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    [VIDEO] "This yes boss business where you do as you are told must come to an end" : Mohammad Amir

    Mohammad Amir speaking in his own YouTube:

    "The whole issue started off after I took retirement from Test cricket - at that time no one had an issue with this and people supported me including media"

    "My body was unable to take the load and my workload had been shared on twitter etc; I also had injuries in my shoulder and Mickey even supported me, and this issue seemed to be resolved"

    "After Pakistan lost to Australia in the series there, some statements from the Bowling Coach and the Head Coach came out against me out of nowhere - no idea why they decided to come after me"

    "They started saying that Amir did this and that, left Tests to play in leagues etc"

    "I had been patiently absorbing this for almost a year, and recently in response to a journalists question, he [Waqar] said that Amir left Tests not because of workloads"

    "So what is being put in people's heads is that I have left Tests to earn more money - you see - every person has self respect"

    "Some ex cricketers on TV even taunt me about 2010 - let me say that type of guts I showed are not common amongst people; If I made a mistake, then I also accepted my guilt and apologized; They say I feel like I have done a favour to Pakistan but that is not the case"

    "When we were allowed only 2 NOCs to play leagues then how could they say I would earn money playing leagues? so by saying this over and over again has eventually destroyed my reputation"

    "This was frustrating me and this had to explode at some point"

    "I am not weak-minded - if I was weak then I would have not comeback into cricket after 2010"

    "For all those who sit on TV channels and say stuff about me, they should see that even today I am in ICC's ODI top 10 ranking"

    "I have no quarrel with Ehsan Mani or Wasim Khan but I am against the current team management trying to put a stranglehold on players"

    "This yes boss business where you do as you are told must come to an end"

    "Haris Rauf came into the team after playing in BBL - same thing for me, if I am not in national side then I will avail myself of any chances such as when I played for LPL"

    "I only found out via social media that I was dropped from the team; This is the respect for the player that he is not finding out from the management but from social media that he is dropped"

    "There are those who play one format but people don't have a problem with that but I offered to play 2 formats and they have a problem"

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    Amir needs to get hold of himself and end this episode of drama one way or another.

    Regarding LPL and getting selected for team, if he was hoping for that than whats with the retirement? Also to be honest he didnt event set the world on fire in LPL where he took 11 wickets in 10 matches at an average of 26 while his own team mate and youngster Lakhsan outperformed him with 14 wickets in 8 matches at an avg of 17 (Yes Amir had a better economy).

    On the other hand Haris Rauf took 20 wickets in 10 matches at an avg of 13 and economy of 7.05 in BBL. So even if you are aiming to get noticed from a foreign league than you have to do something extraordinary in a foreign league to be considered and Amir has done nothing earth shattering in recent times in domestic cricket or foreign league.

    To have any future in international cricket he needs to get his priorities right and come out of self denial.

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    Can someone just tell him he's not selected because he's not good enough already

    What a crybaby. You lose your ability to bargain when you bring shame to the entire nation and the cricket team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post

    On the other hand Haris Rauf took 20 wickets in 10 matches at an avg of 13 and economy of 7.05 in BBL. So even if you are aiming to get noticed from a foreign league than you have to do something extraordinary in a foreign league to be considered and Amir has done nothing earth shattering in recent times in domestic cricket or foreign league.

    To have any future in international cricket he needs to get his priorities right and come out of self denial.
    AFAIK Amir wasn't even among the top 10 bowlers in the NT20 Cup

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    His own chronology of what occurred is messed up.
    He says that the bowling coach and manager started talking about him after they lost to the Aussies...
    But he went to England this summer!!!!!

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    "This yes boss business where you do as you are told must come to an end" : Mohammad Amir

    You should have thought more about it when you took money from your boss and did what he asked you to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    "This yes boss business where you do as you are told must come to an end" : Mohammad Amir

    You should have thought more about it when you took money from your boss and did what he asked you to do.
    Touche

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    Really do feel for Amir. Disappointed by all the negative comments on here. What he is saying is right. Misbah and Waqar are supposed to be man-managers, instead they drop him and he finds out from social media, and they slag him off in the press. Really gross behaviour from Misbah and Waqar. Pakistani fans should not let them off so easily.

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    I thought he was bang on in this video.

    Most of his points are valid about NOCs, workload, and playing in leagues to earn back his spot. Pakistani management has already shown performing in leagues matters to them and they do weigh those performances heavily.

    If it was all about money, he would have retired from all formats years ago. The man doesn't need international cricket to build his brand as he's already well-known around the cricketing world. That usually applies to younger players.

    In this case, Misbah and Waqar have simply let out their personal hatred for him (likely due to 2010) through a constant barrage of statements about his workload. A lot of fans do this too. The idea of ' he should bowl with his head down until he dies on the pitch' as some sort of medieval punishment has been obvious since he came back.

    The same issue could have been handled nicely but they purposely let out media statements to make him look bad. Just to sneak in and justify selecting Musa.

    At this point, Amir needs to keep working on his performances. That's what allowed management to pile on him. Things move quickly in Pakistani cricket and a lost series or two can lead to changes across the board.


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    In an employer employee relationship, if the employer is paying the employee his wages in exchange for services then yes the employee has to follow the terms, conditions set out by the employer otherwise they are both free to part ways as has happened in this case

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreePalestine View Post
    Really do feel for Amir. Disappointed by all the negative comments on here. What he is saying is right. Misbah and Waqar are supposed to be man-managers, instead they drop him and he finds out from social media, and they slag him off in the press. Really gross behaviour from Misbah and Waqar. Pakistani fans should not let them off so easily.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    I thought he was bang on in this video.

