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    How free is the press in Pakistan under Imran Khan's regime?

    World Press Freedom Day is being observed today in Pakistan and around the world with journalists making a resolve to keep pursuing the mission without being intimidated by the rival forces.

    The theme for this year's World Press Freedom Day is “Journalism without Fear or Favour” with sub-themes discussing the safety of journalists and all the media workers. It also talks about the independent and professional journalism free from political and commercial influence and gender equality in all aspect of the media.

    The state of media in Pakistan report issued last month by Freedom Network has expressed concerns over the escalating climate of intimidation and harassment affecting the freedom of expression and access to information environment in the country.

    The 'Annual Press Freedom Report' stated that at least 91 cases, including seven murders of journalists and a blogger, attacks and other violations, against media and its practitioners were recorded in Pakistan between May 2019 and April 2020.

    “The screws on media in Pakistan are being tightened through various means of censorship, including murders, threats, and harassment, resulting in increasing silence and resulting in erosion of public-interest journalism,” said Executive Director of Freedom Network Iqbal Khattak.

    Read also: On World Press Freedom Day, Geo honours reporters slain in the line of duty

    The arrest of Editor-in-Chief of the Jang Geo Media Group Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman on trumped-up charges by National Accountability Bureau has put a question mark on the media independence in the country.

    MSR’s arrest in a 34-year-old property case has been decried by the international media organisations, human rights bodies and major western nations including the United States as an attempt to pressurise the largest media group in the country.

    'Govt believes in freedom of expression'

    Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Shibli Faraz has said the government firmly believes in the fundamental, constitutional and legal right of freedom of expression.

    In a series of tweets on Sunday, Faraz expressed determination to provide all possible facilities for the promotion of independent and responsible journalism.

    He said freedom of expression is the basis of a civilized democratic society and the fundamental right of a human.

    The minister noted that responsible media plays a pivotal role in the development of a society. He also applauded the immense sacrifices rendered by the journalists for the sanctity of the pen.

    Pakistan's former permanent representative at the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi has demanded that Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman should be released immediately.

    In her statement on World Press Freedom Day, the former envoy said that MSR is in detention without a trial or even a formal charge brought against him.

    “Justice demands his immediate release,” she said, adding “The law must be followed and he should be allowed to contest the case on its legal merits.”

    Opposition Leader in the National Assembly and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) President Shehbaz Sharif said that till the media was not made free, the country could never move forward.

    “Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman’s arrest paints a bleak picture of press freedom in Pakistan,” Shehbaz said. “PML-N has always advocated for a free press.”

    “I salute all the media workers who are fighting for the right,” he added.

    Media workers' role crucial: UN chief

    António Guterres, UN Secretary-General in his message on Press Freedom Day said, “Journalists and media workers are crucial to helping us make informed decisions. As the world fights the COVID-19 pandemic, those decisions can make the difference between life and death."

    “On World Press Freedom Day, we call on governments — and others — to guarantee that journalists can do their jobs throughout the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond,” he said.

    “The press provides the antidote verified scientific fact-based news and analysis. But since the pandemic began, many journalists are being subjected to increased restrictions and punishments simply for doing their jobs,” he said.

    The UN secretary-general added that temporary constraints on freedom of movement were essential to beat COVID-19 but they must not be abused as an excuse to crack down on journalists’ ability to do their work.

    “Today, we thank the media for providing facts and analysis for holding leaders in every sector accountable and for speaking truth. We particularly recognize those who are playing a life-saving role reporting on public health,” he said.

    “And we call on governments to protect media workers and to strengthen and maintain press freedom which is essential for a future of peace justice and human rights for all,” Guterres concluded.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/286173-wor...observed-today


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    LOL hilarious... Day and night same media spews filth on the government with no regards to fact checking or accurate reporting. Heck they even spew straight up fake news such as trouble in IK's marriage, IK getting positive for corona, IK giving himself and ministers salary increment, government going home in Nov/Dec/March now new date of August. I can go on and on, but yeah sure media is not 'free'.

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    Also this Jang/GEO group have a special axe to grind because they were the special poodle of the Nawaz government and were given billions in advertisement that have been stopped by the present government. Their CEO Mir Shakeel was recently arrested by NAB on charges of owning 50+ kanals of land illegally alloted to him by Nawaz government. So you can image their pain and misery. Long may it continue inshallah. Anything coming out if Jang/GEO is automatically fake news.

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    Yes GEO etc have an axe to grind but a few other sources saying the same about lack of freedom for the press.


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    Way too free

    I think the press needs to be culled.
    Strong rules need to be imported.

    Ideally just line the up against a wall

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    Definitely room for more freedom when talking about more controversial topics such as Balochistan, Ahmedis, other religious minorities, the army, PTM, Aurat March, women empowerment in general.

    However, it is a farce to claim that they are prevented from criticizing the government. Further, the government’s prosecution of corrupt dealings over properties is entirely separate — it is no surprise that there is a lot of black money in the media industry. It is the number one way to influence the masses.

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    You let the media run too free while cultivating government and black money ties and you end up with the BJP infested fake news Islamophobic Indian media propaganda mafia

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    'Extreme fear and self-censorship': media freedom under threat in Pakistan

    Journalists face blanked-out articles, pulled funding and channel shutdown if they dare to criticise the state

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    Under Imran Khan, elected with military backing in 2018, censorship feels heavier than ever before, say journalists. Photograph: Bloomberg via Getty


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    Journalists, activists, authors and politicians spoke to the Guardian of a climate of “extreme fear and self-censorship”, and the suppression of opposition political voices, even worse than during the military dictatorship of General Zia, who oppressively ruled Pakistan between 1977 and 1988.

    “I was told by Geo News administration that they could not air my analysis because the army, represented by ISPR [the media wing of the Pakistan armed forces], was very unhappy and they would shut down channel transmission if I continued to speak like I did, which they said was financially ruinous for them,” said Hussain.

    “In the end they used the ruse of downsizing and asked me to reduce my team and their salaries, which I refused and left.”


    In many cases, the trend towards heavy censorship pre-dates Khan’s premiership, but he has been criticised for allowing it to continue, if not ramping it up. In 2017, Mohammed Hanif, a celebrated Pakistani novelist and satirist, was surprised to open the New York Times to find his article, titled Pakistan’s Triangle of Hate: Taliban, Army and India, had been removed and there was nothing but an empty page.

    “When you see a blank space in a newspaper where your article should have been, it’s slightly terrifying,” said Hanif. “It reminds you of old-fashioned censorship that we had during military dictatorships.” Speaking of the current government, Hanif said that “censorship … is the worst we have seen”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-under-attack


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    Washingtonpost Editorial Board

    Trump must press Imran Khan on Pakistan’s crackdown on press freedom

    In the past month alone, three television channels were taken off the air after broadcasting a live speech by opposition leader Maryam Nawaz. On July 11, the government terminated a Hum TV interview with Ms. Nawaz just minutes after it began. The same thing happened when Geo News tried to broadcast an interview with former president Asif Ali Zardari on July 1.

