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    In India, a vocal Muslim party, All India Majlis-e-Ittehad-ul-Muslimeen (AIMIM), expands its base

    Mudassir Nazar’s family has traditionally voted for opposition parties that espouse secularism but in the recently concluded elections in the eastern Indian state of Bihar they instead cast their ballot for the All India Majlis-e-Ittehad-ul-Muslimeen (AIMIM) party which advocates for the rights of Muslims and other marginalised groups.

    “Our village [Bohita] almost unanimously voted for AIMIM,” said Nazar from Muslim-majority Kishanganj district in Seemanchal region of Bihar.

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    AIMIM managed to win five seats from the state which has a substantial Muslim population. Its residents say India’s opposition parties which espouse secularism have ignored the impoverished region for decades, which is wedged between Nepal and Bangladesh.

    “There is a sense in the (Muslim) community that secular parties like (Indian National) Congress have betrayed the Muslims,” Nazar told Al Jazeera.

    “They (the so-called secular parties) have been reluctant to even talk about the anti-minority decisions of the ruling government, let alone oppose them. AIMIM on the other hand has been pretty vocal and seems to have gained the trust of the community,” he said.

    Indian Muslims, who form 14 percent of the country’s 1.3 billion population, have become increasingly marginalised in recent years as they suffer from political underrepresentation. The new Bihar cabinet will have no Muslim minister for the first time in its history.

    Currently, out of the 543 members in the lower house of India’s bicameral parliament, only 27 (less than 4 percent) of its members are Muslims – a gain of four seats compared to the 2014 elections, which was the lowest in 40 years.

    Hindu nationalist agenda
    Since coming to power in 2014, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as part of its Hindu nationalist agenda, has passed several laws and legislation that critics say discriminate against Muslims.

    Last year, a controversial citizenship law, which activists say is not in line with the country’s secular constitution and a proposed citizenship register sparked nationwide protests led mostly by Muslims.

    For decades, AIMIM was confined to the southern city of Hyderabad in Telangana state but in recent years it has managed to venture into Muslim-majority areas, tapping into Muslim frustration about political disenfranchisement [File: Noah Seelam/AFP]
    The Modi government also stripped the disputed Kashmir region’s limited freedoms last August and placed the Muslim-majority region under a communication blockade for more than six months.
    Opposition parties such as the National Indian Congress party, for whom Muslims have traditionally voted for, have been accused of being silent on key issues which threaten the Muslim community – India’s largest minority group.

    For decades, AIMIM was confined to the southern city of Hyderabad in Telangana state but in recent years it has managed to venture into Muslim-majority areas, tapping into Muslim frustration about political disenfranchisement.

    The party is led by Asaduddin Owaisi, a four-time member of parliament known for his feisty debates in parliament as well as on TV. Owaisi has emerged as a vocal conduit for Muslim issues in the country.

    AIMIM has accused India’s opposition parties of failing to speak out against Modi’s Hindu nationalist agenda.

    “These (secular) parties out of various electoral compulsions have not come forward openly to protest against the decisions of the (BJP) government that go against fundamental values of the (Indian) constitution. That has led some sections of Muslims to turn to AIMIM, as they see it as a counter-force,” Avinash Kumar, an assistant professor in political studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), New Delhi, told Al Jazeera.

    “When every so-called secular party is competing to prove itself as a torchbearer of majoritarianism, while ignoring the condition of marginalised communities, it is a very natural process to see the rise of a party with [a] focus on the plight of a particular community.”

    A nationwide appeal
    During state election campaigning in Bihar, the Congress party and its regional ally the Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) avoided raising issues that were pertinent to Muslims.

    “These parties campaigned on issues like employment and development only, because by raking up minority discrimination issues, they didn’t want to let go of the majority votes,” Majid Alam, a journalist based in Bihar, told Al Jazeera.


    “So a section of Muslim voters decided it was time to fully rally behind a party (AIMIM) that was vocal about their issues.”

    Some analysts say that AIMIM will emerge as the first Muslim political group in the country’s post-independence history with a nationwide appeal, though an overwhelming majority of Muslims still vote for opposition parties.

    “We have raised issues of injustices meted out to all minorities including Muslims and people acknowledge that. It has now started to reflect in our electoral performances,” Waris Pathan, National Spokesperson of AIMIM, told Al Jazeera.

    The party polled more than 500,000 votes in the recent elections versus the 2015 state elections when it had barely managed 80,000 votes and did not win a single seat.

    “Bihar is not an aberration. We have improved our numbers wherever we are contesting. In Maharashtra (elections) last year we increased our vote share substantially and also managed a couple of seats,” Pathan said.

    However, the senior leader and national spokesperson of AIMIM, Syed Asim Waqar believes the party is a viable alternative not only for Muslims but for the country as a whole.

    “We never represent ourselves as a Muslim party, Waqar told Al Jazeera. “We have managed to win seats even in areas where Hindu population is in majority and Muslim percentage is very less. It is possible only because Hindus particularly Dalits are also voting for us.”

    In the Bihar state elections, the party joined with the Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) and Rashtriya Lok Samta Party (RLSP), which represent various marginalised castes other than Muslims.

