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    PCB positive to get hosting rights of major ICC event in 2023-31 cycle: Wasim Khan

    ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Cricket Board feels confident that it will get the hosting rights of at least one major ICC event during 2023-31 as there is now a stronger will from the game’s world governing body to spread the global events unlike the 2015-23 cycle, PCB chief executive Wasim Khan said on Sunday.

    According to Wasim, the PCB has expressed its interest in staging the U-19 and women’s events, ICC Champions Trophy and the ICC T20 World Cup, while it has jointly submitted a bid with the Emirates Cricket Board to host the 2031 World Cup in the UAE.

    “Realistically, we have a strong chance [of staging a major ICC event] because one of the key priorities for the ICC is safety and security. And we as hosts have already demonstrated it through the delivery of 2019-20 and 2020-21 international and domestic seasons that we have the capacity and capability to host world-class events,” Wasim told Dawn in an interview.

    “We have time in terms of understanding whether we will receive a tournament or not, but we are optimistic and there is no

    In the eight-year period from 2015 to 2023 there are 18 ICC tournaments of which the so-called ‘Big Three’ distributed the six men’s major events between them — the two World Cups (England 2019 and India 2023), Champions Trophy (England 2017) and three Twenty20 World Cups (India 2016, India 2021 and Australia 2022).

    The 12 other qualifying events were allocated to smaller and emerging countries, but Bangladesh was the only lucky country from the subcontinent apart from India to earn the hosting rights of the 2016 ICC U-19 World Cup.

    According to Wasim, the ICC recently confirmed receiving around 100 bids from various countries to host its 28 events of the 2023-31 cycle, giving the PCB confidence to acquire rights for the first time since the 2011 World Cup, which were surrendered in 2010 in return of the hosting fee due to security reasons in the aftermath of the March 2009 terror attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore.

    “I think there is now a strong will from the ICC to spread as many of these tournaments across more nations rather than the Big Three,” Wasim said. “So, once that is a bit of an objective from the ICC, it then brings us into play and gives us as much opportunity as any other country.”

    After successfully hosting international teams, MCC, HBL PSL during the past 14 months, Pakistan gears up to host non-Asian sides in 2021 with South Africa scheduled to tour in January, New Zealand in September followed by England (October) and West Indies (December).

    Wasim, who along with PCB chairman Ehsan Mani, has been using his contacts and influence with some of these members, attributed the improved safety and security situation in Pakistan as the major reason for foreign teams willing to travel and play in the country.

    “I think first and foremost, nobody is going to travel and play in a country where they don’t feel safe. Therefore, the very fact that three international teams played red and white-ball cricket in Pakistan, MCC visited Lahore and HBL PSL 2020 was held here from start to finish answers the question relating to security,” Wasim remarked.

    “But, let’s not be under any kind of illusions that countries will not just purely come to Pakistan to fulfil their obligations. They would insist on us playing in the UAE, for example.

    “So, what this tells us is that a high level of trust and confidence has been built. People buy into people, not into systems or plans that people have on paper. So, we’re really pleased that we have been able to leverage that to build the trust and confidence to have these teams coming now. And hopefully what we’ll see now is cricket being played sustainably now for the next foreseeable future and forever,” the PCB chief executive added.

    On Prime Minister and PCB Patron Imran Khan’s invitation to Afghanistan cricket team to tour Pakistan, Wasim said: “We’re delighted that the prime minister has invited the Afghanistan team; we’ll certainly now be following that up.”

    Published in Dawn, November 23rd, 2020
    Last edited by MenInG; 23rd November 2020 at 20:29.


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    Great news, and smart to submit a joint cohosting bid with UAE for 2031.

    We will certainly get a U-19 World Cup between 2024-2030. If we donít get the ODI World Cup in 2031, I am sure we will get a T20 World Cup that will be hosted around then.

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    All group games in the UAE and semi finals+finals in Pakistan

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    Should host a T20 WC, if not alone atleast in collaboration with BD/SL. Dont see 50 over world cups getting hosted outside big 3 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Should host a T20 WC, if not alone atleast in collaboration with BD/SL. Dont see 50 over world cups getting hosted outside big 3 though.
    South Africa and West Indies are good hosts for the 50 over World Cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    South Africa and West Indies are good hosts for the 50 over World Cup
    South Africa definitely but not sure about W.I the 2007 was extremely boring with almost empty stands throughout the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    South Africa and West Indies are good hosts for the 50 over World Cup
    South Africa yes but West Indies? 2007 WC was a calamity. I would prefer a world cup in UAE over West Indies.

    But that is beyond the point. Big 3 wont allow 50 over WC or test championship final to be hosted outside Eng, Ind & Aust. Only T20 WC is flexible and I think countries other than big 3 should host them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    South Africa definitely but not sure about W.I the 2007 was extremely boring with almost empty stands throughout the tournament.
    The fixtures were a failure. The World Cup traditionally does well either with the two group system or this new system hosted in England 2019.

    Plus they need to get their big games in such as India and Pakistan. The reason why the 2007 World Cup was so poor is because the interest by 1.4 billion people and the millions of Indians and Pakistanis was gone after the group stages. As long as either of these two teams remain until the Semi finals of any tournament, people will be very interested.

