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    Jeremy Corbyn readmitted as a member of the Labour Party following the end of his suspension

    He was given the opportunity to withdraw statements regarding antisemitism but would not.

    Labour take a huge stride towards government.

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    Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn after an inquiry found the party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" during his time in charge.

    The UK's human rights watchdog identified "serious failings" in dealing with anti-Jewish racism.

    And the watchdog said Mr Corbyn's office had "politically interfered" in the complaints process.

    Mr Corbyn insisted he did "everything [he] could" to tackle the issue.

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    When your opponent becomes your boss it's time to take a hike cause this can always happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    He was given the opportunity to withdraw statements regarding antisemitism but would not.

    Labour take a huge stride towards government.
    What statements did he make about anti semitism?

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    The kind of coordinated campaign that was unleashed against Corbyn was quite shocking. Before the election and long after. This is the fate of politicians who want to do good, of which Bernie is also a part of.

    All Corbyn did was attack Israel for its genocidal policies against the Palestinians and the Jewish lobby did everything within their power to smear his name as an anti-semite. They likely also can't stomach the fact that he has been a staunch supporter the Palestinian cause.

    Corbyn is one of the few politicians in the world who has constantly stood up for the ideals of humanity and has often been on the right side of history. Whether its his early activism for the anti-apartheid movement, his denunciation of the war in Iraq or his condemnation of India's actions in Kashmir. It's profoundly sad to see the way in which he is treated even when his political career is over.

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    Dumped by the electorate and now by his party.

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    Zionists at it again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    What statements did he make about anti semitism?
    Specifically, he said he did not agree with all the findings of the ECHR’s investigation of antisemitism within the Labour Party. That got him suspended. Starmer is trying to win back the trust of Jews lost on Corbyn’s watch, and accepting the report in toto is part of that trust-rebuilding exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    The kind of coordinated campaign that was unleashed against Corbyn was quite shocking. Before the election and long after. This is the fate of politicians who want to do good, of which Bernie is also a part of.

    All Corbyn did was attack Israel for its genocidal policies against the Palestinians and the Jewish lobby did everything within their power to smear his name as an anti-semite. They likely also can't stomach the fact that he has been a staunch supporter the Palestinian cause.

    Corbyn is one of the few politicians in the world who has constantly stood up for the ideals of humanity and has often been on the right side of history. Whether its his early activism for the anti-apartheid movement, his denunciation of the war in Iraq or his condemnation of India's actions in Kashmir. It's profoundly sad to see the way in which he is treated even when his political career is over.
    No, what he did was fail to stamp out anti-Jewish racism in the Labour Party which had sprung up during his leadership. He equivocated repeatedly when he should have been firm and unequivocal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    No, what he did was fail to stamp out anti-Jewish racism in the Labour Party which had sprung up during his leadership. He equivocated repeatedly when he should have been firm and unequivocal.
    What specific anti-Jew comments were made?

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    A shameful day for British politics, the Zionists have launched a concentrated attack on corbyn the day he took over the leadership of the Labour party hence he was always fighting a losing battle.
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    I will never vote for Labour again who now clearly are majority right wing and Zionist sympathizers

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    Lol, this IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!!

    Our current PM called Muslim women "letterboxes". Islamophobia is equally rife in the conservative party. But no, Former Labour leader has to be suspended because a few Jewish people didn't like "freedom of speech" being exercised against them.


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    Great and I guess Boris Johnson is going to be suspended next for his overtly Islamaphobic comments as well racist things he said against Blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    Great and I guess Boris Johnson is going to be suspended next for his overtly Islamaphobic comments as well racist things he said against Blacks.
    Don't hold your breath! Lol.

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    Labour suspends Jeremy Corbyn over reaction to anti-Semitism report

    Labour has suspended Jeremy Corbyn from the party over his reaction to a highly critical report on anti-Semitism.

    The human rights watchdog found Labour responsible for "unlawful" harassment and discrimination during Mr Corbyn's years in charge of the party.

    But Mr Corbyn later said the scale of anti-Semitism within Labour had been "dramatically overstated" by opponents.

    A Labour spokesman said he was being suspended "for a failure to retract" his words.

    Mr Corbyn reacted by calling the move "political" and promised to "strongly contest" it.

    The suspension will remain in place while the party carries out an investigation into his remarks.

    Sir Keir, who became Labour leader in April, said the publication of the Equality and Human Rights Commission's (EHRC) report had brought "a day of shame" for the party.