    The crackdown escalated shortly after Mr. Khan took office. In October 2018, just two months into his term, prominent Pakistani journalist Cyril Almeida was charged with treason after he published an interview with former prime minister Nawaz Sharif that was critical of the Pakistani military. Meanwhile, the government slashed its advertising budget, depriving many media outlets of revenue they depend on and forcing the layoffs of hundreds of journalists.

    Mr. Khan’s election in a vote that was judged free and fair, and the peaceful transition from Mr. Sharif’s government, raised hopes that Pakistan’s chronically fragile democracy was gaining strength despite the continued role of the military as the country’s ultimate power. But where press freedom falters, so does democracy. And so far in the Khan administration, media freedom is considerably more attenuated than it had been under previous elected governments.

    Even Mr. Khan’s party recognizes this relationship, though with a poisonous caveat: “Freedom of Expression is a beauty of Democracy. Expressing Enemy’s Stance is Not Freedom of speech but treason against its people,” read a tweet by the Tehreek-e-Insaf party on July 16. That sort of rhetoric — the government has also called journalists “anti-state” — will only add chill to an already repressive atmosphere.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...b05_story.html


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    The corrupt mafia controlled the news.

    Line them up

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    Pakistani media needs to be clipped and why am I reading on the above article that it is against media speech to cut the governments advertising budget. As in, the media is not entitled to this money. Just because the sharifs fed the media, this doesnt mean that everyone needs to do this.

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    After a year of press freedom violations, RSF writes to Pakistan’s premier

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    In an open letter to Imran Khan a year after he took office as Pakistan’s prime minister, Reporters Without Borders (RSF) calls on him to recognize the alarming decline in the state of press freedom in his country and to take urgent measures to address this.
    Prime Minister Imran Khan

    Office of the Prime Minister

    Constitution Avenue

    Islamabad, Pakistan



    Paris, 31 July 2019



    Dear Prime Minister Khan,



    When asked, during an official visit to the United States last week, about recent press freedom violations in your country, you replied: “Pakistan has one of the freest presses in the world (...) To say there are curbs on the Pakistan press is a joke.”



    There is nothing funny about this “joke” for journalists in your country. You claim that the Pakistani press is one of the freest in the world. “The Pakistani media is even freer than the British media,” you added at another point during your visit.



    It is clear that either you are very poorly informed, in which case you should urgently replace the people around you, or you are knowingly concealing the facts, which is very serious, given your responsibilities.



    Just a few hours after you landed in the United States, the leading Pakistani TV news channel, Geo News, was censored yet again. Your fellow citizens found a blank screen when they tried to obtain independent, public interest reporting about your trip from this channel.



    A month ago, a live Geo News interview with former President Asif Ali Zardari by the well-known journalist Hamid Mir was cut short after just a few minutes without any explanation. When contacted by RSF, the interviewer blamed you for this sudden and completely arbitrary act of censorship.



    The signals of three other Pakistani TV news channels, AbbTakk TV, 24 News and Capital TV, were suddenly suspended from cable TV services on 8 July without any warning to their management, and remained suspended for several days. Najam Sethi, a well-known journalist who often works with 24 News, confirmed to RSF that the suspension was a reprisal for their coverage of a press conference by Maryam Nawaz Sharif, another opposition figure.



    These brazen cases of censorship, which seriously threaten journalistic independence and pluralism, are characteristic of non-democratic regimes. You won the general elections a year ago by repeating the slogans “Tabdeeli!” (Change) and “Naya Pakistan!” (a “New Pakistan”) during the campaign.



    It is nonetheless clear that, as far as press freedom goes, the change has been for the worse. Ranked 142nd out of 180 countries in RSF’s 2019 World Press Freedom Index, your country has fallen three places in the past year. And the events of recent months offer no grounds for optimism about the “new Pakistan.”



    Ali Sher Rajpar, the president of the press club in Padidan, in southeastern Sindh province, was fatally shot five times at point blank range on 4 May, shortly after unsuccessfully requesting police protection because he had been threatened in connection with his coverage of local corruption.



    Just four days before that, after another Pakistani journalist, Malik Amanullah Khan, was gunned down in the Parowa area of Dera Ismail Khan district, in northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. He too was the president of the local press club.



    Muhammad Bilal Khan, a journalist and blogger whose YouTube channel had more than 50,000 followers, was hacked to death in an Islamabad suburb in June. One of his latest videos was about one of your speeches and, in one of his last tweets, he criticized your intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). The police have made no arrests in any of these three cases.



    When not targeted physically, journalists who cross certain red lines are subjected to judicial harassment. They include Shahzeb Jillani, an investigative journalist who was charged with “cyber-terrorism” in April in connection with a tweet referring to an ISI officer.



    Even the prestigious daily Dawn – founded in 1941 by Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the father of the Pakistani nation, as part of the fight against British colonialism – is being subjected to harsh economic harassment. Your government has denied it any income from state advertising since 24 April. According to RSF’s sources, this arbitrary decision was a reprisal for an article published the previous day about a press conference you gave in Tehran in which you recognized that Pakistan-based militants had been involved in attacks inside Iran. In other words, your government does not tolerate your country’s media repeating what you say while abroad.



    In the light of this recent surge in press freedom violations, of which this list is not exhaustive, you will appreciate that to talk of “one of the freest presses in the world” is clearly tantamount to an obscenity.



    We therefore urge your government to allow Pakistan’s journalists to exercise their profession in complete safety and with complete independence, as envisaged in article 19 of the 1973 constitution.



    The credibility of the Pakistani state and democracy is at stake.



    Sincerely,





    Christophe Deloire

    Secretary-General

    https://rsf.org/en/news/after-year-p...istans-premier


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    I remember watching 'aap kay muqabil' of rauf klasra & amir mateen on youtube, I heard the show got stopped bcoz the hosts r doing or questioning the PTI govt and IK ordered show to be stopped on 92newsHD

    I don't know how far it's true that's wat rauf & amir say

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    Media is actually pretty biased in reporting in most countries. I can't speak for all countries, but in US they are heavily biased and often twist facts to push some narrative. I don't think it will be any different in Pakistan. Having said that difference of opinion should never be suppresed in media. An argument about being an state enemy is old trick to suppress any negative reporting. It may work for while, but it does a long term damage lasting decades. History is filled with such examples.