    West Indies should host a World Cup but ICC need to make sure that they do not mess up with the cup’s fixtures

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    So it seems India will be missing a world cup event in the next cycle.
    There is no way an Indian cricket team is travelling to Pakistan for a long foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    So it seems India will be missing a world cup event in the next cycle.
    There is no way an Indian cricket team is travelling to Pakistan for a long foreseeable future.
    That may be the case, but that shouldn't be the reason for pakistan to not get to host one.

    Bcci should make it clear to Icc that they have no objections to Pakistan hosting an event, but India's participation will be subject to security clearance and is not guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    That may be the case, but that shouldn't be the reason for pakistan to not get to host one.

    Bcci should make it clear to Icc that they have no objections to Pakistan hosting an event, but India's participation will be subject to security clearance and is not guaranteed.
    yeah i agree. Also Pakistan should push for the event to go ahead and plan for India's pull out.
    Pakistan can have successful tournament without India they don't need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    So it seems India will be missing a world cup event in the next cycle.
    There is no way an Indian cricket team is travelling to Pakistan for a long foreseeable future.
    Thanks. Good riddance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Thanks. Good riddance
    yeah i agree with you on this one.. Good riddance.

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    Maximum Pakistan will get is a T20 WC , and that's not a problem since Pakistan is among the very few Strong Cricket Nations who is yet to host the T20 WC tournament. Just forget about an joint Odi WC with UAE lol or Test Championship though.

    Odi WCs should only be rotated among India, SA , England and Aus/NZ, among specific countries in four continents.

    Give preference to SL, BD, Pakistan and Wi for T20 WCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    yeah i agree. Also Pakistan should push for the event to go ahead and plan for India's pull out.
    Pakistan can have successful tournament without India they don't need them.
    Only thing is that the revenue will be hit massively. But thats something ICC should be ready to take in its stride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Only thing is that the revenue will be hit massively. But thats something ICC should be ready to take in its stride.
    is everyone being sarcastic?
    or do people actually think ICC can Dare to upset BCCI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The cricket enthusiast View Post
    is everyone being sarcastic?
    or do people actually think ICC can Dare to upset BCCI?
    BCCI will bluff. No way India will miss out on adding another world cup to their collection. ICC just has to call the bluff.

    Max max Indiaís group-stage games will take place in the UAE. After that they can drop out of the tournament for the knockouts in Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by The cricket enthusiast View Post
    is everyone being sarcastic?
    or do people actually think ICC can Dare to upset BCCI?
    BCCI shouldn't oppose Pakistan hosting an event. Thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    BCCI will bluff. No way India will miss out on adding another world cup to their collection. ICC just has to call the bluff.

    Max max Indiaís group-stage games will take place in the UAE. After that they can drop out of the tournament for the knockouts in Pakistan
    Its not in BCCI's hands. Indian team will not travel to Pakistan if the govt doesn't allow it.

    So Bcci has to make it clear that its participation is not guaranteed.

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    Highly unlikely.

    Maybe an u19 world cup or womens wt20 at best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    yeah i agree. Also Pakistan should push for the event to go ahead and plan for India's pull out.
    Pakistan can have successful tournament without India they don't need them.
    Come out of your Fantasy world Sir....PCB not in a position to dictate anything to BCCI/ICC or for that matter any Cricket Board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panchujeev View Post
    Come out of your Fantasy world Sir....PCB not in a position to dictate anything to BCCI/ICC or for that matter any Cricket Board.
    We accept that. So please, do us a favour and opt out of any ICC tournaments granted to Pakistan. We will make the most of what we are provided with. Would have been great with India participating but its fine if they don’t.

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    Not happening.

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    India would never skip a WC, WT20 for petty security reasons. They'd get criticized heavily by Indian fans. I could see them skipping the champions cups they have scheduled.

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    PCB should go for the 2024 or 2028 T20 Champions Cup, that's their best bet. It's the same format as last years World Cup. Venues could be

    NSK
    Rafi Stadium (should be done by then lol)
    Rawalpindi
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    Arbab Niaz Stadium (Peshawar)

    Sharjah
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    A lot of wishful thinking in this thread and PCB is opening its mouth too early as usual.

    Unless there is a dramatic shift in balance of power, PCB has no chance of hosting - or co-hosting - an ICC tournament.

    The non-big 3 countries are not getting hosting rights without the approval of the big 3, and if any big 3 board disapproves, that country is not going to host.

    There is no way BCCI is going to help PCB make money and create an awkward situation for itself where it has to either forfeit participation in an ICC tournament or unwillingly drag itself to play in Pakistan.

    As long as BCCI remains in power, Pakistan has much a chance of hosting an ICC tournament as Antarctica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    A lot of wishful thinking in this thread and PCB is opening its mouth too early as usual.

    Unless there is a dramatic shift in balance of power, PCB has no chance of hosting - or co-hosting - an ICC tournament.

    The non-big 3 countries are not getting hosting rights without the approval of the big 3, and if any big 3 board disapproves, that country is not going to host.

    There is no way BCCI is going to help PCB make money and create an awkward situation for itself where it has to either forfeit participation in an ICC tournament or unwillingly drag itself to play in Pakistan.

