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    Rank Pakistan's young fast-bowlers

    1. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    2. Naseem Shah
    3. Haris Rauf
    4. Mohammad Hasnain
    5. Mohammad Musa

    All of these kids have serious pace and clearly a great deal of talent but how many of them go from being raw tearaway quicks to complete fast-bowlers is something I'm interested to see in the next few years.

    Obviously injuries are not something one can predict but I think among them Shaheen already seems like a generational talent. It is hard to not see him as one of the Top 2 fast-bowlers in the world in a few years from now. Naseem has all the tools but I fear he might injury-prone. Haris Rauf is a little hard done by the age factor and he is far too raw but that smooth action, that pace...it is impossible to say he won't atleast be very good. Even if his playing days are numbered. Hasnain I think, still has a lot to learn. He is not as naturally gifted as Shaheen and Naseem. But he too has all the tools to succeed at the highest level. Musa is the only one I'm not sure about, especially after seeing him bowl the other day. The odds are stacked against him for obvious reasons but at the same time I don't think you can simply write off someone so young.

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    1)Shaheen
    2) and 3) Naseem and Hasnain toss up
    4)Rauf
    5)Musa

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    No doubt Shaheen (1) is number one, followed by an injury-free Naseem (2). Excluding the last game, Hasnain (4) has not consistently proven himself. I feel with some experience and his role effectively defined Rauf (3) will be better than Hasnain. For me Musa has a lot to prove before he can even be considered.

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    Akif is the most gifted of them all.
    If only we had a system of qualified coaches and trainers to work with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Akif is the most gifted of them all.
    If only we had a system of qualified coaches and trainers to work with him.
    He looked very promising pre-injury. But ACL tears can unfortunately change careers, and I'm not too convinced about the PCB medical panel treating his injury correctly. Hopefully iA he makes a full recovery.

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    It should be between:

    Shaheen
    Haris Rauf
    Hasnain
    Musa Khan
    Naseem Shah
    Akif Javed
    Khurram Shehzad
    Ali Shafique
    Muhammed Ilyas
    Ahmed Bashir

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    Quote Originally Posted by ataullah View Post
    1)Shaheen
    2) and 3) Naseem and Hasnain toss up
    4)Rauf
    5)Musa
    If Musa Khan is the 5th best fast bowler in Pakistan then we should be seriously worried about our future.
    Last edited by Kaddy; 5th November 2020 at 08:15.

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    Oldest in this list is Ehsan Adil at 27, rest are mostly early 20s. My fairly definitive ranking of all the pacers in the circuit right now:

    1. Shaheen Afridi
    2. Naseem Shah
    3. Haris Rauf
    4. Mohammad Hasnain
    5. Akif Javed
    6. Hassan Ali
    7. Sameen Gul
    8. Ehsan Adil
    9. Dilbar Hussain
    10. Musa Khan
    11. Khurram Shehzad
    12. Mohammad Ilyas
    13. Ahmed Bashir
    14. Ali Shafique
    15. Ghulam Mudassar
    16. Salman Irshad
    17. Arshad Iqbal
    18. Mohammad Amir Khan
    19. Amad Butt
    20. Akhtar Shah

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    Shaheen
    Hasnain
    Naseem
    Haris (Rauf).



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    While shaheen's better, i sense a bigger aura from naseem when the ball is gripped in his hand

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    Shaheen is really good. Everyone else is really mediocre.

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    Shaheen
    Rest are all
    Mediocre.aur mediocre
    More mediocre

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    Test Match

    Shaheen
    NaseemShah
    Hasnain
    Musa
    Rauf

    ODI

    Shaheen
    Haris
    Hasnain
    Musa
    Naseem

    20 20

    Rauf
    Hasnain
    Shaheen
    Musa
    Naseem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Shaheen
    Rest are all
    Mediocre.aur mediocre
    More mediocre
    Apart from shaheen how many overs have you watch these bowlers?