    Muslim-Dalit alliance

    AIMIM formed an alliance with a Dalit party in Maharashtra in the 2019 general elections and won a parliamentary seat outside its bastion in Hyderabad for the first time.

    Political analysts say AIMIM’s rise has been possible largely because of the charisma of Owaisi, who has captured the imagination of India’s young Muslim voters.

    “His appearance, style and language are no match to any of his contemporaries and that has been a huge factor in the rise of AIMIM, ” said Mohammad Reyaz, an assistant professor of journalism at Aliah University in the eastern city of Kolkata.

    Dressed in a Sherwani, a traditional long tunic worn by South Asian Muslims – and sporting a skull cap, the 51-year-old leader of AIMIM can often be seen fiercely debating his opponents on prime time TV news.

    “He (Owaisi) also speaks well in the parliament; with a lot of authority and after thorough research. That has also captured the minds of Muslim voters and obviously, it is now getting reflected in his electoral numbers,” Kumar from JNU said.

    But some opposition parties in the country accuse AIMIM of dividing the Muslim vote, thereby helping the BJP.

    “While the Bharatiya Janata Party is polarising the people of the country on religious lines, AIMIM is also doing the same. It (AIMIM) never achieves anything substantial electorally but only divides Muslim votes which helps BJP and its allies to come to power,” Meem Afzal, the national spokesperson of the Indian National Congress party told Al Jazeera.


    Unfazed by criticism, the party is now eying the upcoming elections in West Bengal state where Muslims form 27 percent of the population.

    “The aim definitely is to establish a pan-India presence,” Adil Hasan Azad, AIMIM Youth President of Bihar, told Al Jazeera.

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    However, the senior leader and national spokesperson of AIMIM, Syed Asim Waqar believes the party is a viable alternative not only for Muslims but for the country as a whole.

    “We never represent ourselves as a Muslim party, Waqar told Al Jazeera. “We have managed to win seats even in areas where Hindu population is in majority and Muslim percentage is very less. It is possible only because Hindus particularly Dalits are also voting for us.”

    What a load of crap!

    Did this guy keep a straight face while saying this?

    Lol at dalits supporting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    What a load of crap!

    Did this guy keep a straight face while saying this?

    Lol at dalits supporting them.
    Just like BJP represents all Indians eh?

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    Welcome news. I hope it grows to be like All India Muslim League. The Muslims of India need a separate homeland where they won't be enslaved by the Hindu majority. Good luck to this new party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    What a load of crap!

    Did this guy keep a straight face while saying this?

    Lol at dalits supporting them.
    “We have managed to win seats even in areas where Hindu population is in majority and Muslim percentage is very less”

    Is this part a lie? If not then how are they winning in Hindu majority areas with just Muslim support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Welcome news. I hope it grows to be like All India Muslim League. The Muslims of India need a separate homeland where they won't be enslaved by the Hindu majority. Good luck to this new party.
    Members of this party are more vocally patriotic than some BJP wallas, even in States I see their supporters have a massive dislike for Pakistanis than many Hindus.

    It would be interesting to see them in power as well , it would be like per partition- RSS and Muslim league joining to defeat Congress (Which is what happened in Bihar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    “We have managed to win seats even in areas where Hindu population is in majority and Muslim percentage is very less”

    Is this part a lie? If not then how are they winning in Hindu majority areas with just Muslim support?
    Don't know if it's true or not, but that's not really a good reasoning.

    The city that I live in is almost 70% Hindu but AIMIM has more assembly seats than any other party in the city. It has more to do with scattering of votes than people outright supporting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    “We have managed to win seats even in areas where Hindu population is in majority and Muslim percentage is very less”

    Is this part a lie? If not then how are they winning in Hindu majority areas with just Muslim support?
    I would like to know too which areas?

    But in bihar if they fight a Muslim and Yadav dominated seat they may win with a hindu majority population too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Just like BJP represents all Indians eh?
    I'm sorry I didn't catch your point.

    Are you saying that AIMIM are a better representation of Indian non-muslims than BJP are of Indians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Members of this party are more vocally patriotic than some BJP wallas, even in States I see their supporters have a massive dislike for Pakistanis than many Hindus.

    It would be interesting to see them in power as well , it would be like per partition- RSS and Muslim league joining to defeat Congress (Which is what happened in Bihar)
    Yes, congress is such a big power that it takes collective effort by bjp and aimim to defeat it.

    Rise of AIMIM is going to harm the pseudo seculars, and that can only be good. muslims will no longer have to be hostage of these sickulars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    I'm sorry I didn't catch your point.

    Are you saying that AIMIM are a better representation of Indian non-muslims than BJP are of Indians?
    Loll yeah.. AIMIM maybe able to represent Dalits better than BJP has done

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Yes, congress is such a big power that it takes collective effort by bjp and aimim to defeat it.

    Rise of AIMIM is going to harm the pseudo seculars, and that can only be good. muslims will no longer have to be hostage of these sickulars.
    True .. As I said i hope they include Dalits as well, thats a great votebank- Dalits and Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Loll yeah.. AIMIM maybe able to represent Dalits better than BJP has done
    .........


    How?

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    Congress is clueless now lol its almost amusing to see them getting annihilated, they are going to be neither here nor there lol maybe then they would finally start practicing internal democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    .........