    The report found Labour responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act:

    Political interference in anti-Semitism complaints

    Failure to provide adequate training to those handling anti-Semitism complaints

    Harassment, including the use of anti-Semitic tropes and suggesting that complaints of anti-Semitism were fake or smears

    The EHRC found evidence of 23 instances of "inappropriate involvement" by Mr Corbyn's office, included staff influencing decisions on suspensions or whether to investigate a claim.

    Sir Keir promised to implement the report's recommendations "as soon as possible in the New Year" and to change Labour's culture.

    Responding to the EHRC's findings, Mr Corbyn said he was "always determined to eliminate all forms of racism" and "regretted it took longer to deliver... change than it should".

    But he claimed his team had "acted to speed up, not hinder the process", and that the scale of anti-Semitism within Labour had been "dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegitto1 View Post
    Lol, this IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!!

    Our current PM called Muslim women "letterboxes". Islamophobia is equally rife in the conservative party. But no, Former Labour leader has to be suspended because a few Jewish people didn't like "freedom of speech" being exercised against them.
    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    Great and I guess Boris Johnson is going to be suspended next for his overtly Islamaphobic comments as well racist things he said against Blacks.
    But the Tories don’t care so won’t do anything. Whereas Labour try to be anti racist good guys. And it wasn’t “freedom of speech being exercised” by the antiSemitism, it was racist bullying of Labour members.
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    Once again demonstrating why Judaism is bestowed extra protection by the law because Jews are considered a race.

    No other religion has this protection by UK/EU law.

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    Luciana Bergen’s statement:


    I am grateful to the EHRC for its comprehensive investigation, which today finds the the Labour Party guilty of harassment and committing unlawful acts relating to its Jewish members.

    As the report confirms, Anti-Jewish discrimination was a real and widespread phenomenon across the party, from top to bottom. It was not invented, concocted or exaggerated. It took place in plain sight.

    Party processes gave the antisemites cover. The party facilitated a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation against Jewish people from within its ranks. At every step of the way, Jeremy Corbyn enabled this to happen.

    In my capacity as the Parliamentary Chair of the Jewish Labour Movement I spoke out, I intervened and I made representations on countless occasions. And yet things got worse rather than better.

    I left the Labour Party 18 months ago because I could no longer represent a political party that despite dedicating my adult life to, I had come to the sickening conclusion was institutionally racist. My former political home had descended into such a dark place, betraying the values of equality for all, and anti-racism, that Labour has traditionally championed. I had become embarrassed and ashamed to be part of what Labour had become.

    My own experience was an unceasing catalogue of deeply disturbing incidents. I was subject to sustained levels of online and in person antisemitism from party members, including accusations of conspiracy, bad faith, general malevolence and dual loyalty. The volume and toxicity of this abuse was particularly bad during my last two years. For months Party HQ knew about a physical threat made against me by a party member but failed to inform either me or the police about it. A different party member was convicted of harassment towards me. I received hand delivered correspondence to my office signed off by supporters of Jeremy Corbyn that said I would have acid thrown on me and I would be stabbed and raped. I had to take extensive personal safety measures, limiting my freedom of movement. It was relentless.

    All I ever wanted was to serve my constituents and make a difference with my campaigns, especially in the fields of mental health and public health. As a result of these catastrophic failings – laid bare today – I ended up being defined by the antisemitism crisis.

    The cumulative impact of these occurrences didn’t just come at a personal cost but deeply affected my family and dedicated team. And yet I count myself lucky, as I know there are others for whom their experience took an even greater toll. I will forever be grateful to the people that stood by me, my family, my team, other Jewish Labour Party members and the British Jewish community.

    I welcome the EHRC’s recommendations, and the commitment today from Labour’s new leader Keir Starmer, to implement them urgently and in full. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the party’s governance structures, so that no-one will ever be discriminated against or harassed again because of factional control of the party’s mechanisms. I hope to see decisive leadership in the coming weeks and months.

    It is in the interests, not only of the Labour Party, but of our entire democratic system and political culture, that left-wing antisemitism is beaten back, and out of the heart of Labour. It is critical that Labour becomes a bulwark against racism, not an incubator. Jewish members have been made to feel intimidated and threatened. MPs have been blocked from their duties by harassment and hatred. A party machine has enabled institutional racism in a once-great political party. There is a long road ahead before Labour can recover from this shameful period in its history.