    As long as BCCI remains in power, Pakistan has much a chance of hosting an ICC tournament as Antarctica.
    Congratulations Pakistan fans, now the PCB will definitely host an ICC tournament in the next cycle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    A lot of wishful thinking in this thread and PCB is opening its mouth too early as usual.

    Unless there is a dramatic shift in balance of power, PCB has no chance of hosting - or co-hosting - an ICC tournament.

    The non-big 3 countries are not getting hosting rights without the approval of the big 3, and if any big 3 board disapproves, that country is not going to host.

    There is no way BCCI is going to help PCB make money and create an awkward situation for itself where it has to either forfeit participation in an ICC tournament or unwillingly drag itself to play in Pakistan.

    As long as BCCI remains in power, Pakistan has much a chance of hosting an ICC tournament as Antarctica.
    Money talks. The Asian timezone is the best for a world tournament, which would maximize tv revenue, and you can expect packed stands for every game. For ICC it'll be as if having another tournament in India.

    Compare that to somewhere like WI. The timezone sucks for most of the cricketing world, there'll be many empty stands like 2007. And ICC should be able to catch BCCI's bluff, there's no way they'd skip an opportunity to win another trophy due to pettyness.

    I'd say Pakistan has a decent chance at hosting a tournament, probably not one of the WCs but the Champions trophies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    India would never skip a WC, WT20 for petty security reasons. They'd get criticized heavily by Indian fans. I could see them skipping the champions cups they have scheduled.
    There will be plenty of support if India refuses to go to Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Dont need to be. The govt of India has said that India will not be playing in Pakistan in foreseeable future.
    Then the ICC can refer to its clause about non-government interference in cricket board activities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Then the ICC can refer to its clause about non-government interference in cricket board activities
    ICC can shove that clause where the sun doesn't sign. Under Indian laws the government can stop anyone from traveling to another country.

    FYI in the Bcci vs PCB case the ICC tribunal upheld that Bcci needed government permission to play with Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Dont need to be. The govt of India has said that India will not be playing in Pakistan in foreseeable future.
    You’ve added your ambiguous 2 cents on the matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    You’ve added your ambiguous 2 cents on the matter?
    Why are you getting bothered?

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    2023 WC is in India (Asia), therefore itís certain that next two, possibly three if SAF can force their way, WC wonít be in Asia - most likely 2027 in Australia (NZ)/South Africa (ZIM), 2031 in UK (SCT/IRL)/South Africa (ZIM) and if South Africa gets one of 2027 or 2031 edition, then 2035 will go to one of Australia or UK that missing out. If not, 2035 will be contested by Asia & Southern Africa, even WICB along with USA can put their bid. For 2035/2039 the WC will be in Asia and in a open bidding India, Pakistan, Bangladesh & SRL will fight for it. Individually, itís not possible to out bid India by any of these countries, but it's possible through a joint bid - BD/PAK/SRL or UAE. However, if itís a cohosted WC, absolutely no reason for BD/SRL/UAE to pick Pakistan as partners rather than India.

    I believe, theyíll keep a similar format for next few WCs - itís the best format and fair as well, keeps fans interested till last game; but I think itíll be extended to 12 teams - thatís 66 +3 = 69 games, enough to be shared. I can say, regardless of who is in power, BCB will go with BCCI if say 12 games (11 BD games + 1 SF) is given.......... bottom line is ODI WC is not coming to PAK, unless PCB can share it with BCCI, which I donít see happening, might not happen in our life time. Even if India agrees to travel to PAK, just the economic scale doesnít suggest a stand alone WC in PAK.

    T20 WC, might happen as the WC is likely to happen every alternate years, so more tournaments and India is hosting it second time in 5 years, BCCI also has IPL. So, PCBís best bid is 2028 or 2030 WC - at least two of the 2024-2030 WC is likely to happen in Asia, but still itíll be hard fought battle between PCB & BCB - a cohosted tournament with 16 teams is quite possible. However, I just donít see why PCB or any other board should bring UAE here?

    Any of the boards including UAE, Malaysia, may be AFG or Nepal can arrange U19 WC allocated to Asia - in fact if situation allows, it should go to AFGs sometimes in future. One of the major infrastructural development took place in BD was 2004 U19 WC - they prepared few stadiums and training facilities across the country; AFGs need some thing like that.

    Itís good that WK is dreaming big, but realistically I donít see Pakistan hosting anything in next 8 years cycle - itís too early considering the security situations, diplomatic relationships and economy as a whole.

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    PCB will definitely be asked in their discussions with ICC about the India issue. I guess that's why UAE would be a joint host so India wouldn't have to travel to Pakistan.

    I think an U19 World Cup, Women's World Cup or a qualifying tournament is most realistic place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Money talks. The Asian timezone is the best for a world tournament, which would maximize tv revenue, and you can expect packed stands for every game. For ICC it'll be as if having another tournament in India.

    Compare that to somewhere like WI. The timezone sucks for most of the cricketing world, there'll be many empty stands like 2007. And ICC should be able to catch BCCI's bluff, there's no way they'd skip an opportunity to win another trophy due to pettyness.