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    Shaheen-He is gonna be a top 10 bowler in all formats soon
    Nadeem shah-already the fastest Pacer in Asia in terms of average pace.He has potential to be a top bowler also.
    Mohammed hasnain- He has bowled 155ks.He can swing the ball at 145 ks.He needs to improve his stamina he will be good for LOIs.
    Haris rauf- he has brilliant outswinger and bowls at good pace and very good at death.He is here to stay in t20is and Odis.
    Musa-He has one thing which is pace.can bowl 145ks.one thing which can't be taught is pace and he has it.He needs to improve other skills and also he can be useful with the bat.
    Dilbar Hussain is another guy with potential in T20s.He is seriously talented guy.Can be very useful in T20is.

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    2024-25 Naseem will be the best bowler in the world if he can avoid injuries.
    Shaheen is very good will have the longest career of all 300-400 test wickets @26-27
    Hasnain is a wild card can end up really good or can just dissappear in obscurity
    Rauf, Arshad and Akif can also make it if they stay injury free and work on their skills.
    Musa is rubbish.

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    Only Shaheen is the real deal and even he has a long way to go but has age on his side.

    Rest of the bunch will have average returns more often than not against decent teams. Don't let fifers against Zimbos fool you.

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    Shaheen and Naseem ( to certain extent).

    Hasnain, Rauf & Musa will be destroyed by top teams easily. Rauf can survive in T20s though.

    Other Tier 1 bowlers in Pakistan is also in doldrums

    - Wahab & Amir plays white ball cricket and both aren't long term solution. Would you take a risk taking 38 year old Wahab and 32 year old downhill Amir in WC 2023.

    - Hasan is unfit for ages and battling a career threatening injury. Won't be the same bowler.

    - Mo Abbas plays only test cricket. Looks 35 years old and won't survive more than 2-3 years.

    Overall Shaheen and Naseem will be carrying the bowling for Pakistan this decade unless some freak talent come though.

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    Shaheen

    Daylight

    Akif
    Rauf
    Hasnain

    Daylight

    Musa Khan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    It should be between:

    Shaheen
    Haris Rauf
    Hasnain
    Musa Khan
    Naseem Shah
    Akif Javed
    Khurram Shehzad
    Ali Shafique
    Muhammed Ilyas
    Ahmed Bashir
    Akif is yet to debut but I am sure he will be our second best after Shaheen.


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    Shaheen
    Rauf
    Akif
    Husnain




    Musa

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    Rauf has potential.
    Husnain no
    A guy with a name dilbar ? I ..... But he may be good in T20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Shaheen

    Daylight

    Akif
    Rauf
    Hasnain

    Daylight

    Musa Khan
    Dilbar, Naseem?

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    1. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    2. Naseem Shah
    4. Mohammad Hasnain
    3. Haris Rauf
    5. Mohammad Musa

    For me, Naseem has everything to become better than Shaheen. As of right now, he's the second-best fast bowling prospect in the country.

    Hasnain is progressing nicely. You can see small changes in his bowling that weren't there before.

    Rauf is raw and in his prime. It's an uphill battle but he could become a decent ODI/T20 specialist.

    Musa is a massive project. 3-4 years of domestic cricket before he's good enough.


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    Musa should not be in the list, there has to be 10 young fastmen better than him in Pakistan .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    2024-25 Naseem will be the best bowler in the world if he can avoid injuries.
    Shaheen is very good will have the longest career of all 300-400 test wickets @26-27
    Hasnain is a wild card can end up really good or can just dissappear in obscurity
    Rauf, Arshad and Akif can also make it if they stay injury free and work on their skills.
    Musa is rubbish.
    Naseem will not be the best fast bowler in the world at any point in the future even if he doesnít get a single niggle. You can bookmark this post now and make fun of me when he becomes the best bowler in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Dilbar, Naseem?
    ATM I'd rank Naseem ahead of Akif and Dilbar below Rauf.

