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    The greatest Asian Test team of all time

    There was not much doubt over their legacy after occupying the number 1 spot for longer than any Asian team and Virat Kohli amassing a record 33 Test wins as captain, but the skill and mentality that they have shown in this series clears any doubts over their status as the best Asian Test team of all time.

    A disastrous session at Adelaide, the media and the fans from all over the cricket-verse making fun of them and the likes of Warne predicting a 4-0 demolition.

    Kohli leaving and getting criticized for it, Shami getting injured, a few players getting criticized for dining out and not following COVID protocols as well as for eating beef.

    Terribly biased home umpiring, racial abuse, Steve Smith cheating again, Pant playing a Gilchrist-esque knock after getting injured, Vihari getting injured and fighting it out, Ashwin copping blows on the body and carrying on, Jadeja getting injured but padded up to fight it out.........and yet, the series is 1-1 after 3 Tests.

    The way they got the 36/9 out of their system and thrashed Australia at the MCG, the way they saved this Test with sheer grit after being dead and buried shows the resilience of this incredible team.

    This is the competitiveness and resilience that Virat Kohli, the most successful Asian Test captain of all time, has instilled in Team India after Dhoni took them backwards in Test cricket.

    Dhoniís team would have been mentally wrecked by now and would have rolled over for 4-0 after all that this Indian team has been through on this tour.

    Kohli is not around but you can see the impact his leadership has had on the belief of these players, and his legacy will continue to live long after he has retired.

    People who are hyping up Rahaneís captaincy need to understand that if a timid character like him was the captain over the last 6 years, there is no way India would be in this position today.

    No other team in the world today would be 1-1 after 3 Tests in Australia after what India had to put up with, let alone against an ATG worthy attack of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon.


    Also, Shastri deserves credit as well. He is a fantastic motivator with an arrogant, confident personality who is quite good at blocking criticism and keeping his players focused.

    Few years back when Kumble got the coaching job, Shastri also applied and appeared for his interview drunk, and he was heavily criticized by Ganguly and other BCCI members who were on the panel, but that did not faze him and he became Indian coach later at Kohliís recommendation.

    When you have a team like India and a captain like Kohli, a nosy coach is counterproductive. That is why Shastri is so good for this Indian team, he understands his role perfectly and has helped build an environment where the players thrive mentally.

    Regardless of what happens in the final Test, Team India has proved why it is an elite cricket team.

    As a Pakistani, I really wish we could have half the talent, half the skill and half the mentality this Indian team has.

    Phenomenal stuff.

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    Great post...Incredibly proud of this team..Character comes out in such tough situations and in this series they showed it..

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    This is a good Indian test side yes and ultra strong at home but there record in SENA isnt something to rave on about. They have done well in Australia but have flopped in S.A / N.Z and Eng.

    Indian fan OP getting over excited as usual.

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    Great effort by the team and they should be proud but OP seems like an overexcited teenager.

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    So India saved a loss.

    Well done.


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    Completely agreed with Mamoon bhai. Always remember, Mamoon is never wrong

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    Seems like performing in Australia is classed as bench mark for a great test side, yet performances in other places should be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So India saved a loss.

    Well done.
    India D* - to be specific.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Completely agreed with Mamoon bhai. Always remember, Mamoon is never wrong
    Lol the last part is clearly wrong if youíve followed him for more than a few years

    But Tbf heís been getting it right mostly in the last year or so. There was a point around 2015-18 where total opposite of whatever he would predict kept happening

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    I still think Indian team of 2002/3 is the greatest Asian team ever. Drawn against an ATG Aus side in Aus and then a supremely competitive 2-1. Won in Eng and NZ. That team had the greatest batting lineup I have ever seen, only probably Aus 2000-05 come close. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni...just insane batting lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    India D* - to be specific.
    Do you go down a letter for every player that gets injured lol?

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    Predictable thread by the OP who behaves like an even bigger fangirl than his own hindustani brethren

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I still think Indian team of 2002/3 is the greatest Asian team ever. Drawn against an ATG Aus side in Aus and then a supremely competitive 2-1. Won in Eng and NZ. That team had the greatest batting lineup I have ever seen, only probably Aus 2000-05 come close. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni...just insane batting lineup.
    Youíre messing your timelines.