    I'd say Pakistan has a decent chance at hosting a tournament, probably not one of the WCs but the Champions trophies.
    Yes, so instead of ďas if having another tournament in IndiaĒ, they will simply have another tournament in India.

    ICC will maximize tv revenue (more revenue than they will generate in Pakistan), you will get even bigger crowds because Indian stadiums have greater capacity, and there will be no potential headache of India refusing to play.

    Moreover, ICC is not in a position to catch BCCIís bluff, and even if they are, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot for Pakistanís sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why are you getting bothered?
    If PCB wins hosting rights for an ICC tournament and India do not want to participate, then why are you so bothered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    PCB will definitely be asked in their discussions with ICC about the India issue. I guess that's why UAE would be a joint host so India wouldn't have to travel to Pakistan.

    I think an U19 World Cup, Women's World Cup or a qualifying tournament is most realistic place to start.
    India factor shouldn't be a hindrance. PCB should get a event with or without India participating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    If PCB wins hosting rights for an ICC tournament and India do not want to participate, then why are you so bothered?
    I said the same thing. If India doesn't participate it should be taken into stride.

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    Inshallah it will happen soon..imagine Pak lifting a cup in a packed Gaddafi or National stadium with millions celebrating out on the streets across the nation. Wow wow wow.

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    It will be great for Pakistan but does Pakistan have good infrastructure to hold a big tournament? I mean outside of Lahore and Karachi are there any other stadiums to hold big marquee events? Things have changed since the 90ís and even more now with Covid world will never be the same. India has 5 star facilities even in the smallest venues.

    I think PCB has the right intent and itís good for them but how about building some stadiums for starters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    It will be great for Pakistan but does Pakistan have good infrastructure to hold a big tournament? I mean outside of Lahore and Karachi are there any other stadiums to hold big marquee events? Things have changed since the 90’s and even more now with Covid world will never be the same. India has 5 star facilities even in the smallest venues.

    I think PCB has the right intent and it’s good for them but how about building some stadiums for starters?
    Multan is a decent venue which hosted some PSL matches this year while Peshawar is undergoing reconstruction.

    However generally the stadiums are quite dated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    It will be great for Pakistan but does Pakistan have good infrastructure to hold a big tournament? I mean outside of Lahore and Karachi are there any other stadiums to hold big marquee events? Things have changed since the 90ís and even more now with Covid world will never be the same. India has 5 star facilities even in the smallest venues.

    I think PCB has the right intent and itís good for them but how about building some stadiums for starters?
    2 stadium are under construction in Peshawar while one 50k in karachi. While there are few more international venue like faisalbad &Hyderabad which might be also upgraded in next 5 years

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    Can hardly predict what will happen in next 5 years but great future planning from pcb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    There will be plenty of support if India refuses to go to Pakistan.
    I refuse to believe that most Indians are stupid enough to forego a chance at an ICC trophy for petty politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    PCB will definitely be asked in their discussions with ICC about the India issue. I guess that's why UAE would be a joint host so India wouldn't have to travel to Pakistan.

    I think an U19 World Cup, Women's World Cup or a qualifying tournament is most realistic place to start.
    It's quite an easy fix tbh. India plays all its group games in UAE, while playing the us and the semis/finals in Pakistan if they make it that far. I'm sure they can play 3 games in Pakistan lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yes, so instead of “as if having another tournament in India”, they will simply have another tournament in India.

    ICC will maximize tv revenue (more revenue than they will generate in Pakistan), you will get even bigger crowds because Indian stadiums have greater capacity, and there will be no potential headache of India refusing to play.

    Moreover, ICC is not in a position to catch BCCI’s bluff, and even if they are, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot for Pakistan’s sake.
    they'll face backlash from other boards if they keep handing India hosting rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    We accept that. So please, do us a favour and opt out of any ICC tournaments granted to Pakistan. We will make the most of what we are provided with. Would have been great with India participating but its fine if they don’t.
    No ICC tournament happening without India or even without Pakistan
    You only day dreaming if you think ICC afford to hold Any tournament without India
    With the return of International Cricket to Pakistan they will surely co host major ICC tournaments.. But only their league matches
    Don't expect Pakistan will get hosting rights of any Knockout matches.

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    There's only 1 way Pakistan can host an ICC event and that is to become an economic powerhouse. Do you see that happening by 2031? I don't think so.

    Your economy talks. Not personalities. Organizations are built to earn money. Period. They don't look after emotions. Can Pakistan provide ICC the same economic outlay as India, Australia/NZ, England? Or even Bnagladesh? No, not even close. So why would ICC choose Pakistan? Out of sympathy?

    Unless Pakistan becomes strong enough to show ICC how much money they can make from having an ICC tournament in Pakistan, or Pakistan can somehow convince all of India, England and Australia, nothing will happen. Sad, but that's the unfortunate reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    they'll face backlash from other boards if they keep handing India hosting rights.
    Not from cricket Australia to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    It’s not extremism, it’s nationalism.

    Recent revelation by Obama should shed some light. Quickest way to unite India is with “Anti-Pakistan” narrative. I’m not refuting the moral problems with it(I refuse to support it) but majority are gullible ones.
    Not liking Pakistan is nationalism, that's fine. Harming your own country in protest against the other is extreme.