    Although, IMO Akif has more raw ability than Naseem and Dilbar more than Rauf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Naseem will not be the best fast bowler in the world at any point in the future even if he doesnít get a single niggle. You can bookmark this post now and make fun of me when he becomes the best bowler in the world.
    You can hold on to your option and I can hold on to mine.
    He is the closest thing to Dale Styen that I have seen in last 15 years if he was being devoloped in a SENA system I was sure he would have been ATG the only hindrance I see is his background (again coming from poor background) and our system which does not know how to groom players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    You can hold on to your option and I can hold on to mine.
    He is the closest thing to Dale Styen that I have seen in last 15 years if he was being devoloped in a SENA system I was sure he would have been ATG the only hindrance I see is his background (again coming from poor background) and our system which does not know how to groom players.
    Yeah you can blame the system when he doesnít become the best bowler in the world at any point in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yeah you can blame the system when he doesn’t become the best bowler in the world at any point in the future.
    To be fair , if he was English then after few years he would be as good as Steyn in his prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Saad View Post
    To be fair , if he was English then after few years he would be as good as Steyn in his prime.
    Looking at how rubbish he was in English conditions, he might not even have made it in county cricket.

    But if you say that if he was English he would have learned how to bowl in those conditions etc., then maybe.

    Personally I find him to be extremely overhyped and he talks a good game but doesnít translate those words into wickets.

    Some of his statements prior to the England series were embarrassing. All the big talk and then he got owned big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Looking at how rubbish he was in English conditions, he might not even have made it in county cricket.

    But if you say that if he was English he would have learned how to bowl in those conditions etc., then maybe.

    Personally I find him to be extremely overhyped and he talks a good game but doesnít translate those words into wickets.

    Some of his statements prior to the England series were embarrassing. All the big talk and then he got owned big time.
    It's not his fault he has been picked raw by the clueless management he should have been given 2-3 seasons at fc and A tours before graduating to senior team

    I don't mind him talking big its better then to be timid he is a 19-20 yr old kid form an uneducated humble background I don't expect him to talk like Einstein at this stage.

    As I said you can hold on to your oponion I can hold to mine I back him to become really good inshallah just needs some better management, grooming and of course some nous and hard work from his side as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yeah you can blame the system when he doesnít become the best bowler in the world at any point in the future.
    Why not

    There is a reason that big European clubs like Barca, Real Madrid try to pick up exceptional South American and African talents in their set up very early on in their formative years because they do not trust these countries to groom these talents to best of their potential.

    There is a reason India started producing world best talents as soon as their was more money and it was used properly to improve the system. The set up plays a huge role in grooming potential raw material to world class finished product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Why not

    There is a reason that big European clubs like Barca, Real Madrid try to pick up exceptional South American and African talents in their set up very early on in their formative years because they do not trust these countries to groom these talents to best of their potential.

    There is a reason India started producing world best talents as soon as their was more money and it was used properly to improve the system. The set up plays a huge role in grooming potential raw material to world class finished product.
    If there is funding for the sport and there is a sporting culture, plus facilities, first world access to quality standard of living, training methodology then yes any country can produce talent.

    India is no where near its real potential. It's still a 3rd world country. Has poor standard of living and resources are scarce. Facilities are mediocre yet they produce great players.

    Population is a rubbish theory. More population with limited resources means absolutely f all.

    you need your resources to match your population to produce talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    If there is funding for the sport and there is a sporting culture, plus facilities, first world access to quality standard of living, training methodology then yes any country can produce talent.

    India is no where near its real potential. It's still a 3rd world country. Has poor standard of living and resources are scarce. Facilities are mediocre yet they produce great players.

    Population is a rubbish theory. More population with limited resources means absolutely f all.

    you need your resources to match your population to produce talents.
    India may still be a third world country but its cricket infrastructure and funding for its main sport is best in the world Indian people did not suddenly start taking compound V and turned in to better skilled cricketers it was the money put in to grassroot infrastructure that resulted in improvrments its as simple as that.

    There is a reason it is majorly firstworld countries that are dominating Olympic medel charts its because they have the resources and money to build world class athletes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Why not

    There is a reason that big European clubs like Barca, Real Madrid try to pick up exceptional South American and African talents in their set up very early on in their formative years because they do not trust these countries to groom these talents to best of their potential.

    There is a reason India started producing world best talents as soon as their was more money and it was used properly to improve the system. The set up plays a huge role in grooming potential raw material to world class finished product.
    I see that you have covered your bases already. If Naseem becomes the best in the world as you predict, you will praise him.