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    Geo is a national channel that spews mafia propaganda all day long. I think anyone that thinks the press is not free just needs to watch the crap Geo put out. The irony isn't lost anyone when they want taxpayers to fund their propaganda through advertising. The Dawn economic correspondent was criticising the govt economic policy, whilst the newspaper itself was asking for handouts from the govt. Here is a thought, he could advise his newspaper how to run a business without money from taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    I remember watching 'aap kay muqabil' of rauf klasra & amir mateen on youtube, I heard the show got stopped bcoz the hosts r doing or questioning the PTI govt and IK ordered show to be stopped on 92newsHD

    I don't know how far it's true that's wat rauf & amir say
    He didn't, he didn't get the viewers. The owner of the channel was Malik Riaz, who since then has closed the channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Geo is a national channel that spews mafia propaganda all day long. I think anyone that thinks the press is not free just needs to watch the crap Geo put out. The irony isn't lost anyone when they want taxpayers to fund their propaganda through advertising. The Dawn economic correspondent was criticising the govt economic policy, whilst the newspaper itself was asking for handouts from the govt. Here is a thought, he could advise his newspaper how to run a business without money from taxpayers.
    Government shouldn't be paying money to press which is criticizing their policy and on other hands it shouldn't be paying money to press which supports their policies. It will simply create an enviorment where press would change their behaviour and that's not a good outcome for any country.

    I don't know the situation in Pakistan, but if you are simply not giving money to anyone then it's fine, but if you only want to give money to press supporting government or army then that's an issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Government shouldn't be paying money to press which is criticizing their policy and on other hands it shouldn't be paying money to press which supports their policies. It will simply create an enviorment where press would change their behaviour and that's not a good outcome for any country.

    I don't know the situation in Pakistan, but if you are simply not giving money to anyone then it's fine, but if you only want to give money to press supporting government or army then that's an issue.
    Totally agree. The press in PK have been brought up on free money as reward for supporting the mafia. The media in PK is a mafia with no morals. If you don't believe me, watch an interview with Billo or SS and then watch an interview with IK. You will know how corrupt they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Totally agree. The press in PK have been brought up on free money as reward for supporting the mafia. The media in PK is a mafia with no morals. If you don't believe me, watch an interview with Billo or SS and then watch an interview with IK. You will know how corrupt they are.
    Who are they?

    I don't think IK is currupt at all. He has tons of challenges which was created in the last 3-4 decades in Pakistan. It won't be solved overnight. I have not been overly impressed by IK as nation leader so far, but I have absolutely no doubt about his intention.

    Great thing is that elected government have been running their full terms. If Pakistan can do so for the next 15-20 years, I have no doubt that situation will be drastically better. Key is to let it continue and not get disheartened by not seeing linear progress. Progress won't be linear anyway. Just for example, this virus thing came in very bad time for struggling economies and Pakistan was struggling in that front before this virus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    I remember watching 'aap kay muqabil' of rauf klasra & amir mateen on youtube, I heard the show got stopped bcoz the hosts r doing or questioning the PTI govt and IK ordered show to be stopped on 92newsHD

    I don't know how far it's true that's wat rauf & amir say
    They kept spewing nonsense on their show against the government and they stopped getting viewers which caused the owner of their channel to stop the show. They blame IK but they should look into their own actions because they cannot force the viewers to tune into their show.

    Rauf Klasra then started a YouTube channel and started doing analysis shows there but he hardly gets 10% of the views that most other reporters etc get. He just is not popular because of his biased reporting and is blaming IK for it.


    Also talk about obsession of Indians to tune into current affairs of Pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Who are they?

    I don't think IK is currupt at all. He has tons of challenges which was created in the last 3-4 decades in Pakistan. It won't be solved overnight. I have not been overly impressed by IK as nation leader so far, but I have absolutely no doubt about his intention.

    Great thing is that elected government have been running their full terms. If Pakistan can do so for the next 15-20 years, I have no doubt that situation will be drastically better. Key is to let it continue and not get disheartened by not seeing linear progress. Progress won't be linear anyway. Just for example, this virus thing came in very bad time for struggling economies and Pakistan was struggling in that front before this virus.
    The Nooras and the PPP. Watch the interviews of Billo and SS, that don't get challenged at all.

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    In a country where trash journalists like Rauf Klasra and Salim Safi spew nonsense and white lies about the establishment and govt. and address the PM of the nation as "Khan Sahib"; who would dare claim that press isn't free?

    Half of the terror that is spread is because of media in the name of free speech and independent journalism.

    Murders, kidnappings, robberies and other street crimes happen all over the world yet only in Pakistan are they reported for hours on end despite there being much more pressing and important matters.

    Press should never be completely free.
    Every institution is supposed to have checks, balances and accountability of which there are none in Pakistan as far as media is concerned.

    National interests are always more important than "independent" journalism and free speech.

    If anything that the media broadcasts is against public/national interest then it should never be published publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    If anything that the media broadcasts is against public/national interest then it should never be published publicly.
    Tricky part wth this approach is incentive of different sections having different view of what's constitutes national interest. In extreme situation, you get to hear only one side of story. It can get dangerous and nation can lose decades with small sections shaping up national interest narrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Geo is a national channel that spews mafia propaganda all day long. I think anyone that thinks the press is not free just needs to watch the crap Geo put out. The irony isn't lost anyone when they want taxpayers to fund their propaganda through advertising. The Dawn economic correspondent was criticising the govt economic policy, whilst the newspaper itself was asking for handouts from the govt. Here is a thought, he could advise his newspaper how to run a business without money from taxpayers.
    Remember the good Hum Sab Umeed Se Hain days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Tricky part wth this approach is incentive of different sections having different view of what's constitutes national interest. In extreme situation, you get to hear only one side of story. It can get dangerous and nation can lose decades with small sections shaping up national interest narrative.
    C'mon man we're not asking for puppet media like the one present in most of the Middle East (except Al-Jazeera).

    What we want is a more professional approach towards reporting and journalism. The least you'd expect is for the channel to have verifiable sources and evidences for their headlines and not just predictions/word of mouth from famous journalists.

    Our media has often been caught red-handed reporting news/rumours spread on social media and blatantly stealing videos and documentaries from vloggers on YouTube without crediting or mentioning them even once.

    What's the point of watching such news when 50% of your sources are non-verifiable, there's no accountability for fake news and majority of the journalists are in bed with a political party to push their narrative?

    It is true that national interests can vary but the gist of it is similar in most cases.

    There is not one debate in Pakistan that has supporters on only one side which is unfortunate but fortunate as well.

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    India has dropped two places on the World Press Freedom Index, now ranking at 142 out of 180 countries.

    Reporters Without Borders says a communications blackout in Indian-administered Kashmir, which made it increasingly difficult for journalists to report on what is happening in the region, played a significant role in that shift.

    Their report calls the area a "vast open prison".

    Yet, India's government maintains there is nothing short of absolute media freedom.

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    Finally PEMRA realized it has a job to do.... This channel has been repeatedly spewing fake news nearly everyday for the last 6-12 months because the owner is best friends with Zardari. Dair aye durust aye


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    More than a dozen men attack dawn correspondents house


    UMERKOT: More than two dozen armed men attacked the house of journalist A.B. Arisar near Jewan Colony on Wednesday and subjected his family members to severe torture.

    The Dawn correspondent’s family members told reporters that 15 men armed with axes, sticks and hammers barged into the house after breaking open locks, subjected them to torture and dragged them out to occupy the premises.

