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    "Hoping that Misbah is looking to bring in more youngsters in the upcoming matches" : Waqar Younis

    Pakistan bowling coach, Waqar Younis, speaking to the media:

    "Overall a good performance by Pakistan after we had to bowl first; Our bowlers adjusted well today; We have a young bowling line-up and we have had 2 debuts amongst bowler since the start of the series; We have had Haris Rauf and Musa Khan debut and they are getting better and better; So we are trying to give opportunities in this series to the younger lot so that they settle in and we can have good bench strength; This is because we have some major cricket coming up such as the World Cups and the tour of New Zealand; Trying our best to develop a good team"

    "We play Iftikhar as there is always a need for a sixth bowler and today Imad had a bad day and Itfikhar stepped in and took 5 wickets which must boost his confidence; So if we can get some other all-rounders who can give you an edge in bowling along with their batting so that is always handy; Pakistan has had players like Hafeez, Malik all of whom were batsmen who could bowl which helps in the balance of the side; Wonderful bowling from him today, and we expect the same from him every time he bowls"

    "Shaheen is a wonderful talent without any doubt, he's a great learner and a great listener; He swings the ball at a really good pace; If you are tall and you can swing the ball, can get extra bounce then that gives you a big edge; Since his trip to Australia from last year, he has learnt a lot, he has much better control and is getting better and better; I am really proud of him in the way he is bowling and getting better with time"

    "T20Is, ODIs and Tests are all different formats and good thing about Shaheen Shah Afridi is that he is able to learn and adapt quickly to all those formats; As you would have seen in these ODIs that he has adjusted really well and the way he is taking wickets, he will be a handful for Pakistan in the coming years"

    "In about 6 months or so, we have had the emergence of these new fast-bowlers but its still very difficult to decide which format suits which bowler; Due to Covid-19 we have had the chance to work with a bigger pool of bowlers and you can decide which bowler is suitable for which version of the game"

    "Shaheen Shah Afridi seems to be one for all formats, he is a wicket taker - then we have M Abbas; We also have other youngsters but its difficult to decide how they fit in from format to format; Dont forget they have all come from U19 so they cannot become big bowlers overnight and it takes time; Modern day cricket can be demoralizing or can be good as we saw Shaheen Shah Afridi take wickets in the first ODI - we are trying to prepare all of the bowlers for all kinds of formats"

    "Haider Ali is a wonderful talent as we saw when he played in a T20I and also as we saw today; He plays according to demands of modern day cricket; He is aggressive and he likes to get on with the job; As we know in modern day cricket, any score under 300 is difficult to defend unless someone puts in an exceptional bowling spell; We probably need more of these kinds of batsmen who can play fluent and positive cricket"

    "I am hoping that Misbah is looking to bring in more youngsters in the upcoming matches so that we know who is suited for what format of cricket"

    "First of all I am more concerned about international cricket - as in how can the bowlers be ready to play for Pakistan and I am not that bothered about the leagues; There are policies about playing in leagues as we dont want to deprive these kids from making money; When it comes to granting NOCs, we have to really look at the schedule as in can we allow the bowler to go away, play a league and then expect him to comeback and perform for Pakistan; All these factors are considered before the NOC is granted to play in a league"
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    I would also like him to work with Junaid Khan too. Junaid is pretty good at taking wickets with the new ball or adjusting whether he needs to be aggressive or defensive depending upon the partner. During his last tenure, Junaid was our attack leader from 2014 till that knee injury. Afterwards, he was dropped coldly, and in the preceding matches, Imran Khan, Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha and Mohammad Sami were tried instead.

    Ammad Butt is one I really want to see in international cricket. Has a beautiful action and enjoys the contest. With the bat, he is pretty confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    I would also like him to work with Junaid Khan too. Junaid is pretty good at taking wickets with the new ball or adjusting whether he needs to be aggressive or defensive depending upon the partner. During his last tenure, Junaid was our attack leader from 2014 till that knee injury. Afterwards, he was dropped coldly, and in the preceding matches, Imran Khan, Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha and Mohammad Sami were tried instead.