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    Is Owen Jones a Zionist too?



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    Genuinley disgusted by the treatment of Corbyn. I reckon if he set up his own party he could snatch a few seats around the country.

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    Incredible to think that Corbyn was running to be the Prime Minister of our country less than a year ago. And a couple of years before that, he got a huge vote share for Labour and packed out Glastonbury. His rapid rise to national fame and subsequent fall from grace makes for quite a striking story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Incredible to think that Corbyn was running to be the Prime Minister of our country less than a year ago. And a couple of years before that, he got a huge vote share for Labour and packed out Glastonbury. His rapid rise to national fame and subsequent fall from grace makes for quite a striking story.
    Not striking at all but pretty obvious. JC stood against the establishment and he paid the price through bias media reporting. This pattern is observable throughout Western political history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    Genuinley disgusted by the treatment of Corbyn. I reckon if he set up his own party he could snatch a few seats around the country.
    I hope he does set one up, it will quicken the purge of CLPs. I watched Kinnock purge the Trotskyists on his path to make Labour electable after the 1983 disaster, and now I have to watch Starmer do it. Would make it much easier if they up sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I hope he does set one up, it will quicken the purge of CLPs. I watched Kinnock purge the Trotskyists on his path to make Labour electable after the 1983 disaster, and now I have to watch Starmer do it. Would make it much easier if they up sticks.
    If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxist, the media -having tasted Blood- would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public.

    Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda.

    But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years.” -Tony Benn

    Starmers purge will just make a Tory-lite Labour that will do nothing for working people.

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    Sir Keir Starmer is married to Victoria Alexander who is Jewish. His son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother, and Sir Keir Starmer attends Jewish religious functions and celebrations with his family.

    Sir Keir Starmer has stated in the past that "I don't describe myself as a Zionist but I understand and I sympathise and I support Zionism…but of course we have family in Israel and that is part of my family."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Once again demonstrating why Judaism is bestowed extra protection by the law because Jews are considered a race.

    No other religion has this protection by UK/EU law.
    And when a non-Jew converts to Judaism, then under UK law, they undergo a miracle of nature and change their race to become a member of the Jewish race.

    Similar for non-Sikhs converting to Sikhism in the UK as Sikhs are also classified as a race under UK law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxist, the media -having tasted Blood- would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public.

    Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda.

    But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years.” -Tony Benn

    Starmers purge will just make a Tory-lite Labour that will do nothing for working people.
    Socialism has won just four general elections since WW2. Last was 1974. Socialism was squeezed off the national agenda 41 years ago. Last December, Labour was knocked back to 1935 Parliamentary levels. Socialism is dead here.

    Your Labour right / SDP sounds to me like ideal government.

    No clue what Benn, an increasingly marginalised figure within Labour who inexplicably achieved messiah status after his death, meant by far right in Europe. Most EU national governments are centrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Socialism has won just four general elections since WW2. Last was 1974. Socialism was squeezed off the national agenda 41 years ago. Last December, Labour was knocked back to 1935 Parliamentary levels. Socialism is dead here.

    Your Labour right / SDP sounds to me like ideal government.

    No clue what Benn, an increasingly marginalised figure within Labour who inexplicably achieved messiah status after his death, meant by far right in Europe. Most EU national governments are centrist.
    All bets are off when it comes to the politics of the future. Who would have thought in the 50's and 60's that in a few decades most of Europe will have right-wing governments, some bordering on Nazism?

    Who know what the situation will be in a year or two when the Govt. has to start clawing back all the money spent during the pandemic, or, heck, even the unemployment rate in the next 6 months when furlough is over and mass redundancies start, This is on top of Brexit.
    And all this under the rising power of social media.

    So don't predict future politics on the basis of the politics of the past 100 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    No, what he did was fail to stamp out anti-Jewish racism in the Labour Party which had sprung up during his leadership. He equivocated repeatedly when he should have been firm and unequivocal.
    So that makes him an anti-semite? Just accept that the campaign against Corbyn is devoid on any factual basis. It was co-ordinated by the media and pro-Israeli groups, and it was successful. The problem is that the media in the US and UK is so powerful that even smear campaign with no factual basis can completely convince people of one thing, and destroy a person's political career.

    Here are some facts just btw since you claim Corbyn did nothing to stamp out ant-Jewish racism.

    An extensive 2017 survey of anti-Semitism conducted by Jewish Policy Research, including that found amongst left-wingers. The think tank concluded that, “Anti-Semitism is no more prevalent on the left than in the general population.”