    How?
    How what? Lol just google BJP dalit.. unless you have issue with sources and media?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Loll yeah.. AIMIM maybe able to represent Dalits better than BJP has done
    Lol. Do read about the views of Ambedkar on Muslims. Dalits do not support any muslim party, no matter how much muslim parties try to woo them to get the votes.

    This wooing of dalits by muslim parties started after hindu consolidation of votes has rendered muslim votebank ineffective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    How what? Lol just google BJP dalit.. unless you have issue with sources and media?
    Can you name some dalit leaders in the AIMIM? Thanks.

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    BJP's cabinet has more dalits than any other previous govts but AIMIM are a better representation of dalits because they shed a few crocodile tears here and there for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    True .. As I said i hope they include Dalits as well, thats a great votebank- Dalits and Muslims.
    One vertical and one horizontal identity will not work. From ones ivory tower it looks like a killer combination, but at the grassroots the reality is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Lol. Do read about the views of Ambedkar on Muslims. Dalits do not support any muslim party, no matter how much muslim parties try to woo them to get the votes.

    This wooing of dalits by muslim parties started after hindu consolidation of votes has rendered muslim votebank ineffective.
    Ambedkar’s views on Brahmins and Hindus should also be read if thats the criteria .. probably open a thread on the same?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    BJP's cabinet has more dalits than any other previous govts but AIMIM are a better representation of dalits because they shed a few crocodile tears here and there for obvious reasons.
    Congress has so many Hindus in their Ranks as well..are you saying it represents the ambition of Hindus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    One vertical and one horizontal identity will not work. From ones ivory tower it looks like a killer combination, but at the grassroots the reality is different.
    I think both are vertical.. why do you think Hinduism is horizontal or vice versa? Dont both get passed on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Ambedkar’s views on Brahmins and Hindus should also be read if thats the criteria .. probably open a thread on the same?
    Brahmins not hindus. And Ambedkar throughout his life allied with Hindus and not muslims. He converted to a dharmic religion, Buddhism and not islam.

    Ambedkar had issues with caste system and brahmanical supremacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Congress has so many Hindus in their Ranks as well..are you saying it represents the ambition of Hindus?
    Hindus? It does get Hindu votes. Doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Brahmins not hindus. And Ambedkar throughout his life allied with Hindus and not muslims. He converted to a dharmic religion, Buddhism and not islam.

    Ambedkar had issues with caste system and brahmanical supremacy.
    Literally first thing on google:

    Dr Ambedkar did not see anything positive in the Hindu religion because there was no place for humanity in it. In ‘Annihilation of Caste’, he also writes, “The Hindu religion is nothing but a horde of ideals and constraints

    ——-

    Hinduism is caste based , we can speak the day its not caste based, also religion itself is negative you seem to argue which is less worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Literally first thing on google:

    Dr Ambedkar did not see anything positive in the Hindu religion because there was no place for humanity in it. In ‘Annihilation of Caste’, he also writes, “The Hindu religion is nothing but a horde of ideals and constraints

    ——-

    Hinduism is caste based , we can speak the day its not caste based, also religion itself is negative you seem to argue which is less worse?


    Here, then, is Ambedkar on Islam:

    “Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to bind people together. This is only a half-truth. For Islam divides as inexorably as it binds. Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity. The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs. To the Muslim ibi bene ibi patria [Where it is well with me, there is my country] is unthinkable. Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin.”


    Lets not forget, Ambedkar was one of the few leaders who wanted to transfer the entire muslim population to Pakistan. He was also a vocal critic of the Nehru Liyaqat Pact and wanted the entire hindu population to be transferred to India.

    He saw no cooperation between Muslims and Dalits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I think both are vertical.. why do you think Hinduism is horizontal or vice versa? Dont both get passed on?
    Dalit is a horizontal classification, while muslim is a vertical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Welcome news. I hope it grows to be like All India Muslim League. The Muslims of India need a separate homeland where they won't be enslaved by the Hindu majority. Good luck to this new party.
    Its already there. It goes by the name Pakistan. Anyone who wishes to have a separate homeland can go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Here, then, is Ambedkar on Islam:

    “Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to bind people together. This is only a half-truth. For Islam divides as inexorably as it binds. Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity. The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs. To the Muslim ibi bene ibi patria [Where it is well with me, there is my country] is unthinkable. Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin.”
    This is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Here, then, is Ambedkar on Islam:

    He saw no cooperation between Muslims and Dalits.
    If Dalits converted to Islam then their would be cooperation. Certanily more than between Brahmins and Dalits.

    And in a few generations their descendants would not even know their ancestors were Dalits.

