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    Is Haris Sohail's International career over?

    He is 32 now, and considering his fitness issues and regular occurrence of his knee injury he might not be around for the 2023 World Cup. It's a shame because he is a great ODI batsman and I personally think he is our second best batsman after Babar Azam.

    Therefore, its a shame to see that the selectors have decided- right he probably won't be around for the 2023 WC so lets give Saud Shakeel a chance instead and build for the World Cup. The sad thing is that Shakeel cannot hit sixes and is another accumulator in the mould of Imam Ul Haq. Their is no place for him to bat in Odis apart from as an opener. Haris can score quickly as he showed in the WC match vs SA.

    This makes it sad for him. But seeing how stubborn the current administration seems, unfortunately it might be the end of an unfulfilled career for Haris Sohail.

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    Yes, it should be over .

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    He was a huge liability in Australia and NZ. Could not score a run. It's strange that he also never got picked by any of the PSL sides

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    Yes, that seems to be the case.

    He has so much ability but no desire and hunger (for runs). A very lazy individual who has refused to work hard and make up for his lost time.

    His decision to chicken out of the England tour last summer was the beginning of the end for him.

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    Saud would be much better replacement of Harris

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    Shoaib Malik made numerous comebacks because players like Umar Akmal, Umar Umin and Shoaib Maqsood flopped badly. Most likely Haider will bat at 4, and it largely depends on him to end Haris Sohail's career for good.

    I don't rate Saud Shakeel for ODIs at all because of his lack of fire power

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    Asif Ali picked over him after Saud's injury is an interesting one.

    It's clear the team management and selectors are not happy with several things including attitude and willingness to improve fitness.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Asif Ali picked over him after Saud's injury is an interesting one.

    It's clear the team management and selectors are not happy with several things including attitude and willingness to improve fitness.
    I think he's done. If he cant get picked against Zim then i cant see the management going for him in tougher assignments. Just lacks attitude, desire and is lazy..the typical unprofessional street cricketer from pakistan..."yaar sub chalta hay, ao biryani kahain aur garlic nan"..I hope he is not picked until a) he gets back to supreme fitness and b) starts hitting big runs.

    this is the difference between our spoilt cricketers and Indias where they are grafting and fighting for an opportunity..hamaray lot just want PSL so they can go on tik tok and make stupid jahil videos..

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    Would be surprised if he makes a comeback. Another talent which could not be converted into a product.

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    32 years old, poor fitness and indifferent performances. The player himself is to blame here for an underwhelming career. I think its time for pakistan to move on.

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    This can go 2 ways:

    1. He is lost to the wilderness of Pakistan domestic cricket and doesn't make a comeback.

    2. Realises that these selectors aren't going to pick him unless he sorts his fitness and 'other' issues out.

    Mohammad Wasim didn't say it directly, but he was hinting at Haris being lazy regarding his cricket.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    This can go 2 ways:

    1. He is lost to the wilderness of Pakistan domestic cricket and doesn't make a comeback.

    2. Realises that these selectors aren't going to pick him unless he sorts his fitness and 'other' issues out.

    Mohammad Wasim didn't say it directly, but he was hinting at Haris being lazy regarding his cricket.
    Well if i remember correctly in 2019 Misbah did complain about the likes of Imad, Haris and Sarfraz being lazy and not taking fitness seriously.

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    Good. We need to move forward.

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    A career destroyed by a lazy player with little or no drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Good. We need to move forward.
    His ODI stats are pretty good though. Averages 47 at a good S/R of 85.

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    Shame as when he was on it, he is our most talented batsman after Barbar. If he only could sort out his fitness and attitude, him, Barbar and Rizwan would make a decent test middle order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    Well if i remember correctly in 2019 Misbah did complain about the likes of Imad, Haris and Sarfraz being lazy and not taking fitness seriously.
    But he carried on picking them.

    Maybe the not picking them approach by M Wasim might do the trick.



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    It's absolute hypocrisy to chastise one player for his fitness standards while selecting another for much worse fitness standards.