    Most of his points are valid about NOCs, workload, and playing in leagues to earn back his spot. Pakistani management has already shown performing in leagues matters to them and they do weigh those performances heavily.

    If it was all about money, he would have retired from all formats years ago. The man doesn't need international cricket to build his brand as he's already well-known around the cricketing world. That usually applies to younger players.

    In this case, Misbah and Waqar have simply let out their personal hatred for him (likely due to 2010) through a constant barrage of statements about his workload. A lot of fans do this too. The idea of ' he should bowl with his head down until he dies on the pitch' as some sort of medieval punishment has been obvious since he came back.

    The same issue could have been handled nicely but they purposely let out media statements to make him look bad. Just to sneak in and justify selecting Musa.

    At this point, Amir needs to keep working on his performances. That's what allowed management to pile on him. Things move quickly in Pakistani cricket and a lost series or two can lead to changes across the board.
    Fully agree, great posts.

    South Asian seniority culture seems to be in play here.

    Him retiring from Tests was really overblown too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    "This yes boss business where you do as you are told must come to an end" : Mohammad Amir

    You should have thought more about it when you took money from your boss and did what he asked you to do.
    Ouch. Classic Viru.

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    Amir is correct in his comments. Misbah and Waqar are a pathetic management duo who allowed this issue to deterioriate.

    The story about Amir having concerns over workload came after CT17. So why didn't this issue explode publicly under Mickey Arthur and Inzamam-ul-Haq ? As Mickey and Inzamam regularly communicated with Amir, showed empathy and understood in the modern game it's difficult for a fast bowler to play all formats, especially one returning from a 5 year absence.

    If these two jokers sat down with their predecessor Mickey Arthur before accepting the job, they'd have been made aware of Amir's conversations. But that's the difference between a professional coach and incompetent, arrogant desi coaches who think they know better.

    Misbah and Waqar play gully bowlers like Musa and Faheem, yet Amir who's #7 in ICC ODI rankings doesn't even get a Cat C contract.

    To be fair to Misbah, it's Waqar who kept stirring the pot with his ignorant comments. Saying things like "Amir and Wahab gave us a dhoka", "they retired just before Australia tour" (they announced it well in advance in July) and then his statement about Amir not retiring over workload basically calling him a liar.

    Amir shouldn't have been speaking and tweeting publicly, and yes his form and fitness has been underwhelming post-2016. However Waqar and Misbah are not blameless either.

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    "Some ex cricketers on TV even taunt me about 2010 - let me say that type of guts I showed are not common amongst people; If I made a mistake, then I also accepted my guilt and apologized; They say I feel like I have done a favour to Pakistan but that is not the case"


    Wow this guy thinks he did an ehsaan on us by admitting.

    And he lied. He said no ball ke itni baree saza. He only admitted after he knew he couldnt get away with it.


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    The guy is clearly a brat and has ruined his own career, heís not the best bowler in the world that we should go begging for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    The guy is clearly a brat and has ruined his own career, heís not the best bowler in the world that we should go begging for him.
    No, you are right. Officially, he is only the 7th best bowler in the world:

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    He was spot on. His decision of retiring makes sense. A dude who has self respect for himself.

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    He was taken to england. He made statements and his performance is there for everyone to see


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    Amir seems to have taken Waqar's comments to heart - now bringing more things into it but underlying its just Waqar's recent comment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Amir is correct in his comments. Misbah and Waqar are a pathetic management duo who allowed this issue to deterioriate.

    The story about Amir having concerns over workload came after CT17. So why didn't this issue explode publicly under Mickey Arthur and Inzamam-ul-Haq ? As Mickey and Inzamam regularly communicated with Amir, showed empathy and understood in the modern game it's difficult for a fast bowler to play all formats, especially one returning from a 5 year absence.

    If these two jokers sat down with their predecessor Mickey Arthur before accepting the job, they'd have been made aware of Amir's conversations. But that's the difference between a professional coach and incompetent, arrogant desi coaches who think they know better.

    Misbah and Waqar play gully bowlers like Musa and Faheem, yet Amir who's #7 in ICC ODI rankings doesn't even get a Cat C contract.

    To be fair to Misbah, it's Waqar who kept stirring the pot with his ignorant comments. Saying things like "Amir and Wahab gave us a dhoka", "they retired just before Australia tour" (they announced it well in advance in July) and then his statement about Amir not retiring over workload basically calling him a liar.

    Amir shouldn't have been speaking and tweeting publicly, and yes his form and fitness has been underwhelming post-2016. However Waqar and Misbah are not blameless either.
    Don't let your views on Misbah/Waqar cloud your judgement.

    However bad they maybe, there are many players in the squad who are not making such noises.
    Furthermore, Amir's form has been pathetic and his decision to retire from tests, although was stupid, cannot be the reason why he was dropped from T20's.

    If that was the reason the. He wouldn't have been taken to England.


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    Waqar younis is a trouble maker. During had last stint as coach, it was Afridi and Akhtar who had a fall out with him. Then he targeted Sarfaraz Ahmed and kept him out of the playing 11and to prove his point, he put him out as an opener but luckily Sarfaraz did well in that game. This time heís after Amir. On top of that we have another Chodri saab, Misbah, who is hell bent on playing T20 league players in all formats and gives zero bits about domestic performers. This is the same Misbah who was against playing Shaheen in the last WC, where Shaheen proved him wrong and took 5 wickets in a game. Since the departure of Najam Sehti, PCB is going down the hill and it will not stop anytime soon.

