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    [VIDEO] Babar Azam is quite overrated

    I'm creating this thread with the most respect and humble opinion, I welcome nothing more than to maybe gain some more knowledge and hear all of your opinions as well.

    Kohli's 2012 Asia Cup inning vs Pakistan is historic, Ben Stoke's 2019 WC and Ashes finishes are flawless.

    Hitman's inning vs Pakistan in the 2019 World Cup is historic.

    Pant's 97 in 2021 at Sydney is special, Gill's 91 in 2021 at Gabba is a star in the making like innings, this is his debut series!

    The mind blowing start to Labuschagne's career is written in the history books, you can argue Pandya's made a name for himself with multiple impressive/legendary innings.

    What has Babar Azam done?

    Yes, he's taken on Steyn, decent innings vs India in the 2017 Final and 2019 World Cup, but certainly nothing to write home and certainly non comparable to the above innings.

    Something I do agree in his favor though is the 2019 World Cup game vs New Zealand, he's apparently also the #1 rated batsman in T20's.

    I just don't see it in Babar Azam, I admit I don't watch many games Live! but I certainly try to keep an eye on the Cricket media and game scorecards.

    The forum talks about Babar being a king, King's win several game for their countries alas Kohli for India, King's don't get bowled out on 48 against Kuldeep Yadav.

    Again this is just my opinion, I feel Babar Azam is overrated.

    I would like nothing more than to hopefully get some more knowledge which I may not be aware of on why Babar Azam is considered so highly?

    What special/match winning/history/legandary innings has played more than once?

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    His innings against nz is far better than any any innings by Kohli in an ICC odi tournament game. Quality of bowling, the deteriorating wicket and the pressure of a must win game.

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    Babar Azam is world class in limited overs cricket, there can't be any debate about it. But when it comes to Test cricket, he has still a long way to go, but I don't feel confident about his Test career, he may end up with an average of below 45.

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    Babar 90 against NZ in NZ in previous tour was world class.

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    All the above mentioned innings of these players are special because they had better players in the team to ultimately get the result for team they hoped for, which made these innings special. However with Pakistan it's quite the opposite. Babar did score a 100 and a 97 in 4 innings he last played in Australia but the fact that Pak bowlers had conceded mountain of runs and other batsmen falling like pack of cards made these innings of Babr not so special.

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    If you closely look at those innings of Babar, he hardly gave any chances, hardly edged any. The team results overshadowed his innings which was definitely not his fault.

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    Yes Babar canít do much when the opposition declare at 597-3

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    He's better than the rest of the Pakistani bats.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    It's nice to see that absurd threads are being started just as the old absurd threads are being bumped to show how ridiculous they were.

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    In test cricket there is no superlative knock so far but in ODI's he has 2/3 great knocks.


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    Cricket is a team game. So many people from the Indian side had to step up so many situations. Loss saini as a bowler forced other bowlers to share the load. Last match Pant, injured vihari, Ashwin made that possible. This time Sundar, Thakur, Pant, Siraj, Pujara, Gill made it possible.

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    He is very good in white ball cricket. In tests, the jury is still out.

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    I am in a very very good mood today, so I will just say that Babar is a very good batsman and stop right there.

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    Babar Azam is a world class player. He does need to score against top teams in more difficult situations. But he has shown he has the ability to do that.

    I think some fans overrate him when they said he is in the league of Kohli and top 3/4 batters in the world.

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    Lol, he is the best batsman we have which shows how awful our batting cupboard is. Beggers can't be choosers

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    I'm creating this thread with the most respect and humble opinion, I welcome nothing more than to maybe gain some more knowledge and hear all of your opinions as well.

    Kohli's 2012 Asia Cup inning vs Pakistan is historic, Ben Stoke's 2019 WC and Ashes finishes are flawless.

    Hitman's inning vs Pakistan in the 2019 World Cup is historic.

    Pant's 97 in 2021 at Sydney is special, Gill's 91 in 2021 at Gabba is a star in the making like innings, this is his debut series!

    The mind blowing start to Labuschagne's career is written in the history books, you can argue Pandya's made a name for himself with multiple impressive/legendary innings.

    What has Babar Azam done?