    If he doesnít, you will blame the system.

    Thatís wonderful.

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    There is no point in this ranking. Only Shaheen has demonstrated anything of value so far in international cricket across all formats.

    Its as pointless as ranking extras from a background scene in a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I see that you have covered your bases already. If Naseem becomes the best in the world as you predict, you will praise him.

    If he doesnít, you will blame the system.

    Thatís wonderful.


    Yes I will blame the system if a talent from a remote area of Pakistan with an uneducated humble upbringing is wasted since these are the people who are in most need of proper guidance. The likes of Shan Masood and Imad Waseem have enough grooming, exposure and education from a young age to find how they can maximize their skills but someon like a Naseem Shah or a Mohammad Amir from 2010 do not have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    India may still be a third world country but its cricket infrastructure and funding for its main sport is best in the world Indian people did not suddenly start taking compound V and turned in to better skilled cricketers it was the money put in to grassroot infrastructure that resulted in improvrments its as simple as that.

    There is a reason it is majorly firstworld countries that are dominating Olympic medel charts its because they have the resources and money to build world class athletes
    Or world class steroids* for the so called world class athletes.

    Cricket infrastructure is substandard in India. Absolutely not first class quality.
    India just started focusing on first class cricket from grass root level and it paid dividends. The infrastructure, facilities are still utter trash in India. India is just a professional side hence they are able to produce world class players.

    India have taken their fitness to new levels in hockey too. They are now number 3/4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Or world class steroids* for the so called world class athletes.

    Cricket infrastructure is substandard in India. Absolutely not first class quality.
    India just started focusing on first class cricket from grass root level and it paid dividends. The infrastructure, facilities are still utter trash in India. India is just a professional side hence they are able to produce world class players.

    India have taken their fitness to new levels in hockey too. They are now number 3/4.
    Yes we believe you India youngsters are zabardast despite a poor system its just conincidence when there was no money involved in the game India was producing venkstesh prasad and co and now produce better talent because suddenly they have become good due to no reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Yes we believe you India youngsters are zabardast despite a poor system its just conincidence when there was no money involved in the game India was producing venkstesh prasad and co and now produce better talent because suddenly they have become good due to no reason
    there is money in ipl. that doesnt mean we have access to infrastructure, facilities, standard of living etc. some of our young talents came off the streets.

    believe what you want to believe.

    we changed our fitness strategy. up to 2010 we never took fitness seriously.

    this also applies to hockey hence we are a top side in hockey too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    ATM I'd rank Naseem ahead of Akif and Dilbar below Rauf.

    Although, IMO Akif has more raw ability than Naseem and Dilbar more than Rauf.
    Dilbar and Akif have the most raw ability out of all the pacers mentioned there. It is a shame that the latter has a career threatening knee injury, while the former is learning how to bowl in his prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    there is money in ipl. that doesnt mean we have access to infrastructure, facilities, standard of living etc. some of our young talents came off the streets.

    believe what you want to believe.

    we changed our fitness strategy. up to 2010 we never took fitness seriously.

    this also applies to hockey hence we are a top side in hockey too.
    Yes youngsters are coming of the street but they are coming in to a system which can afford top quality coaches fitness trainers and nutritionist hence players are able to develop their fitness and skills better also playing in IPL they have close proximity with world class players and trainers hence able to incorporate their training regime in to their own its not like one day Jane fonda visited India and asked every one to get fitter and they did its a process which has been accelerated due to more money flowing in to the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Yes youngsters are coming of the street but they are coming in to a system which can afford top quality coaches fitness trainers and nutritionist hence players are able to develop their fitness and skills better also playing in IPL they have close proximity with world class players and trainers hence able to incorporate their training regime in to their own its not like one day Jane fonda visited India and asked every one to get fitter and they did its a process which has been accelerated due to more money flowing in to the system.
    they still dont have access to infrastructure, facilities, standard of living etc at the grassroot and all the way up india A. yea the training methodolgy improved but they still dont even have access to the best diet and nutrition at grassroot level.

