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    Australian 'war crimes': Elite troops killed Afghan civilians, report finds

    There is "credible evidence" that Australian elite soldiers unlawfully killed 39 people during the Afghan war, a long-awaited report has found.

    The Australian Defence Force (ADF) has released findings from a four-year inquiry into misconduct by its forces.

    It said 19 current or former soldiers should be investigated by police over the killings of "prisoners, farmers or civilians" between 2009 and 2013.

    The ADF blamed crimes on an unchecked "warrior culture" among some soldiers.

    The inquiry - conducted by Major Gen Justice Paul Brereton - conducted interviews with more than 400 witnesses. It also found evidence that:

    Junior soldiers were told to get their first kill by shooting prisoners, in a practice known as "blooding"Weapons and other items were planted near Afghan bodies to cover up crimesAn additional two incidents could constitute a war crime of "cruel treatment"

    Afghanistan said it had been assured by Australia that it was committed to "ensuring justice".

    Samantha Crompvoets, an academic who carried out the initial research into the incidents, told the BBC they were "deliberate, repeated and targeted war crimes" and said she felt vindicated by the report.

    What did the report find?

    It said 25 special forces soldiers had taken part in unlawful killings directly or as "accessories", across 23 separate incidents.

    ADF chief General Angus Campbell said none of the incidents could be "described as being in the heat of battle".

    "None were alleged to have occurred in circumstances in which the intent of the perpetrator was unclear, confused or mistaken," he told reporters on Thursday.

    ICC backs Afghan war crimes probeDid UK Special Forces execute unarmed civilians?

    Gen Campbell said there was alarming evidence that some Special Air Service (SAS) soldiers had taken "the law into their own hands".

    "The report notes that the distorted culture was embraced and amplified by some experienced, charismatic and influential non-commissioned officers and their proteges, who sought to fuse military excellence with ego, elitism and entitlement," he said.

    media captionIs peace with the Taliban possible?

    The report said it would be a "gross distortion" to blame senior ADF command, saying the crimes were "commenced... and concealed at the patrol commander level".

    Dr Crompvoets said the incidents "involved in some instances very influential non-commissioned officers".

    "Platoon commanders were encouraging or insisting junior soldiers execute prisoners to achieve their first kill, so it was that sort of pattern of behaviour of grooming these junior soldiers for, or initiating them into, the squadron - that's what was very disturbing," she told BBC World Service's Newsday programme.

    The inquiry was conducted behind closed doors, meaning few details have been reported until now.

    What's been the reaction?

    Last week, Mr Morrison warned the report contained "difficult and hard news for Australians" about its special forces.

    "It is the environment [within the ADF], it is the context, it is the rules, it is the culture and the command that sat around those things," he said. "And if we want to deal with the truth of this, we have to deal with the truth of that."

    The office of Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani said Mr Morrison had phoned to express his "deepest sorrow" over the findings. Afghanistan has not commented directly on the findings of the report.

    Elaine Pearson, from Human Rights Watch, told the BBC: "This is a vindication - this is an acknowledgement that these crimes occurred."

    Dr Crompvoets said she had faced "huge resistance" when her initial report was leaked but had now been proved right.

    "I was certainly criticised for being a female, a civilian, a feminist, that somehow I was trying to feminise defence," she said.

    "It wasn't about me not understanding what it's like to be at war," she added. "It was quite evident there were fundamental things that had gone wrong."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54996581


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    Shameful as the crime is, well done to Australia for recognising as such

    The US can learn some lessons here


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    Shameful.

    I hope those families will be compensated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Shameful as the crime is, well done to Australia for recognising as such

    The US can learn some lessons here
    They could but they won't. US actively defends it's butchers.

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    Prime Minister calls allegations of Australian atrocities in Afghanistan 'disturbing'

    MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Australia’s Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Saturday that the findings of a report that the country’s special forces allegedly killed 39 unarmed prisoners and civilians in Afghanistan were “disturbing and distressing”.

    The report, published on Thursday after an inquiry into the conduct of special forces personnel in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016, found that senior commandos forced junior soldiers to kill defenceless captives in order to “blood” the troops for combat.

    It recommended referring 19 current and former soldiers for potential prosecution.

    “This is a terrible, terribly disturbing and distressing report,” Morrison said on Saturday in his first public comments since the publication of the document.

    “But the thing about Australia is - is we will deal with it. And we will deal with it under our law, under our systems, and our justice system.”

    Australia, which usually honours its military history with fervour, reacted with shame and anger to the severity of the report’s findings.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN28108B


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    @Gilly

    What is the coverage like on this in Aus?