    Yes, he's taken on Steyn, decent innings vs India in the 2017 Final and 2019 World Cup, but certainly nothing to write home and certainly non comparable to the above innings.

    Something I do agree in his favor though is the 2019 World Cup game vs New Zealand, he's apparently also the #1 rated batsman in T20's.

    I just don't see it in Babar Azam, I admit I don't watch many games Live! but I certainly try to keep an eye on the Cricket media and game scorecards.

    The forum talks about Babar being a king, King's win several game for their countries alas Kohli for India, King's don't get bowled out on 48 against Kuldeep Yadav.

    Again this is just my opinion, I feel Babar Azam is overrated.

    I would like nothing more than to hopefully get some more knowledge which I may not be aware of on why Babar Azam is considered so highly?

    What special/match winning/history/legandary innings has played more than once?
    He is not overrated, but fans do go overboard because he is the only world class batsman in a team that is hovering above minnow level and will only get worse in the future.

    If Babar was in India, he would be considered a very good batsman only, but not the same player that we think he is.

    He could be Pakistanís greatest ever batsman, but it says a lot about Pakistanís embarrassing batting heritage. He is the first all-format batsman we have produced since Yousuf, which says it all.

    Gill is a better talent than him and will have a better career.

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    What a useless post. What has Babar Azam got to do with Australia's loss? Take your frustration elsewhere. Babar is one of the good things going around for Pakistan and is already a superstar of great degree. His time will come to play those defining innings too.

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    Is OP hoping to replicate the "success" of the Steve Smith, Ben Stokes and Rishabh Pant threads? If so, the thread title here is nowhere near dramatic enough.

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    Babar Azamís competition is not the Big 3, but Labuschagne, Pant. He is technically very very sound (& much pleasing on the eye than that guy Labu) & the trigger-go-happy Pant, even though he is yet to play impactful innings like the other two have done. Hopefully his time will arrive soon.

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    Babar is an exceptionally skilled batsman. Just look at the time he has against pace and he's equally adept at playing spin as well. Hardly overrated.


    'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold'


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    Says it all

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    The problem with India-Pakistan is the constant comparison in cricket. For Pak fans, this gets accentuated when India do well and Pakistan aren't at that level.

    The trap that fans fall into is one of self-loathing and this thread seems to be a case of that.

    Babar has the potential to be a Pakistani great and also one of the best in the world. Trying to compare him with Indian greats like Kohli will only lead to hurt and disappointment. He is fantastic. Watch and enjoy him within the realms of your team rather than pitting him against his neighbours.

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    He is just 25.
    Give sometime.


    Virat, ABD, KP and Sir Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    The problem with India-Pakistan is the constant comparison in cricket. For Pak fans, this gets accentuated when India do well and Pakistan aren't at that level.

    The trap that fans fall into is one of self-loathing and this thread seems to be a case of that.

    Babar has the potential to be a Pakistani great and also one of the best in the world. Trying to compare him with Indian greats like Kohli will only lead to hurt and disappointment. He is fantastic. Watch and enjoy him within the realms of your team rather than pitting him against his neighbours.
    Well put mate

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    Babar is a proven performer in ODIs and T20.
    In Test's he is just beginning.
    He will be a Pakistani great and I think score more then 8000 Test Runs at minimum.
    Well I will be disappointed if he does not. He is a classy batsman and top draw.

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    In LOIs(as an accumulator) I am still fine with his hype. He deserves it tbh

    In Tests, heís overhyped tbf. Tests are not won by scoring 60+. Youíve to get hundreds and daddy hundreds

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    No he is not overrated

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    Babar is one of the best batsmen in the world. In fact, I rate him in top 3 across all formats. You don't need to belittle him to praise other batsmen. The OP is unfair to Babar at so many levels. He is the best Pakistani batsman I have ever seen and needs to be celebrated, not undermined.

    Also, Babar has a long career ahead. All the innings that OP mentioned and craves for, Babar will surely deliver in time.

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    In test cricket, he reminds me of Sachin the way he bats. Nearest any batsman has looked to Sachin in terms of playing style and that trademark stand and deliver approach with minimum and often needless feet moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    The problem with India-Pakistan is the constant comparison in cricket. For Pak fans, this gets accentuated when India do well and Pakistan aren't at that level.

    The trap that fans fall into is one of self-loathing and this thread seems to be a case of that.

