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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Will you have the same stand if minorities in islamic countries do something similar?
    Yes. If Muslims prevent a minority from worshipping peacefully or if the State makes laws targeting a specific religion then (unless a person holds dual nationality) I would expect them to fight for their right.

    Violence breeds violence. Hate breeds hate. Intolerance breeds intolerance. I am a Sunni Muslim (whatever that is) and I don't cry or get upset when a Shia group kills some members of the Sunni group, coz lets be real, they do the same to them so what do they expect in return?

    (Dual nationality means that you are a citizen of another country so you have the option to leave. Most people who are born in a country don't have that option and its not easy to just relocate. No one should be forced to leave their home.)


    Whenever Nawaz wins, he divides PMLN equally. He keeps PM for himself and gives L N to the people.

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    Good post

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    The southern French city of Nice was in mourning on Friday for the three people stabbed to death in a suspected jihadist attack at a church.

    A makeshift memorial has been set up outside the Notre-Dame basilica, where people have placed flowers and lit candles for the victims.

    French President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday's stabbings were an "Islamist terrorist attack".

    He is to hold an emergency meeting with senior ministers on Friday.

    Meanwhile, security has been stepped up at places of worship and schools across France following two similar attacks within two weeks. Earlier this month a teacher was beheaded in a Paris suburb after showing controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad to some of his pupils.

    Mr Macron's subsequent defence of the right to publish the cartoons has stoked anger in several Muslim-majority countries.

    Following the latest attack, police shot and wounded the suspected knifeman, identified as a 21-year-old Tunisian who had only recently arrived in Europe. He is said to be in a critical condition in hospital.


    media captionPolice gunshots heard as three killed in Nice 'Islamist terrorist' stabbings
    What do we know about the victims?
    The two women and a man were attacked inside the basilica on Thursday morning before the first Mass of the day.

    Two died inside the church. One of them, a 60-year-old woman who has not been named, was "virtually beheaded" close to the font, according to the French chief anti-terrorism prosecutor.

    French media have named one victim as 55-year-old Vincent Loquès, a devout Catholic who had reportedly worked at the basilica for more than 10 years.

    Mr Loquès, a father of two loved by many of the church's regulars, was opening the building when the attacker slit his throat, police say.

    The third victim was named by the Brazilian foreign ministry as Simone Barreto Silva, a 44-year-old mother of three born in Salvador on Brazil's north-eastern coast. She had lived in France for 30 years.

    She fled to a nearby cafe with multiple stab wounds but died shortly afterwards. "Tell my children that I love them," she told those who tried to help her, according to French media.

    On Friday morning, priest Philippe Asso stood on the church steps with other mourners before walking in with a wreath to the victims.

    Others gathered outside the church to pay their respects.

    image captionOn Thursday evening people gathered outside the church to light candles for the victims
    Nice resident Frederic Lefèvre, 50, said he knew Mr Loquès.

    "This is a tragedy once again," he said. "We're a free country, we have demonstrated freedom to all countries of the world. Today, this freedom is closing in on us. Life needs to be lived for everyone."

    Marc Mercier, 71, called the killings a "catastrophe".

    "It's appalling. It's been years that we've been saying that fear should shift to the other side (attackers) but it is still the same."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegitto1 View Post
    Yes. If Muslims prevent a minority from worshipping peacefully or if the State makes laws targeting a specific religion then (unless a person holds dual nationality) I would expect them to fight for their right.

    Violence breeds violence. Hate breeds hate. Intolerance breeds intolerance. I am a Sunni Muslim (whatever that is) and I don't cry or get upset when a Shia group kills some members of the Sunni group, coz lets be real, they do the same to them so what do they expect in return?

    (Dual nationality means that you are a citizen of another country so you have the option to leave. Most people who are born in a country don't have that option and its not easy to just relocate. No one should be forced to leave their home.)
    Hate breeds hate. Right?

    In the other thread with the subject of indian church, you brought your insecurities and when no one was actually blaming Muslim community, you started the agenda of discrimination against Muslims.