    The wins against England and NZ came in 2007 and 2008/09 I believe. The australia series draw was 2002-03 and it was missing Warne, McGrath and for a large portion Lee. The 2002-03 side was different from 09

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Do you go down a letter for every player that gets injured lol?
    The loss of Kohli alone gets us down to India C.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I still think Indian team of 2002/3 is the greatest Asian team ever. Drawn against an ATG Aus side in Aus and then a supremely competitive 2-1. Won in Eng and NZ. That team had the greatest batting lineup I have ever seen, only probably Aus 2000-05 come close. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni...just insane batting lineup.
    Don't think so, India of 2010's has a much better W/L ratio than India of 2000's. This team is just more dominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Do you go down a letter for every player that gets injured lol?


    That was a great one.

    On topic, this is some serious all time great performance.

    Wow wow wow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    India D* - to be specific.
    That I wont argue against but then that is India's best side they had to offer. That is not Australia's problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    India D* - to be specific.
    Imagine if it were Aus missing Smith, Starc, Hazelwood with Lyon getting injured mid series!! Same posters would do bhangra over how India got it easy again.

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    Compare this with losing 5 wickets in the last session.. Of only Pakistan had such determination

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    That I wont argue against but then that is India's best side they had to offer. That is not Australia's problem.
    Did you maintain the same stance when India defeated Aus without Smith and Warner?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So India saved a loss.

    Well done.



    It was Aus who saved a loss here

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    Did the OP call Pakistan the best Asian team of all time after drawing a series twice in England and winning against them at home? Hyperbole and over-excitedness yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Imagine if it were Aus missing Smith, Starc, Hazelwood with Lyon getting injured mid series!! Same posters would do bhangra over how India got it easy again.
    If they played in India with that team.....

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    Naaa. Not with that overseas record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    Don't think so, India of 2010's has a much better W/L ratio than India of 2000's. This team is just more dominant.
    This team is ultra dominant at home. That team was excellent at home and won multiple series in SENA. Sometimes stats don't give you the clear picture. You need to also take account that their main rivalry was with a GOAT Aussie team and a ATG SA team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I still think Indian team of 2002/3 is the greatest Asian team ever. Drawn against an ATG Aus side in Aus and then a supremely competitive 2-1. Won in Eng and NZ. That team had the greatest batting lineup I have ever seen, only probably Aus 2000-05 come close. Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni...just insane batting lineup.
    2007-10 With Zack at peak we drew in SA 1-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Did the OP call Pakistan the best Asian team of all time after drawing a series twice in England and winning against them at home? Hyperbole and over-excitedness yet again.
    Hello brother.

    How's it going?

    Still fluke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    This team is ultra dominant at home. That team was excellent at home and won multiple series in SENA. Sometimes stats don't give you the clear picture. You need to also take account that their main rivalry was with a GOAT Aussie team and a ATG SA team.
    India of 2000's ( W/L ratio = 1.48), India of 2010's (W/L ratio = 1.93). If India wins this series, they will clearly be the GOAT Asian test team.. There won't be any doubts left after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    If they played in India with that team.....
    A ranji team would beat them black and blue... and i am not kidding

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    Question for OP.

    What is the Home Test match record for England / Australia / South Africa / New Zealand in last 5-7 Years?

    All 4 of these teams have been very strong at home, just like India have been.

    To be considered an all time "Great" side you need to win series consistently away from home. Whats Indias recent record in all of these places?

    Facts are just performing in Australia is not a bench mark for a great test side especially when pretty much all 4 SENA sides have very strong at home and barring Australia this so called "Great India team has been slapped about in all 3 other countries"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    A ranji team would beat them black and blue... and i am not kidding
    if anyone doubts this..
    please refer to the practice match where india A made 525 and Shreyas iyer amassed 225 against their full strength bowling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Did the OP call Pakistan the best Asian team of all time after drawing a series twice in England and winning against them at home? Hyperbole and over-excitedness yet again.
    There was nothing GOAT about that Pakistan team. They were number 1 for about 3 weeks only because the fourth Test between India and West Indies was washed out. They also proceeded to lose a home Test to West Indies after the England series.

    This Indian side is the GOAT Asian Test team. They would walk over Imranís Pakistan let alone Misbahís Pakistan, which was not even better than Inzamamís Pakistan.

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    This side is giving me some confidence.
    We have tours of england and SA lined up next year, win those two series and make yourself not just asia's best teams but one of the ATG teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    If they played in India with that team.....
    They would lose 6-0 in 4 tests.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    You’re messing your timelines.