    Babar has the potential to be a Pakistani great and also one of the best in the world. Trying to compare him with Indian greats like Kohli will only lead to hurt and disappointment. He is fantastic. Watch and enjoy him within the realms of your team rather than pitting him against his neighbours.
    /thread

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    He is a great batsmen with all the skills to be in top 5 cricketers.

    But there is a difference between being great batsmen and great player. He will be called great player if he starts winning matches regularly against top teams by contributing with bat, field and captainship.

    He has to be bit extrovert in terms of taking decisions within the team, his sober and introvert behaviour needs to be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    His innings against nz is far better than any any innings by Kohli in an ICC odi tournament game. Quality of bowling, the deteriorating wicket and the pressure of a must win game.
    I am a babar fan but i think your over hyping that knock. I was at the game. It was a middling score, no run rate pressure, it was not really deteriorating wicket as New zealand had recovered from 70 odd for 5 to post 230 odd, and it was also a game in which Harris got a 70 odd at a much quicker rate. It was a good knock no doubt but i wont start comparing it to what Kohli has done.

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    I think Gill can be better than Babar..

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    I dont get why us Pakistani fans pick on Babar Azam whenever our team fails/india does much better than us in something. There are a million problems with Pakistan Cricket that we need to fix to reach India's level but Babar aint one of them!
    Lets have a go at the other 10 players who are quite frankly rubbish.

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    You cannot compare Babar with any Indian batsmen. Any of Rahane, Gill, Pant, Raul, Bihari are miles ahead of Babar. But Babar is the best we have with some limitation of power playing ability and lack of skill/concentration to play long innings under pressure.

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    He is not overrated but he plays with some really average players currently. That is a factor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    I'm creating this thread with the most respect and humble opinion, I welcome nothing more than to maybe gain some more knowledge and hear all of your opinions as well.

    Kohli's 2012 Asia Cup inning vs Pakistan is historic, Ben Stoke's 2019 WC and Ashes finishes are flawless.

    Hitman's inning vs Pakistan in the 2019 World Cup is historic.

    Pant's 97 in 2021 at Sydney is special, Gill's 91 in 2021 at Gabba is a star in the making like innings, this is his debut series!

    The mind blowing start to Labuschagne's career is written in the history books, you can argue Pandya's made a name for himself with multiple impressive/legendary innings.

    What has Babar Azam done?

    Yes, he's taken on Steyn, decent innings vs India in the 2017 Final and 2019 World Cup, but certainly nothing to write home and certainly non comparable to the above innings.

    Something I do agree in his favor though is the 2019 World Cup game vs New Zealand, he's apparently also the #1 rated batsman in T20's.

    I just don't see it in Babar Azam, I admit I don't watch many games Live! but I certainly try to keep an eye on the Cricket media and game scorecards.

    The forum talks about Babar being a king, King's win several game for their countries alas Kohli for India, King's don't get bowled out on 48 against Kuldeep Yadav.

    Again this is just my opinion, I feel Babar Azam is overrated.

    I would like nothing more than to hopefully get some more knowledge which I may not be aware of on why Babar Azam is considered so highly?

    What special/match winning/history/legandary innings has played more than once?
    Pathetic post

    A lot of Pak fans are never happy. They either overrate or underrate. Neve a middle ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    In test cricket, he reminds me of Sachin the way he bats. Nearest any batsman has looked to Sachin in terms of playing style and that trademark stand and deliver approach with minimum and often needless feet moment.
    Comparing Sachin with Babar!!! Babar is no where near to Sachin in terms of skill or talent. Babar is similar to Laxman/Azharuddin in test and bit better in ODI.

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    Babar is not overrated, but he hasn't fulfilled his potential in Tests yet. In ODI's and T20's he has done really well so far. He needs to score big hundreds in Tests to become a complete all format player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrusade911 View Post
    All the above mentioned innings of these players are special because they had better players in the team to ultimately get the result for team they hoped for, which made these innings special. However with Pakistan it's quite the opposite. Babar did score a 100 and a 97 in 4 innings he last played in Australia but the fact that Pak bowlers had conceded mountain of runs and other batsmen falling like pack of cards made these innings of Babr not so special.
    This!

