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    Micheal bevan?

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    What do you guys think of Stephen Fleming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    What do you guys think of Stephen Fleming?
    He is never going to coach Pakistan. At least come up with realistic names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He is never going to coach Pakistan. At least come up with realistic names.
    Why

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Why
    Because he is the CSK coach which he won’t leave for the Pakistan job, he has already talked about planning for the next season. Also when Shastri goes, if BCCI want a foreign coach he will definitely be in contention. You need to understand the top coaches in world cricket will either wait for a job coaching the big 3 if they are going to coach at international level. Pakistan coach is not as well paid as them jobs, also some foreign coaches may not want to spend weeks and weeks in Pakistan, also won’t want to deal with the politics of Pakistan cricket.
    Last edited by The Viper; 8th January 2021 at 06:25.

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    PCB himself saying Andy Flower isn't available this year.


    And a report says they have asked some people to suggest good foreign coches.


    If @Saj can send our suggestions to wasim khan ?

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    Tier 1:
    Andy Flower
    Gary Kirsten
    Trevor Bayliss
    Mike Hesson
    Stephen Fleming
    Paddy Upton

    Tier 2:
    Simon Katich
    Mahela Jayawardene
    Darren Lehmann
    Duncan Fletcher
    Jason Gillespie
    Paul Nixon
    Tom Moody

    Should not hire:
    Steve Rhodes
    Peter Moores
    John Wright
    Ray Jennings

    If Andy Flower and Gary Kirsten aren’t available, the likes of Bayliss, Hesson, Fleming, and Upton would be fantastic.

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    Why do we need a mentor? Playing for Pakistan should be motivation in itself and coaches can mentor if need be.

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    Moin Khan with that surprising 57% winning record. I wonder if the PCB could rope him in to coach one of the Association sides for domestic and maybe groom him. Maybe with a strong supporting cast he could make a good HC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Why
    Because it is easier to coach IPL for 2 months, get a big check and then go home and enjoy family time. In international cricket he'd be on the move most of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Tier 1:
    Andy Flower
    Gary Kirsten
    Trevor Bayliss
    Mike Hesson
    Stephen Fleming
    Paddy Upton

    Tier 2:
    Simon Katich
    Mahela Jayawardene
    Darren Lehmann
    Duncan Fletcher
    Jason Gillespie
    Paul Nixon
    Tom Moody

    Should not hire:
    Steve Rhodes
    Peter Moores
    John Wright
    Ray Jennings

    If Andy Flower and Gary Kirsten aren’t available, the likes of Bayliss, Hesson, Fleming, and Upton would be fantastic.

    Stephen Fleming is not leaving his job at CSK to coach Pakistan. If he is going to coach internationally it will be India who he coaches.

    Also you should rule out most Australian coaches as we know how they feel about touring Pakistan so imagine how they would feel having to spend large amounts of time there.

    Also people like Mike Henson,Simon Katich, and Jaywardna aren’t leaving IPL jobs to coach Pakistan.

    Most of those names aren’t realistic.


    Pakistan fans need to temper their expectations when it comes to a replacement for Misbah. The elite coaches will either be waiting for a job at one of the big 3 or happy to coach in franchise cricket throughout the year.

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    What’s Jayawardene’s record as coach? Is he coaching some team?

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    Would love to see Baz McCullum go for the role but I'm not holding my breath, especially with him having the KKR role. A Jason Gillespie or a Simon Katich would not be a bad shout, but they'll need to see that $$$ to agree to come.

    I also think the PCB will scout both Botha and Gibbs in the PSL to see how well they do. Part of the gig is to have the coach willing to live in Pakistan for periods and atleast these guys fullfill that criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Stephen Fleming is not leaving his job at CSK to coach Pakistan. If he is going to coach internationally it will be India who he coaches.

    Also you should rule out most Australian coaches as we know how they feel about touring Pakistan so imagine how they would feel having to spend large amounts of time there.

    Also people like Mike Henson,Simon Katich, and Jaywardna aren’t leaving IPL jobs to coach Pakistan.

    Most of those names aren’t realistic.