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    Waqar Younis has the people skills of a stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Amir seems to have taken Waqar's comments to heart - now bringing more things into it but underlying its just Waqar's recent comment.
    Why is Waqar so focused on Amir. What had Wahab done to be retained in the team? Wahab also announced his retirement from test so why is Amir getting the shorted end of the stick. I dont blame Amir a bit. Team is full of Parachis. Why is Imam traveling with the team, when there are no ODI scheduled? Usman Qadir preference over a much deserved player from Sindh is another one of
    Misbahís misbehaving.

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    Once PCB decided to take him back in 2015, then there is no point bringing back old fixing things that he did.

    Just see him as a bowler and treat him accordingly, if he is bowling well then he should have been selected for NZ tour, even then a drop doesn't deserve retirement etc. So he is wrong there.

    But why should a coach talk about a player to media and suggest so many ulterior things, that's wrong on so many counts. You didn't select him and hence he went to play a league.

    What's wrong there???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Amir needs to get hold of himself and end this episode of drama one way or another.

    Regarding LPL and getting selected for team, if he was hoping for that than whats with the retirement? Also to be honest he didnt event set the world on fire in LPL where he took 11 wickets in 10 matches at an average of 26 while his own team mate and youngster Lakhsan outperformed him with 14 wickets in 8 matches at an avg of 17 (Yes Amir had a better economy).

    On the other hand Haris Rauf took 20 wickets in 10 matches at an avg of 13 and economy of 7.05 in BBL. So even if you are aiming to get noticed from a foreign league than you have to do something extraordinary in a foreign league to be considered and Amir has done nothing earth shattering in recent times in domestic cricket or foreign league.

    To have any future in international cricket he needs to get his priorities right and come out of self denial.
    He didn't talked about his performances in the LPL, he just said this was the best thing for him to do to be selected again to be selected rather than staying at home.

    His reaction came after Waqar Younis unnecessarily talked about Aamir's retirement on NZ tour.

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    It took guts for you to do such a stupid thing before turning 18.

    The social media brigade making him look like an ATG is giving him a false sense of being empathised with.

    He was taken to England where he was unable to complete 4 overs.

    This fiasco needs to end and not be beaten to death. You retired, fine. Move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    He didn't talked about his performances in the LPL, he just said this was the best thing for him to do to be selected again to be selected rather than staying at home.

    His reaction came after Waqar Younis unnecessarily talked about Aamir's retirement on NZ tour.
    Waqar is probably a douche after all. Should have been focusing on the players he has rather than someone who is not.

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    Amir's personality has red flags which are visible for everyone to see. He is someone who seems to have a very fragile ego which seems to be on display here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    He didn't talked about his performances in the LPL, he just said this was the best thing for him to do to be selected again to be selected rather than staying at home.

    His reaction came after Waqar Younis unnecessarily talked about Aamir's retirement on NZ tour.
    Fair enough. However, the way he talked about Haris getting selected based upon BBL looked like a taunt. He didnt have to be so specific in my opinion.

    ďHaris Rauf came into the team after playing in BBL - same thing for meĒ

    Maybe I am wrong but, the kind of negative things he have been saying regarding management everything looks like a dig at them.

    I am not a fan of the team management but, as a senior player maybe he could have handled the things in a better manner and could have approached a proper channel to put forward his reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Amir is correct in his comments. Misbah and Waqar are a pathetic management duo who allowed this issue to deterioriate.

    The story about Amir having concerns over workload came after CT17. So why didn't this issue explode publicly under Mickey Arthur and Inzamam-ul-Haq ? As Mickey and Inzamam regularly communicated with Amir, showed empathy and understood in the modern game it's difficult for a fast bowler to play all formats, especially one returning from a 5 year absence.

    If these two jokers sat down with their predecessor Mickey Arthur before accepting the job, they'd have been made aware of Amir's conversations. But that's the difference between a professional coach and incompetent, arrogant desi coaches who think they know better.

    Misbah and Waqar play gully bowlers like Musa and Faheem, yet Amir who's #7 in ICC ODI rankings doesn't even get a Cat C contract.

    To be fair to Misbah, it's Waqar who kept stirring the pot with his ignorant comments. Saying things like "Amir and Wahab gave us a dhoka", "they retired just before Australia tour" (they announced it well in advance in July) and then his statement about Amir not retiring over workload basically calling him a liar.

    Amir shouldn't have been speaking and tweeting publicly, and yes his form and fitness has been underwhelming post-2016. However Waqar and Misbah are not blameless either.
    It's PCBs fault for putting this incompetent management over our heads. Waqar keeps coming back, can someone tell me why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Fair enough. However, the way he talked about Haris getting selected based upon BBL looked like a taunt. He didnt have to be so specific in my opinion.

    “Haris Rauf came into the team after playing in BBL - same thing for me”

    Maybe I am wrong but, the kind of negative things he have been saying regarding management everything looks like a dig at them.