    The wins against England and NZ came in 2007 and 2008/09 I believe. The australia series draw was 2002-03 and it was missing Warne, McGrath and for a large portion Lee. The 2002-03 side was different from 09
    No, actually I meant to type 2002/03-2008/09. Gambhir wasn't even there in 2002.

    So what Aus was missing Warne and Mcgrath? That was Aus' best side they had to offer. That was not India's problem. Ask @MenInG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Seems like performing in Australia is classed as bench mark for a great test side, yet performances in other places should be ignored.
    If This indian Team can win any two series out of three (England, South Africa & NZ )in next cycle then I will say this is best ever Asian team .

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    BTW funny thing is No Pakistani bar Mammon even mentioned about Imran's team in a thread about GOAT Asian team lol. Good thing that they are finally realizing that winning 14 tests altogether in no GOAT material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There was nothing GOAT about that Pakistan team. They were number 1 for about 3 weeks only because the fourth Test between India and West Indies was washed out. They also proceeded to lose a home Test to West Indies after the England series.

    This Indian side is the GOAT Asian Test team. They would walk over Imran’s Pakistan let alone Misbah’s Pakistan, which was not even better than Inzamam’s Pakistan.
    Inzy's team failed in England, Misbah drew there. They also drew in West Indies where Misbah's team won. Both of them won in NZ. Australia was a convincing whitewash defeat for both. Misbah's team never played India so can't make a comparison in that. Inzy's team won a test match in South Africa but lost the series. Misbah lost 3-0 to South Africa. When Akhtar and Asif weren't playing, that side was a very poor bowling unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devadwal View Post
    If This indian Team can win any two series out of three (England, South Africa & NZ )in next cycle then I will say this is best ever Asian team .
    India aren't touring NZ any time soon. If they win the current series against Aus, they will clearly be the best ever Asian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    BTW funny thing is No Pakistani bar Mammon even mentioned about Imran's team in a thread about GOAT Asian team lol. Good thing that they are finally realizing that winning 14 tests altogether in no GOAT material.
    Javed Miandad also won 14 tests in the same period. It wasn't just Imran's team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devadwal View Post
    If This indian Team can win any two series out of three (England, South Africa & NZ )in next cycle then I will say this is best ever Asian team .
    They've convincingly lost all three of those away series in the current cycle.
    A couple of drawn series would surely have made tbe case a lil stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    BTW funny thing is No Pakistani bar Mammon even mentioned about Imran's team in a thread about GOAT Asian team lol. Good thing that they are finally realizing that winning 14 tests altogether in no GOAT material.
    That team won 28 tests and only team in all of 1980s to remain unbeaten against Windies

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    This judgment should have been put up for debate after the GABBA test match, for instance India lose that test lose the series!, then a record away from home very recently would read defeat in England 4-1, defeat in South Africa 2-1, defeat in new Zealand 2-0, and 2-1 lose in Australia. OP typically getting excited again as a Indian fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Question for OP.

    What is the Home Test match record for England / Australia / South Africa / New Zealand in last 5-7 Years?

    All 4 of these teams have been very strong at home, just like India have been.

    To be considered an all time "Great" side you need to win series consistently away from home. Whats Indias recent record in all of these places?

    Facts are just performing in Australia is not a bench mark for a great test side especially when pretty much all 4 SENA sides have very strong at home and barring Australia this so called "Great India team has been slapped about in all 3 other countries"
    All mentioned teams have not been even in the ballpark of India when it comes to being strong at home.

    India has lost 1 test at home and won 19 tests in the last 5 years giving them W/L of 19.

    South Africa has lost 8 tests at home. Eng has lost 9 tests at home. Even Aus has lost 5 tests at home. The closest is NZ with W/L of 5.

    I am not sure about this greatest Asian team tag, but home domination is not comparable with other teams. I am not sure how many teams in history have W/L of 19 in 5 years at home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    That team won 28 tests and only team in all of 1980s to remain unbeaten against Windies
    Their W/L ratio is 1.77 which is inferior to 2010's India's W/L ratio of 1.93.

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    IMO one of the main reason India competing well in Australia is because they are frequently touring Australia like every 2-3 years

    In past it was like every 4-5 years that they would tour Australia

    This Indian side is a very good test team and if they frequently tour like 2-3 years in SENA then I am quite sure they will win test series in each country sooner or later

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    England last HOME series defeat 2014 vs Sri Lanka - Series wins 9 drawn 4 since then

    Indias record in England in that time period lost 3-1 and 4-1

    New Zealand Home record since 2014 - series wins 13 lost 2

    Indias record lost 1-0 and 2-0

    South Africas Home record since 2014 - Series wins 9 lost 4

    Indias record lost 2-1

    Australias home record since 2014 - Series wins 8 Lost 2

    Indias record lost 2-0 / Won 2-1 / Currently 1-1

    So for all the so called chest beating and bhangra! lets deal with facts!