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    Good that Indian Muslims are voting for AIMIM. This way they cant be accused of being Congress's vote bank. Its up to Hindus to decide what type of India they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker_Ind View Post
    Its already there. It goes by the name Pakistan. Anyone who wishes to have a separate homeland can go there.
    Pakistan is not taking in Muslims of Kerala, Gujarat, Karnataka, etc. We dont have one inch of those states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Members of this party are more vocally patriotic than some BJP wallas, even in States I see their supporters have a massive dislike for Pakistanis than many Hindus.
    pbly true, but even if this wasnt the case they would never want to appear not anti-pakistani. thats a one way ticket to be labelled as anti-nationalist terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    pbly true, but even if this wasnt the case they would never want to appear not anti-pakistani. thats a one way ticket to be labelled as anti-nationalist terrorists.
    Which is true but these ones particularly don’t care.. you would know what i mean once you meet them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Here, then, is Ambedkar on Islam:

    “Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to bind people together. This is only a half-truth. For Islam divides as inexorably as it binds. Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity. The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs. To the Muslim ibi bene ibi patria [Where it is well with me, there is my country] is unthinkable. Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin.”


    Lets not forget, Ambedkar was one of the few leaders who wanted to transfer the entire muslim population to Pakistan. He was also a vocal critic of the Nehru Liyaqat Pact and wanted the entire hindu population to be transferred to India.

    He saw no cooperation between Muslims and Dalits.
    This is true for any ideology even today. Which nation or religion allows any organisation which doesn't believe in it's own values and principles to share dominion equally?


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    Sounds like they're splitting/dividing the anti-BJP vote...is this really a good idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    This is true for any ideology even today. Which nation or religion allows any organisation which doesn't believe in it's own values and principles to share dominion equally?
    I thought you would refute Ambedkar's assertion that muslims have contempt and enmity for non-muslims but iinstead you double down on it. Interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    I thought you would refute Ambedkar's assertion that muslims have contempt and enmity for non-muslims but iinstead you double down on it. Interesting.
    India and Hinduism has be accommodating to most religions from all over the world (Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam ) to build their specific places of worship and practice their own beliefs in India. This is due to the fact Hinduism believes all religions are pathways to gods, where as if you go to muslim countries the same cannot be said..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Good that Indian Muslims are voting for AIMIM. This way they cant be accused of being Congress's vote bank. Its up to Hindus to decide what type of India they want.

    The more muslims vote for aimim, the more there is counter polarization and Bjp gaining.

    At the end of the day, Muslims have only 15 percent votes. Thats why they have tried to make a partnership with Dalits, who ofcourse are not taking the bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    This is true.



    If Dalits converted to Islam then their would be cooperation. Certanily more than between Brahmins and Dalits.

    And in a few generations their descendants would not even know their ancestors were Dalits.
    Why will they become muslims, when they have a plethora of religions to convert or be an atheist. Ambedkar chose to be a Buddhist.

    Dalits and most influential dalit leaders have rejected the concept of converting to Islam.

    You are right, converts after a few generations think they were always muslims. You see lots of posyers on PP, claiming the glories and victories of Arabs Turks or other central asians as their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yadunoe View Post
    BJP and modi days are numbered with the punjab farmer dispute, india cant survive without punjabi farmers
    Lol. You are highly mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Pakistan is not taking in Muslims of Kerala, Gujarat, Karnataka, etc. We dont have one inch of those states.
    Well Pakistan was formed in 1947 so that any muslim of the subcontinent can migrate to that muslim homeland. Was there a concept that muslims only those states from where territory was given to Pakistan will be allowed to migrate to Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    It might have nothing to do with religion, but upper caste Hindus have discriminated against dalits using religion as a justification for thousands of years.

    So when posters play the Hindu tolerant Muslim intolerant card, Dalits will always be brought up.
    Muslims discriminate against everyone who is not a muslim. Including dalits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    I thought you would refute Ambedkar's assertion that muslims have contempt and enmity for non-muslims but iinstead you double down on it. Interesting.
    Those were the words of a hindu/buddhist, I don't have to refute words which belong to him and not myself. I made it quite clear with my actual words which part I was referring to and I will repeat my post for the sake of clarity:

    "This is true for any ideology even today. Which nation or religion allows any organisation which doesn't believe in it's own values and principles to share dominion equally?"


    If there is anything there you want to contest then feel free to do so.
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    Assam, India – Human rights activist, journalist, poet: Shajahan Ali Ahmed has worn many hats. And now he has plunged into an electoral race with the aim of bridging the gulf between Bengali-origin Muslims and the Bodo tribal group in India’s northeastern state of Assam.

    As a leader of the All Assam Minority Students Union (AAMSU) – an influential grassroots organisation – Shajahan, as he is popularly known as, has worked for victims of organised violence, told stories of Bengali Muslims excluded from the National Register of Citizens (NRC), and expressed the community’s pain through poetry in a local dialect known as Miya.

    The Bodo group is believed to be behind several deadly attacks on Muslims and other Indigenous groups during their decades-long armed rebellion, which ended after the group was granted a measure of autonomy in 2003.

    Shajahan, a Bengali-origin Muslim who has faced discrimination and ethnoreligious profiling, wants the people in the region to turn the page on its bloody past.

    The 32-year-old activist has come a long way from helping impoverished Muslims living in the “chars” (islands) of Brahmaputra river to moving with an entourage of party workers and a security detail in Bodo-dominated villages.

    For the past month, he’s been driving up and down for hours a day, hoping to claim a piece of the political pie in the Bodoland Territorial Council (BTC) – an autonomous body sanctioned by India’s constitution – election.