    Pakistanis don't like India either, but we wouldn't go to such limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    they'll face backlash from other boards if they keep handing India hosting rights.
    Whthr you like it or not BCCI have very strong economical clout in world cricket.. Where there is money there is Power...
    Do you really think any board outside Big 3 are in position to challenge BCCI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    There will be plenty of support if India refuses to go to Pakistan.
    I would imagine that would be the same bunch of people who were against Pak playing India in WC but then couldnt take their eyes off tv screens when game was played.

    I had an Indian colleague at work who gave me a lecture about India Pakistan politics and why no cricket should be played between them - he went to see the WC game to UK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    There's only 1 way Pakistan can host an ICC event and that is to become an economic powerhouse. Do you see that happening by 2031? I don't think so.

    Your economy talks. Not personalities. Organizations are built to earn money. Period. They don't look after emotions. Can Pakistan provide ICC the same economic outlay as India, Australia/NZ, England? Or even Bnagladesh? No, not even close. So why would ICC choose Pakistan? Out of sympathy?

    Unless Pakistan becomes strong enough to show ICC how much money they can make from having an ICC tournament in Pakistan, or Pakistan can somehow convince all of India, England and Australia, nothing will happen. Sad, but that's the unfortunate reality.
    I thought Pakistan hosted/co hosted a World Cup in 1996 and they were supposed to host the 2008 Champion’s trophy.

    There are too many of these visionary, fortune telling posts in recent threads. Also that thread about the PSL window. Just let things unfold, Wasim Khan isn’t living in la la land to actually even try in the first place if it wasn’t feasible at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Not liking Pakistan is nationalism, that's fine. Harming your own country in protest against the other is extreme.

    Pakistanis don't like India either, but we wouldn't go to such limits.
    Again, Iím not refuting the moral ground. Iím only highlighting the ground reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I refuse to believe that most Indians are stupid enough to forego a chance at an ICC trophy for petty politics.
    You can refuse to believe. But that wont change the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    I would imagine that would be the same bunch of people who were against Pak playing India in WC but then couldnt take their eyes off tv screens when game was played.

    I had an Indian colleague at work who gave me a lecture about India Pakistan politics and why no cricket should be played between them - he went to see the WC game to UK.
    This will be a govt decision. And if the govt decides that Pakistan is a no go, then expect people to support that decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I thought Pakistan hosted/co hosted a World Cup in 1996 and they were supposed to host the 2008 Champion’s trophy.

    There are too many of these visionary, fortune telling posts in recent threads. Also that thread about the PSL window. Just let things unfold, Wasim Khan isn’t living in la la land to actually even try in the first place if it wasn’t feasible at all.
    In 1996, India had nowhere near the clout in ICC that it has today. In fact they were themselves victims of bullying from the ICC.

    Pakistan was also supposed to host the 2011 World Cup. But couldn't. You shouldn't get your hopes up because Pakistan was "supposed" to host something. What actually transpires is more important.

    I do not like the fact that India practically controls the ICC but I'm also not naive enough to think that Pakistan can dictate something to the ICC in the current climate. It can't.

    And nobody's fortune telling here. Everybody's just stating opinions here. My opinion on the matter could end up being wrong. So what.

    There's a reason why events from 2009 have been happening in the Big 3 countries:

    2009: T20 World Cup - England
    2009: Women's World Cup - Australia
    2011: World Cup - India
    2013: Champions Trophy - England
    2013: Women's World Cup - India
    2015: World Cup - Australia
    2017: Champions Trophy - England
    2017: Women's World Cup - England
    2019: World Cup - England
    2021: T20 World Cup - India
    2022: T20 World Cup - Australia
    2023: World Cup - India

    Do you think this is a coincidence???

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    Some of you skeptics have to realize that yes while this is a long shot, the CEO has to start beating the drums of influence now in order to be even in the conversation. Wasim Khan is putting out feelers now, so that when it comes down to the meetings where this is decided he has built up some public pressure to be able to push for the rights to these events. You don't just walk into the deciding meeting and ask for them. He has to start building the ground work for it now.

    It is the same with bringing cricket/PSL back to Pakistan, you have to keep it fresh in people's minds and keep hammering the message home.

    Take the new ICC Chairman's election, there has been public and background lobbying for it for months before this election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    There's only 1 way Pakistan can host an ICC event and that is to become an economic powerhouse. Do you see that happening by 2031? I don't think so.

    Your economy talks. Not personalities. Organizations are built to earn money. Period. They don't look after emotions. Can Pakistan provide ICC the same economic outlay as India, Australia/NZ, England? Or even Bnagladesh? No, not even close. So why would ICC choose Pakistan? Out of sympathy?

    Unless Pakistan becomes strong enough to show ICC how much money they can make from having an ICC tournament in Pakistan, or Pakistan can somehow convince all of India, England and Australia, nothing will happen. Sad, but that's the unfortunate reality.
    Itís about the bottom line - at the end, how much you are burnings net that has the final say. If itís a marginal call, yes there could be subjective preference, quota .... but every proposal has to be neck a neck competitive. FIFA allocates WC by continent (conference), while IOC as well for Olympics, but still within conference/continent the propositions have to be closely matched.