    IPL? not every player is lucky to play there. many are still toiling hard in first class cricket.

    like i said, we changed our fitness strategy. up to 2010 we never took fitness seriously.

    what about hockey? we we changed our fitness strategy to tailor towards hockey and it paid dividends.

    money doesnt pour in hockey at all in india.

    so your point is moot. india just learnt how to compete by raising their standards of athleticism.
    this is not even close to india's potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    they still dont have access to infrastructure, facilities, standard of living etc at the grassroot and all the way up india A. yea the training methodolgy improved but they still dont even have access to the best diet and nutrition at grassroot level.

    IPL? not every player is lucky to play there. many are still toiling hard in first class cricket.

    like i said, we changed our fitness strategy. up to 2010 we never took fitness seriously.

    what about hockey? we we changed our fitness strategy to tailor towards hockey and it paid dividends.

    money doesnt pour in hockey at all in india.

    so your point is moot. india just learnt how to compete by raising their standards of athleticism.
    this is not even close to india's potential.
    Both of you are right. There is no black/white answer.

    Money brings the entire system up. So does the selectors' vision for how a team is to be constructed (i.e. fitness matters).

    The fit, rich IPL guys push the non-IPL guys to get to their level. This means if you're coming from a village with no access to facilities, your natural talent better make sure you're keeping up with the rich IPL boys or you're going to get ignored.

    This is why building a financially strong foundation is essential for any cricketing nation. It also helps keep the talent coming in at a high level rather than having them fade away after a good season or two, which is common with the smaller teams.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    You can hold on to your option and I can hold on to mine.
    He is the closest thing to Dale Styen that I have seen in last 15 years if he was being devoloped in a SENA system I was sure he would have been ATG the only hindrance I see is his background (again coming from poor background) and our system which does not know how to groom players.
    Naseem is just above average TBH, and he's not in anyway similar to Steyn

    All Pakistan yound bowlers bar Shaheen are either mediocre or not ready for international cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Dilbar and Akif have the most raw ability out of all the pacers mentioned there. It is a shame that the latter has a career threatening knee injury, while the former is learning how to bowl in his prime.
    I'm a huge fan of Dilbar, but yeah he's essentially handicapped by his age. Realistically, would be lucky to even make the t20 squad in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    I'm a huge fan of Dilbar, but yeah he's essentially handicapped by his age. Realistically, would be lucky to even make the t20 squad in his career.

    He bowled very well in the just concluded televised match against Balochistan.

    Swung the ball both ways and was very hostile with his length.
    The fact that he gets so close to the stumps substantiates any movement he gets because the stumps come into play a lot more often. Even his bouncers were straightening after pitching which resulted in quite a few top edged pulls.

    It was Dilbar's spell along with zahid mahmood that made Balochistan collapse, which resulted in an easy win for Southern Punjab.

    Abbass, who came in as concussion replacement for Bhatti also proved to be a great mentor for him in that innings as he was there at mid off throughout his spell.

    This was in stark contrast to what he did in the first innings where he had no control and just looked confused.

    Therefore, in terms of bowling skills, he isnt behind as much as it may seem, but he needs constant mentorship, for him to first recognise and then express his skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Both of you are right. There is no black/white answer.

    Money brings the entire system up. So does the selectors' vision for how a team is to be constructed (i.e. fitness matters).

    The fit, rich IPL guys push the non-IPL guys to get to their level. This means if you're coming from a village with no access to facilities, your natural talent better make sure you're keeping up with the rich IPL boys or you're going to get ignored.

    This is why building a financially strong foundation is essential for any cricketing nation. It also helps keep the talent coming in at a high level rather than having them fade away after a good season or two, which is common with the smaller teams.
    iPL us for T20. That doesn't apply to first class and list A. So yes there is still a lot of work to do but India have a great base, hence they are able to produce class players. Changing the fitness strategy paid humongous dividends.

    Even in IPl we struggled until 2010. Post ,2010 is when we saw serious changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    He is the closest thing to Dale Styen that I have seen in last 15 years
    Mentioning Naseem and Steyn in the same sentence is a new level of ridiculous i'm afraid.