    A cross-party Home Affairs Select Committee in Westminster, was tasked with looking into levels of anti-Semitism across the UK, also in 2017. It concluded that,”…there exists no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of anti-Semitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party.”

    YouGov data from 2018 on anti-Semitic attitudes indicates that they had actually “reduced” in the Labour Party under Corbyn. Labour’s own Chakrabarti Inquiry in 2016 looked into the accusations of anti-Semitism in the party and found no significant problem. In the same year, Channel 4’s Dispatches programme conducted a six-month undercover investigation of left-wing political organisation Momentum allied to Labour, looking for evidence of anti-Semitism, among other things. None was found; after six months of undercover investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    All bets are off when it comes to the politics of the future. Who would have thought in the 50's and 60's that in a few decades most of Europe will have right-wing governments, some bordering on Nazism?

    Who know what the situation will be in a year or two when the Govt. has to start clawing back all the money spent during the pandemic, or, heck, even the unemployment rate in the next 6 months when furlough is over and mass redundancies start, This is on top of Brexit.
    Most? They don’t. Hungary does, but nowhere else. Benn was wrong.

    Labour will win the next election for the reasons given in your second paragraph, just as Trump is about to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    So that makes him an anti-semite? Just accept that the campaign against Corbyn is devoid on any factual basis. It was co-ordinated by the media and pro-Israeli groups, and it was successful. The problem is that the media in the US and UK is so powerful that even smear campaign with no factual basis can completely convince people of one thing, and destroy a person's political career.

    Here are some facts just btw since you claim Corbyn did nothing to stamp out ant-Jewish racism.

    An extensive 2017 survey of anti-Semitism conducted by Jewish Policy Research, including that found amongst left-wingers. The think tank concluded that, “Anti-Semitism is no more prevalent on the left than in the general population.”

    A cross-party Home Affairs Select Committee in Westminster, was tasked with looking into levels of anti-Semitism across the UK, also in 2017. It concluded that,”…there exists no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of anti-Semitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party.”

    YouGov data from 2018 on anti-Semitic attitudes indicates that they had actually “reduced” in the Labour Party under Corbyn. Labour’s own Chakrabarti Inquiry in 2016 looked into the accusations of anti-Semitism in the party and found no significant problem. In the same year, Channel 4’s Dispatches programme conducted a six-month undercover investigation of left-wing political organisation Momentum allied to Labour, looking for evidence of anti-Semitism, among other things. None was found; after six months of undercover investigation.
    Please stop misquoting me.

    I did not “claim Corbyn did nothing“ - he commissioned the Chakrabarti report - I said he failed to stamp out antisemitism in Labour.

    Corbyn himself: “We recognise that anti-Semitism has occurred in pockets within the Labour Party, causing pain and hurt to our Jewish community in the Labour Party and the rest of the country. I am sincerely sorry for the pain which has been caused, and pledge to redouble my efforts to bring this anxiety to an end"


    The Equality and Human Rights Commission is not a “campaign against Corbyn”, it is an autonomous group set up by Labour when they were last in power. Their report:

    https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...n-labour-party

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    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has told Sky News he was "disappointed" in his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn's response to a damning antisemitism report - but has insisted there is "no reason for a civil war" in the party.

    Mr Corbyn was suspended from Labour on Thursday - a move he condemned as "political intervention" - after he claimed that antisemitism in the party was "dramatically overstated for political reasons".


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    Big loss to the British socialist movement. Whether you agree with it or not, you can't deny he at least was an honest representative.

    I don't for one minute think he was anti-semitic either, there was a campaign to smear him which had all the weight of the media behind it. Sad day for British politics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxist, the media -having tasted Blood- would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public.

    Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda.

    But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years.” -Tony Benn

    Starmers purge will just make a Tory-lite Labour that will do nothing for working people.
    It’s an interesting study in the steps that human beings feel they must take in order to seize greater power.

    Slinging out Corbyn will go down like a lead balloon with a small faction of left-wing loyalists and will turn them off Labour forever — but in terms of an overall net gain, early polls are already showing that the vast majority of voters (and even a majority of Labour voters) approve of the decision to suspend him.

    It’s one of the more ruthless decisions within British politics that I can remember in recent times.

    Keir Starmer will seemingly take any action that he deems necessary in order to elevate himself to the position of Prime Minister (and beyond). He is eerily Blairesque in a number of ways.