    Pakistan fans need to temper their expectations when it comes to a replacement for Misbah. The elite coaches will either be waiting for a job at one of the big 3 or happy to coach in franchise cricket throughout the year.
    Just listing them in terms of people to reach out to. You never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Just listing them in terms of people to reach out to. You never know.
    Fair enough. But I don’t see most of them joining. Also bare in mind most of them have families and now with covid around, tours will be longer due to quarantine and stuff. So don’t see many top coaches attracted by factors I mentioned before and this covid issue.

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    Jason Gillespie would be best he was coach of Sussex in County as well as in Big bash so he has experience and hasn't coached international team if they rope him in he would come easily i recon and i think we need Australian coach because of their aggression and being in that winning environment and none except Australia has that big tournament winning habbit, even in future if we look for foreign coach Australia should be first preference.
    Last edited by b.lesner; 17th January 2021 at 04:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Fair enough. But I don’t see most of them joining. Also bare in mind most of them have families and now with covid around, tours will be longer due to quarantine and stuff. So don’t see many top coaches attracted by factors I mentioned before and this covid issue.
    You’re right, definitely, but sometimes some of these people are looking for more meaningful work. They know they aren’t really achieving anything in these leagues. Most are content with that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if 1-2 are itching to cement their names as international level coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4all View Post
    What’s Jayawardene’s record as coach? Is he coaching some team?
    Yes, 5 time IPL champions

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    Dravid batting coach
    McGrath bowling coach
    Gary Kirsten head coach
    Jonty Rhodes fielding coach

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    I think you need a good PE teacher from an English private school at the academy - to teach our gulli danda generation on the basics of batting , starting from how to hold a bat, footwork , different strokes that a batsman can play off front and back foot, including the forward defensive etc.
    Might as well as do that at the academy and make them practice and practice until they are good enough technically for the PE teacher to say they could walk into his English school XI.

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    I hope we get a good man manager type coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Tier 1:
    Andy Flower
    Gary Kirsten
    Trevor Bayliss
    Mike Hesson
    Stephen Fleming
    Paddy Upton

    Tier 2:
    Simon Katich
    Mahela Jayawardene
    Darren Lehmann
    Duncan Fletcher
    Jason Gillespie
    Paul Nixon
    Tom Moody

    Should not hire:
    Steve Rhodes
    Peter Moores
    John Wright
    Ray Jennings

    If Andy Flower and Gary Kirsten aren’t available, the likes of Bayliss, Hesson, Fleming, and Upton would be fantastic.
    Whats the issue with John Wright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Whats the issue with John Wright?
    I feel he was pretty ineffective in his NZ stint and even Mumbai sidelined him (despite winning them the title) for Ponting and then Mahela. Worth a look in if everyone else says no, I suppose. He’s also 66 and not sure how much he knows about modern day cricket or has the energy to infuse into our team, or the patience to deal with 20 people who can barely speak English.

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    Why doesn't the PCB experiment with no coaches? Is it really worth hiring an inexperienced, incompetent coach if the elite names are not available?

    I would rather that the players take responsibility themselves on and off the field. In fact this might make them think freely and actually think for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverSir View Post
    Because it is easier to coach IPL for 2 months, get a big check and then go home and enjoy family time. In international cricket he'd be on the move most of the year.
    But doesn't want to coach an international team Pakistan gives most money to foreign coaches after India, england and Australia even more than New Zealand and South Africa.

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    Why do you need a foreign coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ufcfan View Post
    Why do you need a foreign coach?
    Because Pakistan coaches give chances in playing 11 on basis of likes and dislikes and try to be boss of players rather than a brother who is there to help. Pakistan players never take their kit off they think can't take out performance from players because they pressurize them.

    If you can calculate Pak coaches vs foreign coaches success rate it be 20%:70%

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Because Pakistan coaches give chances in playing 11 on basis of likes and dislikes and try to be boss of players rather than a brother who is there to help. Pakistan players never take their kit off they think can't take out performance from players because they pressurize them.

    If you can calculate Pak coaches vs foreign coaches success rate it be 20%:70%
    Aslong as the foreign coach knows domestic players and knowledge then yes if not then no

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    You can appoint anyone you want, wouldn't make a difference. We are filled with Mediocre players, noone can fix this in a yr or 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    You can appoint anyone you want, wouldn't make a difference. We are filled with Mediocre players, noone can fix this in a yr or 2
    Make Misbah England coach their whole attacking cricket theory collapses.