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    On Monday, voting kicked off in the first phase of the elections for the Bodoland Territorial Autonomous Districts (BTAD) comprising four districts: Kokrajhar, Baksa, Chirang and Udalguri. A second round will be held on December 10 to conclude the elections for the 40-seat BTC.

    While campaigning in the interior pockets of the Mathanguri constituency in the Baksa district, Shajahan connects candidly with audiences, men and women, the youth or the elderly.

    “Do you still fear going to Muslim villages?” he asked, addressing a crowd of fewer than 100 people, mostly women, gathered in another Bodo village near Khagrabari in Baksa.

    He is met with silence, to be expected given that alleged fighters from the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB) had shot 42 Muslims in nearby Khagrabari in 2014. Two years earlier, nearly 100 people were killed, most of them Muslims, in ethnic violence between the Bodos and Muslims in neighbouring Kokrajhar district.

    After a bit of prodding, the crowd feels enough at ease to nod, some responded out loud: Yes.

    Not mincing his words, Shajahan addressed the insecurities on both sides and the need for peace and amity between the two communities – a refreshing change in Assam politics where ethnic groups have been pitted against each other.

    The Bodos have been accused of targeting Muslims and adivasis Indigenous groups, displacing tens of thousands from the area which now forms part of the BTAD.

    They fought for a separate state but settled for the autonomous BTC that the tribal group believes will address their cultural, political and economic marginalisation.

    The Bodoland territory is protected under the sixth schedule of the Indian constitution, which grants them special privileges, such as reserving 70 percent of the seats in the BTC for them.

    Although a minority in the BTAD, the Miyas (a pejorative term used for Bengali-origin Muslims who arrived in Assam over as early as the colonial period in early 20th century) form one-third of state’s 30 million population.

    Muslims, most of whom settled in the Brahmaputra river valley, have largely adopted the Assamese language and culture, yet continue to be viewed as so-called “illegal” Bangladeshis by the Indigenous plain tribes and Hindu Assamese communities.

    Anti-Muslim rhetoric reached its crescendo in the 1980s, with mass agitation calling for expulsion of Bengali-origin people – both Muslims and Hindus – who arrived in Assam following the bloody civil war in neighbouring Bangladesh in 1971.

    In 1983, more than 2,000 Muslims were massacred in a matter of hours in Nellie village (in the erstwhile Nowgong district) – about 122 km (75 miles) north of the state capital Guwahati.

    Shajahan would know just how deep and dangerous prejudice runs since his own family was displaced from Baksa to neighbouring Barpeta during the 1994 violence, a year after the first Bodo peace accord was signed. Only six years old then, he lost his uncle to the violence.

    Years later, when the NRC exercise, aimed at identifying undocumented immigrants from Bangladesh – kicked off in Assam, he was out every single day helping poor and illiterate families fill out forms and arrange necessary papers.

    “By 6am [local time], he would be out of the house and return only by 3am [local time] the next day,” said Arifa Parbin, his wife with whom he has a four-year-old daughter. “But I don’t mind since he’s doing good work, helping people.”

    NRC list
    In the NRC, published last year, Shajahan and 29 members of his family were excluded – along with 1.9 million applicants in Assam – despite submitting the requisite documents. He suspects his political opponents had a hand in the exclusion. However, he remains eligible to contest the elections until a local quasi-judicial specialised court known as the Foreign Tribunals decides his fate.

    In this election, the Bodoland Peoples Front (BPF), which has been ruling the autonomous region since 2005, is on the back foot as rival Bodo armed groups have also joined the poll fray after signing a peace treaty in January this year.

    Meanwhile, the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which runs both Assam and the central government, has launched an aggressive campaign to wrest power in the region.

    Shahjahan is fighting on a ticket from a newly formed United People’s Progressive Liberal party (UPPL), which has given tickets to five Muslim candidates – a first in the history of BTC elections.

    Bodoland is protected under the sixth schedule of the Indian constitution [Prakash Bhuyan/Al Jazeera]
    Formed by Pramod Boro, the former President of the All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), the UPPL is fighting against the 15-year incumbency of Hagrama Mohilary-led BPF on a “secular” politics platform.
    ABSU was a key stakeholder in the peace talks responsible for bringing the Bodo armed factions together.

    Shajahan said the January accord, which also talks about the welfare of minorities, ushered in new hope for peace and development for Bodos and non-Bodos alike in the region.

    “For the first time, minority Muslims feel like there’s someone else looking out for their welfare and development,” he told Al Jazeera.

    State failure in bringing those behind violence to justice remains a major thorn in any process to bring hostilities between two marginalised communities to an end. Several activists have expressed disappointment over the amnesty to Bodo fighters booked under non-heinous crimes.

    Abdul Kalam Azad, a researcher who has researched the families displaced by violence, said many survivors were forced to withdraw their police complaints. “Till today, most of the victims are awaiting justice,” he told Al Jazeera.

    Shajahan said he favoured the “more urgent” need for proper compensation and resettlement for the families who have not been able to go back to their villages yet – a direction more in line with his party manifesto than his days of organising massacre memorials and demanding justice.

    Boro, of the newly-formed UPPL party, said they would start a reconciliation movement in the region for those who have been affected by the violence. “In our region, the conflict took place because of an unruly situation and ignorant government agents, who did not take smaller incidents seriously enough before it grew into full blown violence,” he said.
    If his party wins the election, Boro said, his government would set up a committee under the social welfare department, where the grievances of all the communities would be heard.