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    The defenders of Zionism are out in full swing.

    Trojan horse move, they don't care about JC, nor the Labour party, they are just here to ensure the Zionist message is not lost. OP included.
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    Cut it however you like. Fact of the matter is that Israel supporters and Israel backed and financed groups, in conjunction with vested interests that were fearful of a socialist govt, embarked upon a character assassination spree against Jeremy Corbyn. And the British media (largely owned by the same vested interests) were more than happy to play their part.
    It is interesting to note that many former Labour MP's who claimed that Corbyn was anti-semitic, and who worked to undermine Corbyn from within, have been rewarded by the Tories, including some who have been made peers in the House of Lords for their back stabbing of Corbyn


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    Corbyn is / was / always will be a standup guy!

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    Coronavirus has exposed some fault lines with capitalism, during this period the state has had to intervene pretty extensively to keep the country going. Socialism might still have a part to play in the future, would have been good to have someone who fervently believed in it's values still in the Labour party. Starmer might be all well and good, but I'd be worried he'd sell out and cave under the media pressure just like Blair did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has told Sky News he was "disappointed" in his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn's response to a damning antisemitism report - but has insisted there is "no reason for a civil war" in the party.

    Mr Corbyn was suspended from Labour on Thursday - a move he condemned as "political intervention" - after he claimed that antisemitism in the party was "dramatically overstated for political reasons".
    Overstated by the EHCR? Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Cut it however you like. Fact of the matter is that Israel supporters and Israel backed and financed groups, in conjunction with vested interests that were fearful of a socialist govt, embarked upon a character assassination spree against Jeremy Corbyn. And the British media (largely owned by the same vested interests) were more than happy to play their part.
    It is interesting to note that many former Labour MP's who claimed that Corbyn was anti-semitic, and who worked to undermine Corbyn from within, have been rewarded by the Tories, including some who have been made peers in the House of Lords for their back stabbing of Corbyn
    Red herring fallacy. This is about the EHCR report, Corbyn’s response to it and subsequent suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman View Post
    Corbyn is / was / always will be a standup guy!
    Who is he standing up for here?

    Starmer and Lammy are standing up for Labour by taking the EHCR report on the chin, and will put policies in place to redress the lawbreaking under the Equality Act 2010 it revealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Who is he standing up for here?

    Starmer and Lammy are standing up for Labour by taking the EHCR report on the chin, and will put policies in place to redress the lawbreaking under the Equality Act 2010 it revealed.
    Ah, the Equality Act. Which states that Jews (and Sikhs) are a race. Thereby implying that an individual who converts to Judaism or Sikhism undergoes a miracle of nature and changes their race upon converting.


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    There's no doubt Corbyn was the victim of a vicious assault from the right of the Parliamentary Party, elements within Party HQ which sought to sabotage their own election campaign, and the conservative media who used the issue of Anti-Semitism to fatally undermine his leadership. The issue of Anti-Semitism was weaponised to silence criticism of Israel, especially by right-wing Jewish groups claiming to speak for British Jews as a whole.

    It's absurd to say Corbyn is personally Anti-Semitic. However that's not to say Corbyn didn't mishandle certain aspects of his response. The mural controversy, the wreath controversy and the past comment about Jews not understanding "British irony" was damaging, and the Labour Party bureaucracy was too slow in processing those guilty of actual bigoted abuse. There were some within the Party on social media who in their legitimate criticisms of the State of Israel veered into abuse of Jews as a people which was unacceptable.

    I think Starmer knows he has to be seen as making amends with the Jewish constituencies, to swallow this EHRC report and move on for the sake of Labour's electoral prospects. Comparisons to Blair are premature at this stage as Starmer is not in a position to be judged on actual policy yet. Suspension may seem harsh but is a powerful symbolic gesture - and Corbyn's allies are in no position dictate Party policy given their woeful showing in the December 2019 election.

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    Best post on the thread @Markhor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Please stop misquoting me.

    I did not “claim Corbyn did nothing“ - he commissioned the Chakrabarti report - I said he failed to stamp out antisemitism in Labour.