    Tell me 1 thing when there is foreign coach why Pakistan wins more and new players also develop and that doesn't happen with Pakistan coaches if you have answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    But doesn't want to coach an international team Pakistan gives most money to foreign coaches after India, england and Australia even more than New Zealand and South Africa.
    Some people are just happy in their lives and don't want additional complications.

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    Pakistan will benifit a lot from an Indian coach like Amre or Mazumdar .

    Evidence of foreign coaches helping desi teams is thin at best . Kirsten etc were good man managers but currently pakistan should look at a professional from the subcontinent . Murali/ case as bowling coach and and indian batting coach with a foreign fielding consultant will help u guys a lot .

    Feel subcontinent has enough talent now - pakistan should also consider utilizing yousuf and yonis khan as they were master technicians

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    While we’re at it let’s also throw in Sachin Tendulkar.

    Hilarious that none of the coaches mentioned have expressed any interest in the Pakistan job...yet our fans love threads like this for some reason.

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    If Misbah resigns, who would Pakistan turn to?

    Foreign coach - local coach - foreign coach - local coach - repeat.

    Shoaib Malik's venomous attack on Misbah begs the question, if Misbah was to resign (or be forced to vacate) who could Pakistan turn to?

    I don't see many options internationally (barring Andy Flower) or on the local stage at the moment (barring maybe Mohammad Yousuf or Abdul Rehman?

    Just curious what PP's general preference would be - who can come in and define roles for players and give them some clarity..


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    It can’t be a local coach. If Pakistan wants to progress in cricket they need to go after Tom Moody.

    Get rid of Waqar, bring in Ian Pont.

    Misbah has to go, he’s lost the dressing room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    It can’t be a local coach. If Pakistan wants to progress in cricket they need to go after Tom Moody.

    Get rid of Waqar, bring in Ian Pont.

    Misbah has to go, he’s lost the dressing room.
    I agree completely .

    Pont is much better than Waqar , even Shane Bond or Allan Donald.

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    Mickey Arthur can do do worse than Misbah

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    It can’t be a local coach. If Pakistan wants to progress in cricket they need to go after Tom Moody.

    Get rid of Waqar, bring in Ian Pont.

    Misbah has to go, he’s lost the dressing room.
    Tom Moody has a job as SRH director of cricket and is involved with Sri Lankan cricket, he is unattainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    It can’t be a local coach. If Pakistan wants to progress in cricket they need to go after Tom Moody.

    Get rid of Waqar, bring in Ian Pont.

    Misbah has to go, he’s lost the dressing room.
    Which dressing room has he lost? It's only players that are not in the dressing room that have been critics. It's an age old Pakistani cricketers mentality, that when they're not selected they go cry to the world and blame management instead of improving themselves. Nothing new to see and it won't change irrespective of the coach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Tom Moody has a job as SRH director of cricket and is involved with Sri Lankan cricket, he is unattainable.
    Andy Flower - Mushtaq Ahmed - Azhar Mahmood combo is the only option.


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canistani Hero View Post
    Andy Flower - Mushtaq Ahmed - Azhar Mahmood combo is the only option.
    Andy Flower said a few months ago, he will be coaching in franchise cricket for another year and will see what his options are after that.He was asked in the interview would he want to coach India and he didn’t rule it out. So I think his eyes would be more on Indian job if he was to get back into coaching at international level.
    Last edited by Hasan123; 24th April 2021 at 01:20.

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    Andy Flower, he won't tolerate any nonsense from anybody. If you watched The Edge documentary - the English players still have PTSD from his time as coach.

    He may have to adopt a softer man management approach, but unlike the incumbents he puts a premium on rigorous preparation and analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Andy Flower, he won't tolerate any nonsense from anybody. If you watched The Edge documentary - the English players still have PTSD from his time as coach.

    He may have to adopt a softer man management approach, but unlike the incumbents he puts a premium on rigorous preparation and analysis.
    This is all well and fine but the majority of our players are semi-literate and have very poor English comprehension skills. You can bring Andy in but most of them will have no idea what he’s saying especially if he tries explaining analytics, match strategy etc.

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    If we were smart, we'd have Ian Pont as our bowling coach from day dot.

    He's the only guy who relies on science to improve fast bowlers. I fail to see how we chose a tried and tested Waqar Younis over Ian Pont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baigel View Post
    If we were smart, we'd have Ian Pont as our bowling coach from day dot.