    There's no doubt that Haris Sohail radiates a lazy vibe and should have done more to improve his fitness.

    But there's also no doubt that he has always been one of the most naturally gifted batsmen in Pakistan. In ODIs he has always been outstanding. And not having him in that middle order with Babar and Rizwan is just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    It's absolute hypocrisy to chastise one player for his fitness standards while selecting another for much worse fitness standards.

    There's no doubt that Haris Sohail radiates a lazy vibe and should have done more to improve his fitness.

    But there's also no doubt that he has always been one of the most naturally gifted batsmen in Pakistan. In ODIs he has always been outstanding. And not having him in that middle order with Babar and Rizwan is just ridiculous.
    True.

    What are the benchmarks for fitness? Is Haris fitness worse than Sharjeel's?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    True.

    What are the benchmarks for fitness? Is Haris fitness worse than Sharjeel's?
    There are none. And if Haris is lazy and then where does Sharjeel stand?

    Consequently, if Sharjeel can work on his fitness while travelling with the side, why can't Haris?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    His ODI stats are pretty good though. Averages 47 at a good S/R of 85.
    Stats can be deceiving at times. I just feel he remains unfit 50% of the time he travels with the team, gets home sick or/and has some kind of mental spiritual issues where he gets spooked by hotel ghost. I know they say he is 32, but in reality he is probably 35-36.

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    Clearly has fitness issues and clearly enjoys the parathas etc but on balance deserves to be in the ODI side.

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    He should be in the ODI squad. I don't like how he has potentially been left out due to his fitness, but Sharjeel fitness is even worse and he is still selected. In any case Haris poor attitude and laziness has not helped his case.

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    Haris is overrated , lack of footwork he can only play on flat pitches

    Any bounce or short stuff he is a sitting duck

    On the other hand sharjeel is one of the best back foot players in pakistan , very good record in australia 3 consecutive odi 50s , pulls and that piroete shot he does for six .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    Haris is overrated , lack of footwork he can only play on flat pitches

    Any bounce or short stuff he is a sitting duck

    On the other hand sharjeel is one of the best back foot players in pakistan , very good record in australia 3 consecutive odi 50s , pulls and that piroete shot he does for six .
    Good bye Haris sohail - thanks for the memories in 2019. Wish you a happy life ahead


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    But he carried on picking them.

    Maybe the not picking them approach by M Wasim might do the trick.
    Imad and Haris have both won several matches for Pakistan. Some players are naturally more injury prone- but it does not indicate they are lazy and overweight. For example, Shane Bond is one of the most athletic and fittest guys I have seen on a cricket field and he was injury prone.

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    Most of the injury issues that players face now are as a result of lack of fitness. so many of them haven't played in entire 2020 and rusty. Haris should have maintained himself for match fitness.
    I am afraid that Sharjeel (talent or no talent) also is in danger of injury due to his lack of fitness. He is already exerting himself to recover fitness in the short span of time has has been given now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    This can go 2 ways:

    1. He is lost to the wilderness of Pakistan domestic cricket and doesn't make a comeback.

    2. Realises that these selectors aren't going to pick him unless he sorts his fitness and 'other' issues out.

    Mohammad Wasim didn't say it directly, but he was hinting at Haris being lazy regarding his cricket.
    Good move by Mo wasim, about time our lazy cricketers were given a reality check.

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    As much as Haris has shown how talented he is, he is not reliable even to consistently play, let alone consistently perform in the middle order.

    My only concern about dropping him is that middle order options are quite thin right now. Rizwan is the only solid player in there. Around Rizwan, there's a number of all-rounders or unproven youngsters, like Haider, Danish, Faheem, Shakeel, Shadab etc.