    The correspondent informed police in time but SHO Khalil Kunbhar reached the spot two hours after the incident and instead of arresting the attackers pressurised the victims to have the matter resolved through jirga.

    He said the police returned axes and hammers to the culprits and let them sneak away. The attackers were disciples of a pir who wanted to occupy his house, he said.

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    https://www.dawn.com/news/1555077/jo...house-attacked
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    The press spouts so much rubbish. They certainty have enough freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    India has dropped two places on the World Press Freedom Index, now ranking at 142 out of 180 countries.

    Reporters Without Borders says a communications blackout in Indian-administered Kashmir, which made it increasingly difficult for journalists to report on what is happening in the region, played a significant role in that shift.

    Their report calls the area a "vast open prison".

    Yet, India's government maintains there is nothing short of absolute media freedom.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...ead_more_links
    pakistan are 3 places below at 145- would you know if we increased/decreased.

    Afganistan is at 122- well done


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    I know army off limits in Pakistan but TBH its teh same in the US. never seen any major US press criticize the army like we do in Pakistan .


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    ISLAMABAD: The Sup*re***me Court on Monday res*tr*a*ined the Pakistan Elec*tronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) from taking any co**ercive measures against Neo TV channel for a period of 15 days until the channel challenges the vires of the Pemra-Tele*vision Broadcast Station Opera*tions Regulations 2012.

    A two-judge Supreme Cou*rt bench headed by Justice Mushir Alam had taken up an appeal of Neo TV channel against the Islamabad High Court’s rejection last month of its plea to change its category from entertainment to current affairs and news.

    Barrister Syed Ali Zafar, representing the TV channel, argued that Pemra had given a licence to Neo TV under the Pemra Ordin*ance, 2002, but when the channel applied for change of programming-mix, the authority rejected its application on the grounds that under the Regulations 2012, there could be no change in category of the licence.

    The appeal filed by Neo TV against the decision of Pemra was also rejected by the high court.

    The counsel argued that the judgement of the high court as well as the decision of Pemra were illegal, unlawful and void ab initio.

    Under the 2002 Ordinan**ce, change in the category or the programming-mix was spe****cifically allowed and cou*ld only be refused by Pemra on the ground of public interest, the counsel said, adding that this was an established law that rules and regulations could not override a law.

    While banning the change of category in the licence, Pemra had acted beyond its jurisdiction, the counsel said. Consequently, the Regulations 2012 were void.

    Barrister Zafar ar**gued that even if any amendments were to be made in the licence, this could only be done through the rules which were to be approved by the federal government and not through any regulations.

    In this case, the counsel argued, the regulations were passed by Pemra without ap**proval of the federal government which, according to the latest judgement of the Sup*reme Court in the Musta**fa Impex case, meant the prime minister and the cabinet.

    Barrister Zafar said Pemra had simply relied on the judgement of the high court and the Regulations 2012 to close down the television station of Neo TV.

    After hearing the counsel, the apex court issued directives to Pemra that no coercive measures would be taken by the authority agai*nst Neo TV for a period of 15 days to enable the channel to challenge the vires of the Re**gulations of 2012 and raise other grounds and Pemra’s action of closure of Neo TV in accordance with the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    That is such a humiliating fail from the crook.

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    Press has always been free to criticize the government. Under Imran Khan journalist have been more direct and candid in their criticism.

    Still, the day the press can criticize and question some of the policies of the army and its extra-judicial killings, that day it'd be truly free.

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    The country’s most prominent media owner-editor is detained and incarcerated. The image-conscious prime minister ignores a letter from United Nations officials about the detention, which Time magazine lists among the “10 ‘Most Urgent’ Cases of Threats to Press Freedom in the Age of Coronavirus.” The media tycoon is held for over 100 days without charge; five bail hearings are postponed, and the bench assigned to hear his case is changed three times in as many months.

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    Even for a nascent democracy such as Pakistan, under military rule for much of its existence, the bizarre arrest and ongoing detention of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman is novel and tragic.

    The owner-editor of Jang, arguably Pakistan’s most powerful media conglomerate, was arrested on March 12. The move was so unexpected that he didn’t obtain pre-arrest bail when responding to a summons by the National Accountability Bureau office in Lahore. (I have worked with Rahman and the Jang group in various editorial capacities.)

    The NAB is investigating Rahman for a 34-year-old private property transaction in Lahore. Also accused is Nawaz Sharif, a twice-elected former prime minister who allegedly bent rules to lease property to Rahman when Sharif was chief minister of Punjab in 1986.

    If there was wrongdoing, the NAB should indict Rahman, say legal experts. Yet it took more than three months for the government to file charges against him. The “undue and unholy haste” of the arrest, which occurred on the same day the inquiry was authorized, violated the NAB’s own protocols, says Amjad Pervaiz, Rahman’s defense counsel.

    There are also concerns about Rahman, almost 65 years old with underlying health conditions, being incarcerated during the coronavirus pandemic. Pakistan’s infection rates rose by over 500 percent in May. Even as human rights defenders and health experts around the world urge governments to release nonviolent prisoners, coronavirus cases have emerged in the facilities Rahman has been held in.

    He and his media group have been under fire before. In 1998, then-Prime Minister Sharif used allegations of tax evasion to prevent Rahman from launching Pakistan’s first 24/7 television news channel (Geo TV, eventually launched in 2002, which I was also involved with). In 2014, pressure on Jang included a campaign by rival media group ARY News and other forces. Rahman filed a defamation suit against ARY in London, where a court convicted the ARY owners for slander and libel. ARY pleaded bankruptcy and paid nothing. Jang emerged with a moral victory and began rebuilding itself.

    These battles are part of a long-running war for media freedom in Pakistan. In the 1980s, Gen. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq’s military regime — supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia — imprisoned, tortured and executed political dissidents, censored the press and flogged journalists. A “democracy musical chairs” period followed Zia’s death in 1988, with four elected governments toppled before completing their tenure. Another military coup in 1999 ended that cycle. The tail end of the Pervez Musharraf dictatorship in 2007 imposed heavy media censorship, including for Jang’s Geo TV.

    Prime Minister Imran Khan, an Oxford-educated former cricket hero, heads the third government since the 2008 general election. His party is more aligned with Pakistan’s powerful military than any past elected government. In fact, some analysts say that the military is de facto in charge.

    The muscular nationalism in established democracies such as the United States and India finds echo in Pakistan, with Khan’s complaints about the “traitorous” media finding a sympathetic ear in President Trump.

    In the current climate, authorities no longer need to withhold newsprint or issue press advisories to bring the media in line. Threats to journalists from government officials and ministers, law enforcement and the prime minister himself now ricochet virtually, echoed by online troll armies. The increased targeting of social media users, human rights and peace activists, and journalists is pushing many into self-censorship. Lately, reporters exposing the inadequacies of Pakistan’s coronavirus response and province chiefs whose policies differ from the center are also being targeted.