    He's the only guy who relies on science to improve fast bowlers. I fail to see how we chose a tried and tested Waqar Younis over Ian Pont.
    Waqar was poor as captain , now it shows as a coach , he is not good enough to be a bowling coach of a school.

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    Would happily take Mickey back considering the lack of options.

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    Anil Kumble or Dav Whatmore will do very well with the temperament of Babar Azam..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical man View Post
    Anil Kumble or Dav Whatmore will do very well with the temperament of Babar Azam..
    Shane Bond bowling coach and Simon katich head coach

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical man View Post
    Anil Kumble or Dav Whatmore will do very well with the temperament of Babar Azam..
    NO

    Kumble being Indian , would never be approached by Pakistan.

    Whatmore was a good coach but now he is too outdated, you need someone younger more in sync with modern-day cricket.

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    Call me crazy but I want Mickey back. I've never gotten over his loss. He had so much more to offer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    NO

    Kumble being Indian , would never be approached by Pakistan.

    Whatmore was a good coach but now he is too outdated, you need someone younger more in sync with modern-day cricket.
    That is pakistans problem to address but kumble would reverse the fortunes of the entire team under his guidance and experience.

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    Should Pakistan try Phil Simmons as the coach?

    He coached Ireland from 2007-2015 where they had a very decent run and they defeated teams England, Pakistan and West Indies. He is doing a very good job with WI too given the circumstances. Surely Pakistan should try to hire him?

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    Anyone but Misbah.

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    Anyone from English County or experienced with any reputed team.. But no Misbah...!!

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    Jason Gilliespie

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Jason Gilliespie
    As bowling coach he won't be bad certainly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SangasCoverDrive View Post
    He coached Ireland from 2007-2015 where they had a very decent run and they defeated teams England, Pakistan and West Indies. He is doing a very good job with WI too given the circumstances. Surely Pakistan should try to hire him?
    I mean i'd want an Urdu speaking head coach and in my view i've voiced my favour for Wasim Jaffer of India.

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    We do not, and I repeat, we do NOT need a full time bowling coach to begin with.

    (A good foreign coach most like won't come to Pakistan anyway.)

    Starting with pace bowling coach. There are two names: Tim MaCaskill from Australia and Mike Watkinson from Lancashire.

    (I hope Wasim Khan reads it, if not, @Saj, plz forward this to him).

    What we need to do is to contact Cricket Australia and ECB with a begging plea to save Pakistan cricket, by letting us hire Tim MaCaskill and Mike Watkinson on short term contractual basis where either they can visit and run a two to three weeks training and reconditioning camp in UAE, or selected Pakistani pace bowlers should visit Australia and England to train under them for 2 to 3 weeks twice a year.

    Whatever these bowlers learn from Tim and Mike, they MUST coach the same skills to youngsters in domestic cricket academy. If a bowler fails to pass on the newly learned skills to a youngster, it should be held against him during the national selection process.

    If we spend money on our guys, then we must get the most out of it.


    And for batting coach, we will need the same. No full time batting coach.

    Someone from Ranjhi trophy circles (if he can risk his life from the wrath of RSS/BJP radicals) to meet Pak batsmen in UAE for two to three weeks training and reconditioning camps? These coaches from Ranjhi trophy should take our national team batsmen as elementary school kids and start their training from the scratch. This will basically mean to begin with, "How to hold a bat?"

    Trust me, we've got it all wrong. Our batting culture, our batting style, our approach to batting, our foot work, our bat speed, our back-lift, our stance, our head position, our running between the wickets, our ability to pierce the gaps, EVERYTHING needs to scrapped off.

    We need to get the basics right. The problem is, we don't know what exactly is "right"? And for that, we need a good basic level Indian batting coach.

    And then again, whatever we learn from batting coach, MUST be passed on to the youngsters in our domestic cricket academy.

    We do NOT have super genius kind of a naturally gifted talent type players in the team, so we need to train the lot properly and push them to learn it by hard work with the right focus and determination. And it can be done if we believe in it.

    Hard work almost always trumps talent.


    And finally, the pink elephant in the room, Wasim Akram.

    As we all know, Wasim was a naturally gifted bowler, he doesn't know all the factors that make the ball swing. And hence he cannot teach it to anyone else.
    He did not learn a whole lot on how to swing, and hence he can't teach it to anyone.
    If you don't trust me, go watch 100's of his coaching videos on youtube. 100 of bowlers have tried it all but they can't swing like Wasim.