    Corbyn himself: “We recognise that anti-Semitism has occurred in pockets within the Labour Party, causing pain and hurt to our Jewish community in the Labour Party and the rest of the country. I am sincerely sorry for the pain which has been caused, and pledge to redouble my efforts to bring this anxiety to an end"


    The Equality and Human Rights Commission is not a “campaign against Corbyn”, it is an autonomous group set up by Labour when they were last in power. Their report:

    https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...n-labour-party
    I urge you to hear what the late anthropologist David Graeber said about Corbyn and this whole row before his passing. The fact that this has been made an issue specific to Corbyn and his "failure to root out anti-Semitism in Labor" is laughable because anyone who thinks rationally knows that something like anti-Semitism is a societal issue in the UK, it exists in pockets of English society just as racism and Islamophobia does. Corbyn was targeted and has been for the last 5 odd years. The attempt has been to paint him as an anti-Semite who condones these actions within his party, and most of the articles have been focused on peddling this perception. It's a classic example of inflating an otherwise minor matter and using it to smear a political career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I urge you to hear what the late anthropologist David Graeber said about Corbyn and this whole row before his passing. The fact that this has been made an issue specific to Corbyn and his "failure to root out anti-Semitism in Labor" is laughable because anyone who thinks rationally knows that something like anti-Semitism is a societal issue in the UK, it exists in pockets of English society just as racism and Islamophobia does. Corbyn was targeted and has been for the last 5 odd years. The attempt has been to paint him as an anti-Semite who condones these actions within his party, and most of the articles have been focused on peddling this perception. It's a classic example of inflating an otherwise minor matter and using it to smear a political career.
    Ah, the “but everyone else did it too” defence. You’re setting the bar really low here. The Labour Party is supposed to be better than society as a whole, a safe space for all races and religions.

    Growth of antisemitic incidents in Labour began on Corbyn’s watch. I don’t believe he is an antisemite (though interestingly, some Jewish MPs and ex-MPs do believe that), but he was not able to shut the antisemitism down.

    Forget all the smearing for a moment and look at the EHRC report stating that the Labour Party has broken the law, committed acts of harassment and discrimination, failed to effectively deal with these and in some cases politically interfered with internal disciplinary processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I hope he does set one up, it will quicken the purge of CLPs. I watched Kinnock purge the Trotskyists on his path to make Labour electable after the 1983 disaster, and now I have to watch Starmer do it. Would make it much easier if they up sticks.
    First he boots out Rebecca Long-Bailey who was his rival for the leadership, and next he boots the previous leader. Starmer is on an absolute roll.

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    These last few years will go down as a seminal moment in British politics.


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    I think Corbyn's problem was he is too diplomatic and never takes a stand on anything. Sure, that makes you everyone's best friend but when vultures are swooping down in times like these, you're in the line of fire.

    Ditto with Brexit - check out the debates he had with Boris before the election. Boris pegged his flag and drilled his point home while Corbyn was dilly-dallying at best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Ah, the “but everyone else did it too” defence. You’re setting the bar really low here. The Labour Party is supposed to be better than society as a whole, a safe space for all races and religions.

    Growth of antisemitic incidents in Labour began on Corbyn’s watch. I don’t believe he is an antisemite (though interestingly, some Jewish MPs and ex-MPs do believe that), but he was not able to shut the antisemitism down.

    Forget all the smearing for a moment and look at the EHRC report stating that the Labour Party has broken the law, committed acts of harassment and discrimination, failed to effectively deal with these and in some cases politically interfered with internal disciplinary processes.
    None of this matters because the net result of all of this is peddling the perception that Corbyn is an anti-semite. I have read the report, there is nothing in there that conclusively suggests that Corbyn is to blame anymore than all the other Labor leaders.

    But the crux of this amounts to the inflation of a relatively minor issue, something that should no way dominate the news the way it has in recent years. The report came out recently but this been an issue for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    None of this matters because the net result of all of this is peddling the perception that Corbyn is an anti-semite. I have read the report, there is nothing in there that conclusively suggests that Corbyn is to blame anymore than all the other Labor leaders.

    But the crux of this amounts to the inflation of a relatively minor issue, something that should no way dominate the news the way it has in recent years. The report came out recently but this been an issue for years.
    Starmer was on the front bench with Corbyn; he didn't say a thing then!

    Witch-hunt if there ever was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    I think Corbyn's problem was he is too diplomatic and never takes a stand on anything. Sure, that makes you everyone's best friend but when vultures are swooping down in times like these, you're in the line of fire.