    Babar has nobody to rally around. In that innings against NZ, he had very good support from Haris Sohail. That innings of Haris just shows the importance of having other good decent partners who can at least stick around and absorb the pressure. Babar needs someone like himself in the top 6 or Pakistan rather need a player of his calibre. Once that happens, watch Babar win matches for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Comparing Sachin with Babar!!! Babar is no where near to Sachin in terms of skill or talent. Babar is similar to Laxman/Azharuddin in test and bit better in ODI.
    Babbar is a lot better than Laxman in ODIs, but he has some way to go before he can be considered very very special in tests.

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    How is he overrated when the bloke is ranked in the top 5 by ICC across all formats, make it sound like an easy feat. Babar is a good batsman, but the fact that he has many years to go in his career / grow as a performer should not be used to bash him ignorantly

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    Babar Azam is class..alas Pak don't have many

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    How is he overrated when the bloke is ranked in the top 5 by ICC across all formats, make it sound like an easy feat. Babar is a good batsman, but the fact that he has many years to go in his career / grow as a performer should not be used to bash him ignorantly
    Ranking is deceptive. We play lots of matches against weak teams. If he plays many matches against England, India, Australia, NZ and S Africa and still among top 10 his ranking will be more credible

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    Would like to see Babar step up in pressure situations in Tests more often.

    In the Abu Dhabi Tests vs Sri Lanka and New Zealand, and the 2nd innings of the Manchester Test he went missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is very good in white ball cricket. In tests, the jury is still out.
    5th ranked batsman in the world, but yeah the jury is still out...

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    Lol this thread is going to come back to haunt you. Posters are going to bump it everytime Babar plays a big innings, which is going to be very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    I'm creating this thread with the most respect and humble opinion, I welcome nothing more than to maybe gain some more knowledge and hear all of your opinions as well.

    Kohli's 2012 Asia Cup inning vs Pakistan is historic, Ben Stoke's 2019 WC and Ashes finishes are flawless.

    Hitman's inning vs Pakistan in the 2019 World Cup is historic.

    Pant's 97 in 2021 at Sydney is special, Gill's 91 in 2021 at Gabba is a star in the making like innings, this is his debut series!

    The mind blowing start to Labuschagne's career is written in the history books, you can argue Pandya's made a name for himself with multiple impressive/legendary innings.

    What has Babar Azam done?

    Yes, he's taken on Steyn, decent innings vs India in the 2017 Final and 2019 World Cup, but certainly nothing to write home and certainly non comparable to the above innings.

    Something I do agree in his favor though is the 2019 World Cup game vs New Zealand, he's apparently also the #1 rated batsman in T20's.

    I just don't see it in Babar Azam, I admit I don't watch many games Live! but I certainly try to keep an eye on the Cricket media and game scorecards.

    The forum talks about Babar being a king, King's win several game for their countries alas Kohli for India, King's don't get bowled out on 48 against Kuldeep Yadav.

    Again this is just my opinion, I feel Babar Azam is overrated.

    I would like nothing more than to hopefully get some more knowledge which I may not be aware of on why Babar Azam is considered so highly?

    What special/match winning/history/legandary innings has played more than once?
    Keep in mind that Babar is still relatively young. He's just about to enter that age where he will start scoring a lot of runs.

    That being said, Babar hasn't played that many match winning innings of such high calibre, but his consistency and ease on the eye is very appreciable.

    He averages 50+ in T20 and ODI, with a decent average of 45 in test matches.

    When you compare the runs he makes on the conditions he makes them to other batsmen, either on the Pakistan team or others, you will see that he's not that far from them.

    His consistency is why people rate him very highly.

    Also, he's improving. A lot of people don't see the improvements in his batting and fielding, but I'll tell you that he is improving tremendously. Not just in his red ball game, but in white ball cricket as well. His T20 SR has increased, and his ODI stats are improving too.

    We haven't had the luxury of playing a lot of ODI cricket in recent times, so it will be hard to work on that front, but I'll give credit where it's due.

    You also have to consider the element of age again. In the world of white-ball cricket, the likes of Virat Kohli, Joe Root, and Kane Williamson have really performed over the years. To be compared with them at this stage of his career is a good achievement, but the fact that he is younger than the ones I mentioned also suggests that he has a long way to go.

