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    Their batting line-up is scary.

    No total is beyond them and they are never fazed or panic when chasing huge totals.

    Brilliant to watch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Pakistan have not won a bilateral ODI series against a top team since 2013. How can you be positive about that lol? That's a pathetic record

    Sofh Africa beat ful strength Australian side who have beaten India and England in recent weeks.
    ODIs? Not sure why you always talk about one format when there are three in total and this match thread was for "T20" match between SA and Eng.

    Also when did I ask to be positive or something, I am just saying that if Pak would have lost like this critics would have been making threads like how everything is finished etc. Pakistan's ODI record since 2013 is irrelevant.

    However, lets give everything a thought. Pak won a 50 over ODI ICC tournament in last decade with CT 17, achieved no 1 test ranking (Ranking aside lost only two home series in the last decade), remained number 1 T20 team for almost two years.

    People often forget that there are 3 formats in total. Pakistan despite all the struggles in ODIs won an ICC trophy in the last decade. Not to forget last decade was one of the worst one (With no cricket at home, 3 banned top players) and Pak still achieved no 1 ranking in 2 formats and wont an ICC tournament in another one. Not saying Pak was world beater or something but, there is no way one can downplay achievements as well which critics have tendency to and whenever Pak looses something there are threads that how everything is finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    Beat Pak in 2007/08

    SL in 2014

    India in 2000
    That is a long time for top side.
    When did India win in SENA other than when they beat a considerable weak Australian team ?

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    How does Saqib Mahmood not get into this England side over Tom Curran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    So I'm wrong after 1 series ? So by that logic when South Africa beat Australia they are definitely a force.

    I don't get mad when someone says South Africa are not a top team. I get mad when people say South African cricket is finished which is not the case.

    And when I said they would be a force, what I meant was the would beat the lower teams and challenge the big 3. Maybe beat them in some series. It won't happen after 1 week of me making that thread. It will take time. But eventually South Africa will return to being a top team . A situation which is unlikely with Pakistan.

    Pakistan could have easily lost that test series 2-0 if it wasn't for rain in the last game and England didn't play their full strength team against us in the T20s. They played their full strength team against South Africa. That is why there is no need to say South African cricket is finished when they are losing to the best team in the world in LO.
    @Titan24 was being pretty level headed about the fact that SA is a mid tier team but you kept insisting that they are on par with NZ for the 4th position. You were getting pretty defensive.

    Sure they managed an ODI series win against Australia. But we can't forget all their other poor results. whitewashed at home by SL, 7th place finish in the World Cup (even lost to Bangladesh), 3-0 in India (huge margins), losing home test series vs England.

    We can "what if" about the Pakistan England series all we want, the result won't change. Only a few key players were missing (Roy, Bairstow, Malan, Morgan, Jordan, Curran, Rashid were all still playing). Home/away factor could negate that quite easily.

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    Brutal, absolutely brutal.

    T20 World Cup is England's, for sure.

    Quinton needs to be removed from captaincy asap, bring Du Plessis back. He got far too stressed, and didn't go up to his bowlers at all after they were getting smacked around the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    ODIs? Not sure why you always talk about one format when there are three in total and this match thread was for "T20" match between SA and Eng.

    Also when did I ask to be positive or something, I am just saying that if Pak would have lost like this critics would have been making threads like how everything is finished etc. Pakistan's ODI record since 2013 is irrelevant.

    However, lets give everything a thought. Pak won a 50 over ODI ICC tournament in last decade with CT 17, achieved no 1 test ranking (Ranking aside lost only two home series in the last decade), remained number 1 T20 team for almost two years.

    People often forget that there are 3 formats in total. Pakistan despite all the struggles in ODIs won an ICC trophy in the last decade. Not to forget last decade was one of the worst one (With no cricket at home, 3 banned top players) and Pak still achieved no 1 ranking in 2 formats and wont an ICC tournament in another one. Not saying Pak was world beater or something but, there is no way one can downplay achievements as well which critics have tendency to and whenever Pak looses something there are threads that how everything is finished.
    Greta post. Many people fail to realize this.

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    Guess who was the last team to beat them at their home with a weakened team in T20? India that too without Shami and boomrah. England din't have Archer.
    India have become really good in T20. I am certain at full strength only India can beta England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Guess who was the last team to beat them at their home with a weakened team in T20? India that too without Shami and boomrah. England din't have Archer.
    India have become really good in T20. I am certain at full strength only India can beta England.
    England is overrated in T20. They lack penetrative bowling options and even a single good spinner. Their batting is one of the ATGs but you cannot expect it to win every single match covering for the bowlers. Even the highest rated bowler Jofra Archer was smashed to bits just yesterday by Rassie van der Dussen. And how long will they rely on Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid to bowl their mediocre spin? Lot left to be desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    England is overrated in T20. They lack penetrative bowling options and even a single good spinner. Their batting is one of the ATGs but you cannot expect it to win every single match covering for the bowlers. Even the highest rated bowler Jofra Archer was smashed to bits just yesterday by Rassie van der Dussen. And how long will they rely on Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid to bowl their mediocre spin? Lot left to be desired.
    Well, they are rated #1 by the ICC as a result of yesterday.