    Over the past 18 months, the government has cut off advertising payments to media houses that don’t toe the line. Newspaper companies face distribution disruption, and television channels have been taken abruptly off air. A youth-led human rights movement is so heavily censored that it doesn’t exist on mainstream media. Direct threats to journalists via WhatsApp calls or messages are increasing.

    No one accepts responsibility for these violations. Since it is dangerous to name names, Pakistanis resort to euphemisms such as “angels” and “aliens” when airing their suspicions. Rahman’s case is just the latest example of a media environment that is becoming more dangerous and less free.

    Rahman’s incarceration has drawn condemnation from lawyers, business leaders, intellectuals and human rights and media freedom groups at home and abroad. His next bail hearing is Tuesday. But even if he is released on bail, this will be a minor victory achieved at a huge cost — not only for Rahman, but also for the dwindling state of media freedom and democracy in Pakistan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...eing-squeezed/
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    Pakistan has media censorship issues but this entire article has been based on the assumption that one of the richest tycoons in one of the most corrupt nations in the world has been wrongly investigated for corruption.

    The biggest threats to journalists are about PTM, Balochis, Ahmedi rights, etc. Let’s not make a martyr out of this guy in the name of free press, when he’s not the one that actually writes the articles or does the investigating.

    With all due respect, this is an op-ed from a Pakistan based “analyst” who has done little analysis in the op-ed herself.
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    I dont think i have seen the press being allowed to ruthlessly bash the federal govt and get away with it under any previous time.

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    Imran Khan is known to use the NAB to silence his critics and political opponents. This includes people working in the media as has been evident by the recent arrest of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman.

    The freedom of press under IK has been in decline. He publicly criticizes media groups and refers to them as anti-state. Then there was the whole attack on the Dawn News Office last year and the Cyril Almeida affair. Moreover, they didn't allow Steven Butler, the Asia coordinator for the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), to enter the country.

    For all journalists and media houses that dare dissent, the regime uses security and intelligence agencies to silence them.Journalists critical of the army's interference in politics were told to fall in line or risk losing their jobs. Many prominent TV personalities did fall in line, some enthusiastically, others begrudgingly. Those who couldn't, were fired or called it a day. The purge has seen many senior journalists being removed from the country's mainstream media, including Najam Sethi, Nusrat Javed, Murtaza Solangi among others.

    Ther report from the Freedom Network entitled ‘Murders, harassment and assault: The tough wages of journalism in Pakistan’ which documented 91 assaults and other violations against journalists during the past 12 months. The list of violations includes the killing of seven journalists, two abduction cases, nine detention cases, eight instances of frivolous lawsuits, 10 cases of censorship, 10 physical assaults, half of which caused severe bodily injuries, and more than 20 cases of written or verbal threats. According to the report in 42% of the documented cases of violations against media workers, the victims or their families suspect the involvement of the state and its authorities.




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    Abductions, Censorship and Layoffs: Pakistani Critics Are Under Siege


    Recent abductions of a journalist and an activist have underscored Pakistan’s worsening rights conditions as the country’s security forces pressure the news media and human rights groups.


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    Kaneez Sughra, wife of the seized Pakistani journalist Matiullah Jan, shows a photograph of her husband. Mr. Jan was abducted from a street in Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital, in late July


    When Prime Minister Imran Khan boasted last year that Pakistan had one of the “freest presses in the world,” journalists were quick to object, saying that intimidation of reporters across the country was intensifying. It has only gotten worse since.

    Two years into Mr. Khan’s term, censorship is on the rise, journalists and activists say, leaving the country’s heavy-handed military and security forces unchecked as they intimidate the news media to a degree unseen since the country’s era of army juntas.

    The security forces frequently pressure editors to fire or muzzle reporters, journalists say, while the government starves critical news outlets of advertising funds and refuses to settle previous bills worth millions of dollars.

    The abduction of a prominent reporter by state security officers in late July, coupled with the disappearance of a rights activist in November, has heightened those concerns. In June, Pakistan’s Military Intelligence agency admitted that it had detained the activist and that he is awaiting trial in a secret court on undisclosed charges.

    “Disappearances are a tool of terror, used not just to silence the victim but to fill the wider community with fear,” said Omar Waraich, the head of South Asia for Amnesty International.

    “In Pakistan, the military’s intelligence apparatus has used disappearances with impunity,” Mr. Waraich said, adding: “Civilian politicians look on helplessly, affecting concern and promising to investigate. Unable to uphold the rule of law as Imran Khan vowed to do, their authority erodes.”


    On July 21, the reporter, Matiullah Jan, had just dropped off his wife at her job in an upscale neighborhood in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad when several men, some in plain clothes, others in counterterrorism police uniforms, dragged him from his car, bundled him into one of their vehicles and sped away.

    Mr. Jan, 51, is a vocal critic of Mr. Khan’s governing party, the judiciary and the military, which critics accuse of working together to preserve their power and stamp out dissent.

    Footage from a security camera clearly shows the police’s involvement in the abduction, working alongside men in civilian clothes that many believe are Pakistani intelligence officers. The footage culminated in a pressure campaign on social media and Mr. Jan was released 12 hours later. He released a vague statement saying he had been abducted by forces that are “against democracy.”

    Multiple requests to the Pakistani government and military to comment for this article went unanswered. Pakistan’s security forces have not publicly commented on Mr. Jan’s abduction.

    Under Pakistani law, state-directed abductions like Mr. Jan’s are lawful. The detentions often go unexplained, leaving the families of the victims wondering for months or even years whether their loved one was killed in something as commonplace as a hit-and-run accident or secretly detained by the security forces.

    While Pakistan has long had a poor track record on press freedom, it has gotten notably worse under Mr. Khan’s administration, which has been widely seen as a high-water mark for military influence in the past decade. Pakistan slipped six spots since 2017 — the year before Mr. Khan took office — to 145th place out of 180 countries in the 2020 world press freedom index compiled by Reporters Without Borders.

    In the last five years, 11 journalists have been killed in Pakistan, seven of them since Mr. Khan was sworn in as prime minister two years ago. Anchors have frequently seen their newscasts cut off in the middle of broadcasting — a level of censorship not seen since the era of military dictatorships in Pakistan.

    Instead of establishing an outright dictatorship, human rights groups say, Pakistan’s generals are effectively imposing their will through their allies in a government that they helped usher into office.

    During the 2018 elections, the military was accused of meddling to ensure victory for Mr. Khan and his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party and to virtually dismantle the party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who had tried to curb the military’s powers. The military has denied those accusations.

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    Prime Minister Imran Khan, center, during a military parade last year. The military has been accused of tampering with the election to ensure Mr. Khan’s victory.

    As those elections drew near, the military accused reporters of being anti-state, an allegation that was swiftly condemned by the Committee to Protect Journalists. After a series of articles detailing the military’s political and electoral interference, the security forces disrupted the distribution of Dawn newspaper across the country.