    All 4 SENA teams have been tough to beat at home in last 7 years and barring performances in Australia, India have been poor!

    But this is so called greatest team ever! based on what?

    Performing just in Australia is not the yard stick of greatness when other teams have just a good home test records in recent times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    Their W/L ratio is 1.77 which is inferior to 2010's India's W/L ratio of 1.93.
    Itís a results driven era

    Kohliís team lost convincingly in England, NZ and Also lost in South Africa. Thatís not a record of a GOAT Team.

    I would say they are the most ruthless hone team from Asia though. Thereís no 1 test match win margins. They often whitewash opposition at home.

    Anyways Iím not going to be engaging much in this thread as it is clearly a childish thread by an overexcited OP who has been on a threat creation rampage in last couple of hours - first making mountain out of a mole hill and accusing Australia of cheating and now this based off a draw. Canít take seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    England last HOME series defeat 2014 vs Sri Lanka - Series wins 9 drawn 4 since then

    Indias record in England in that time period lost 3-1 and 4-1

    New Zealand Home record since 2014 - series wins 13 lost 2

    Indias record lost 1-0 and 2-0

    South Africas Home record since 2014 - Series wins 9 lost 4

    Indias record lost 2-1

    Australias home record since 2014 - Series wins 8 Lost 2

    Indias record lost 2-0 / Won 2-1 / Currently 1-1

    So for all the so called chest beating and bhangra! lets deal with facts!

    All 4 SENA teams have been tough to beat at home in last 7 years and barring performances in Australia, India have been poor!

    But this is so called greatest team ever! based on what?

    Performing just in Australia is not the yard stick of greatness when other teams have just a good home test records in recent times!
    Which is the best ever Asian team in your opinion ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    That team won 28 tests and only team in all of 1980s to remain unbeaten against Windies
    I was talking about Imran's record as captain specifically. I thought it was clear from my post. If you think Pak of 80's were a GOAT team please go ahead and post something along the same line and bring more facts and insights to back your arguments like Mamoon did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    All mentioned teams have not been even in the ballpark of India when it comes to being strong at home.

    India has lost 1 test at home and won 19 tests in the last 5 years giving them W/L of 19.

    South Africa has lost 8 tests at home. Eng has lost 9 tests at home. Even Aus has lost 5 tests at home. The closest is NZ with W/L of 5.

    I am not sure about this greatest Asian team tag, but home domination is not comparable with other teams. I am not sure how many teams in history have W/L of 19 in 5 years at home.
    I am fully aware of how strong India is at home. But facts are all SENA Teams have good home test series records in last 7 years. So for india to be considered great Asian test side ever they need to perform away to all these sides which they havent.

    Just performing in Australia isnt a yard stick anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    It’s a results driven era

    Kohli’s team lost convincingly in England, NZ and Also lost in South Africa. That’s not a record of a GOAT Team.

    I would say they are the most ruthless hone team from Asia though. There’s no 1 test match win margins. They often whitewash opposition at home.
    1980's Pakistan doesn't have a great away record as well.

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    One can only laugh at the audacity of comparing Indiaís home record with that of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Since 2012, India have lost only 1 home Test and drawn only 2.

    This is legendary West Indies and legendary Australia level home dominance.

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    You guys love comparing across eras right? Guess thatís what these fora are for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    One can only laugh at the audacity of comparing India’s home record with that of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Since 2012, India have lost only 1 home Test and drawn only 2.

    This is legendary West Indies and legendary Australia level home dominance.
    Mamoon channeling his inner cricketjoshila this afternoon.

    In fact I wonder if any Indian fan talks like this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    Which is the best ever Asian team in your opinion ?
    Difficult to says as test cricket has changed go back 25-30 years and teams were more happy playing for draw and drawn series.

    Dont get me wrong i think this Indian test at "home" is one of the best ever. However away from home in SENA is pretty mediocre so i wouldnt use the word great at all.

    Look at the "Great Aussie" team they werent considered great until they conquered Asia. The same needs to be done by India in SENA.