    Forget community wise. You can't even preach what you have written here and the example is all there to see.

    That's why I state that, some Muslims though preach a lot, are actually hypocrite when it comes to action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Hate breeds hate. Right?

    In the other thread with the subject of indian church, you brought your insecurities and when no one was actually blaming Muslim community, you started the agenda of discrimination against Muslims.

    Forget community wise. You can't even preach what you have written here and the example is all there to see.

    That's why I state that, some Muslims though preach a lot, are actually hypocrite when it comes to action.
    The last part can be said of any religious group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Hate breeds hate. Right?

    In the other thread with the subject of indian church, you brought your insecurities and when no one was actually blaming Muslim community, you started the agenda of discrimination against Muslims.

    Forget community wise. You can't even preach what you have written here and the example is all there to see.

    That's why I state that, some Muslims though preach a lot, are actually hypocrite when it comes to action.
    How was I preaching hate? I responded to a question asked by a poster. I told him how the attack will be described in the media will depend on the religious identity of the attacker and that is a fact.

    Stating a fact is not hating.


    Whenever Nawaz wins, he divides PMLN equally. He keeps PM for himself and gives L N to the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegitto1 View Post
    Unfortunately this is what happens when you push a group of people against the wall. France was forcing its will upon its Muslim population, there were two stabbings of Arab Muslims recently as well.

    Arab Muslims, and Muslims outside of India, tend to have more of a spine and do retaliate when someone attempts to oppress them. France should not expect French Muslims to sit back and be dictated to like their Indian counterparts.
    I am glad the overwhelming majority of muslims in India do not think the way you do.

    Islamophobia sadly exists because of people like you who believe cutting innocent peoples throats is a way of showing spine and loyalty to religion.

    Shame on you.

    Going by your deluded logic, you are a spineless cowards yourself if you're not ready to blow yourself up at any moment.
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    Muslim scholars group condemn terror attack in France

    A leading global Muslim group condemned a deadly knife attack Thursday at a church in France.

    “We received the news of the horrific crime that took place this morning in Nice, France, in which three people were killed,” the International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS) said in a statement.

    The Doha-based group reiterated its call to fight any tendency toward extremism, violence and terrorism.

    “The Union condemns and denounces this heinous barbaric crime, whoever does it, and whatever his motives and objectives, it confirms once again the innocence of Islam and the nation of Islam from this criminal act,” according to the statement that said such actions are forbidden and violate the principles and values of Islam.

    The attack Thursday is the latest in a spate of terror acts gripping France amid growing tensions about anti-Islam measures.

    The statement made an apparent reference to actions marginalizing Muslims when it said that group “[renewed] its call to Muslims in general, and in European countries in particular, to spare no effort in combating any tendency that tends to extremism, violence and terrorism, and to consolidate the approach of moderation, peace, compassion and harmony.”

    Three people were killed and several wounded in the knife attack near the Basilica of Notre Dame de l’Assumption.

    Police arrested the suspect, taking him to a hospital after he sustained gunshot wounds, according to local media.

    The dead included one man and two women — two of whom were beheaded. Police confirmed that at least one person was decapitated.

    In a separate incident Thursday, French police shot dead a knife-wielding man who reportedly threatened police in Avignon, according to media reports.

    http://muslimmirror.com/eng/muslim-s...ack-in-france/

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    Nice attack: Grief and anger in France after church stabbings

    Flowers and candles have been placed outside the church in the southern French city of Nice where three people were stabbed to death.

    President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday's stabbings were an "Islamist terrorist attack". Security is being stepped up throughout France.

    The 21-year-old Tunisian suspect arrived in the city the night before the attack, his brother told the BBC.

    Meanwhile, France's interior minister said more militant attacks were likely.

    "We need to understand that there have been and there will be other events such as these terrible attacks," said Gerald Darmanin. "We're at war against an ideology, Islamist ideology."

    Security has been increased at places of worship and schools across France following two similar attacks within two weeks. Earlier this month a teacher was beheaded in a Paris suburb after showing controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad to some of his pupils.