    Magnificent by Malan. I thought they would struggle to get 191, but they walked it. Malan is #1 rated batter in T20 now, and “mediocre” Rashid is #4 bowler.

    Try to give a bit of credit where it is due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Well, they are rated #1 by the ICC as a result of yesterday.

    Magnificent by Malan. I thought they would struggle to get 191, but they walked it. Malan is #1 rated batter in T20 now, and “mediocre” Rashid is #4 bowler.

    Try to give a bit of credit where it is due.
    England for me is the best team in t20s

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    World class archer getting taken apart is a brillant scene

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    England for me is the best team in t20s
    India is as they already best England in T20 not too long ago IN THEIR HOME after losing tosses.

    England is the best on Pattas in odi.
    India and Aussies are better on every other pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    India is as they already best England in T20 not too long ago IN THEIR HOME after losing tosses.

    England is the best on Pattas in odi.
    India and Aussies are better on every other pitch.
    We are a mediocre all format team. We are not good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Well, they are rated #1 by the ICC as a result of yesterday.

    Magnificent by Malan. I thought they would struggle to get 191, but they walked it. Malan is #1 rated batter in T20 now, and “mediocre” Rashid is #4 bowler.

    Try to give a bit of credit where it is due.
    Lot of delusional fans on here fail to give England the credit they deserve, criminally underrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    We are a mediocre all format team. We are not good enough.
    For India anything below top 3 is mediocre.

    We are definitely top 2 in tests overall
    Top 3 in odi.
    Top 2 in t20.

    T20 being our weakest format according to many people. Not true at all.

    Odi is our weakest format. We are very strong in t20 and definitely top 2 in tests.

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    Since October 2018, England have won seven T20I series' and drawn one.

    Can they go the full distance in next year's T20 World Cup in India?
    Last edited by King_Kohli; 3rd December 2020 at 17:37.


    Virat, ABD, KP and Sir Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    We are a mediocre all format team. We are not good enough.
    Not in T20's I believe.

    Since Feb 2016,England Lost only 2 T20I Series, both were against India.

    India in T20Is under Virat Kohli in last 2-3 years
    won in ENG (2-1)
    won in SA (2-1)
    won in NZ (5-0)
    drew in AUS (1-1)
    Lost one series (vs AUS, 2019) in last 3 years.


    Virat, ABD, KP and Sir Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    Not in T20's I believe.

    Since Feb 2016,England Lost only 2 T20I Series, both were against India.

    India in T20Is under Virat Kohli in last 2-3 years
    won in ENG (2-1)
    won in SA (2-1)
    won in NZ (5-0)
    drew in AUS (1-1)
    Lost one series (vs AUS, 2019) in last 3 years.
    Yep if anything India is number 1 in T20s and easily top 2 in tests. Only reason India dips sometimes in tests is cause their schedule is way more tighter and they don't have the luxury to rest key marketable players as they put butts on seats or glued to the TV.

    Odi is our weakest format and we are still quite easily top 3 if not top 2 on Pattas

    In non patta condtions we are number 1 or 2 definitely even in odi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Yep if anything India is number 1 in T20s and easily top 2 in tests. Only reason India dips sometimes in tests is cause their schedule is way more tighter and they don't have the luxury to rest key marketable players as they put butts on seats or glued to the TV.

    Odi is our weakest format and we are still quite easily top 3 if not top 2 on Pattas

    In non patta condtions we are number 1 or 2 definitely even in odi.
    Agree.
    We are mediocre in ODI's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    India is as they already best England in T20 not too long ago IN THEIR HOME after losing tosses.

    England is the best on Pattas in odi.
    India and Aussies are better on every other pitch.
    Even pakistan beat Australia in 2018 does that mean pakistan is better than austrlia ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Even pakistan beat Australia in 2018 does that mean pakistan is better than austrlia ?
    We beat them twice.
    Pakistan beat Aussies in 2018 sure.. But have you seen our record. We only lost one series with a weakened team.

    We are a top top T20 side. We are like 2 or 3 in odi on pattas. Non Pattas we are a top 2 side.

    We are just very good if we pick the right combination.

    I have seen India play t20 and I can tell you they don't even try hard but end up winning. They are really good in T20 and tests. Odi we are still searching for the right combination so it will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    We beat them twice.
    Pakistan beat Aussies in 2018 sure.. But have you seen our record. We only lost one series with a weakened team.

    We are a top top T20 side. We are like 2 or 3 in odi on pattas. Non Pattas we are a top 2 side.

    We are just very good if we pick the right combination.

    I have seen India play t20 and I can tell you they don't even try hard but end up winning. They are really good in T20 and tests. Odi we are still searching for the right combination so it will take time.
    Tests you are really good in asia no one will beat you.

    Of course india try how can you go on a cricket field and not try
    In odis and t20s i think only team better than you currently are england and maybe austrlia.


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