    Facts are india hasnt even managed to draw a series in N.Z / Eng / S.A in last 7 years. if they managed that let alone win a series then add the great efforts in Aus and yes you can start to dream of how great this team could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I was talking about Imran's record as captain specifically. I thought it was clear from my post. If you think Pak of 80's were a GOAT team please go ahead and post something along the same line and bring more facts and insights to back your arguments like Mamoon did.
    If OP is ascribing results of this tour to ĎKohliís teamí then surely results of the 1980s should be attributed to ĎImranís teamí

    What OP is claiming is a fringe view which many people donít hold. And itís hard to take seriously once this team corrects record in some of England, NZ and SA. What I am saying is a commonly held view among cricket experts who follow the game much more than you or I. Following article does a decent job: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...jun/14/cricket

    Besides in not claiming they are the best Asian side. Iím not sure who to give that title to but as far as this india is concerned I think the 2007-2011, India side is better than this. Similar domination at home and series wins in NZ, England and draws in SA.

    Anyways Iím out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    One can only laugh at the audacity of comparing India’s home record with that of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Since 2012, India have lost only 1 home Test and drawn only 2.

    This is legendary West Indies and legendary Australia level home dominance.
    Im merely stating how strong SENA teams are at home and how Pathetic your beloved Indian teams performances are in these countries.

    Yet you seem to think that performing in just Australia is enough to be classed as a great side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I am fully aware of how strong India is at home. But facts are all SENA Teams have good home test series records in last 7 years. So for india to be considered great Asian test side ever they need to perform away to all these sides which they havent.

    Just performing in Australia isnt a yard stick anymore.
    You were saying that others have been as strong as India. That's why I pointed out that it's not true. Not losing test series at home is not the same as smashing all touring sides at home. Indians have smashed all touring sides at home.

    I do think they are already a great Asia test side. If you have to pick the top sides in Asian history, this team will be there. Now where in the ranks, that's up for debate.

    I won't call them greatest unless they produce wins in some other venues. We are talking about Asian sides here. They don't need to be competing with the great WI or Aus team to be called great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    This side is giving me some confidence.
    We have tours of england and SA lined up next year, win those two series and make yourself not just asia's best teams but one of the ATG teams
    It's a good team, but we need Rahane rather than Kolhi as captain. Kohli has lost the last 3 Tests (2 in NZ and one in Australia). Rahane has won 1 and drawn 1.

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    Originally when I read the op I thought India had won the match. Putting themselves in a good position to win the series. After looking at the scorecard it seems they have drawn the match. Iíll believe it when they win the series. Just drawing a Test is not good enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Mamoon channeling his inner cricketjoshila this afternoon.

    In fact I wonder if any Indian fan talks like this.
    Can you blame him for supporting the country of birth lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    One can only laugh at the audacity of comparing India’s home record with that of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Since 2012, India have lost only 1 home Test and drawn only 2.

    This is legendary West Indies and legendary Australia level home dominance.
    Whats indias legendary away performances in SENA in that time?

    Please enlighten us as your Indias number 1 fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    One can only laugh at the audacity of comparing Indiaís home record with that of Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

    Since 2012, India have lost only 1 home Test and drawn only 2.

    This is legendary West Indies and legendary Australia level home dominance.
    Based on that can call them GoAt team at home and that's it....haven't won enough in SENA to be 'the GoAT' Asian team.

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    Don't think this is the greatest test team of all time. Greatest Asian Test Team, yes, but that is a low bar. With only Pakistan having had a good test team in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Difficult to says as test cricket has changed go back 25-30 years and teams were more happy playing for draw and drawn series.

    Dont get me wrong i think this Indian test at "home" is one of the best ever. However away from home in SENA is pretty mediocre so i wouldnt use the word great at all.

    Look at the "Great Aussie" team they werent considered great until they conquered Asia. The same needs to be done by India in SENA.

    Facts are india hasnt even managed to draw a series in N.Z / Eng / S.A in last 7 years. if they managed that let alone win a series then add the great efforts in Aus and yes you can start to dream of how great this team could be.
    If India wins the current series against OZ, they will clearly be better than all the past Asian sides. (Pak of 1980's and 1990's and India of 2000's). I don't think you can deny them that tag, if they manage to win back to back series in OZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Difficult to says as test cricket has changed go back 25-30 years and teams were more happy playing for draw and drawn series.

    Dont get me wrong i think this Indian test at "home" is one of the best ever. However away from home in SENA is pretty mediocre so i wouldnt use the word great at all.