    Mr Macron's subsequent defence of the right to publish the cartoons has stoked anger in several Muslim-majority countries.

    Following the latest attack, police shot and wounded the suspected knifeman, who had only recently arrived in Europe. He is said to be in a critical condition in hospital.

    President Emmanuel Macron has ordered that the number of soldiers being deployed to protect public places - such as churches and schools - rises from 3,000 to 7,000.

    Meanwhile, police investigating the attack have made a second arrest.

    What do we know about the victims?
    The two women and a man were attacked inside the basilica in the morning before the first Mass of the day.

    Two died inside the church. One of them, a 60-year-old woman who has not been named, was "virtually beheaded" close to the font, according to the French chief anti-terrorism prosecutor.

    French media have named one victim as 55-year-old Vincent Loquès, a devout Catholic who had reportedly worked at the basilica for more than 10 years.

    Mr Loquès, a father of two loved by many of the church's regulars, was opening the building when the attacker slit his throat, police say.

    The third victim was named by the Brazilian foreign ministry as Simone Barreto Silva, a 44-year-old mother of three born in Salvador on Brazil's north-eastern coast. She had lived in France for 30 years.

    She fled to a nearby cafe with multiple stab wounds but died shortly afterwards. "Tell my children that I love them," she told those who tried to help her, according to French media.

    On Friday morning, priest Philippe Asso stood on the church steps with other mourners before walking in with a wreath to the victims.

    Others gathered outside the church to pay their respects.

    Nice resident Frederic Lefèvre, 50, said he knew Mr Loquès.

    "This is a tragedy once again," he said. "We're a free country, we have demonstrated freedom to all countries of the world. Today, this freedom is closing in on us. Life needs to be lived for everyone."

    Marc Mercier, 71, called the killings a "catastrophe".

    "It's appalling. It's been years that we've been saying that fear should shift to the other side [attackers] but it is still the same."
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54745251.



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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    Add your views to the bad.

    You’ve just peddled a racist trope.

    Judge each person individually.

    Vetting is important.

    What are these ground realities you speak of?
    The ground realities are that Muslims largely arrive on our shores from environments which don't allow them to assimilate to Western culture. The inevitable friction that results ensures that they operate with a massive chip on their shoulders, and every man, woman and child are in the firing line when they get up to a bad mood.

    Left wing politicians - Jacinda among them - welcome them in with open arms, but little do they know what they are getting us into.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshland View Post
    The ground realities are that Muslims largely arrive on our shores from environments which don't allow them to assimilate to Western culture. The inevitable friction that results ensures that they operate with a massive chip on their shoulders, and every man, woman and child are in the firing line when they get up to a bad mood.

    Left wing politicians - Jacinda among them - welcome them in with open arms, but little do they know what they are getting us into.
    What have Muslims done in NZ? Infact the current attack in France wasn't from a French Muslim either. The football team alone which France brags about has a lot of Muslims in it and have always had it. Muslims definitely haven't done what the French did in Algeria. Rape and slaughter locals in their tens and thousands.

    I can't believe such rabid racist nonsense is posted here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshland View Post
    The ground realities are that Muslims largely arrive on our shores from environments which don't allow them to assimilate to Western culture. The inevitable friction that results ensures that they operate with a massive chip on their shoulders, and every man, woman and child are in the firing line when they get up to a bad mood.

    Left wing politicians - Jacinda among them - welcome them in with open arms, but little do they know what they are getting us into.
    Not all muslims are like that.

    Whats needed is to make sure countries lay down their rules strictly and enforce it strictly. You enforce the law and make example out of those who break it, rest will realise the consequences.

    A country shouldn't be apologetic of enforcing its laws.

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    A third person has been arrested in connection with the Nice terror attack, according to Reuters.

    Three people were killed on Thursday in the attack at the Notre Dame church in the southern city.

    A police source told Reuters that the latest arrest took place on Friday. The person being held is said to be a 35-year-old Nice resident suspected of meeting with the presumed attacker the day before the atrocity.

    Flowers and candles have been placed outside the church in the French city of Nice where three people were stabbed to death.

