Awami National Party (ANP) has said the ‘premier’s selectors’ should realise that Pakistan and PM Imran Khan can’t go together.

    “No doubt, [PM] Imran was a good cricketer, but he is not a good ruler,” ANP senior vice-president Ameer Haider Khan Hoti told a rally held here on Saturday in connection with the death anniversaries of freedom-fighter Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and party founder Khan Abdul Wali Khan.

    Criticising internal and external policies of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf-led federal government, the ANP leader said the ‘selected prime minister’ had borrowed record loans from international agencies but even despite that, the country’s economy was in bad shape.

    “Economy has been ruined,” he said.

    Mr Hoti said a friendly country had impounded a plane of Pakistan’s flag carrier on account of nonpayment, while European countries had placed a ban on PIA flights.

    He also said high inflation had badly affected common man and business communities.

    Party leader Hoti demands free, fair polls in country

    The ANP leader said the country had lost its time-tested friends due to the immature policies of the sitting rulers.

    He said Premier Imran Khan had admitted misappropriation in the PTI foreign funding by his agents.

    “I tell [PM Imran’s] selectors that his selection was wrong as he has badly failed to deliver,” he said, adding that only free and fair elections could steer the country out of the current political and economic crises.

    He said the ‘selectors’ should save Pakistan and not PM Imran.

    Expressing concern about the prevailing law and order situation in the country, especially forced disappearances and target killings in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, Mr Hoti said his party would continue protesting the kidnappings and forced disappearances of Pakhtuns.

    He said ANP information secretary Assad Khan had gone missing in Balochistan.

    The ANP leader said the party would file a writ petition with the Balochistan High Court against the disappearance of its office-bearer and would use political platforms to ensure his safe recovery.

    Paying rich tribute to the struggle of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and Khan Abdul Wali Khan, he said Ghaffar Khan, popularly known as Bacha Khan, had started a struggle for the rights of oppressed Pakhtun nation around 100 years ago.

    Mr Hoti said British rulers had deprived Pakhtuns of their fundamental rights and the right to vote.

    He said Bacha Khan not only fought for the rights of Pakhtun nation but also created social and political awareness by establishing schools.

    The ANP leader also praised Bacha Khan over his philosophy to discourage violence in society.

    He said like Bacha Khan, Wali Khan also made serious efforts to ensure the supremacy of the Constitution and strengthen democracy in the country.

    Mr Hoti said that the country might not have 1973 Constitution if Wali Khan when he was the opposition leader did not sign it.

    “Despite rendering great services for the nation and country, both Bacha Khan and Wali Khan were declared traitors and agents of Russia and India,” he said.

    ANP general secretary Mian Iftikhar Hussain urged newly-elected US President Joe Biden to focus on the holding of talks between the Afghan government and Taliban.

    He said if peace talks failed, then it would further ruin Afghanistan.

    The ANP leader also urged Pakistan to play a sincere role in making the peace process successful.

    He said unless peace was restored in Afghanistan, peace in Pakistan would remain elusive.

    ANP provincial president Aimal Wali Khan demanded the formation of a truth commission to probe the war against terrorism and fix responsibility.

    He also called upon the federal government to open all trade points with Afghanistan and take steps for facilitating traders.

    Mr Aimal demanded the return of the internally displaced persons to their homes in the merged tribal districts, rehabilitation of the damaged properties, and recovery of all missing persons.

    He said even after the passage of 25th Constitutional Amendment, socio-economic conditions of the people in tribal districts hadn’t improved.

    Published in Dawn, January 24th, 2021


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    Maryam, Fazlu, Hamid Mir, Billo said today was the day. Any news on IKs resignations. @Mamoon
    You follow their news and accounts religiously, whats the latest.

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    Every country will have it's success and failures.

    Failures and mistakes don't matter as long as the intentions are there for betterment of the people.

    There is nothing sincere about any of the parties in the PDM. If they were genuine, they'd tell Maryam, Fazl and Bilawal to step aside and let somebody else take helm. They have no leg to stand on.

    As it stands, it's just cult politics. Hopefully it lands flat on it's head again and again.

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    I bet IK is writing out his resignation letter as we speak.

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    As PDM deadline for govt to quit passes, Bilawal says opposition 'must now force removal of puppets'

    PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Sunday called upon the joint opposition to "force the removal of puppets", after the January 31 deadline set by the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) for Prime Minister Imran Khan to quit passed without any signs of the government retreating.

    "The selected PM has failed to resign by the deadline set by PDM," Bilawal said in a series of tweets, adding that the opposition alliance had given "this illegitimate regime the opportunity to step aside respectfully and allow for a transition to democracy with free, fair and transparent elections".

    He said the Pakistani people faced historic poverty, unemployment and inflation because the incumbent government had been "forced on them".

    "The joint opposition must now force the removal of puppets," he wrote, emphasising that the PPP believed in relying on democratic tactics and that sustained joint efforts inside and outside the parliament would "ultimately succeed" in sending the government home.

    Bilawal said the plan of staging a long-march against the government and moving a no-trust motion against Prime Minister Imran will "hopefully be discussed" in the next PDM meeting.

    In a reference to the government's plan of introducing a constitutional amendment for open ballot in the upcoming Senate polls, the PPP chairman said the government's "desperation" was clear as it was "trying to change rules to rig Senate elections because they can see their defeat".

    "God-willing, Senate elections will show [that the] government is on shaky ground," he added.

    Bilawal also used the occasion to reiterate that the establishment "must leave political battles to the politicians now or risk being drawn into controversies".

    "Only a government chosen by the people can deliver for the people," he concluded.

    After a meeting of the leadership of its member parties, the PDM had given a deadline to Prime Minister Imran to step down by January 31, with the warning that a march on Islamabad would otherwise result in the ouster of the PTI government.

    “In case the government does not step down, the date of the long march will be announced on Feb 1. We ask the people of Pakistan to start preparations for the long march from today,” PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman had told a presser after presiding over the meeting.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1604706/as...al-of-puppets]

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    PDM took ppl out in jalsas in peak COVID time. And today ZERO output . No resignations, no long March, nothing . Farigh . Only stupid ppl can support PDM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Maryam, Fazlu, Hamid Mir, Billo said today was the day. Any news on IKs resignations. @Mamoon
    You follow their news and accounts religiously, whats the latest.
    He is switching different TV channels to hear the news he is looking for .

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    Imran Khan is definitely shaking right now. 2 failed attempts already but somehow this third attempt to create drama will result in the removal of the PM.


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