    Look at the "Great Aussie" team they werent considered great until they conquered Asia. The same needs to be done by India in SENA.

    Facts are india hasnt even managed to draw a series in N.Z / Eng / S.A in last 7 years. if they managed that let alone win a series then add the great efforts in Aus and yes you can start to dream of how great this team could be.
    Oh, if your benchmark is that then this Indian side is nowhere close to great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Oh, if your benchmark is that then this Indian side is nowhere close to great.
    Look at steve waughs team and interviews from past and they always felt they needed to win every country to feel great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I am fully aware of how strong India is at home. But facts are all SENA Teams have good home test series records in last 7 years. So for india to be considered great Asian test side ever they need to perform away to all these sides which they havent.

    Just performing in Australia isnt a yard stick anymore.
    One fact that every Indian fan is conveniently ignoring is that India has been unchallenged at home by any competent test side which has batsmen that are half decent against spin and which has the spinners to challenge Indian batsmen on subcontinent pitches. Aka Pakistan.

    On the other hand the SENA teams have lost matches at home because they have consistently played matches against teams who are competent in seaming conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Look at steve waughs team and interviews from past and they always felt they needed to win every country to feel great.
    Any cricketer should aspire for that level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Mamoon channeling his inner cricketjoshila this afternoon.

    In fact I wonder if any Indian fan talks like this.
    Just for lols just imagine if India had somehow chased this total

    Mamoon would be jumping, dancing and singing Nimbooda Nimbooda with Indian flag in the mean streets of Peshawar

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    Still waiting on mamoon to explain india pathetic record in S.A / N.Z and England in last 7 years

    must be due to toss of coin or some other lame excuse.

    The great Indian team hasnt even managed a drawn series in these places in that time.

    Yet a team as weak as SL has managed to win series in england and S.A in that time!

    Thats context enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Look at steve waughs team and interviews from past and they always felt they needed to win every country to feel great.
    We are taking about GOAT Asian team here, not GOAT team. No one is comparing this Indian team to great Aus and WI teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    One fact that every Indian fan is conveniently ignoring is that India has been unchallenged at home by any competent test side which has batsmen that are half decent against spin and which has the spinners to challenge Indian batsmen on subcontinent pitches. Aka Pakistan.

    On the other hand the SENA teams have lost matches at home because they have consistently played matches against teams who are competent in seaming conditions.
    Steve Smith
    Nathan Lyon
    Pat Cummins
    Mitchell Starc
    Josh Hazelwood

    No team has any player as good as them to challenge India in India currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    If India wins the current series against OZ, they will clearly be better than all the past Asian sides. (Pak of 1980's and 1990's and India of 2000's). I don't think you can deny them that tag, if they manage to win back to back series in OZ
    Cricket is not played only in Aus. The series win in Aus was fantastic. Need to have a good series outcomes in other venues as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Just for lols just imagine if India had somehow chased this total

    Mamoon would be jumping, dancing and singing Nimbooda Nimbooda with Indian flag in the mean streets of Peshawar
    Scribbled on the white of the flag would be - "Peshawar deserves this humiliation! #IndiaATG #PakMinnows"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    If India wins the current series against OZ, they will clearly be better than all the past Asian sides. (Pak of 1980's and 1990's and India of 2000's). I don't think you can deny them that tag, if they manage to win back to back series in OZ
    If india win back to back series in Aus i will congratulate them on being a very good side.

    But still doesnt hide the fact there performances in other SENA locations has been pathetic.

    Just shows that India are good at Adjusting to pace and bounce. But can not adjust to seam / swing conditions. If there such a great side why cant they do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Steve Smith
    Nathan Lyon
    Pat Cummins
    Mitchell Starc
    Josh Hazelwood

    No team has any player as good as them to challenge India in India currently.
    You expect a team which is used to play on bouncy tracks to beat India in India with one competent batsman against spin and 1 above average spinner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    You expect a team which is used to play on bouncy tracks to beat India in India with one competent batsman against spin and 1 above average spinner?
    If we can play well in Aus it's only fair that we expect them to play well in India.

    It's not like they don't tour us enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I am fully aware of how strong India is at home. But facts are all SENA Teams have good home test series records in last 7 years. So for india to be considered great Asian test side ever they need to perform away to all these sides which they havent.

    Just performing in Australia isnt a yard stick anymore.
    India lost 1 test series at home in last 10 years. Whats the record of SENA countries?


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