    Ammad Butt is one I really want to see in international cricket. Has a beautiful action and enjoys the contest. With the bat, he is pretty confident.
    JK is not very good anymore.The guy played U19 cricket in 2007, so basic Maths will tell you that he 32 but more likely to be 34

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    Waqar happy with Shaheen - seems like his best student!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    JK is not very good anymore.The guy played U19 cricket in 2007, so basic Maths will tell you that he 32 but more likely to be 34
    Has he been given a fair chance in international cricket since his partial recovery in 2015??
    He was brought back in Aus, took early wickets where Amir and Hassan couldn't, set the tone for our first ODI win in Aus against Australia in 12 years. Was consistently our second best bowler behind Hasan Ali throughout the Champions Trophy and second highest wicket taker of the tournament. Consistently provided early wickets. Got another injury.
    Was recalled in Asia Cup and played a dead rubber against Bangladesh and took a 4fer. Was dropped again. Played 3 matches in the UAE series against Australia, did considerably fine when everyone struggled. Played 2 matches in the high scoring ODI series against England right before the world cup. The series where not a single bowler was not taken apart, was taken for runs. Then dropped and never been picked again.

    What more can the poor guy do to get selected? Amir has always been treated like a prima donna even when he doesn't deserve it while Junaid gets treated like an outcast.
    Plus it's hard to find motivation when you constantly get dropped and not shown faith in despite doing pretty good in every chance you get.

    Would also like to hear from @Saj and @MenInG regarding this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Has he been given a fair chance in international cricket since his partial recovery in 2015??
    He was brought back in Aus, took early wickets where Amir and Hassan couldn't, set the tone for our first ODI win in Aus against Australia in 12 years. Was consistently our second best bowler behind Hasan Ali throughout the Champions Trophy and second highest wicket taker of the tournament. Consistently provided early wickets. Got another injury.
    Was recalled in Asia Cup and played a dead rubber against Bangladesh and took a 4fer. Was dropped again. Played 3 matches in the UAE series against Australia, did considerably fine when everyone struggled. Played 2 matches in the high scoring ODI series against England right before the world cup. The series where not a single bowler was not taken apart, was taken for runs. Then dropped and never been picked again.

    What more can the poor guy do to get selected? Amir has always been treated like a prima donna even when he doesn't deserve it while Junaid gets treated like an outcast.
    Plus it's hard to find motivation when you constantly get dropped and not shown faith in despite doing pretty good in every chance you get.

    Would also like to hear from @Saj and @MenInG regarding this.
    Maybe the ‘poor’ guy could perform at domestic level, but even that seems past his abilities these days. Always was and always will be a mediocre bowler who was lucky to get away with blatant chucking during his peak in 2012-13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    I would also like him to work with Junaid Khan too. Junaid is pretty good at taking wickets with the new ball or adjusting whether he needs to be aggressive or defensive depending upon the partner. During his last tenure, Junaid was our attack leader from 2014 till that knee injury. Afterwards, he was dropped coldly, and in the preceding matches, Imran Khan, Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha and Mohammad Sami were tried instead.
    Junaid is a dependable bowler but he isn't someone with any stand out features. He isn't going to be able to pick up any further skills now with max 2-3 years left of his career.

    Meanwhile Pakistan have a pool of young bowlers who could potentially develop that pace, bounce and movement which makes them world class. Clearly it'd be criminal to ignore those for workhorse Junaid now, regardless of what injustice may have happened 5 years ago.

    Amir has flopped despite many more chances. But the swing and pace he was able to get early in his career was incomparable to anything Junaid has done and therefore made him well worth a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Waqar happy with Shaheen - seems like his best student!
    teachers shouldnt be judged on how there best students do, but on how much their worst students improve. fwiw shaheen was improving steadily long before waqar was bowling coach. im not sold on waqar as a bowling coach

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    Even Waqar is sick of Misbah's selections.

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    I will never forgive Waqar for recalling Nasir Jamshed from the Norwegian premier league to play as our opener in the 2015 World Cup.

    What was he thinking?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I will never forgive Waqar for recalling Nasir Jamshed from the Norwegian premier league to play as our opener in the 2015 World Cup.

    What was he thinking?!!
    Waqar thinks? 😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I will never forgive Waqar for recalling Nasir Jamshed from the Norwegian premier league to play as our opener in the 2015 World Cup.