    I read an article and later a PTV interview of Arif Ali Khan Abbasi, who explained what they did and how their proposal for 1996 WC out bidded BCCIís proposal and eventually PAK got a better deal including the Final at Lahore, but things have changed lot since early 90s (when 1996 WC host was finalised). Proposals have to be financially lucrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It’s about the bottom line - at the end, how much you are burnings net that has the final say. If it’s a marginal call, yes there could be subjective preference, quota .... but every proposal has to be neck a neck competitive. FIFA allocates WC by continent (conference), while IOC as well for Olympics, but still within conference/continent the propositions have to be closely matched.

    I read an article and later a PTV interview of Arif Ali Khan Abbasi, who explained what they did and how their proposal for 1996 WC out bidded BCCI’s proposal and eventually PAK got a better deal including the Final at Lahore, but things have changed lot since early 90s (when 1996 WC host was finalised). Proposals have to be financially lucrative.
    I think a joint bid with the UAE increases our chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It’s about the bottom line - at the end, how much you are burnings net that has the final say. If it’s a marginal call, yes there could be subjective preference, quota .... but every proposal has to be neck a neck competitive. FIFA allocates WC by continent (conference), while IOC as well for Olympics, but still within conference/continent the propositions have to be closely matched.

    I read an article and later a PTV interview of Arif Ali Khan Abbasi, who explained what they did and how their proposal for 1996 WC out bidded BCCI’s proposal and eventually PAK got a better deal including the Final at Lahore, but things have changed lot since early 90s (when 1996 WC host was finalised). Proposals have to be financially lucrative.
    I think it also helped that Ehsan Mani was the ICC's financial guy in the mid- to late 90s. He deserves a lot of credit for those late 90s-mid 2000s ICC events. The guy was one of the pioneers of bringing big money into international cricket.

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    Right now PCB is showcasing itself in a strong position where it claims to be safe and secure to host cricket events in PAK but this cannot translate into winning a bid to host Cricket World Events until and unless PAK satisfies ENG & AUS by making them tour Pak

    If these tours of AUS & Eng are executed and held successfully in terms of safety & security only then can PAK claim a bid to host Cricket World Events be it women"s or U19 or men"s T20 or other stuff

    IMO until and unless the AUS & ENG tours aren't underway or held successfully , everything that PCB claims will not have no substantial meaning really,

    rather PCB should really focus on these two big tours and then can they stake a strong claim to host world events

    If this situation where PCB satisfies ECB & Cricket Australia than I believe India will have no options left and has to accept that Pak is safe to host cricket world event and they might participate in the same way PAK participated in WC2011 SF & WT20 2016

    till then PCB has lots to prove

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I think a joint bid with the UAE increases our chances.
    PAK/PCB should avoid indulging with UAE as much as possible when it comes to cricket - that place is not a good association and the more PAK cricket goes along with UAE, itíll get more corrupt and PCB wonít be able to control its players. There is no cricket base, neither followers of cricket there - these sheikhs only bother about cricket as itís easier to bet and lots of ways/bets you can put money in a game .... just shouting for the camels got boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverSir View Post
    I think it also helped that Ehsan Mani was the ICC's financial guy in the mid- to late 90s. He deserves a lot of credit for those late 90s-mid 2000s ICC events. The guy was one of the pioneers of bringing big money into international cricket.
    Mani still has good friends in ICC and ICC is probably at its historical strongest position when it comes to resist bullying - some of the posters here complaining about BCCIís power play & bullying ICC have no clue what TCCB & ACB got out of Imperial Cricket Conference in past. But, what has changed is the state of PAK as a major player in cricket world - both on & off the field - that 1987 & 1996 WCs were shared by two equally matched boards and the smaller of the two had a much stronger, reputed cricket team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    In 1996, India had nowhere near the clout in ICC that it has today. In fact they were themselves victims of bullying from the ICC.

    Pakistan was also supposed to host the 2011 World Cup. But couldn't. You shouldn't get your hopes up because Pakistan was "supposed" to host something. What actually transpires is more important.

    I do not like the fact that India practically controls the ICC but I'm also not naive enough to think that Pakistan can dictate something to the ICC in the current climate. It can't.

    And nobody's fortune telling here. Everybody's just stating opinions here. My opinion on the matter could end up being wrong. So what.

    There's a reason why events from 2009 have been happening in the Big 3 countries:

    2009: T20 World Cup - England
    2009: Women's World Cup - Australia
    2011: World Cup - India
    2013: Champions Trophy - England
    2013: Women's World Cup - India
    2015: World Cup - Australia
    2017: Champions Trophy - England
    2017: Women's World Cup - England
    2019: World Cup - England
    2021: T20 World Cup - India
    2022: T20 World Cup - Australia
    2023: World Cup - India

    Do you think this is a coincidence???
    So the issue is the fact that BCCI (Indian government) is dictating terms with the ICC and not the fact that PCB/Pakistan needs to show itself as an economic powerhouse for it to be considered as a host for ICC events. That I agree with.

    In essence, the PCB and the Pakistani government needs to do its best to normalise its relationship with the BCCI and the Indian government, and this will make things much more easier for the PCB rather than pursuing a goal of economic stability, which may not happen in our lifetime.