    One thing; however, that Wasim DID learn under Imran Khan's wings is to build the team strategy. How to read the weak and strong links in the opposition team, what to expect from whom and how to counter attack? Wasim is a master of that.

    And hence, Wasim Akram should be the appointed as the team manager/Think Tank/Strategist.

    Wasim himself is on the record stating that he wants this kind of job more than being a coach.
    We need to get this out of our heads, and firmly believe that Wasim Akram is NOT a good coach but he is definitely someone who can out-fox the opposition in strategy building. Being a pacer, he is naturally aggressive and wants to keep attacking wisely. And that's what we need.

    And PUUUHHHLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE ... Keep Misbah and Waqar 100 miles away from the team. For Goodness sake, enough is enough !

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    Is any tier 1 coach free

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Is any tier 1 coach free
    Even this coach is better than what we have for now.

    Julian Wood

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    One guy isn’t going to do the trick here, they need a modern coaching staff that work together as a cohesive unit. This includes team psychologists, data analytics, video coaches, strategists, fielding, nutritionists, physio, etc. In short an entire overhaul including coaching methods and tactics. Ramiz has his work cut out but I have confidence if WK is given the green light he can put this team together using his English connections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    Even this coach is better than what we have for now.

    Julian Wood
    What about Chris Silverwood the England lions coach

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    Mike Hesson, Andy Flower , Stephen Fleming and Gary Kirsten have refused so now Pakistan has to contact Mahela, Katich, Bevan , Baylis, Fletcher and Gillespie and see who can be approached.

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    I just read a random news item that said Andy Flower has turned down the job Easily the best option.

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    Mahela and Gillespie should be approached right now.

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    Will Pakistan go for a foreign Head Coach?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Will Pakistan go for a foreign Head Coach?
    Lets be honest there is no coach in Pakistan even Zimbabwe doesn't take Pakistani coaches so best go for foreign coach.

    I have high hopes from 3-4 people form Pakistan hopefully they do level 3 and 4 in Australia like Muhammad Wasim, Muhammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Taufeeq Umar

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    Pakistan needs a foreign EVERYTHING.

    A FOREIGN coach, a FOREIGN chief selector, a FOREIGN selection committee, a FOREIGN bowling coach and batting coach, and a FOREIGN chairman. That’s the only way to keep parchis away from Pakistan cricket.

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    Bring back Mickey; He was at least doing something

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    KARACHI: Former speedster Wasim Akram sees no better local name who can coach Pakistan’s team after Misbah-ul-Haq resigned.

    Speaking in the ARY News show ‘11th Hour‘, Akram said a foreign coach will address issues in the Pakistan team.

    “I see no liable local name who can coach Pakistan team. If you see anyone, tell me?” Akram responded to the host Waseem Badami who then recommended Javed Miandad.

    “See, Javed Bhai is a good cricket mind but he needs to be aware of modern-day cricket. The game has changed a lot and I don’t think he can adjust here,” he replied.

    Meanwhile, former cricketer expressed satisfaction in the Pakistani squad for T20 World Cup. “Apart from a couple of selections, I think this squad is ok. They have given chances to some new players who can be fruitful for the team. Let’s wait and watch,” he said.

    “See, everyone here wants their favorite players in the team but you can’t make everyone happy. All the criticism shows how much people love this game but I would say here that please be respectful to your players. Criticism and misbehaving are two different things,” he added.

    To a query about his influence in team selection, Akram laughed and said he doesn’t have time for all this. “I have been listening to this for a long time now. Do you really think that I have enough time to deal with all this? Not at all!” he shared.

    ARY


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    Javed Miandad in an interview about foreign coaches:

    “Ham logon ne County kheli hai, magar aaj jo ye ladke khel rahe hain, inka future kya hai? (We have played County, but those who are playing right now, what's their future?),”

    “Lao na inko, inse ham log question karenge. Puchein toh sahi ham bhi, batao cricket ke baare me. (Bring them to the studio, we will ask them questions. We also want to know what they know about cricket)

    “Board apne aap ko bachaati hai ki aasaani se aa jaayein, fir ham log sahi hain. (Board tries to save itself with such hiring).”


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    Thier should be separate coaches for tests and odis/t20s.

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