    Even as scepticism may abound on the peace accord or a new government being a new dawn for development and peaceful resolution, Shajahan believes that UPPL’s diversity and inclusion of minorities in its manifesto is worth a lot.

    “Pramod Boro gave me a ticket, knowing well that I’m a social activist and my name is out of the NRC,” he said.

    “If nothing else, this is a message [of inclusion] to everyone in BTR, Assam and the rest of India.

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    3-5 years ago I thought Al Jazeera was an amazing Global news network of Asia , lol their bias is as bad as others or worse at times.

    Reuters which i genuinely admire is also having issues nowadays , leaning liberal/left.

    Its unfortunate that I have to refer to 3 news reports to confirm one news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    Don't know if it's true or not, but that's not really a good reasoning.

    The city that I live in is almost 70% Hindu but AIMIM has more assembly seats than any other party in the city. It has more to do with scattering of votes than people outright supporting them.
    Then how does that happen? Surely there has to be support among the Hindus to win seats? It has to be one of 3 things:

    1) Muslims are concentrated in certain constituencies which this party then wins due to Muslim majorities. But then it wouldn’t explain your claim that ‘AIMM has more seats than any other party in the city)

    2) Muslims are spread across the city so the party captures that vote and significant non Muslim (ie hindu) vote to give it more seats than any other seats. In that case yes they are winning support from Hindus.

    3) your claim that AIMM has more seats than any other in a city with >70% hindu population is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The more muslims vote for aimim, the more there is counter polarization and Bjp gaining.

    At the end of the day, Muslims have only 15 percent votes. Thats why they have tried to make a partnership with Dalits, who ofcourse are not taking the bait.
    Well when they voted for Congress BJP used that as a reason to mobilize Hindus to vote for BJP. At least if they vote for AIMIM Congress can no longer be viewed as appeasing Muslims.


    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Well Pakistan was formed in 1947 so that any muslim of the subcontinent can migrate to that muslim homeland. Was there a concept that muslims only those states from where territory was given to Pakistan will be allowed to migrate to Pakistan?
    No thats not why Pakistan was formed. It was formed so Muslims can have poltiical power in a portion of the subcontinent, as the Muslim League and Congress could not agree on how to share power.

    The concept at partition was that no one should move. Once Punjab was heading to a civil war, a population transfer happened there.

    However no way were Muslims of Tamil Nadu, and Kerala, and Karnataka supposed to come to Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why will they become muslims, when they have a plethora of religions to convert or be an atheist. Ambedkar chose to be a Buddhist.

    Dalits and most influential dalit leaders have rejected the concept of converting to Islam.
    I am not saying they should became Muslims, nor am I saying they are converting to Islam in a sizeable number. Only saying if they became Muslims then Muslims would care about their issues. Majority of Muslims dont care about inter caste Hindu issues. For example if Dalits are being discriminated in mandirs, Muslims wont care. However if they converted to Islam, and had problems in mosques then Muslims would care.


    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post

    You are right, converts after a few generations think they were always muslims.
    Its not about forgetting that at one point in time they would have had non Muslim ancestors. Its about forgetting that they were low castes. There are millions of Muslims in Pakistan with surnames that would indicate that at one time they had ancestors who were upper caste Hindus. Surnames like Butt, and Bhatti, and Wani, etc. Heck in India they might be some Joshi's who are Muslims as well.

    But for say a chamaar, if they leave Hinduisim, their is no reason to keep their caste based surname. That surname would bring nothing but humilation as it indicated that at one point their family had such a low status. So its best to change it, and after changing it in a few generations their descendants would not know that they were Dalits and had a such a low status in society.

    Other surnames that Muslims have like Bukhari dont indicate a family occupation. 500 years ago ones ancestors could have been cooks, or worked in the stable, or some other menial job. Or they could have been a high ranked soldier, or buerurcrat, or scholar. Its impossible to know, so those surnames neither give you prestige or shame. Just indicate a geographical region from where ones family came.


    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You see lots of posyers on PP, claiming the glories and victories of Arabs Turks or other central asians as their own.
    People always claim the glory of the elites of their ethncity as their own. So if you are referring to the Muslims of those origin who settled in the subcontinent, those people are considerded locals by Pakistani and Indian Muslims. So its no different than Maratha's taking pride Shivaji, or Sikhs taking pride in Ranjith Singh. So same way subcontient Muslims take pride in the culture that Muslim Kings created. From cusine, arhcitechture, language, clothing, poetry, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Well when they voted for Congress BJP used that as a reason to mobilize Hindus to vote for BJP. At least if they vote for AIMIM Congress can no longer be viewed as appeasing Muslims.




    No thats not why Pakistan was formed. It was formed so Muslims can have poltiical power in a portion of the subcontinent, as the Muslim League and Congress could not agree on how to share power.

    The concept at partition was that no one should move. Once Punjab was heading to a civil war, a population transfer happened there.

    However no way were Muslims of Tamil Nadu, and Kerala, and Karnataka supposed to come to Pakistan.
    Congress and a number of opposition parties are still appeasing the muslims as they know AIMIM has a very limited influence.