    I am not a fan of the team management but, as a senior player maybe he could have handled the things in a better manner and could have approached a proper channel to put forward his reservations.
    Watch the video, he isnt taunting Rauf. I can see why it looks like a taunt if read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ertugrul_Bey View Post
    Waqar younis is a trouble maker. During had last stint as coach, it was Afridi and Akhtar who had a fall out with him. Then he targeted Sarfaraz Ahmed and kept him out of the playing 11and to prove his point, he put him out as an opener but luckily Sarfaraz did well in that game. This time he’s after Amir. On top of that we have another Chodri saab, Misbah, who is hell bent on playing T20 league players in all formats and gives zero bits about domestic performers. This is the same Misbah who was against playing Shaheen in the last WC, where Shaheen proved him wrong and took 5 wickets in a game. Since the departure of Najam Sehti, PCB is going down the hill and it will not stop anytime soon.
    This deserves to be POTW. You have summarized Waqar-Misbah's misgivings aptly.

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    Looks like Hafeez , Azhar et al were right all along to oppose his reintroduction to the team in 2015. All about the money. If he had any shame after what he did and the efforts the PCB went to to bring him back he should have quietly got on with his cricket.

    Good riddance and letís look forward.

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    Pakistan should never appoint desi coaches. Most of the time they are the ones who bring and promote this senior junior culture in the dressing room. Pakistan was much better when they had foreign coaches. If language is a problem then PCB should hire a translator for these players. Foreign coach is a must for Pakistan team. And by the way how many times Waqar is going to become a coach? He comes back after every 2 years lol. He should work with bowlers at the grass root level and join NCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Watch the video, he isnt taunting Rauf. I can see why it looks like a taunt if read.
    Just watched the video, I missed it as I guess it was added afterwards. I am not sure if this is the right way to raise up his voice, surely as a senior player he could have shared his reservations to someone in charge and discussed his issues with him.

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    Wonder how Mohammad Wasim, Amir's mentor/local coach, will manage this situation. I am sure he will at the least speak to him or advise him to shut up for a few months.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pakistan should never appoint desi coaches. Most of the time they are the ones who bring and promote this senior junior culture in the dressing room. Pakistan was much better when they had foreign coaches. If language is a problem then PCB should hire a translator for these players. Foreign coach is a must for Pakistan team. And by the way how many times Waqar is going to become a coach? He comes back after every 2 years lol. He should work with bowlers at the grass root level and join NCA.
    Not to forget that Misbah and Waqar never coached even much at domestic level if any before becoming national coaches. Appointment of just names have been an issue in sub continent which needs to be finished.
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    what a loser Amir, i always supported him bit this is going out of hand. He needs to shutup and play leagues, and I am sure he will come back and play the next WC.
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    It's been like this since tauqir zia were in charge of the board and started to reinvent pakistani cricket since 2003
    The death of woolmer and the spot fixing tragedy as well as the influx of foriegn coaches who weren't as outgoing as woolmer has helped build the regime into the fitness crazy, yes man, coach dominant board you see today
    Also Misbah ul haq and azhar ali have also been yes men for the board and helped Foster the current environment

    Amir has quit at the worst possible time
    He's just been to two t20 finals
    Pakistan are about to tour new zealand and South Africa in tests and he will definitely be clamored for afterwards
    On top of that babar azam is potentially the only captain with his own personality we've had since shahid afridi and I'm sure he would have helped fight amir's corner
    Ultimately if amir's mind is not in the right place we should leave it there
    Not many people on this board or in pakistani cricket have been to jail or banned from cricket and therefore can't be expected to show the sympathy required which the likes of Michael atherton and Michael holding have shown to amir. Ultimately If his mental health has extolled its last adventures we should let him walk away with his faculties still in tact

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    Amir seems very jazbati He shoudnt be blowing up like this

    I dont agree with his test retirement and never will He says its not right to bring up 2010 Bhai why not? You cant just use the pakistan cricket to come back into cricket build a brand then jump ship from tests saying thankyou im off now

    He has a point tho about the media taunts waqar and co have been constantly making

    Bhai if you dont need or want to teach him a lesson just dont select him They should be professional in their approach n not singling out players n having a pop in the media constantly

    And im afraid waqar does have a track record of this with players n falling out with them

    This is what happens when both sides dont sit down n talk If they didnt approach amir he shouldve approached them

    Mistrust n misjudgements all round all due to a lack of communication n egos which should never have happened

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    Some valid points but also some points where he is over-reacting.

    This boils down to a lot of poor communication and mistrust which could and should have been handled a lot better.
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    Misbah and Waqar have managed this badly.

    It's true that they tried to use Amir as a scapegoat after the humiliation we suffered in Australia.

    That was not fair. We got humiliated in Australia because Misbah made terrible selections and Waqar failed with his bowlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Some valid points but also some points where he is over-reacting.

    This boils down to a lot of poor communication and mistrust which could and should have been handled a lot better.
    Wahab is and was in the same boat. He didn't throw his toys out of the pram. He worked hard and got back into the team whereas Amir has tried to use the media for sympathy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Wahab is and was in the same boat. He didn't throw his toys out of the pram. He worked hard and got back into the team whereas Amir has tried to use the media for sympathy
    There are some posters and players who are happy to get violated in life but Amir isn’t one of them, he wasn’t going to just sit and let inbreds make stupid comments about him constantly, Wahab was treated like royalty in comparison despite his desire to focus on limited overs to. Which pro / employer with a brain and intellect make retarrded comments constantly, you must be daft to overlook that, even worse when you find those people are not qualified / proven failures. It’s a bad reflection on the culture when the foreigner handled things better.
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    Glad someone has the courage to speak out about the mess created by Misbah,

    How can someone perform under such a ridiculous management .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    There are some posters and players who are happy to get violated in life but Amir isn’t one of them, he wasn’t going to just sit and let inbreds make stupid comments about him constantly, Wahab was treated like royalty in comparison despite his desire to focus on limited overs to. Which pro / employer with a brain and intellect make retarrded comments constantly, you must be daft to overlook that, even worse when you find those people are not qualified / proven failures. It’s a bad reflection on the culture when the foreigner handled things better.
    I believe it was Amir who started it recently by making comments that players are scared to talk to the team management, and then complained about workload. Waqar was asked a question about Amir complaining about workload and he responded that how can workload be an issue when Amir is happily playing T-20 leagues worldwide.