    Ditto with Brexit - check out the debates he had with Boris before the election. Boris pegged his flag and drilled his point home while Corbyn was dilly-dallying at best.
    Corbyn is a brexit supporter. He got pushed into a remain position and second referendum stance by his party particularly by Starmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Socialism has won just four general elections since WW2. Last was 1974. Socialism was squeezed off the national agenda 41 years ago. Last December, Labour was knocked back to 1935 Parliamentary levels. Socialism is dead here.

    Your Labour right / SDP sounds to me like ideal government.

    No clue what Benn, an increasingly marginalised figure within Labour who inexplicably achieved messiah status after his death, meant by far right in Europe. Most EU national governments are centrist.
    A strong leftist movement in labour may not have been enough to win elections, but it certaintly helped ensure party policy didn't move too far to the right either.

    Starmer has already dismissed rebecca long bailey, removed people from their positions for voting against the war crimes bill and now dismissed corbyn in an attempt to remove all potential dissent. This will remove the party from its base considerably.

    Benn was partly right imo. The right has had a greater presence in politics in Europe ( particularly France and Italy) than it did for a long time in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    It’s an interesting study in the steps that human beings feel they must take in order to seize greater power.

    Slinging out Corbyn will go down like a lead balloon with a small faction of left-wing loyalists and will turn them off Labour forever — but in terms of an overall net gain, early polls are already showing that the vast majority of voters (and even a majority of Labour voters) approve of the decision to suspend him.

    It’s one of the more ruthless decisions within British politics that I can remember in recent times.

    Keir Starmer will seemingly take any action that he deems necessary in order to elevate himself to the position of Prime Minister (and beyond). He is eerily Blairesque in a number of ways.
    He is an establishment politician. Slightly more palatable than the Etonians but not too different.

    Blairs Labour wasn't a socialist party but was a party with socialists in it. Figures like Prescott maintained links with the traditional vote base.

    Starmers purge seens to be a complete removal of socialists which is beyond what Blair did.

    Boris wont be around in the next election and the Tories will likely present a softer candidate ( perhaps Sunak). Voters will be given a choice between moderate tories or a labour party that doesnt really stand for much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    He is an establishment politician. Slightly more palatable than the Etonians but not too different.

    Blairs Labour wasn't a socialist party but was a party with socialists in it. Figures like Prescott maintained links with the traditional vote base.

    Starmers purge seens to be a complete removal of socialists which is beyond what Blair did.

    Boris wont be around in the next election and the Tories will likely present a softer candidate ( perhaps Sunak). Voters will be given a choice between moderate tories or a labour party that doesnt really stand for much.
    Starmer's leadership election platform was well to the left of Blair's in 1994. Obviously it remains to be seen how much of it survives COVID-19, but he signed up to most of Corbyn's economic policies.

    His journey is in many ways different to Blair. Blair as a young man never associated with leftist causes or was even particularly political.

    Starmer however was a member of the East Surrey Young Socialists, edited the magazine Socialist Alternatives, protested at Wapping with striking print workers in the 80s, gave free legal advice to Anti-Poll Tax protesters, and a legal opinion against the 2003 Iraq War.

    I think on social issues Starmer will adopt a more conservative tone because at the last election, especially in Northern England, many associated Corbyn with his support for the IRA and thought of him and Abbott as too metropolitan and too liberal.

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    Another casualty of the Brexit farce.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Starmer was on the front bench with Corbyn; he didn't say a thing then!

    Witch-hunt if there ever was one.
    Starmer seems like another Blair to me. He's a yes man. He seems like someone who could tow the line without offending anyone who could hurt their vote bank. Already he has held meetings with pro-Indian groups and towed the Indian line on Kashmir. He has also been quick to condemn Corbyn and position himself as someone who "will tear out the poison of antisemitism by its roots" aswell as a pro-Israel politician, so he can be in the good graces of the same Jewish groups that mobilized the witch-hunt against Corbyn.
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    Corbyn seems to be a victim of his own mild nature and excessive diplomacy. I agree with @Varun.

    Corbyn was too scared of his own party to take any clear stance on Brexit last year and the voters punished him for it. (whereas he “came out” for a softer Brexit in 2017 and got a much larger vote share.)

    Also when he was accused of antisemitism, and I don’t believe that he is an antisemite btw, all he could say repeatedly was that he is “against all forms of racism” and “has been a lifelong anti-racist” which is honestly just too vague and wishy-washy a response when a particular kind of racism is being highlighted to someone repeatedly. He was evasive, as opposed to being strong and crystal-clear in his rebuttals.