    Pakistan was formed as a muslim homeland and all muslims of British India has the option of moving to Pakistan or staying in India. There was never any question of denying muslims from south India the right to move to Pakistan if they wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Congress and a number of opposition parties are still appeasing the muslims as they know AIMIM has a very limited influence.
    BJP just won a landslide last year. What benefit are the oppositin parties getting from appeasing Muslims? And what benefits are Muslims getting? If anything Congress has expressed support for Ram Mandir, are starting to visit mandirs more often, mentioning beef ban support, basically they are soft Hindutva option.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Congress and a number of opposition parties are still appeasing the muslims as they know AIMIM has a very limited influence.

    Pakistan was formed as a muslim homeland and all muslims of British India has the option of moving to Pakistan or staying in India. There was never any question of denying muslims from south India the right to move to Pakistan if they wanted to.

    The Muslim majority regions did not want to take in Muslims from other parts of India in any sizeable number. Whether its South, North, etc.

    Sindhi Muslims did not want Urdu Speaking Muslims to come from UP, Hyderabad, and Delhi to Karachi, and for Sindhis to became a minority in their capital.

    When a large number of people migrate assimilation becames impossible, and the locals resent it. Urdu Speaking people who settled in Interior Sindh, can speak Sindhi now. The ones who settled in Punjab can speak Punjabi now. However in Karachi they became the majority, so there was no need for them to learn Sindhi and assimilate in the existing culture.

    So their was certanily a question of denying Muslims from other parts of India to live in Pakistan.

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    The more he expand the more beneficial to BJP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    The more he expand the more beneficial to BJP.
    Yup. If such is the case, the people, who are otherwise reluctant to vote for BJP, will vote in the end. This actually benefits BJP more than anything.

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    Until Indian muslims remain scattered throughout India, nothing will change for them. Sad truth for them. A political consciousness needs to be born and they should start moving closer to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Until Indian muslims remain scattered throughout India, nothing will change for them. Sad truth for them. A political consciousness needs to be born and they should start moving closer to each other.
    Its not THAT easy. The social construction, political environment changes drastically from state to state as you already know. No two state has the same problems. Since you don't have the same issues in hand, it's impossible to accommodate everyone only in the basis of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Yup. If such is the case, the people, who are otherwise reluctant to vote for BJP, will vote in the end. This actually benefits BJP more than anything.
    Exactly.
    MIM is helping to BJP, this is already proved in recent elections.
    In recent Hyderabad GHMC elections BJP won 40+ seats, last time BJP won 2 seats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Until Indian muslims remain scattered throughout India, nothing will change for them. Sad truth for them. A political consciousness needs to be born and they should start moving closer to each other.
    Easier said than done . How do you expect people to uproot their lives now moves across states . Learn a new language (in some cases ) . Isn't that what partition was ? . The the muslims that decided to stay in India should be considered the patriotic ones but its the other way around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yadunoe View Post
    BJP and modi days are numbered with the punjab farmer dispute, india cant survive without punjabi farmers


    Big Joke.
    South India is more than enough to feed entire India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Until Indian muslims remain scattered throughout India, nothing will change for them. Sad truth for them. A political consciousness needs to be born and they should start moving closer to each other.
    lol

    What do you think is ? Command and Conquer ?

    Even if all the Indian muslims lived together, you think they can take on the remaining 800 + million hindus and succeed to live as per their rules ? There wont be any more partition, even if all the muslims lived together anyone who even discuss another muslim homeland partitian like a Pakistan would get smothered.

    This is not the time of Gandhi and Nehru.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    lol

    What do you think is ? Command and Conquer ?

    Even if all the Indian muslims lived together, you think they can take on the remaining 800 + million hindus and succeed to live as per their rules ? There wont be any more partition, even if all the muslims lived together anyone who even discuss another muslim homeland partitian like a Pakistan would get smothered.

    This is not the time of Gandhi and Nehru.....
    What would happen to them? Would they be lynched by a mob? Or are you threatening some other form of violence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    What would happen to them? Would they be lynched by a mob? Or are you threatening some other form of violence?
    Not threatening but stating a reality. Current Muslims in India wont get another separate country like Pakistan, if any separatism type activity does happen, the ones that will be promoting violence, extremism etc, will be crushed...

    India wont be broken up again, anyone who dreams that is living in fools paradise, like the Kashmiris currently are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Not threatening but stating a reality. Current Muslims in India wont get another separate country like Pakistan, if any separatism type activity does happen, the ones that will be promoting violence, extremism etc, will be crushed...

    India wont be broken up again, anyone who dreams that is living in fools paradise, like the Kashmiris currently are.
    Pakistanis are dreaming of breaking India since 1947.

    They dont realize that every Indian state except Kashmir is overwhelmingly non muslim. And states where illegal muslim immigration from BD has changed the demographics a bit, there has been a massive massive push back by non muslims to reclaim the demographic advantage. The Assam movement and NRC in Assam is one example.

    BJP gaining in Bengal is another example of the non muslims fed up with local government not dealing firmly with the illegal muslim immigration from BD and the Rohingyas.