    Over the past year, the country’s remaining critical news outlets have been gutted by the combination of a devastated national economy and the sudden elimination of government advertising dollars. Media organizations have laid off dozens of journalists, and the combination of heavy pressure and job insecurity has led many reporters to avoid critical or controversial subjects.

    Like many Pakistani reporters, Mr. Jan claims that he lost his job as a popular talk show host just months after the election because of his hard-hitting reporting. He now runs his own YouTube channel.

    “This is the first time in the 31 years of my career where I’ve seen a structural takeover of the media industry,” said Talat Hussain, a former Geo TV news anchor who has been critical of the military and government.

    Mr. Hussain said his company fired him under pressure from the military shortly after Mr. Khan’s election. He has remained unemployed, with newspapers and TV shows refusing to host his work.

    “We have dealt with fairly tyrannical regimes that were elected and dealt in repression, but it was episodic,” Mr. Hussain said. “This time it is structural and complete and it’s hard to breathe.”

    Eventually, the authorities came after Mr. Hussain’s former boss. In March, Mir Shakil-ur-Rehman, the owner of the Jang Group, which owns Geo TV and The News newspaper, was detained over accusations of corruption, which Mr. Rehman has denied. Mr. Rehman has been held for over 100 days without charges, and several bail hearings have been postponed.

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    I don't think IK can do much here even though thread title is about IK and press freedom.


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    Media is very free in Pakistan, they talk rubbish all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
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    Mr 'Indian' again posting propaganda pieces as straight truth.


    24/7 the channels in Pakistan bark against the government and army. Infact 90% of the time is fake news. Just a couple of weeks ago a channel got banned by the regulator due to fake news and within a day the ban was overturned by the judiciary.


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    Pakistan is taking censorship to the next level. It is an undeniable fact that the government and the establishment has left no stone unturned in their quest to gag Pakistani media. We have witnessed shutdowns, bans and sackings of prominent reporters. Reporters have been kidnapped and threatened to fall in line. Now the crackdown has spread to the internet as well with the government targeting social media websites.

    Facebook restricted some 2,149 posts in Pakistan in the second half of 2019, one of the highest totals in any country.

    witter received requests from the Pakistani authorities to remove content from 1,798 accounts in the first half of 2019.

    Scores of Pakistani journalists and activists have received legal notices from Twitter on behalf of the government, which warned users that their tweets were in violation of the law.

    U.S.-based democracy monitor Freedom House said Pakistani authorities blocked more than 800,000 websites and platforms from being accessed within the country, including political, religious, and social content, from June 2018 to May 2019.

    The facts are there for everyone to see. The powers that be are using authoritarian tactics to curtail the freedom of the media and people should speak up about this as much as possible.




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    Free press is not necessarily a good thing. Too many actors with their own agenda. It is not just the right, but the duty of the state to weed out any press which goes against national interest. so called freedom of press be damned. and i say this despite not being a pakistani wellwisher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Free press is not necessarily a good thing. Too many actors with their own agenda. It is not just the right, but the duty of the state to weed out any press which goes against national interest. so called freedom of press be damned. and i say this despite not being a pakistani wellwisher.
    I'm sorry, but this is just stupid.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Free press is not necessarily a good thing. Too many actors with their own agenda. It is not just the right, but the duty of the state to weed out any press which goes against national interest. so called freedom of press be damned. and i say this despite not being a pakistani wellwisher.

    How'd people know who to vote for without a free press? Unless of course you're against democracy too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    How'd people know who to vote for without a free press? Unless of course you're against democracy too.
    How would the people know the free press is representing the nation's interests and not self driven agendas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    How would the people know the free press is representing the nation's interests and not self driven agendas?
    Freedom of press would mean they get all sides of the news and have the choice to make up their mind instead of getting only filtered news from the government. I can't believe I have to explain this concept.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    How would the people know the free press is representing the nation's interests and not self driven agendas?
    What would be an recent example of a paper representing their own agendas and not the nation's interest?


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    Gleaning info from the news media is almost an art form these days, requires a lot of patience . .. which is why you have to read multiple newspapers, keep in mind the leanings of the editor, check ownership of the media, evaluate the editorials, see if they're being selective in their investigations, cross check the facts across different papers .. it's hard work.


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    The United Nations human rights office on Tuesday voiced concern over growing instances of threats of violence against journalists and human rights activists in Pakistan, calling upon the government to take "immediate, concrete steps" to ensure their protection.

    The UN rights office said it had followed "with increasing concern" numerous cases of incitement to violence — online and offline — against journalists and human rights defenders in the country, particularly against women and minorities.

    At a press briefing in Geneva, spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Rupert Colville pointed out that last month, a number of Pakistani women journalists and commentators in a joint statement had warned of a “coordinated campaign” of social media attacks against anyone who was critical of government policies.

    Colville termed as "especially worrying" accusations of blasphemy levelled against some activists, saying such allegations can put individuals at "imminent risk of violence".

    Citing an example, the spokesperson said a female activist had recently been accused of blasphemy on social media and police complaints were filed against her after a tweet. He noted that the activist had received numerous messages with "highly derogatory and violent language", including gender-based slurs and death threats, and her personal details were also revealed on Twitter.

    The UN statement comes after Amnesty International on August 25 raised concerns over what it termed an "alarming uptick in blasphemy accusations across Pakistan".

    It said recent incidents indicated that the blasphemy law was being used to target artists, human rights defenders and journalists, besides the marginalised sections of society.

    'Ensure protection of journalists, human rights defenders'
    According to the UN spokesperson, last year, at least four journalists and bloggers were killed in Pakistan in connection with their reporting, including Arooj Iqbal, a woman who was shot dead in Lahore as she tried to launch her own local newspaper.

    He highlighted the killing over last weekend of journalist Shaheena Shaheen, who was shot dead at her home in Turbat area of Balochistan's Kech district. Police had said at the time that Shaheen's killing appeared to be the "result of domestic violence".

    "In the vast majority of such cases, those responsible have not been investigated, prosecuted and held to account," Colville told reporters.

    He said the rights office had raised its concerns directly with the government and had urged it to take “immediate, concrete steps to ensure the protection of journalists and human rights defenders who have been subjected to threats”.

    “We also stress the need for prompt, effective, thorough and impartial investigations with a view to ensuring accountability in cases of violence and killings,” he said.

    The UN rights office also called on the Pakistani leadership to “unequivocally condemn incitement to violence against religious minorities” as well as “what appears to be an increase in the use of blasphemy laws for personal or political score-settling”.

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    A first information report (FIR) has been registered against journalist Asad Toor for posting "negative propaganda against the state, Pakistani institutions and the Pakistan Army" on his social media account, it emerged on Tuesday.

    Toor, who is based in Islamabad, shared a copy of the FIR on his Twitter account.