    I believe the PCB has the right man in the driving seat in order to make this relationship resume with BCCI in Wasim Khan, his diplomatic skills are excellent and therefore he is our best shot at enabling those ties to resume amicably. The onus is now on BCCI/Indian government to try and let the past go. Some things happened in 2009 which should not have happened, and they have inflicted plenty of damage to PCB and Pakistani cricket fans as it is. Soon, I hope better sense prevails and normalcy resumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverSir View Post
    I think it also helped that Ehsan Mani was the ICC's financial guy in the mid- to late 90s. He deserves a lot of credit for those late 90s-mid 2000s ICC events. The guy was one of the pioneers of bringing big money into international cricket.
    The guy who brought money to cricket was Jagmohan Dalmiya. He first ended the CA ECB veto and then got himself the ICC chair. Then he monetised cricket like nobody had done before.

    Lets start with the 1996 world cup. Dalmiya managed to get a $12mn sponsor deal with ITC, a figure unheard of in cricket. The broadcast deal for uk was sold to sky for 7.5mn, same SKY had paid 1mn in 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post

    As long as BCCI remains in power, Pakistan has much a chance of hosting an ICC tournament as Antarctica.
    Then the BCCI needs to be brought down several pegs. It cannot continue in it's current form if this is the case.

    While we might lament the loss of cricket in Pakistan one day, other countries will fall like dominoes in such a regime. And unlike the Asian subcontinent, everyone else including Aus and Eng have plenty of other sports they can indulge in. India will be playing cricket by themselves before too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Itís about the bottom line - at the end, how much you are burnings net that has the final say. If itís a marginal call, yes there could be subjective preference, quota .... but every proposal has to be neck a neck competitive. FIFA allocates WC by continent (conference), while IOC as well for Olympics, but still within conference/continent the propositions have to be closely matched.

    I read an article and later a PTV interview of Arif Ali Khan Abbasi, who explained what they did and how their proposal for 1996 WC out bidded BCCIís proposal and eventually PAK got a better deal including the Final at Lahore, but things have changed lot since early 90s (when 1996 WC host was finalised). Proposals have to be financially lucrative.
    I dont know about the story of Abbasi, but its common knowledge that the joint bid by india pak and SL guaranteed a minimum of £100k to each team, while England board was offering only £60k.

    Bcci had already fixed finances with ITC for a sponsorship deal and Dalmiya had made sure he talked out his good friend Bacher from bidding.

    If Neil Pereira is to be believed, initially England and SA got 4 votes each, while pakistan had voted for itself. SA was persuaded to drop out in favour of a Bcci bid. Pakistan's lone bid was untenable and they joined SL and India's bid. England finally backed off after they were promised the 1999 WC.

    The 1996 bid meeting was a very acrimonious one. Dalmiya and Bcci openly said that the then Icc president Colin cowdrey had acted in a biased manner. The Dalmiya vs ECB cold war took enormous proportions with Lord Maclaughin coming in 1997.

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    Then the BCCI needs to be brought down several pegs. It cannot continue in it's current form if this is the case.

    While we might lament the loss of cricket in Pakistan one day, other countries will fall like dominoes in such a regime. And unlike the Asian subcontinent, everyone else including Aus and Eng have plenty of other sports they can indulge in. India will be playing cricket by themselves before too long.
    Well change is the only constant. The balance of power in cricket has changed drastically in the last 30 odd years and it will change in the next 30 odd years as well.

    Pakistan might become an economic powerhouse or it might get even worse, India might lose a bit of clout, Bangladesh and Afghanistan could become a big players etc. only time will tell.

    But you cannot force things to happen before their time. Right now, there is nothing PCB can do to stop BCCI in its tracks. If decides to stand up it will be standing alone, as it has in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I thought Pakistan hosted/co hosted a World Cup in 1996 and they were supposed to host the 2008 Champion’s trophy.

    There are too many of these visionary, fortune telling posts in recent threads. Also that thread about the PSL window. Just let things unfold, Wasim Khan isn’t living in la la land to actually even try in the first place if it wasn’t feasible at all.
    PCB is delusional and tends to live in la la land quite a bit, but even PCB is not delusional to the point where it does not realize that it has no chance of hosting a tournament any time soon.

    What PCB is doing is simply throwing its name in the hat and trying to capitalize on the fact that it is on the brink of playing cricket in Pakistan full-time.

    They are simply putting their hands up and telling the big 3 that if they need a break from hosting, Pakistan is also a viable option.

    If PCB does not ask for it, they will never get it. There is nothing wrong with that. However, the point is that it is better for the health of the fans to not get their hopes up, because unless hell freezes over, Pakistan is not getting hosting rights to a tournament any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    they'll face backlash from other boards if they keep handing India hosting rights.
    No one is dumb enough to stand with Pakistan and try to take on the big 3 dominance. The weaker boards know where their interests lie, and they do not lie in backing Pakistan.

    India, Australia and England can keep taking turns as far as hosting tournaments are concerned and no board is going to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So the issue is the fact that BCCI (Indian government) is dictating terms with the ICC and not the fact that PCB/Pakistan needs to show itself as an economic powerhouse for it to be considered as a host for ICC events. That I agree with.