    What was he thinking?!!
    That was Unders Misbahs quota. That shows these two doesn’t have any eye for talent or the skill to nourish them. I remember him picking a young team under Azhar Ali and lose all three ODIs getting whitewashed by Bangladesh. Poor planning, strategy, no logic selections, nepotism, doesn’t trust the ability of the good players but surprisingly give more chances to less skilled players. These two have many attributes in common , that is why they cant succeed as captains and now as coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Waqar thinks? ����
    Clearly he wants to come across as an intellectual with his glasses and cringe English

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    I would also like him to work with Junaid Khan too. Junaid is pretty good at taking wickets with the new ball or adjusting whether he needs to be aggressive or defensive depending upon the partner. During his last tenure, Junaid was our attack leader from 2014 till that knee injury. Afterwards, he was dropped coldly, and in the preceding matches, Imran Khan, Rahat Ali, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha and Mohammad Sami were tried instead.

    Ammad Butt is one I really want to see in international cricket. Has a beautiful action and enjoys the contest. With the bat, he is pretty confident.
    JK got mistreated he should have played more games most of his wickets were on flat wickets and due to have amir he want picked as much.ammad butt is good if fahim wasnt given a chance so should ammad butt but hes more batting all rounder I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Maybe the ‘poor’ guy could perform at domestic level, but even that seems past his abilities these days. Always was and always will be a mediocre bowler who was lucky to get away with blatant chucking during his peak in 2012-13.
    Junaid Khan in tests bowled 18 tests out of 22 tests on flat pitches in asia

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    Who is he kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    That was Unders Misbahs quota. That shows these two doesn’t have any eye for talent or the skill to nourish them. I remember him picking a young team under Azhar Ali and lose all three ODIs getting whitewashed by Bangladesh. Poor planning, strategy, no logic selections, nepotism, doesn’t trust the ability of the good players but surprisingly give more chances to less skilled players. These two have many attributes in common , that is why they cant succeed as captains and now as coaches.
    I don’t think it was Misbah’s decision, most definitely it was Waqar Younis trying to make a name for himself.

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    Well surely more youngsters to get a chance tomorrow.

    But the future has to be youth rather than tried and tested failures.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Well surely more youngsters to get a chance tomorrow.

    But the future has to be youth rather than tried and tested failures.
    With Misbah you get exactly what is written on the tin.

    You are giving control to a man who is intelligent and educated, but is deeply conservative, resistant to change, and who believes that an experienced man can do anything better than a young man.

    To you or I, brought up in England, we recognize that a sports team needs to be built upon players in their peak years, with a sprinkling of experience (1 or 2 players over 30) and extreme youth (no more than 1 player under 20).

    Misbah does not recognize any such need for balance. He would consider himself to have an active youth policy if he had 9 players over 30 and 2 under 20, and nobody whatsoever aged 21-29.

    Just look at the EPL. Players like James Ward-Prowse (aged 26) achieve far more than a guy like Wayne Rooney (6 months younger than Azhar Ali) still could.

    I don't know why people expect Misbah to change. This is who he is - he's incapable of changing.

    When you appoint Misbah, you sign up to a team in which you will always:

    - Give a debut to Kashif Bhatti (34) ahead of Zafar Gohar (25).

    - Give a debut to Abid Ali (32) ahead of Sami Aslam (25).

    - Pick Sarfraz Ahmed (33) ahead of Rohail Nazir (19).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    With Misbah you get exactly what is written on the tin.

    You are giving control to a man who is intelligent and educated, but is deeply conservative, resistant to change, and who believes that an experienced man can do anything better than a young man.

    To you or I, brought up in England, we recognize that a sports team needs to be built upon players in their peak years, with a sprinkling of experience (1 or 2 players over 30) and extreme youth (no more than 1 player under 20).

    Misbah does not recognize any such need for balance. He would consider himself to have an active youth policy if he had 9 players over 30 and 2 under 20, and nobody whatsoever aged 21-29.

    Just look at the EPL. Players like James Ward-Prowse (aged 26) achieve far more than a guy like Wayne Rooney (6 months younger than Azhar Ali) still could.

    I don't know why people expect Misbah to change. This is who he is - he's incapable of changing.