    Right now, you are probably in a state where most Pakistani fans are. They don't think Babar is a match-winner. I implore those fans to question what part of averaging 50 and scoring centuries and 50+ scores is not helping to win a match. Babar is Pakistan's current best match winner. If he gets going with the bat, he provides stability and allows the team to build off of him. We saw how his absence against New Zealand caused us to lose the first two games. Is that a coincidence? No, it's not. His batting is crucial for Pakistan to win games.

    We have a lot to look forward to in terms of what Babar Azam can do, and if anything, I think that he's particularly under-rated, especially in the T20 format.

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    Can't believe I am going to sound like Mamoon but in all honesty, the whole team is over-rated. We are so busy living off our past glories rather than creating new ones.


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    His best years are ahead of him.


    "If this happens I will swim across the Charles River! In winter!" -- OZGOD on NZ batting 6 sessions

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    If Babar Azam continues his form , he will end up as the greatest Pakistan batsman eclipsing Miandad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    5th ranked batsman in the world, but yeah the jury is still out...
    How many centuries in SENA countries? How many centuries outside pakistan's home games?

    He has 2000 test runs and avgs 45, avg inflated due to avging 200 at home.

    So yes, the jury is still out on his test batting.

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    Bumpable thread lol

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    i am sorry but this thread reminds me of typical 90s middle class indian aunties. Just because neighbor's kid has done well in some exam, so the own kid is getting scolded for no reasons whatsoever.

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    One of the guys who played few impact innings for Pakistan is actually Azhar Ali. Be it the record chase or the 100 in England or the underrated 50 in CT, 300 and 200ís but Pakistani fans donít appreciate him enough because he is not badtameez enough.

    To be fair we Indian fans are guilty there to when it comes to guys like Pujara and Rahane but at least this series has given them the respect they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    One of the guys who played few impact innings for Pakistan is actually Azhar Ali. Be it the record chase or the 100 in England or the underrated 50 in CT, 300 and 200’s but Pakistani fans don’t appreciate him enough because he is not badtameez enough.

    To be fair we Indian fans are guilty there to when it comes to guys like Pujara and Rahane but at least this series has given them the respect they deserve.
    He was averaging 48 in 2017, now his average is 42. India would have dropped him had he been exhibiting this regression in their team. He did not kick on as a consistent senior performer should have after the exit of Misbah and Younis Khan. This is why Pakistani fans don't rate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    How many centuries in SENA countries? How many centuries outside pakistan's home games?

    He has 2000 test runs and avgs 45, avg inflated due to avging 200 at home.

    So yes, the jury is still out on his test batting.
    If an Asian batsman can score runs in SENA (which he has), then he can score runs anywhere. The only reason his average is 45 is because he hasn't played enough matches. He is one of the best batsmen in the world and for anyone to deny that or say the jury is out makes me question their rationality as observers of cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    If an Asian batsman can score runs in SENA (which he has), then he can score runs anywhere. The only reason his average is 45 is because he hasn't played enough matches. He is one of the best batsmen in the world and for anyone to deny that or say the jury is out makes me question their rationality as observers of cricket.
    So how many centuries in SENA countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You cannot compare Babar with any Indian batsmen. Any of Rahane, Gill, Pant, Raul, Bihari are miles ahead of Babar. But Babar is the best we have with some limitation of power playing ability and lack of skill/concentration to play long innings under pressure.
    At least try to hide the fact that you are a troll lol. Babar is one of the best in the world. His poise and balance, ability to pick the length of the ball, ease of playing shots, and hunger for scoring runs are all world-class.

    His test career has just started and he has his whole career in front of him. He is 25 and only in the last 2 years has gotten the gist of test cricket. And considering the fact that we play so little test cricket and played none at home before 2019 is means that he has played fewer Tests and even fewer in favorable conditions than his counterparts.

    Every time an Indian batsman does well in cricket, A thread is either bumped or a new one is created to slander Babar. The self-hatred and insecurity are unreal here. This "Pakistani Batsmen will be a level below Indian batsmen cuz batting culture etc" nonsense reminds me of the Indian Pacers can never be better than Indian one's argument. Babar in time will make his own legacy but trolls will always be there belittle him, like they do other great cricketers of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So how many centuries in SENA countries?
    You talk like he took his retirement today and now the jury is out on what sort of a cricketer he was. Calm down lol, He is just getting started.