    In essence, the PCB and the Pakistani government needs to do its best to normalise its relationship with the BCCI and the Indian government, and this will make things much more easier for the PCB rather than pursuing a goal of economic stability, which may not happen in our lifetime.

    I believe the PCB has the right man in the driving seat in order to make this relationship resume with BCCI in Wasim Khan, his diplomatic skills are excellent and therefore he is our best shot at enabling those ties to resume amicably. The onus is now on BCCI/Indian government to try and let the past go. Some things happened in 2009 which should not have happened, and they have inflicted plenty of damage to PCB and Pakistani cricket fans as it is. Soon, I hope better sense prevails and normalcy resumes.
    Firstly, Pakistani government is powerless when it comes to foreign policy especially Indian policy. The military elite runs the show in Pakistan and it is not in their best interests to normalize relations with India.

    That is why as long as they are running the show, the relationship between the two countries will be rocky at best.

    Secondly, you only offer a handshake and want to forget the past when you are in a weak position and the status quo does not suit you.

    When you are in a position of power and the status quo suits you, you are not bothered about offering a handshake and forgetting the past.

    The reality is that the current situation is ideal for BCCI and they will not look to normalize relationship with PCB unless and until they start to lose clout which is highly unlikely to happen in the near future.

    If PCB was in the position BCCI is today, they would not be looking to normalize things either and you would have been one of those people to really enjoy the status quo. That is life.

    Thirdly, donít bank on Wasim Khan because he is going back to the UK and will not renew his contract.

    So in conclusion, there is only one way for PCB to have bigger influence - the Pakistani economy has to grow and ICC and the big 3 can look at Pakistan and see dollar signs in their eyes. That will slowly turn the big 3 into big 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Firstly, Pakistani government is powerless when it comes to foreign policy especially Indian policy. The military elite runs the show in Pakistan and it is not in their best interests to normalize relations with India.

    That is why as long as they are running the show, the relationship between the two countries will be rocky at best.

    Secondly, you only offer a handshake and want to forget the past when you are in a weak position and the status quo does not suit you.

    When you are in a position of power and the status quo suits you, you are not bothered about offering a handshake and forgetting the past.

    The reality is that the current situation is ideal for BCCI and they will not look to normalize relationship with PCB unless and until they start to lose clout which is highly unlikely to happen in the near future.

    If PCB was in the position BCCI is today, they would not be looking to normalize things either and you would have been one of those people to really enjoy the status quo. That is life.

    Thirdly, donít bank on Wasim Khan because he is going back to the UK and will not renew his contract.

    So in conclusion, there is only one way for PCB to have bigger influence - the Pakistani economy has to grow and ICC and the big 3 can look at Pakistan and see dollar signs in their eyes. That will slowly turn the big 3 into big 4.
    Right now in the ICC, its a striaght fight between Bcci and PCB. There are couple of test nations who support PCB and are banking on Imran Khawaja keeping the ICC chairman's role by default ( That is Barclay not getting 11 votes and two third majority and hence Khawaja continues with support of 6 members). They and PCB will then try to get as much as they can through the Chairman and CEO.

    BCCI ofcourse is trying to flip as many votes it can towards Barclay. In case they can't, it remains to be seen how Bcci reacts if a minority supported candidate gets to keep the board seat.

    Overall, the relationship between Bcci and PCB keeps getting worse.

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    Good move by PCB to ask for joint bid with UAE for a world cup. Pretty much teams like India and Australia if the refuse to play in pakistan can play the games in the UAE for group stages. Then when it comes to Semi-finals and a final. if team get through they would have a decision to make. All hypothetical but at least PCB is putting thought into things.

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    Karachi: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB)’s chief executive Wasim Khan said they are working hard for bidding ICC events this year in October.

    Speaking to reporters in Lahore on Saturday, the CEO said Pakistan has hosted several international matches including Pakistan Super League (PSL) since 2018 and now they are aiming to host ICC events.

    “By October-November this year, we will submit our application to bid ICC events between 2023-31. We have shown interest in seven to eight ICC events and for that, we need to work hard. We are focused and preparing our portfolio for a strong bid,” he said.

    “Meanwhile, we are also working on Future Tours Program 2023-27 with ICC and fellow cricket boards,” he shared.

    Talking about the South Africa tour of Pakistan after 14 years, Khan said it was an emotional moment for him and the whole country. “Everyone wanted big teams to come to Pakistan. I am really excited for this series and hoping to make it a big one,” he concluded.

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    That's maybe a bit too early. Teams like Australia haven't done tours to us for decades so maybe having them first would be a start

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    Worth a punt, could grab an U19 WC or Qualifier event out of it.

    Need to upgrade our stadiums though, even after the so-called renovations they still look so ramshackle.

    Get rid of those concrete slabs and install proper seats for god's sakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    That's maybe a bit too early. Teams like Australia haven't done tours to us for decades so maybe having them first would be a start
    This may seem early but they have to bid for tournaments in Oct this year otherwise they will have to wait till 2032 for bidding again for next cycle of events.
    They will bidded for tournaments which will be scheduled towards the end of this decade.
    In the meantime, SENA Countries would have toured 2-3 times.
    Last edited by waheed_sofi; 23rd January 2021 at 20:10.


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