    Wahab was also criticized by the team management, like Amir, Wahab was also in and out of the team in the last 3 years, lets not forget the comments Mickey Arthur made against Wahab but Wahab in comparison did not throw his toys out of the pram and retire emotionally, he put his head down, played whatever cricket he could get and then got recalled.

    Wahab is a man in comparison to pampered child Amir

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    I thought he was bang on in this video.

    Most of his points are valid about NOCs, workload, and playing in leagues to earn back his spot. Pakistani management has already shown performing in leagues matters to them and they do weigh those performances heavily.

    If it was all about money, he would have retired from all formats years ago. The man doesn't need international cricket to build his brand as he's already well-known around the cricketing world. That usually applies to younger players.

    In this case, Misbah and Waqar have simply let out their personal hatred for him (likely due to 2010) through a constant barrage of statements about his workload. A lot of fans do this too. The idea of ' he should bowl with his head down until he dies on the pitch' as some sort of medieval punishment has been obvious since he came back.

    The same issue could have been handled nicely but they purposely let out media statements to make him look bad. Just to sneak in and justify selecting Musa.

    At this point, Amir needs to keep working on his performances. That's what allowed management to pile on him. Things move quickly in Pakistani cricket and a lost series or two can lead to changes across the board.

    I don't think that's true. Being part of your current international side adds a lot to your brand value, just have to look at de Villiers to see that. I actually think that is Amir's biggest issue with being dropped by Pakistan, it diminishes his stature and brand value around the world. If he was really that keen to play for Pakistan he would fight tooth and nail to stay in contention rather than retire.


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    Both parties are at fault here. Amir is coming off as pretty petulant and childish because he was dropped. This happens to a lot of good players around the world. Overreacting this much about is childish.

    Management is pretty terrible too which is not surprising considering its the PCB. I don't know how many years and years of stupid management and the nonsense drama always surrounding Pakistan cricket and yet we still cannot find a way to have competent management and leadership.

    The hiring of full players to work in coaching/selection position needs to completely stop. They have made for terrible coaches and terrible selectors and don't have an eye for talent on either. They are personally biased towards certain players and can't even act in a professional manner. It's always some sort of slander or an attack on some player they don't like and in general, there is always a rift between players & management.

    Now this isn't to say everyone should get along with their bosses. I think pretty much everyone hates/dislikes their boss at work but you always keep it professional in both ways. Unfortunately, that never seems to happen for Pakistan cricket.

    Go hire a smart, bright minded young coach who is relatable to the players and communicates well. Preferably a foreign coach since that person will actually be without bias and more likely to be professional than some old bitter former player.

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    Amir has failed to keep fit since his return but he is in the right here.

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    He will be back, they always retire to get media attention


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    If we can get rid of both Waqar and Misbah due to this it will be good or at least from Waqar.

    Waqar should never be at any post in Pakistan cricket, really hate this guy. He is a big trouble maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    If we can get rid of both Waqar and Misbah due to this it will be good or at least from Waqar.
    Waqar should never be at any post in Pakistan cricket, really hate this guy. He is a big trouble maker.
    I have no sympathy for either Amir or Waqar/Misbah but sometimes i wonder howcome Misbah has become so strong in PCB? I mean he was overlooked by PCB most of his 20s. He was Fawad Alam of previous generation. If he was so well connected why didn't he played earlier? Right now, one of greatest fast bowler of all time is working under him as a bowling coach. Younus also taking orders from him as a batting coach. Misbah is a very calculated guy for sure. Never express his opinions publicly like Amir/Yousuf etc but kills his opponents by backdoor politics.

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    Hopefully, he wont come back.

    IM glad he is gone, no more corrupt faces in our national team.

    This is btw attention seeking. If you are not getting selected, you can still quietly play in leagues. What he is doing is, just shouting around and asking for attention.

    After australia, he went to England. He thinks he is entitled just cause of seniority. Amir talks about yes boss attitude, he is always shouting at his juniors and expects them to be his yess boss. So enough dramaybazi by this guy.

    Anyways, his loss at the end, and i am happy about that.

    Misbah is still the coach, he aint going no where for now. Amir will keep on effecitng his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I believe it was Amir who started it recently by making comments that players are scared to talk to the team management, and then complained about workload. Waqar was asked a question about Amir complaining about workload and he responded that how can workload be an issue when Amir is happily playing T-20 leagues worldwide.

    Wahab was also criticized by the team management, like Amir, Wahab was also in and out of the team in the last 3 years, lets not forget the comments Mickey Arthur made against Wahab but Wahab in comparison did not throw his toys out of the pram and retire emotionally, he put his head down, played whatever cricket he could get and then got recalled.