    At the current moment, Haris is probably a better middle order ODI batsman than any of those, but I'm okay with trying to develop more middle order players who will be there to play in 2023, while Haris won't be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sher Khan View Post
    Imad and Haris have both won several matches for Pakistan. Some players are naturally more injury prone- but it does not indicate they are lazy and overweight. For example, Shane Bond is one of the most athletic and fittest guys I have seen on a cricket field and he was injury prone.
    I don't think he was linking laziness with injuries, it was more like a mental laziness - a bit too laid back in his attitude.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Babar needs to organise an uprising against the management.

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    Yes. Awful attitude and totally out of form. And I any one think he is the answer then think again.

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    M Wasim's selector reign should be ended though.

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    We would have won if our middle order worked.

    Haris Sohail is essential to the team.

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    He walks into this team

    Just because he had bad form in tests, we dropped him drop Odis


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    Look he has his flaws.

    His fitness could be better.

    Maybe he needs a push at times.

    But he is better batsman than Danish, Asif and Shadab put together.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Look he has his flaws.

    His fitness could be better.

    Maybe he needs a push at times.

    But he is better batsman than Danish, Asif and Shadab put together.
    Totally agree If we have ready made replacements bring them in Otherwise harris a must


    If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back

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    While I agree he walks into this pathetic middle-order even if he has a belly the size of Sharjeel’s, he has serious issues against the short ball and would have struggled as much against Nortje and Rabada. But yeah, Danish and Asif should not be playing international cricket for a national team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Look he has his flaws.

    His fitness could be better.

    Maybe he needs a push at times.

    But he is better batsman than Danish, Asif and Shadab put together.
    There may be a bit more behind Haris Sohail’s exclusion (you may already be aware).

    In the long run it is good that he was dropped. If he has the right attitude, that will increase his hunger and come back a better player.

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    He is better than Asif and Aziz. If he passes the fitness test, he should be in the ODI team. I don’t know what the fitness requirements are as Sharjeel is massively overweight and still has been selected.

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    He should be selected after watching pathetic players like Danish, Khushdil, Asif, Iftikhar and Hussain Talat. There is no other option

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    He walks into this team

    Just because he had bad form in tests, we dropped him drop Odis
    Quite rightly. He looked like he'd never held a bat before in those tests. Add to that his fitness issues, work ethic and apparently some mental problems then i have no problem with him being dropped from all formats as he isn't exactly mr dependable.

    Asif and Danish have flopped majorly but i don't think their experimentation was a disaster. Haris didn't warrant a spot in international cricket after the NZ debacle so his position was opened up. If he wants to secure it he can work harder for it, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Quite rightly. He looked like he'd never held a bat before in those tests. Add to that his fitness issues, work ethic and apparently some mental problems then i have no problem with him being dropped from all formats as he isn't exactly mr dependable.

    Asif and Danish have flopped majorly but i don't think their experimentation was a disaster. Haris didn't warrant a spot in international cricket after the NZ debacle so his position was opened up. If he wants to secure it he can work harder for it, no problem.
    Hes a proven odi performer

    Yes hes not a test player but you dont drop a play from one format hes good at cos hes rubbish in another

    Ever heard of horses for courses? Hes probably the 2nd or third best odi bat for pakistan Whatever his performances in tests have been he should never have been dropped from the odi team

    Fgs he avges mid 40s in odis and its not like we have kohlis and tendulkers in the wings waiting for a chance

    If hes competing with danish and asif ali i know who id rather have in the team


    If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    He is your damn captain!!

    No one will remember WK even two three months after his job as CS

    People will remember BA years after his retirement

    There's a difference of several levels between the two, Babar should put the foot down and show who is the boss

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    You would think the Pakistan team management would complain about a middle order of Asif Ali, Danesh is it? And Shadab in an international ODI. All 3 of whom could only ever be described decent T20 batsmen.

    Going with exactly these 3 rookies to form PakistanÂ’s international middle order is just a joke beyond comprehension. ItÂ’s completely unexplainable and almost inexcusable.

    But in actuality they are more bothered about issuing complaints against a South African wicket keeper.

    ItÂ’s laughable, how out of its league this pathetic team management is.

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    Better to pick any new player than Harris Soahail , who is a constant failure , particularly in SENA , he is finished, not getting any younger and fitter.