    It was registered on a complaint by Hafiz Ehtesham Ahmed, a resident of Rawalpindi, who claimed that "in the last few days, [Toor] has used derogatory language for high-level government institutions, including the Pakistan Army which is a grave crime according to the law."

    The FIR has been registered under sections 499 (defamation), 500 (punishment for defamation) and 505 (statements conducing to public mischief) of the Pakistan Penal Code and sections 11 (hate speech), 20 (offences against dignity of a person) and 37 (unlawful online content) of the Pakistan Electronic Crimes Act (Peca) 2016.

    Toor termed the registration of the FIR a "sad development".

    "This is a sad development for me being a journalist because I never wish to be a news myself," he said.

    Meanwhile, the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) condemned the registration of the case against Toor.

    "The alarming increase in such actions against journalists confirms that the government is bent on muzzling freedom of expression.

    "HRCP demands that the rights of citizens be respected and that both the government and state adopt course correction," the commission said on Twitter.

    The case against Toor is the third such complaint to be registered against a journalist in the past few days.

    A similar FIR was registered against journalist and former Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) chairman Absar Alam in Jhelum.

    Editorial: Media under fire

    The FIR was lodged on the complaint of Chaudhry Naveed Ahmed who alleged that Alam had used "extremely vulgar" language against Prime Minister Imran Khan and Pakistan Army on Twitter and other social media which he said was tantamount to "treason".

    "[The soldiers of] Pakistan Army sacrifice their lives to protect the citizens and are at the forefront when disaster strikes [...] the entire world acknowledges the services of Pakistan Army," the FIR read.

    "This is the first time that the country has an honest prime minister who is taking steps [for the betterment of the country] by working day and night. Absar Alam has made defamatory statements against the prime minister and used extremely unbefitting language," the FIR said.

    It alleged that Alam, despite living in Pakistan, was "furthering the objectives of the enemies of Pakistan".

    The FIR was registered under sections 124 (assaulting president, governor, etc., with intention to compel or restrain the exercise of any lawful power), 131 (abetting mutiny, or attempting to seduce a soldier, sailor or airman from his duty), 499 (defamation), 505 (statements conducing to public mischief) of the Pakistan Penal Code and section 20 (offences against dignity of a person) of Peca.

    Senate panel takes notice
    A day earlier, Senate Human Rights Committee Chairman Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar said that the panel had taken notice of the FIR against Alam, adding that it had summoned district police officer Jhelum for an explanation.

    "Parliament will keep on raising its voice but would the superior judiciary also take note?" he questioned.

    Journalist arrested for 'defaming Pakistan Army'
    Last week, Bilal Farooqi, a senior journalist associated with English-language daily The Express Tribune was detained by Karachi police for allegedly posting "objectionable" material on social media and "defaming" the army.

    According to the contents of the FIR reviewed by Dawn, the complainant, Javed Khan, a resident of Majeed Colony in Karachi's Landhi, said he visited a restaurant in DHA Phase-II Extension on Sept 9 where he checked his Facebook and Twitter accounts and found "highly objectionable material" shared by Farooqi on the two platforms.

    The complainant claimed that "highly provocative posts" had been shared by Farooqi against the Pakistan Army and that the same also contained material pertaining to religious hatred.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1579824/fi...a-against-army


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    Pakistan introduces changes in its cyber crime law to punish anyone found guilty of defaming the country’s military on social media with up to 2 years in prison and a Rs 500,000 fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Pakistan introduces changes in its cyber crime law to punish anyone found guilty of defaming the country’s military on social media with up to 2 years in prison and a Rs 500,000 fine
    This new bill was introduced by PTI member Amjid Ali Khan. The amendment states that “whosoever intentionally ridicules, brings into disrespect or defames the Armed Forces of Pakistan or a member thereof, he shall be guilty of an offence punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine which may extend to five hundred thousand rupees, or with both.”

    However, even the original law, The Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act (PECA), which was passed in 2016 was draconian in nature and the amendments being made continue pushing Pakistan towards being an authoritarian state. It was under PECA that, in 2018, the PTA asked Facebook to remove links to a story published by Pakistan’s leading newspaper in which a politician criticized the local judiciary.

    The difference between PECA and older cyber law regulation in Pakistan was that PECA introduced sections that criminalize speech and give authorities unchecked powers to curtail and prosecute it. This is obviously not only a human rights issue dealing with curtailment of free speech but also an issue when it comes to freedom of press.

    The law itself is against the constitution of Pakistan and gives powers to certain authorities that should not possess them. or instance, Section 37 of PECA gives unbridled powers to the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority (PTA) to block or remove online content, thereby restricting the right to freedom of expression, as guaranteed by Article 19 of the constitution.

    Whereas Section 37 extends unchecked powers, other sections of PECA impose criminal penalties on certain kinds of speech. Section 20 – “Offences against the natural dignity of a person” – introduces criminal defamation through a vaguely worded section that stipulates a three-year jail term and a fine that runs into the millions of rupees. Its broad language enables misuse to settle scores and/or take dissidents to task.

    There is a critical analysis of Pakistan's Cyber Crime Bill published by Reporters Without Borders which specifies in detail the sections of this law that are against the fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expressions. This can be read here for those interested (https://rsf.org/sites/default/files/...crime_bill.pdf)




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    De facto military rule in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    De facto military rule in Pakistan.
    It's a private member bill, not by the government. If it gets passed, yeah then we're screwed.

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    There are two issues:

    -Is everyone free to talk about Baloch or PTM or any military related sensitive issues? Clear answer is no, despite PTM being caught lying countless times. Now this 'restriction' on reporting on these issues are not done by the civilian government, but by the military so yes in this regard there are restrictions but only in this regard, otherwise every Tom Dick and Harry openly barks about 'establishment' every evening on every talk show and nothing happens.


    -Are there restrictions from PTI? Absolutely not. Talk show after talk show from Geo to social media bash him 24/7, half of it fake rubbish which gets acknowledged later. Just tune it into any talk show and Imran Khan gets plastered by some channels and journalists. So yeah, in this regard the media is totally free.


    Journalists are in danger, but not from PTI. Either the military or PPP, those paragons of democracy who have a habit of killing journalists. The only thing PTI HAS done is stop handing out hundreds of millions of Rupees to Geo and DAWN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    There are two issues:

    -Is everyone free to talk about Baloch or PTM or any military related sensitive issues? Clear answer is no, despite PTM being caught lying countless times. Now this 'restriction' on reporting on these issues are not done by the civilian government, but by the military so yes in this regard there are restrictions but only in this regard, otherwise every Tom Dick and Harry openly barks about 'establishment' every evening on every talk show and nothing happens.


    -Are there restrictions from PTI? Absolutely not. Talk show after talk show from Geo to social media bash him 24/7, half of it fake rubbish which gets acknowledged later. Just tune it into any talk show and Imran Khan gets plastered by some channels and journalists. So yeah, in this regard the media is totally free.