    The two previously arrested were 21-year-old suspect Brahim Aouissaoui, and a 47-year-old man who was detained on suspicion of having been in contact with Aouissaoui.

    France's President Emmanuel Macron deployed thousands of soldiers to protect sites including places of worship and schools following the attack.

    Tunisian Aouissaoui was reportedly unknown to security services, having arrived in Europe by boat last month.

    Tensions have been rising in France around cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad which Muslims say are offensive.

    The attack in Nice occurred almost two weeks after Samuel Paty - a teacher in Paris - was decapitated by an 18-year-old Chechen after showing pupils a cartoon in a lesson on freedom of expression.

    France has been the location of a string of terrorist attacks in recent years.

    There have been protests around the world in countries like Lebanon, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Somalia, with calls to boycott French products.

    Following the attack, president Macron said: "We will not give any ground."

    He added that France had been attacked "over our values, for our taste for freedom, for the ability on our soil to have freedom of belief".


    https://news.sky.com/story/nice-terr...bbing-12119416


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    Six in custody over Nice church attack in France

    PARIS (Reuters) - Two more men were arrested in connection with a knife attack that left three dead at a church in Nice, bringing the number of people in custody to six as investigators look at the suspected assailant’s last known contacts, a French police source said.

    The latest arrests took place on Saturday, the source said.

    An assailant shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest) beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a church in Nice on Thursday, in France’s second deadly knife attack in two weeks with a suspected Islamist motive.

    The suspected attacker, a 21-year-old from Tunisia, was shot by police and is now in critical condition in a hospital.

    The latest arrests in the case involved two men from the town of Grasse, near the southern French coast close to Nice, BFM TV reported.

    France’s chief anti-terrorism prosecutor has said the man suspected of carrying out the Nice attack had arrived in Europe on Sept. 20 in Lampedusa, the Italian island off Tunisia.

    Investigators in Italy are also stepping up enquiries about the suspected assailant’s movements and contacts on the island of Sicily. They believe he may have spent time there after going from Lampedusa to Bari in early October on a ship used to quarantine migrants, judicial sources said.

    In Bari, he is believed to have been handed an expulsion order obliging him to leave Italy within a week, the judicial sources said. Investigators are looking into the possibility the suspected attacker stayed in the Sicilian town of Alcamo for a 10 day period, the sources added.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN27H176


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    French prosecutors: Nice church attack and teacher's beheading are linked

    PARIS (Reuters) - The man suspected of knifing to death three people in a church in the French city of Nice had on his telephone pictures of the man who beheaded a middle school teacher near Paris 13 days earlier, prosecutors said on Friday.

    The discovery of the photos on the phone of 21-year-old Tunisian Brahim al-Aouissaoui, who was shot and wounded by police in the Oct. 29 attack, could indicate a common motive behind the two attacks.

    Anti-terrorist prosecutors said in a media statement that an examination of Aouissaoui’s mobile phone had also revealed images linked to the Islamic State group. The prosecutors did not say what they were or how they were linked to the group.

    The middle school teacher, Samuel Paty, was killed by a young man of Chechen origin who, before the attack, recorded a message saying he wanted to punish Paty for showing pupils caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in a civics class.

    The attacker, partially identified by prosecutors as Abdoulakh A., was shot dead.

    It was the latest in a litany of violence spanning several years in France linked to the cartoons. Muslims see them as blasphemous, while French officials have defended the right to publish them, saying it is a matter of freedom of expression.

    Until now, the only connection prosecutors had drawn between the Paris attack and the Nice church attack was the method employed. In both cases, the attackers used a large knife and beheaded, or tried to behead, their victims.

    The knife attack in Nice prompted the government to raise the security alert for all French territory to its highest level and President Emmanuel Macron said more soldiers would be deployed to protect key sites such as places of worship and schools.

    France and Germany pushed on Tuesday to tighten European Union borders to head off what Macron called the “threat of terrorism” after suspected Islamist militants killed eight people in Paris, Nice and Vienna within a month.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN27T2Q7


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