    When you appoint Misbah, you sign up to a team in which you will always:

    - Give a debut to Kashif Bhatti (34) ahead of Zafar Gohar (25).

    - Give a debut to Abid Ali (32) ahead of Sami Aslam (25).

    - Pick Sarfraz Ahmed (33) ahead of Rohail Nazir (19).
    To be completely fair, Misbah dropped Sarfaraz for Rizwan. But you’re right overall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    That was Unders Misbahs quota. That shows these two doesn’t have any eye for talent or the skill to nourish them. I remember him picking a young team under Azhar Ali and lose all three ODIs getting whitewashed by Bangladesh. Poor planning, strategy, no logic selections, nepotism, doesn’t trust the ability of the good players but surprisingly give more chances to less skilled players. These two have many attributes in common , that is why they cant succeed as captains and now as coaches.
    Lol funny you categorize the greatest test captain in the history of Pakistan cricket as a failure. I don't agree with Misbah's policies, but this is pushing it a little

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    Hahaha , May be Waqar said it sarcastically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    JK got mistreated he should have played more games most of his wickets were on flat wickets and due to have amir he want picked as much.ammad butt is good if fahim wasnt given a chance so should ammad butt but hes more batting all rounder I think
    No ammad is mainly a bowling allrounder. He bats in the lower order but his confidence and the way he bats gives you the sense that he isn't intimidated by the bowler and can bat his way without buckling under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Junaid is a dependable bowler but he isn't someone with any stand out features. He isn't going to be able to pick up any further skills now with max 2-3 years left of his career.

    Meanwhile Pakistan have a pool of young bowlers who could potentially develop that pace, bounce and movement which makes them world class. Clearly it'd be criminal to ignore those for workhorse Junaid now, regardless of what injustice may have happened 5 years ago.

    Amir has flopped despite many more chances. But the swing and pace he was able to get early in his career was incomparable to anything Junaid has done and therefore made him well worth a try.
    Our bowling attack especially in ODIs is not very dependable yet. and could do with a senior. Jk may prove to be a better ODI bowler than Wahab as he can bowl with the new ball as well as at death. Most importantly, can use the seam with the new ball well. Hasnain, Rauf, Musa, Naseem, are all good talents but need 2-3 year before they can get their game right. Shaheen though is the best and a level above every other bowler in Pak right now. In Tests, the third seamer slot is still open pacers tend to get injured more often than not. As far as I know, Hasnain, Musa and Rauf haven't yet done the hard yards in FC cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    No ammad is mainly a bowling allrounder. He bats in the lower order but his confidence and the way he bats gives you the sense that he isn't intimidated by the bowler and can bat his way without buckling under pressure.
    Okay fair enough but I'd stil say hes a batting all rounder he should replace fahim

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Our bowling attack especially in ODIs is not very dependable yet. and could do with a senior. Jk may prove to be a better ODI bowler than Wahab as he can bowl with the new ball as well as at death. Most importantly, can use the seam with the new ball well. Hasnain, Rauf, Musa, Naseem, are all good talents but need 2-3 year before they can get their game right. Shaheen though is the best and a level above every other bowler in Pak right now. In Tests, the third seamer slot is still open pacers tend to get injured more often than not. As far as I know, Hasnain, Musa and Rauf haven't yet done the hard yards in FC cricket.
    Jk is old news need to look foward

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Okay fair enough but I'd stil say hes a batting all rounder he should replace fahim
    Fahim is neither a batter nor a bowler or even a fielder. Just that guy you call from another street to make up the numbers.
    Even though there are better players available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Fahim is neither a batter nor a bowler or even a fielder. Just that guy you call from another street to make up the numbers.
    Even though there are better players available.
    Fahim is a bowler who can bat abit but his form has dropped considerably and doesnt provide anything in all three facets of the game and hes more than enough games and now needs to be dropped but he wont as a hes a favourite

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Fahim is a bowler who can bat abit but his form has dropped considerably and doesnt provide anything in all three facets of the game and hes more than enough games and now needs to be dropped but he wont as a hes a favourite
    He doesn't seam, swing, or even move the ball. Bowls at 130kph. Doesn't even control the run rate. The only wickets he gets are when batters are trying to hit out or in the last 10 overs.

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