    Are the Aussie public disgusted or are some defending these terrorist soldiers?


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    Reason for the crimes, convicts bitter of lack of a proper I.D.

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    Most people will be okay with this since these are Afghani lives. Yeah sure they’ll act sad and disappointed but nothing will change


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Reason for the crimes, convicts bitter of lack of a proper I.D.
    No Afghan has ever travelled to Aus to kill anyone.

    Australia has no business sending it's butchers known as soldiers to one of the poorest nations on Earth.

    Details of these war crimes are harrowing. Killing somones father, brother, son, mother, grandmother for no reason but to get a first kill.

    These are not heros but evil villians who should be hanged in public.

    Long live the Afghan resistance, they are the brave heros resisting these terrorist invaders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    @Gilly

    What is the coverage like on this in Aus?

    Are the Aussie public disgusted or are some defending these terrorist soldiers?
    Most people just want the truth to come out, as bad as it is it can only help to prevent anything like this happening again. Australian forces have done some great things in the past and this is a huge blot on their record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Most people just want the truth to come out, as bad as it is it can only help to prevent anything like this happening again. Australian forces have done some great things in the past and this is a huge blot on their record.
    The truth is out, we dont need to know anymore. Can you show me what great things they have done in one of the poorest nations , Afghanistan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No Afghan has ever travelled to Aus to kill anyone.

    Australia has no business sending it's butchers known as soldiers to one of the poorest nations on Earth.

    Details of these war crimes are harrowing. Killing somones father, brother, son, mother, grandmother for no reason but to get a first kill.

    These are not heros but evil villians who should be hanged in public.

    Long live the Afghan resistance, they are the brave heros resisting these terrorist invaders.
    Agree, then the west hypocritically complains of acts of so called terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The truth is out, we dont need to know anymore. Can you show me what great things they have done in one of the poorest nations , Afghanistan?
    Hardley anything, the fact is NATO and its allies should be trialled for oppression and crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Agree, then the west hypocritically complains of acts of so called terror.
    Imagine if 10 Muslim nations invaded Australia, occupied the land and killed thousands of their people. Aussies resisting would then be terrorists?

    Western regime is a joke. Good news is their power in terms of war is declining. This defeat in Afghanistan will make them think twice of their state terrorist adventours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Imagine if 10 Muslim nations invaded Australia, occupied the land and killed thousands of their people. Aussies resisting would then be terrorists?

    Western regime is a joke. Good news is their power in terms of war is declining. This defeat in Afghanistan will make them think twice of their state terrorist adventours.
    Agree, firm decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Most people just want the truth to come out, as bad as it is it can only help to prevent anything like this happening again. Australian forces have done some great things in the past and this is a huge blot on their record.
    Yes, like cleanse of the original people of what is now Australia.

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    Why did Australia get involved in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway?

    What was in it for them?


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    Australia is guilty of state-sponsored terrorism

    Australia’s prime minister may not want to admit his country’s guilt. Australia’s defence force chief may not want to admit his country’s guilt. Australians may not want to admit their country’s guilt.

    But admit it, they must.

    The evidence of Australia’s guilt is beyond dispute. It can be found in a just released report written by the military’s inspector general which took four years to produce and which details atrocities committed by scores of Australian terrorists dressed as soldiers who murdered scores of Afghans.

    These home-grown terrorists in battle fatigues were recruited by Australia. They were trained by Australia. They were paid by Australia. They were sent to Afghanistan by Australia. They murdered civilians, including children, in Australia’s name.

    The barbarity committed by Australia’s terrorists in battle fatigues – mostly, I suspect, white, Christian men – had one aim: to terrorise non-white, non-Christian Afghans.

    Aussie “soldiers” murdered people not to achieve a “strategic objective”, but for a diseased, intoxicating sense of pleasure and, given the defining, competitive nature of Australians, they murdered people for sport.

    They accomplished their detestable mission.

    The bitter list of Afghans that Australia’s terrorists in battle fatigues murdered reportedly includes boys who had their throats slit, a frightened child who was hiding under a blanket, farmers tending to stock, shackled prisoners and brothers and cousins running away to try to survive, only to be slowly ripped to death by Australian military dogs.

    The Australian thugs in uniforms murdered because they had the power, weapons and license to kill.

    It is the same license to kill that Israeli thugs in uniforms exercised with impunity when they murdered four Palestinian boys playing on a beach in Gaza. It is the same license to torture and murder that American thugs in uniforms exercised with impunity inside the dungeons of Abu Ghraib. It is the same license to torture and kill that British thugs in uniforms exercised with impunity in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the same license to torture and murder that Canadian thugs in uniforms exercised with impunity when they were sent to Somalia to “restore order”.