    He was just not ruthless enough for the intense, chaotic and cutthroat space of British politics. A weak leader and (I’m sorry to say) quite a weak man as well.
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    Agree , Jeremy corbyn was at best a back bencher and with the hostile climate he was surrounded with as a leader of the Labour party his every move was scrutinised with Hugh negativity, even though a fantastic human being who championed equality .

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    Corbyn (29 Oct): "The scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons"

    Corbyn (17 Nov): "To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither 'exaggerated' nor 'overstated'"


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    He’s back.


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    Labor party is such a mess, they should learn from Democrats how to get their leftists in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Corbyn (29 Oct): "The scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons"

    Corbyn (17 Nov): "To be clear, concerns about antisemitism are neither 'exaggerated' nor 'overstated'"
    He has climbed down, which suits Sir Keir as the threat of internecine war from the populist left has receded.

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    Corbyn has climbed down and will now fall into line on the backbenches — his lay supporters will also be feeling grateful at his return — and meanwhile the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs have received a robust warning that any further dissent will see them quickly slung out of the back door.

    All in all, it’s another political win for Starmer to be honest.

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    This won’t please the corbyn faction of the Labour Party.






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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Corbyn has climbed down and will now fall into line on the backbenches — his lay supporters will also be feeling grateful at his return — and meanwhile the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs have received a robust warning that any further dissent will see them quickly slung out of the back door.

    All in all, it’s another political win for Starmer to be honest.
    Starmer should not restore the whip though. Corbyn has been a disloyal loose cannon for decades. Really, Blair should have expelled him before the personality cult developed.

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    Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will not have the party's whip restored, his successor Sir Keir Starmer has announced.

    It means that Mr Corbyn will not officially be a Labour MP.


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    Starmer really means business with this.

    It displays a streak of ruthlessness that goes way beyond even Blair in terms of management of the PLP.

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    British politics in dissaray, no party fills the voter with any confidence, but out of the two I'd take Boris Johnson's conservatives over the new Labour any day.

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    Too many posts of Corbyn this , Corbyn that....

    Bottom line here is very clear. Zionism has so much power of UK politics.

    This episode showed UK democracy is a farce, a joke and a deception. Its not the people who choose those in power but powerful Zionist groups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Starmer really means business with this.

    It displays a streak of ruthlessness that goes way beyond even Blair in terms of management of the PLP.
    He is a Zionist puppet. Tony Bliar 2.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    He is a Zionist puppet. Tony Bliar 2.
    Agree, the puppet will bow to his pay masters to attack war torn middle eastern or another muslim country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Agree, the puppet will bow to his pay masters to attack war torn middle eastern or another muslim country
    We need a 3rd strong party in the UK. Labour has once again sold out to its Zionist masters. Lib Dems sold out joining the Tory co-olition. A strong new 3rd party will never win up against the machine but at least would speak the truth.

    Thankfully the Brits have had enough of war. Iraq was a wake up call, British army is no longer powerful. I know a lot of Brit soliders, most are a bunch of wimps. Only SAS has skilled fighters now.


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    Zionists have defn done way better for the countries they rule than the ones they don’t.

    Wish India was under actual Zionists than these wannabes. -someday hopefully.

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    Could Corbyn leave Labour, with a few loyalists, and create another party? Think that would split Labour in half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msaaim89 View Post
    Could Corbyn leave Labour, with a few loyalists, and create another party? Think that would split Labour in half.
    That would guarantee a Tory victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    That would guarantee a Tory victory.

    Indeed, but it may be the push required to create a third strong party rather than this constant swap between Labour and Conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msaaim89 View Post
    Indeed, but it may be the push required to create a third strong party rather than this constant swap between Labour and Conservatives.
    In a way it’s not really a constant swap anymore. The Tory Party has had a free run for years, and it was the same before Blair appeared on the scene as well. Since the late 1700s in fact, during the reign of George III, Britain has usually been ruled by the Tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Too many posts of Corbyn this , Corbyn that....

    Bottom line here is very clear. Zionism has so much power of UK politics.

    This episode showed UK democracy is a farce, a joke and a deception. Its not the people who choose those in power but powerful Zionist groups.
    That’s more deflection and hyperbole.

    It’s really simple. The EHRC showed that Labour broke the law, on Corbyn’s watch. Instead of taking responsibility, taking it on the chin, setting an example for his followers, Corbyn deflected. All he had to do was accept the finding of the report in toto, and he would still be a Labour MP.


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