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    To be honest haris looked awful in new Zealand, and was also struggling with the shorter balls so if he came with that form to south africa he also would have struggled on these bouncy tracks .

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    Fakhar, Imam, Babar, Rizwan, Haris, Shakeel and Haider are all quality batsmen. The management needs to get their act together and ensure they play 5/6 of these guys regularly, instead of resorting to hacks and all-rounders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    To be honest haris looked awful in new Zealand, and was also struggling with the shorter balls so if he came with that form to south africa he also would have struggled on these bouncy tracks .
    The tracks is odis are flat The field is spread out its a totally different ball game to tests with slips in nz in seaming conditions

    Hence why harris avges mid 40s in odis

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    He may be far from perfect
    but miles better than the current middle order combined.

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    If he can improve his fitness then he may make a come back.But i would stil back saud shakeel 100 percent

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Better to pick any new player than Harris Soahail , who is a constant failure , particularly in SENA , he is finished, not getting any younger and fitter.
    He's batted 18 times in South Africa, NZ, England and Australia in ODIs.

    Average of 34.47, with 5 fifties which is hardly a total disaster.



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    There's no need for a player who will break down if the wind is a little stronger than normal. He's weak both mentally and physically. All other players manage to play on with little injuries and knocks but not Haris Sohail. Even a broken nail is too much pain for him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Totally agree If we have ready made replacements bring them in Otherwise harris a must
    Saud is considered as Harris' replacement. Unfortunately he got injured at the wrong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Saud is considered as Harris' replacement. Unfortunately he got injured at the wrong time.
    Suad is a stylist but he needs to work abit on his power game

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    If you;re a constant failure, no worries, don;t have to work hard on your game or fitness, just buy some time and you will be recalled , story of Pakistan cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    If you;re a constant failure, no worries, don;t have to work hard on your game or fitness, just buy some time and you will be recalled , story of Pakistan cricket.
    I guess you have some personal grudge doctor, this mr useless is still way better than dross we played in his place, plus he had his fair share of bad luck how PCB's quacks ruined his knees, i agree that his smoking habit didn't help but still give the guy a break. I am all to dump him for good but for better player not worse.


    We Have Good Players Just Need to Find Good Selectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeshan547 View Post
    I guess you have some personal grudge doctor, this mr useless is still way better than dross we played in his place, plus he had his fair share of bad luck how PCB's quacks ruined his knees, i agree that his smoking habit didn't help but still give the guy a break. I am all to dump him for good but for better player not worse.
    Is saud worse ?

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    A one legged, Dad body Harris Sohail is a better no.4 option than anyone else in Pakistan

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    Babar is a huge fan of Haris, eventually with enough failures, he will fight to get him back. Personally, I'm hoping Saud Shakeel makes that position his own, I like Haris but not a long term investment by any imagination, he has a maximum of 3 years left.


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    M Wasim was right to warn Haris and had a long talk with him as well. If Haris works on those points he will be an even better no 4 for Pakistan.

    Saud Shakeel has been superior in domestic cricket, but unfortunely got injured. Keeping WC 2023 in mind it was the right decision. The same reason Hafeez wasn't selected despite his GOAT form.


    "You aren't a failure if you fail, you are a failure if you don't get up to try again" - Imran Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Asif Ali picked over him after Saud's injury is an interesting one.

    It's clear the team management and selectors are not happy with several things including attitude and willingness to improve fitness.

    And Misbah favoring Asif Ali. Saud Shakeel would have played 1 match Maximum on the tour. Don't think Misbah would have played both Danish Aziz and Saud Shakeel at the same time. However Asif Ali had free run, only after 2 failures did they decided to strengthen the middle order.

    I hope Better selections prevail for the T20 series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketAXEpert View Post
    And Misbah favoring Asif Ali. Saud Shakeel would have played 1 match Maximum on the tour. Don't think Misbah would have played both Danish Aziz and Saud Shakeel at the same time. However Asif Ali had free run, only after 2 failures did they decided to strengthen the middle order.