    That license to kill is predicated on the “idea” that white, Christian lives in the West matter, and Iraqi, Afghan, Palestinian and Somali lives are cheap, invisible and disposable.

    We deserve to live. They deserve to die. When we murder, it is a “tragic accident”. When they murder, it is cause to light the Eiffel Tower in solemn remembrance and to commemorate the dead on Twitter with hashtags expressing human solidarity.

    That blunt indictment will, no doubt, offend the insufferable disciples of the late Christopher Hitchens, who, today, are, predictably, as silent as their slick, anti-Muslim patron saint in the face of the terrorism perpetrated by invaders deployed abroad – again and again – to protect Western “freedoms and values”.

    Australia’s terrorists in battle fatigues – cheered on, no doubt, as crusading “heroes” by Hitchens’ mendacious acolytes – are largely members of a so-called “elite” fighting regiment known as the Special Air Service. They claim to be the “best of the best”.

    They are not soldiers. They are killers. They are cowards. They are terrorists in battle fatigues who murdered Afghans as part of a sick ritual called “blooding”. Consider the measure of their depravity: To become a trusted member of the “best of the best”, these thugs were ordered to execute defenceless Afghan prisoners in brutal, cold blood.

    These are not the acts of a “special” military unit, considered the “best of the best”. These are the acts of street gang members who terrorise and murder innocents in random drive-by shootings as part of a demented initiation ceremony.

    They are the worst of the worst and, remember, they wear the Australian flag on their uniforms.

    Instead of admitting the plain truth, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and defence force chief, General Angus Campbell, have spouted the usual palette of state-cleansed euphemisms to describe what Australia’s “soldiers” did in Afghanistan to as many as 39 helpless Afghan children, fathers, brothers, sons, farmers and prisoners.

    Instead of mass murder, they called it “incidents and issues”. Instead of mass murder, they called it “unlawful killing”. Instead of mass murder, they called it a “serious breach of military conduct”. Instead of mass murder, they called it “misconduct” and “wrongdoing” carried out by “some special forces personnel”.

    Turns out, 25 “special forces personnel” took gleeful part in the murders and terrorism. In what lunatic calculation does that halting number qualify as “some”?

    Instead of admitting his complicity in the terrorist acts committed by Australia’s home-grown terrorists under his command, General Campbell said this: “I sincerely and unreservedly apologise for any wrongdoing by Australian military personnel in Afghanistan and for our organisation’s failure to recognise the problem and take action at the time of the incidents.”

    What a shameful display of empty, exculpatory gibberish. For Australia’s top soldier to describe publicly the wanton, summary executions of 39 Afghan civilians as a “problem” that he, and other senior officers, failed to “take action at the time of the incidents” is as criminal as the murders committed by the thugs in his charge.

    Once again, the politicians and generals have promptly absolved themselves of any responsibility for the horror visited upon innocents in the name of a disfigured understanding of freedom and plurality.

    Instead, they turn, as always, to the, by now, familiar catalogue of excuses. We did not know, they say. If we did, they say, we would have stopped it. Anyway, they say, the terror was the work of a handful of “rogues”. We, they say, are not like them. We, they say, tried to help and performed our duty with “integrity”.

    The excuses will work, as they have worked in the past. The Australian press will soon forget. The Australian people will soon forget. And the world, if it bothered to notice at all, will soon forget, as well.

    That means that, ultimately, no one of import in Australia will be held accountable for the murder of 39 Afghans, just as no one of import in Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada have ever been held to account for the torture and murder of so many other innocents, in so many other places.

    Lest anyone claim that I am pointing an accusatory finger at a country and people I do not know: I was born in Australia.

    I spent the first 11 years of my life in Australia. I am no longer Australian by citizenship, but I am by birth. Part of me remains Australian.

    So, I am guilty too.

    The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial stance.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...red-terrorism/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Why did Australia get involved in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway?

    What was in it for them?
    Majority of NATO and its allies had their fingers in the pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Why did Australia get involved in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway?

    What was in it for them?
    Nothing.

    Australia is situated another part of the world but considers itself as part of the 'west'. These countries always stick together esp when it comes to attacking brown/black people. Afghan resistance has sent many of these invaders to hell.


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    Australia has told 13 special forces soldiers that they face dismissal in relation to a report on alleged unlawful killings in Afghanistan, the head of the country’s army said on Friday.

    Lieutenant General Rick Burr, the head of the Australian army, said the soldiers have been issued with “administrative action notices,” which would terminate their service in two weeks unless they successfully appealed.