    Wahab is a man in comparison to pampered child Amir
    Playing T20 is different from the rigours of Test cricket, making comments on workload is nothing new, Waqar being a village idiot and as thick as a fiddle took his stick out and started waving it as though he is about to sort some turf wars out in a medieval village when he is supposed to be a pro / coach and the same for Misbah, these issues were handled much better by Mickey and Inzi clearly. Donít get me wrong Waqae must be a nice bloke but he is just a bit thick and has some special needs. Quiet simply the current management does not allow players to express themselves and show some personality which can compliment their performances, in that part of the world however I understand there is a employer / slave mentality so not surprised by certain views and how management deal with things.

    Yes Wahab the put your head down, work hard, listen to management like a good little boy and then get his behind spanked from genesis to revelations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric_lover4487 View Post
    I have no sympathy for either Amir or Waqar/Misbah but sometimes i wonder howcome Misbah has become so strong in PCB? I mean he was overlooked by PCB most of his 20s. He was Fawad Alam of previous generation. If he was so well connected why didn't he played earlier? Right now, one of greatest fast bowler of all time is working under him as a bowling coach. Younus also taking orders from him as a batting coach. Misbah is a very calculated guy for sure. Never express his opinions publicly like Amir/Yousuf etc but kills his opponents by backdoor politics.
    He's learnt how the system works and also how to manipulate it. Perhaps learnt it directly from the coach Waqar.

    When he was captain, he would very steadfastly select all the players with strong connections (to appease certain quarters) and drop merit-based selections. The list is countless.

    He kept on selecting a below-par Adnan Akmal in tests when Zulqarnain had done so well in few tests he played, while Sarfraz and later Rizwan were high scorers in domestics season after season. Sarfraz' peak was between 2010-2015, but only made into team in 2014 due to Moin Khan's (selector then) insistence, and had a stellar year or two. He never allowed Fawad in any format (he was piling runs across formats in domestics) to play, instead give countless opportunities to players with better connections (Umer Amin, Malik, Farhat, Shafiq, etc).

    Fawad made into ODI team again due to Moin, averaged 69 SR 83 in 2014 (highest run scorer for Pakistan that year), but was dropped again to accommodate Umar Amin, Shafiq and Younus. Before 2015 WC even Dravid said on cricinfo it was strange Fawad is not in the WC squad. Sadaf Hussain lost his best years but was never played. Malik, Kamran Akmal made countless comebacks under Misbah and/or Waqar.

    M Yousuf was sent home from South Africa tour in December 2010 due to "injury" before first test began, again Waqar coach and Misbah captain, when Yousuf himself said publicly (rightfully furiously) he had slight niggle and injury was not serious to be sent back. Yousuf in fact played domestic OD cup once back and scored a few fifties to show form/fitness. Yousuf was ignored for the WC too, in favour of newcomer Shafiq and test player Younis. 2011 was prolific year for Yousuf in County, scored one of the best centuries in trying conditions that season, applauded by Ian Bell, etc (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...73#post3795273), but he was not considered ever again, when any sane captain would fight all quarters to bring a player of his class to the struggling test side.

    So many other names we all know. Zafar Gohar, Hammad Azam, Sharjeel, Sami Aslam all were dropped prematurely by Misbah after only a few games.

    He, alongside Waqar, has befriended quite a few people in many important quarters through sheer selections. Plus his and Waqar's personality are such that they don't talk too much, don't bother PCB with politics going around/anything else (Whatmore used to be furious with selectors/PCB at times), which help their cause in getting good gigs. They are big enough names to be frequently pushed in important positions like coach/selector/captain for those with certain agendas within PCB and these two chaps reciprocate by pleasing such people with some selections of their liking.

    As far as his selection in 20s (he started domestics at ~ 26 so its actually late 20s and early 30s) is concerned, Pakistan had middle order of Inzi, Yousuf, Younis through much of 2002-07, and Whoolmer preferred only allrounders to fill other positions (Afridi, Razzaq, Malik were mainstays at 6, 7, 8). Far from Fawad Alam of his time. Fawad has been denied opportunities for over a decade despite being best batsman ever in domestics at a time when our test team was in total shambles (and one-day team as well b/w 2010-16, where only Misbah could occupy the crease).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    "Some ex cricketers on TV even taunt me about 2010 - let me say that type of guts I showed are not common amongst people; If I made a mistake, then I also accepted my guilt and apologized; They say I feel like I have done a favour to Pakistan but that is not the case"


    Wow this guy thinks he did an ehsaan on us by admitting.

    And he lied. He said no ball ke itni baree saza. He only admitted after he knew he couldnt get away with it.

    I dont agree with what he did, he got CAUGHT and paid his penalty for it, some ex-pakistani cricketers took bribes never got caught and are living a life of luxury. He has done his time, now LETS MOVE ON

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    Amir is on to something here. Yes, he is childish and all that - but behind the scenes he is exposing the nature of how things run with Misbah and Waqar at the helm.

    Kudos to him for speaking out. Doesn't matter whether he is a cry baby or not, what matters is that the management held a 'grudge' against him for a decision he made. Typical dehaati mentality on display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    He's learnt how the system works and also how to manipulate it. Perhaps learnt it directly from the coach Waqar.
    I wanted to clarify, i respect Waqar. I was a huge fan. I used to support Pakistan if India is not playing. He is a legend of the game but as a coach he comes across as a typical desi narcissist uncle who thinks he is always right and impose his beliefs on everyone around him. He expects complete obedience and cannot stand anyone with a bit of flair/personality and a mind of his own. He always had trouble with anyone who is more popular than him. That's why he was a poor captain. He is also known to hold grudges. Wasim benched him in 1999WC and played Shoaib. Waqar later benched Shoaib in mohali 2011WC.