    Even Hyderabad is seeing a Bjp surge because of MIM and setting of Rohingyas.

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    He will get better deals in future from anti bjp alliance, Indian union muslim league consolidated votes of Kerala muslims, now Kerala muslims are the most politically empowered muslim community in india.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pakistanis are dreaming of breaking India since 1947.

    They dont realize that every Indian state except Kashmir is overwhelmingly non muslim. And states where illegal muslim immigration from BD has changed the demographics a bit, there has been a massive massive push back by non muslims to reclaim the demographic advantage. The Assam movement and NRC in Assam is one example.

    BJP gaining in Bengal is another example of the non muslims fed up with local government not dealing firmly with the illegal muslim immigration from BD and the Rohingyas.

    Even Hyderabad is seeing a Bjp surge because of MIM and setting of Rohingyas.

    A lot of Pakistanis don't care about Indian muslims or Kashmiris living in Indian Kashmir. They just want these folks to cause trouble for India, its no concern to them what will happen to them if they undertook anti India activities as long as they cause trouble for India (Some Ummaah ) .

    There wont be another separate country carved out of present India for any religion for that matter, EVER.... Operation Blue Star was conducted by a Pseudo Sickular Government against a lot of people that wanted to separate from India, so can you imagine what would happen under the current Indian government, if any religious people in India demanded a separate country ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Its not THAT easy. The social construction, political environment changes drastically from state to state as you already know. No two state has the same problems. Since you don't have the same issues in hand, it's impossible to accommodate everyone only in the basis of religion.
    Its not easy at all. Infact its quite unrealistic. The two unifying points for Indian muslims are their religion and a single powerful hindutva threat to their well being. It is for them to see if this is reason enough. The discrimination and state violence against them needs to cross a threshold though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by from_da_lost_dim3nsion View Post
    Easier said than done . How do you expect people to uproot their lives now moves across states . Learn a new language (in some cases ) . Isn't that what partition was ? . The the muslims that decided to stay in India should be considered the patriotic ones but its the other way around.
    Its not easy or even realistic. I get that. I just said that this is the only way they can have some power. In other words they are doomed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    lol

    What do you think is ? Command and Conquer ?

    Even if all the Indian muslims lived together, you think they can take on the remaining 800 + million hindus and succeed to live as per their rules ? There wont be any more partition, even if all the muslims lived together anyone who even discuss another muslim homeland partitian like a Pakistan would get smothered.

    This is not the time of Gandhi and Nehru.....
    800 million hindus is not a realistic assessment of the demography in my view but thats a different discussion. Anyway, without getting into muscle flexing whether 250 million muslims will be able to hold their own if they bring their numbers together, I dont think Indian muslims want a seperate homeland in the first place. I havent heard such views from any Indian muslim till date. They love India and consider it their only home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Its not easy or even realistic. I get that. I just said that this is the only way they can have some power. In other words they are doomed.



    800 million hindus is not a realistic assessment of the demography in my view but thats a different discussion. Anyway, without getting into muscle flexing whether 250 million muslims will be able to hold their own if they bring their numbers together, I dont think Indian muslims want a seperate homeland in the first place. I havent heard such views from any Indian muslim till date. They love India and consider it their only home.
    I know Indian muslims are patriotic to India , I was pointing out the unfortunate situation of what would happen, if they acted on what you suggested...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    lol

    What do you think is ? Command and Conquer ?

    Even if all the Indian muslims lived together, you think they can take on the remaining 800 + million hindus and succeed to live as per their rules ? There wont be any more partition, even if all the muslims lived together anyone who even discuss another muslim homeland partitian like a Pakistan would get smothered.

    This is not the time of Gandhi and Nehru.....
    Clearly not - this is the time of Hitler's rebirth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Clearly not - this is the time of Hitler's rebirth.
    Come on Bro,

    I have yet to see you say that about Xi Jing Ping who is doing a lot worst... Matter of fact Xi Jing Ping is running the uighyur camp pretty similar to Auschwitz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Not threatening but stating a reality. Current Muslims in India wont get another separate country like Pakistan, if any separatism type activity does happen, the ones that will be promoting violence, extremism etc, will be crushed...

    India wont be broken up again, anyone who dreams that is living in fools paradise, like the Kashmiris currently are.
    Who will crush those bhakhts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Come on Bro,

    I have yet to see you say that about Xi Jing Ping who is doing a lot worst... Matter of fact Xi Jing Ping is running the uighyur camp pretty similar to Auschwitz
    China and Xi have nothing to do with this thread. Not sure why do you always bring others to justify what is happening in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    I know Indian muslims are patriotic to India , I was pointing out the unfortunate situation of what would happen, if they acted on what you suggested...
    What did i suggest? I didnt ask them to demand seperate homeland. I was pointing towards how they could become a political force within India. They will stay powerless till they are scattered but they will remain scattered as has already been agreed to by all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Come on Bro,

    I have yet to see you say that about Xi Jing Ping who is doing a lot worst... Matter of fact Xi Jing Ping is running the uighyur camp pretty similar to Auschwitz
    Ok I will say it if you like but will also say same for Modi and his lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Ok I will say it if you like but will also say same for Modi and his lot.
    Fair enough, appreciate consistency..


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