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    Naseem and Steyn? He is more like Jeff Thompson. Naseem isn't as skilful though

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Naseem and Steyn? He is more like Jeff Thompson. Naseem isn't as skilful though
    Steyn just had pace, bounce from imparting backspin and a GOAT outswinger for the majority of his career. He didn't have a bag of tricks in his arsenal. It was rather his attitude, consistency and wicket taking mentality that made him successful.

    And no Naseem isn't a Thompson.
    He has the ability to move the ball both ways, but hasnt figured out how to bowl in test matches yet. He also has some technical issues which are making him less potent than he should be.

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    Shaheen and Akif are the only two bowlers who can be potentially world class. The problem is we lack world class bowling coaches to teach them about developing their skills. Waqar is nowhere near the likes of Bharat Arun. Believe me just give him Shaheen and you will forget Bumrah

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    If they fulfil their potential then this where they can be...

    1 Saheen
    2 Akif
    3 Rauf
    4 Naseem
    5 Hasnain
    6 Arshad
    7 Sameen
    8 Dilbar
    9 Musa
    10. Md Ilyas..
    Special mention is Zia ul Haq...the guy is 25 and can be handy in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Naseem and Steyn? He is more like Jeff Thompson. Naseem isn't as skilful though
    Naseem is more like Sir R Hadlee with extra zip and pace....albeit Sir Hadlee was more consistent with his lines and swing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    He bowled very well in the just concluded televised match against Balochistan.

    Swung the ball both ways and was very hostile with his length.
    The fact that he gets so close to the stumps substantiates any movement he gets because the stumps come into play a lot more often. Even his bouncers were straightening after pitching which resulted in quite a few top edged pulls.

    It was Dilbar's spell along with zahid mahmood that made Balochistan collapse, which resulted in an easy win for Southern Punjab.

    Abbass, who came in as concussion replacement for Bhatti also proved to be a great mentor for him in that innings as he was there at mid off throughout his spell.

    This was in stark contrast to what he did in the first innings where he had no control and just looked confused.

    Therefore, in terms of bowling skills, he isnt behind as much as it may seem, but he needs constant mentorship, for him to first recognise and then express his skills.
    I think the competition is between Rauf and Dilbar they are like for like replacement for each other...atm Rauf is just ahead in pecking order.....Dilbar needs much more consistency

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Mentioning Naseem and Steyn in the same sentence is a new level of ridiculous i'm afraid.
    Steyn is just an accurate outswinger ....who swings at pace and can bowl relentless fiery spells..... Naseem can swing it both ways but don't have that control and consistency...but he has age by his side and an healthy competition to keep working hard

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    Shaheen
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    Not counting Rauf as young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I see that you have covered your bases already. If Naseem becomes the best in the world as you predict, you will praise him.

    If he doesn’t, you will blame the system.

    That’s wonderful.
    How many bowlers with a couple of years first class experience do you see swinging the ball at over 145kph consistently. If he doesn't succeed it IS the systems fault.

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    1) Shaheen afridi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Mentioning Naseem and Steyn in the same sentence is a new level of ridiculous i'm afraid.
    Watch Dale steyn 2004-2006 he was bowling fast trash with jaffers in between not to dissimilar to naseem

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Naseem is just above average TBH, and he's not in anyway similar to Steyn

    All Pakistan yound bowlers bar Shaheen are either mediocre or not ready for international cricket
    I will not argue right now I have seen enough of naseem to believe he has a higher ceiling then Shaheen results will show inshallah in couple of years
    The main issue with Naeem is he is a perfect example of a guy who needed couple of seasons of competitive fc cricket before he graduated to the senior team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Akif is the most gifted of them all.
    If only we had a system of qualified coaches and trainers to work with him.
    Your overall ranking based on potential? I know you rate Naseem highly based off your excellent first post on this forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Steyn just had pace, bounce from imparting backspin and a GOAT outswinger for the majority of his career. He didn't have a bag of tricks in his arsenal. It was rather his attitude, consistency and wicket taking mentality that made him successful.