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    Amir is right about one point, this 'yes sir/boss' culture has to stop.

    When England were in the pits, the ECB conducted a review and realised the issue was with management and the sense of seniority. Players couldn't challenge, contribute ideas, or develop because of the yes sir/boss culture. Instead players were told what to do, such as changing technique, and most of them failed. (Think Nasir Hussain era).

    ECB management culture changed. A head coach doesn't coach anymore, his job is to manage the team and ensure moral and mindset are not affected. A bowling/batting coach doesn't expect players to change technique but to improve on them. Teams now have open discussions on what works and what doesn't work. The results speak for themselves - England is now a solid team.

    The same approach was instilled in the aviation industry, where years before crashes were the result of a Captain's say and co-pilots dare not challenge them. This has changed and as a result this has saved lives.

    Management (and leadership) is everything when you want to bring out the best in your team.

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    I'm not his biggest fan...but i think he can still offer in odis and T20s...so he doesnt want to play tests and...?

    Misbah and Waqar will not be doing any favours to Pak Cricket or their team by leaving out a player on a personal grudge.

    As for Amir, playing to the gallery no doubt, you wanna retire, do it, keep quiet and move on.

    You could have saved your comments for "Amir: The Return That Never Was" to be published in 2027.

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    Bit harsh of me to say this, but once again, this guy is expecting 5 star hotel treatment after selling the country out. I donít care that itís in the past, he should thank Allah for each and every game he played on the international level after he was caught fixing.

    If he was Indian, English, Australian, Kiwi or South African, once he did those no balls, that would be the end of his career, guaranteed. And itís not only because they wouldíve found a better bowler anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    In an employer employee relationship, if the employer is paying the employee his wages in exchange for services then yes the employee has to follow the terms, conditions set out by the employer otherwise they are both free to part ways as has happened in this case
    Theoretically correct but there is a KEY component that is missing from this ideology, and rightly so because many of us desis inherently lack the concept of it, and that is, "man management skill".

    Great mangers are always expert in man management, which is THE KEY to a successful leadership role. If you can't manage people, you cannot be a successful leader. Simple as that.

    Many desis when put in management roles, act as some sorta self-entitled dictating buffoon. He want the entire team reporting to him become the slaves of his wishes.

    While great managers know how to deal with different characters in their teams, and they are able to get the best out of the worst team members.

    These Misbay Shisbay and Waqar Shaqaars are far from being good at man management, let alone being placed on these powerful positions.

    And definitely, it's one side of the coin. Amir is also not very articulate with the choice of words and his approach towards handling the situation. Which is not surprising knowing his educational background and cultural upbringing in a sentimental social atmosphere.

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    He's getting exactly what he wants lol, a bit of YouTube views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Amir is right about one point, this 'yes sir/boss' culture has to stop.

    When England were in the pits, the ECB conducted a review and realised the issue was with management and the sense of seniority. Players couldn't challenge, contribute ideas, or develop because of the yes sir/boss culture. Instead players were told what to do, such as changing technique, and most of them failed. (Think Nasir Hussain era).

    ECB management culture changed. A head coach doesn't coach anymore, his job is to manage the team and ensure moral and mindset are not affected. A bowling/batting coach doesn't expect players to change technique but to improve on them. Teams now have open discussions on what works and what doesn't work. The results speak for themselves - England is now a solid team.

    The same approach was instilled in the aviation industry, where years before crashes were the result of a Captain's say and co-pilots dare not challenge them. This has changed and as a result this has saved lives.

    Management (and leadership) is everything when you want to bring out the best in your team.
    They also got rid of their problem child Kevin Pietersen, who was similarly playing to the gallery like Mohammad Amir on wanting to get selected to the team but Andrew Strauss took no prisoners.

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    Neither party covering themselves in glory. Having said that Amir has been a questionable bloke since the beginning and slowly beginning to show more of himself. Maybe there is a way back if enough adults get on board but a disappointing show all around.

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    Glad the PCB and team management has told Amir to get lost and the idiot has obliged them

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    Even if pakistan looses the next three t20s series he stil should not make a come back.

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    Seems happy with his life



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    What does Amir want to achieve by doing this all? Heís surrounded with wrong company, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Seems happy with his life

    Ofcourse it's perfect. No hard work. Just bowl couple of overs in these sub-standard leagues. And blame everyone apart from himself

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    Well I've heard that Amir phoned Waqar Younis up before the LPL and told him everything is fine and that he was going to play in the LPL, regain some form and confidence and wanted to make a comeback to the Pakistan squad.

    So, something has happened when he was in Sri Lanka..........



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    So, something has happened when he was in Sri Lanka..........
    All this news began halfway through the tournament, with Galle on a losing streak and Amir’s form off a cliff.

    Enter the media, the number one way of generating win-win scenarios for players and journalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Well I've heard that Amir phoned Waqar Younis up before the LPL and told him everything is fine and that he was going to play in the LPL, regain some form and confidence and wanted to make a comeback to the Pakistan squad.