    A years-long investigation last week reported that Australia’s elite special forces “unlawfully killed” 39 civilians and prisoners in Afghanistan, including by summary killing as part of initiation rituals.

    It recommended 19 individuals be referred to Australian Federal Police, compensation be paid to the families of victims, and that the military carry out a slew of reforms.

    Burr did not identify any of the 13 soldiers, but said they were not among the 19 current and former soldiers who face possible criminal charges. He said due process had to be respected as the military looks to bring those responsible for wrongdoing to justice.

    “We are all committed to learning from the inquiry and emerging from this a stronger, more capable and effective army,” he said.

    “Each matter and individual circumstance will be considered on a case-by-case basis.”

    Australia’s most senior military official apologised to Afghanistan last week after the release of the report.

    ‘Very confronting’

    The report into the conduct of Australia’s elite forces in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016 said senior commandos may have forced junior soldiers to kill defenceless captives in order to “blood” them for combat.

    In a letter accompanying the inquiry’s report, James Gaynor, the inspector general of the Australian Defence Force, described the nature and extent of the alleged misconduct as “very confronting”, noting there were additional allegations that members of the Australian military had treated people under their control with cruelty.

    “None of these alleged crimes was committed during the heat of battle,” he wrote. “The alleged victims were non-combatants or no longer combatants.”

    The inquiry team interviewed 423 witnesses – some on multiple occasions – and reviewed more than 20,000 documents and 25,000 images to compile the more-than-500-page report.

    A special investigator has been appointed to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to move ahead with prosecutions related to the inquiry.

    The Australian military was deployed to Afghanistan alongside forces from the United States and other allies following the September 11, 2001 attacks.

    In the years since, a series of often-harrowing reports have emerged about the conduct of its special forces units – ranging from a prisoner being shot dead to save space in a helicopter to the killing of a six-year-old child in a house raid.

    Combat troops left Afghanistan in 2013, but the Australian military continues to work in training and support roles.

    SOURCE : AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...awful-killings


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    Australia has demanded China apologise for posting a fake picture on a government Twitter account that depicted an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child.

    In a televised address, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Beijing should be "utterly ashamed" for sharing the "repugnant" image.

    It comes amid escalating political tensions between the two countries.

    The image referred to alleged war crimes by some Australian soldiers.

    Warning: This story contains an image some people might find distressing.

    Earlier this month, a report found that 25 Australian soldiers were allegedly involved in the murders of 39 Afghan civilians and prisoners between 2009 and 2013.

    The findings from the Australian Defence Force (ADF) inquiry sparked widespread condemnation, and are now being investigated by police.

    Australia to sack troops over Afghan killings

    On Monday, China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao posted a doctored image which portrayed an Australian soldier with a bloody knife next to a child. The child is seen holding a lamb.

    The Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported the image appeared to be a reference to unsubstantiated rumours that elite Australian soldiers used knives to murder two Afghan teenagers. However, the inquiry found no evidence to support the rumours.


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    Photo reveals Australian soldier drinking beer out of dead Taliban fighter's prosthetic leg


    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...prosthetic-leg

    I don't think China needs to photoshop pictures, the real ones are horrific enough.

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    Later it was mounted on a wooden plaque under the heading Das Boot, alongside an Iron Cross – a military decoration used in Nazi Germany. The leg travelled with the squadron at all times, one former trooper told the Guardian.
    There is something seriously wrong with the culture of the Australian army. There is no way a handful of soldiers were able to do this without the superiors being aware. Clearly stuff like this was tolerated or even encouraged.

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    Liberty fraternity and pursuit of happiness was the slogan raised by the soldiers of a liberal country-Australia.They were just making sure that democracy did not get harmed, so for this effort they should be applauded by the liberals. Hence if anybody condemns them he will be an extremist because they were helping Afghans by killling Afghans and having their boots on a foreign land they were propagating international law.
    Still I would condemn them and wish that a body for a body law is applied. You may label me fundamentalist extremist mullah radical militant etc. My thought my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Why did Australia get involved in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway?

    What was in it for them?
    They are part of the Five Eyes intelligence network, consisting of former British colonies of British heritage:

    Australia
    UK
    US
    Canada
    New Zealand


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    Why should China apologise?

    The West, or in particular the 5 eyes (UK, USA, CAN, AUS, NZ) have long promoted images and videos supporting their causes and agendas; propaganda.

    Not forgetting how the media controls the message within the 5 eyes.

    Simply, the 5 eyes are getting played at their own game.

    Go home Aussies. If you didn't want to be in the news you shouldn't have bombed innocent Afghanis in the name of freedom. You got played both ways.


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