    I hope Better selections prevail for the T20 series.
    Saud would have played all three games instead of danish and rightly so

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    If he can work on his fitness then he can make the squad but before then saud shakeel should be given a run and has superior stats in domestic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    A one legged, Dad body Harris Sohail is a better no.4 option than anyone else in Pakistan
    I don't know Hammad Azam had a good Pakistan Cup as did Shoaib Moqsood or could even introduce Kamran Ghulam and yes Saud Shakeel if he's fit.

    Keep your options open and don't just say Haris Sohail is the answer.

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    Haris must be sat at home thinking why on earth he cannot get into the Pakistan white-ball middle order at the moment, ahead of the likes of Asif Ali.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris must be sat at home thinking why on earth he cannot get into the Pakistan white-ball middle order at the moment, ahead of the likes of Asif Ali.
    I hope he is not binging al the pakooras and samosas with paratha anda during the Ramazan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris must be sat at home thinking why on earth he cannot get into the Pakistan white-ball middle order at the moment, ahead of the likes of Asif Ali.
    Haris was our second best batsmen in the world cup. As you posted he had 4 fifty+ is his last 7 innings. We could have won the odi leg comfortably had he been playing instead of Asif Ali who is not even a first class material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris must be sat at home thinking why on earth he cannot get into the Pakistan white-ball middle order at the moment, ahead of the likes of Asif Ali.
    Because Harris is not capable of and has been a failure . If guy like Asif fails, he should not replaced by another failed an unfit cricketer, why can't we try someone new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakEngFan View Post
    Haris was our second best batsmen in the world cup. As you posted he had 4 fifty+ is his last 7 innings. We could have won the odi leg comfortably had he been playing instead of Asif Ali who is not even a first class material.
    Yes he WAS , long time ago, not IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Yes he WAS , long time ago, not IS.
    Can you name a replacement? Going through the thread you seem to have a personal dislike for haris. The last game he played for us he got a 70 odd and the 1 before was a match winning 50 against Sri Lanka i believe.

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    There is nothing wrong with Haris ability. He is amongst the best players in Pakistan.

    Problem starts with his limited fitness which keeps leading to injuries.

    In addition, he has personal issues which limits his eligibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakEngFan View Post
    Can you name a replacement? Going through the thread you seem to have a personal dislike for haris. The last game he played for us he got a 70 odd and the 1 before was a match winning 50 against Sri Lanka i believe.
    Nothing personal, I strongly believe one has be a sportsman first before becoming a cricketer. And if someone smokes and doesn't care about his fitness-------and has been a failure lately , he should not be considered for national team selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Nothing personal, I strongly believe one has be a sportsman first before becoming a cricketer. And if someone smokes and doesn't care about his fitness-------and has been a failure lately , he should not be considered for national team selection.
    I smoke all day and I am probably fitter then 90% of people my age. Closer to the game, I am sure many so called fit cricketers also smoke. I rather have Harris then the likes of Asif Ali, Nawaz or Danish Aziz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Nothing personal, I strongly believe one has be a sportsman first before becoming a cricketer. And if someone smokes and doesn't care about his fitness-------and has been a failure lately , he should not be considered for national team selection.
    I smoke all day and I am probably fitter then 90% of people my age. Closer to the game, I am sure many so called fit cricketers also smoke. I rather have Harris then the likes of Asif Ali, Nawaz or Danish Aziz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    I smoke all day and I am probably fitter then 90% of people my age. Closer to the game, I am sure many so called fit cricketers also smoke. I rather have Harris then the likes of Asif Ali, Nawaz or Danish Aziz.
    End of discussion , forget about discussion, do yourself a favor and stop smoking.

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    I've had the pleasure of watching Haris bat in real life sitting in the stands in several games, and I can honestly say the man is pure class. He is lightyears ahead of the current middle order. His ability to perform in key moments is truly special. This man NEEDS to be back in our side without delay.

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