    And no Naseem isn't a Thompson.
    He has the ability to move the ball both ways, but hasnt figured out how to bowl in test matches yet. He also has some technical issues which are making him less potent than he should be.
    uhm i was joking about naseem bein anywhere near as good as any of those greats.

    naseem is a nobody right now. Lot of work to do. he isnt anything special at all from what i have seen so far. He may improve. he may not.
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    Shaheen
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    Dont rate Rauf or Musa. I have seen Akif once or twice...Has got potential but also seems erratic.

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    Where do the likes of Mohammad Imran, Arshad Iqbal and Shahnawaz Dahani rank among our other young pacers?

    Mohammad Wasim at Islamabad United has also been impressive


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    Dahani has leapfrogged everyone else except Shaheen and Hassan Ali. Imran also looks very decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Steyn just had pace, bounce from imparting backspin and a GOAT outswinger for the majority of his career. He didn't have a bag of tricks in his arsenal. It was rather his attitude, consistency and wicket taking mentality that made him successful.

    And no Naseem isn't a Thompson.
    He has the ability to move the ball both ways, but hasnt figured out how to bowl in test matches yet. He also has some technical issues which are making him less potent than he should be.
    He could bowl late outswing with new ball, reverse the old one , had an effective bouncer and like you said, he got bounce from a length because of those wrists imparting backspin and all at quite a high average speed for most of his career. What more skills did he need?


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    Currently in this order.

    1. Shaheen

    2. Hasnain

    3. Hasan Ali

    4. Arshad Iqbal

    5. Dhani

    6. Naseem

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    Stats so far in PSL 6:

    Iqbal - 6 wickets at 13.66, economy 7.45
    Shaheen - 6 wickets at 14.33, economy 7.16
    Dahani - 6 wickets at 18.5, economy 10.09


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    A very long way to go for all those fast bowlers the OP has mentioned in this thread. Especially knowing the fact that they are all PAK fast bowlers which is a poor nation when it comes to developing the young talent.

    The only consistent and still promising talent out that list is Shaheen who still has a very long way to develop his skills and others have not played the same number of matches that Shaheen has played to be compared with him

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    Seeing Hasnain again, he looks pretty good. I'd pick him to go with Shaheen and Hasan right now.

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    Petition to remove musa and rauf with any of the upcomming young bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    I'm a huge fan of Dilbar, but yeah he's essentially handicapped by his age. Realistically, would be lucky to even make the t20 squad in his career.
    @Ellipsism
    what happened to Ihtisham Sultan? The bowler who played Qalandars' Emerging Tournament some 5-6 years ago.

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    PP'ers are no better than Pakistani selectors of the past - judging talent based on PSL. I am no exception

    However, I'd love to see Shahnawaz Dhani and Hassnain for couple of years in the domestics, particularly long form cricket, before making up my mind. They are the only one's who have truly excited me so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    @Ellipsism
    what happened to Ihtisham Sultan? The bowler who played Qalandars' Emerging Tournament some 5-6 years ago.
    No clue. I’m guessing he landed a decent paying job (he’s well educated IIRC) and stuck through with that after not getting a contract with LQ. I don’t think there’s any records of him playing any form of club cricket either these days.

    Majid Ali was another one who I thought was a good bowler but nowhere to be seen now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    No clue. I’m guessing he landed a decent paying job (he’s well educated IIRC) and stuck through with that after not getting a contract with LQ. I don’t think there’s any records of him playing any form of club cricket either these days.

    Majid Ali was another one who I thought was a good bowler but nowhere to be seen now.
    I liked him as a bowler and wanted to see him progress further but it is tough being a Cricket Aspirant in Pakistan. I wish him a successful career in his field.

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    Mohammad Umar is a real prospect, it's shame that one bad game in the PSL means we won't see him again. He could become the 83mph skilful bowler that we need.

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    The three I like are arshad iqbal hasnain, and dhani all 3 are tall and quick they could be molded into bowlers for the longer format.

    The other one who has prospect and could be in the hasan ali mould is muhammad umar

    Young Kpk muhammad imran has potential in white ball cricket .

    But I definently wanna see hasnain , dhani and iqbal in future pakistan team they have the physique of modern fast bowlers tall muscular and 140kph


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