    Journalists are in danger, but not from PTI. Either the military or PPP, those paragons of democracy who have a habit of killing journalists. The only thing PTI HAS done is stop handing out hundreds of millions of Rupees to Geo and DAWN.
    The law is too generic and could be and has been used to track down journalists and silence them. Everyone should have a freedom of speech. Everyone should be allowed to talk about matters that impact the country. This is supposed to be a democracy not an autocracy.

    The bill which now mandates prison sentence and fines for speaking against the military is presented by a PTI member so yes, restrictions are from PTI.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    The law is too generic and could be and has been used to track down journalists and silence them. Everyone should have a freedom of speech. Everyone should be allowed to talk about matters that impact the country. This is supposed to be a democracy not an autocracy.

    The bill which now mandates prison sentence and fines for speaking against the military is presented by a PTI member so yes, restrictions are from PTI.
    Not really. That bill would have been presented and passed under any government because of the military. And also the bill again is about the military not the civilian government. You can call Imran a hoe non stop and noone would stop you.

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    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

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    Press is not in control of Imran Khan but in the control of the Establishment.

    Therefore it is not free at all.

    Stories of missing persons, blackouts and repression of political activists are ignored in the media as they do not make for comfortable reading.

    We all saw what happened to Cyril Almeida a while ago.

    Liberal press will not exist until we have a liberal Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    And the difference between the two is?

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    Papa John wants Pakistanis to stop asking for the receipts of his pizzas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Not really. That bill would have been presented and passed under any government because of the military. And also the bill again is about the military not the civilian government. You can call Imran a hoe non stop and noone would stop you.
    I'm confused. Who do you think tabled the bill? It was brought to the table by Amjid Ali Khan who is a member of PTI. How can you say PTI isn't behind this bill if a member of their party is the one presenting it. Unless you're saying PTI is under military control.




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    delete. Repeated post




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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    And the difference between the two is?
    Our friend here is trying to act smart but I'm sure even he doesn't know the difference between the two. So I'll take the time here to educate him. A private member bill is a bill presented by someone who isn't a minister whereas, a bill presented by a minister is called a government bill.

    Now tell me how that changes anything? The bill is presented by a member of PTI who is not a minister but still a member of PTI. The bill still reflects the understanding of the party as the person presenting it is a member of this party.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    I'm confused. Who do you think tabled the bill? It was brought to the table by Amjid Ali Khan who is a member of PTI. How can you say PTI isn't behind this bill if a member of their party is the one presenting it. Unless you're saying PTI is under military control.
    Not sure why we are arguing about this when this sort of thing would have happened under anyone and everyone knows military asserts some control over certain things.

    You're very intelligent and clever so I'm not sure why you're arguing about this, maybe it's PTI and you can't help yourself ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Not sure why we are arguing about this when this sort of thing would have happened under anyone and everyone knows military asserts some control over certain things.

    You're very intelligent and clever so I'm not sure why you're arguing about this, maybe it's PTI and you can't help yourself ;)
    Not arguing. Just trying to understand if you were saying what I think you were saying and now it's confirmed that is indeed the case.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Our friend here is trying to act smart but I'm sure even he doesn't know the difference between the two. So I'll take the time here to educate him. A private member bill is a bill presented by someone who isn't a minister whereas, a bill presented by a minister is called a government bill.

    Now tell me how that changes anything? The bill is presented by a member of PTI who is not a minister but still a member of PTI. The bill still reflects the understanding of the party as the person presenting it is a member of this party.
    When talking to a patwari I don't have to 'act' smart, I'm already smarter by default.


    A private member's bill means any member of the parliament can bring a bill. Whether the member belongs to a ruling party or not. If the government decides to bring a bill it is drafted by law ministry in collaboration with the relevant ministry that the bill pertains to, it is then first approved by cabinet and gets the PM's nod of approval after which it is presented in parliament by the relevant minister, law Minister or parliamentary secretary.

    Any bill whether private or government has to be approved by majority of parliamentarians to become an act of parliament

    So now you know my dear patwari. Please realize your level before trying to jump above your pay grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Not arguing. Just trying to understand if you were saying what I think you were saying and now it's confirmed that is indeed the case.
    Military has influence esp on things like which pertains to how they operate. They have done so under PPP and PMLN and now PTI.

    It doesn't mean the military are running the country. It means they have influence which they use. So nope, I'm not really confirming that PTI is run by the military. The military has nothing to do with health care reforms or the economy or other day to day running of the country. Military a influence will diminish once we improve our economy and the people see that a non corrupt civiiant government can be trusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    When talking to a patwari I don't have to 'act' smart, I'm already smarter by default.


    A private member's bill means any member of the parliament can bring a bill. Whether the member belongs to a ruling party or not. If the government decides to bring a bill it is drafted by law ministry in collaboration with the relevant ministry that the bill pertains to, it is then first approved by cabinet and gets the PM's nod of approval after which it is presented in parliament by the relevant minister, law Minister or parliamentary secretary.

    Any bill whether private or government has to be approved by majority of parliamentarians to become an act of parliament

    So now you know my dear patwari. Please realize your level before trying to jump above your pay grade.
    This is exactly what I said. Thanks for elaborating on my point nonetheless would a member of a party bring a bill to the table that goes against the ethos of the party he is a member of. Would the party allow such a thing to happen?

    For example, let's say a PTI member wants to privately bring on a bill which legalizes homosexuality would the PTI allow this person to present the said bill while he is a member of the party? Of course not. The party would either not let the person the bill or ask him to leave the party.

    I think its obvious what is going on here. You can play innocent as much as you want.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    This is exactly what I said. Thanks for elaborating on my point nonetheless would a member of a party bring a bill to the table that goes against the ethos of the party he is a member of. Would the party allow such a thing to happen?

    For example, let's say a PTI member wants to privately bring on a bill which legalizes homosexuality would the PTI allow this person to present the said bill while he is a member of the party? Of course not. The party would either not let the person the bill or ask him to leave the party.

    I think its obvious what is going on here. You can play innocent as much as you want.
    I'll play innocent and you play dumb. Deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I'll play innocent and you play dumb. Deal?
    I love how you avoided the question because it completely exposed your stupid argument.




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    I love how you avoided the question because it completely exposed your stupid argument.
    No I avoided it because it is dumb.

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    Both are the same in essence. If the proposed bill is passed, it will become a law. What a joke this country has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    No I avoided it because it is dumb.
    Of course it is lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Always better to educate oneself rather than come across as ignorant as saeedhk and uberkoen are doing right now.

    Mazari is trying to take the gullible public for a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Pakistan introduces changes in its cyber crime law to punish anyone found guilty of defaming the country’s military on social media with up to 2 years in prison and a Rs 500,000 fine
    Deir aye durust aye !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Pakistan introduces changes in its cyber crime law to punish anyone found guilty of defaming the country’s military on social media with up to 2 years in prison and a Rs 500,000 fine
    This is a pretty crazy law if implemented, The press is not great, but they deserve a chance to speak freely.


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