    So, something has happened when he was in Sri Lanka..........
    Didnít Waqar make a few comments about Amir during the LPL itself ? maybe that drove Amir to the edge with the treatment from management in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    I thought he was bang on in this video.

    Most of his points are valid about NOCs, workload, and playing in leagues to earn back his spot. Pakistani management has already shown performing in leagues matters to them and they do weigh those performances heavily.

    If it was all about money, he would have retired from all formats years ago. The man doesn't need international cricket to build his brand as he's already well-known around the cricketing world. That usually applies to younger players.

    In this case, Misbah and Waqar have simply let out their personal hatred for him (likely due to 2010) through a constant barrage of statements about his workload. A lot of fans do this too. The idea of ' he should bowl with his head down until he dies on the pitch' as some sort of medieval punishment has been obvious since he came back.

    The same issue could have been handled nicely but they purposely let out media statements to make him look bad. Just to sneak in and justify selecting Musa.

    At this point, Amir needs to keep working on his performances. That's what allowed management to pile on him. Things move quickly in Pakistani cricket and a lost series or two can lead to changes across the board.
    I agree with that, but Amir also needs to realize that he hasn't been performing well in recent times to merit a spot on the team.

    This injustice is not just towards him, there are plenty of other players who deserved a chance on this tour and were denied.

    What the management thinks at this point in time is that there is no need for a white-ball specialist in Mohammad Amir, because they have fast-tracked a few players to take the white-ball formats. They would have preferred him being available for test matches.

    It's not too difficult to bridge the gap between the management and Amir, and there's a very clear solution which one can reach which is to employ Amir in the white-ball team and instead of getting him to bowl long overs, just work on his batting a little so that he can contribute a few runs down the order.

    He will not return to test matches, but before all of that, Amir needs to give a mouth-shutting reply to the management through performances. Haris Rauf was fast-tracked for two reasons: he went and performed in a very high-quality league in foreign conditions, and because he has potential. Amir hasn't performed exceptionally in the National T20 Cup nor the Lankan Premier League. As far as potential is concerned, he doesn't do justice to his talent with the fact that his pace has gone acres down despite only playing white ball formats.

    That's on him to fix, but the management needs to be more open-minded and understand why he made the decision he made. He is a world-class bowler who has been in poor form, but that is no reason to abandon him.

    I would not mind having Amir on the team, but I don't like his string of performances and him claiming to merit a spot on the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Well I've heard that Amir phoned Waqar Younis up before the LPL and told him everything is fine and that he was going to play in the LPL, regain some form and confidence and wanted to make a comeback to the Pakistan squad.

    So, something has happened when he was in Sri Lanka..........
    If that's the case, then there are essentially two things that could have triggered a sudden change in mindset by the current management.

    The first thing is that he didn't perform well during the LPL and was making a few comments on Twitter about his selection in the team and squad etc, which probably agitated the management who replied with the fact that he is playing in sub-standard leagues instead of playing for Pakistan.

    The second thing is if the management has made these statements to keep him away from the tour due to whatever reason, either personal or another reason we have yet to understand. If it is personal, Amir doesn't really have to wait for that long because if he can prove himself to Mohammad Wasim, then his spot in the team would be unchallenged. I find it confusing why he retired before Mohammad Wasim began his tenure, as Wasim has made a lot of comments that he looks at skill, technique, and temperament when selecting players, and all Amir had to do was perform in front of Wasim.

    Anyways, what I think is that Amir will come out of retirement in about 6 months. With these videos he's uploading, I can only guess what he will be doing during that time, which is conditioning himself and working on a few other skills, something he should have done a while ago.

    We in Pakistan have a very "I'll show you" attitude, so I wouldn't be surprised if he goes into full training mode and then slaps the management across the face through PSL performances.

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    Apparently Amir's biggest problem and some coaches who have worked with him is that he does what he feels like and thinks he knows it all. Shoaib has even advised him a strength, workout program in the gym to make his body and muscles stronger which he feels will help him regain some of his lost pace but Amir has a very negative attitude towards gym work and is like i am a fast bowler, not a wrestler. Well then Mr Amir how come your pace has declined from 145 km/hr to 130 km/hr in 5 years when you are just 28 years old right now?

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    Former Pakistan captain and chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq feels that the controversy surrounding fast bowler Mohammad Amir's retirement will harm the country's cricket.

    Amir recently retired from international cricket due to his differences with team management comprising chief coach Misbah ul Haq and bowling coach Waqar Younis.

    "It is not about what impact Amir’s decision will have on our bowling resources or strength because life moves on. But what bothers me more is the negative impact such incidents have on our cricket and its image," Inzamam told the media in Lahore on Thursday.

    The batting great felt the Amir incident didn't reflect well on Pakistan cricket.

    "It is better if such situations don't take place. If he is unhappy with one or two persons in the team management he should have first spoken openly with the head coach, Misbah-ul-Haq and if required even the Pakistan Cricket Board officials before deciding on what to do." Inzamam agreed he has had issues with Waqar and it needs to be sorted.

    "He appears to have issues with Waqar (Younis bowling coach) and if his grievances were not listened to then he should have adopted this route."

    https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le33415854.ece


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    Mohammad Amir replying to a comment by Mohammad Hafeez in a TV interview where he indicated that it was Amir's decision to not play for Pakistan and he should be allowed to do as he pleases and PCB should move on.

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    Weird this.

    Is it an excuse to just make money from T20 leagues and not have to play for Pakistan or a genuine grievance against the team management.




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