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    This stupid threads to belittle one player by comparing him with others need to stop. This is not a healthy practice.

    I think Babar is great talent and has grown a lot over the years. As far as I have seen him, he performed against all teams in LOI , home and away. You can't have ODI and T20 average of 50+ if you are selective performer.

    I have not seen his Test batting much so won't comment on his current standing. As far as LOI is concerned he is gem of a player and every team benefits from having somebody like him with other hitters playing around them. Steve Smith for Aus, Kohli for India, Williamson for NZ, Babar for Pakistan. Not that they can't be destructive but that is not their general style of play. They hold the innings together allowing powerful players around them to pump the SR.

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    I don't feel comfortable making tall claims. Let the player score runs and let his bat do the talking. Hype and expectations achieve nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You cannot compare Babar with any Indian batsmen. Any of Rahane, Gill, Pant, Raul, Bihari are miles ahead of Babar. But Babar is the best we have with some limitation of power playing ability and lack of skill/concentration to play long innings under pressure.
    None of those are better than Babar. Gill early days so who knows how will he play in different conditions. Rahane and Pants are laughable suggestions.
    People forget that India has a strong batting line up so likes of Pants or Raul could play freely as oppose to Babar who is almost always playing under term dous pressure as often he comes in when Pakistan have lost top three wickets very quickly and after Babar there is no one to rely on, so he has to bat carefully and re wives no support from other end so opposion bowlers have their tail up. Pant would not have been able to win the match if Gill did not give the start he did and Pujara did not grind Australian bowlers to ground.
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    best we have so I dont get this thread. I wont compare him to the Indians because their coaching and org setup is a billion times better than ours. If he can keep scoring runs for us thats all I care about.

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    He was the king of soft runs until 2018. Since then he's started performing in test matches and playing clutch knocks in LO cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So how many centuries in SENA countries?
    I think you have trouble reading. I said runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You cannot compare Babar with any Indian batsmen. Any of Rahane, Gill, Pant, Raul, Bihari are miles ahead of Babar. But Babar is the best we have with some limitation of power playing ability and lack of skill/concentration to play long innings under pressure.
    Troll post of the month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeetu View Post
    If Babar Azam continues his form , he will end up as the greatest Pakistan batsman eclipsing Miandad.
    Babarís batting may be much more easy on the eyes than Miandad, but he is no where near Miandad in grit and determination.

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    Just see him become the third highest t20i run getter next year if he gets to play the 30 plus t20is sheduled.

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    Chickening out against NZ because of a broken hand so that Rizwan has to face the music of a disastrous NZ tour wasn't a wise decision. His captaincy would've been exposed so easier to not affect his legacy, which will be a cluster of home wins from now on for a while.
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    I think OP has a point. Babar Azam even though his stats have been remarkable has never played a knock like Pant or Gill have. A course changing knock that all but sealed a certain victory. I know not on a GABBA pitch but for context how Younus Khan scored a total of 373 in the 4th innings against Srilanka.

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    Babar is the only batsmen we have. I dont understand why people hate on him its not like there are players around him supporting him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeetu View Post
    If Babar Azam continues his form , he will end up as the greatest Pakistan batsman eclipsing Miandad.
    I would say that Babar with his great technique has already become a better batsman than Miandad. You are a stats guy, so I think you are waiting for the stats to show this.

    No doubt, he is one of the best batsmen in the world. However, to win matches all great players need a supporting cast and he doesn't have one. That said, if I was a Pakistani, then in the last WC, facing an Indian total of 337, I would have liked him to have scored a century at a strike rate of 125%, to give his team a chance.

    Pant is nowhere close to Babar as a batsman, yet he produced a match winning knock yesterday in a hugely important game, something far exceptional than what his level suggests. Babar needs to exceed himself in the most important games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    I think OP has a point. Babar Azam even though his stats have been remarkable has never played a knock like Pant or Gill have. A course changing knock that all but sealed a certain victory. I know not on a GABBA pitch but for context how Younus Khan scored a total of 373 in the 4th innings against Srilanka.
    Replace babars 100 or 97 against austrailia earlier in 2019 with gills knock. The end result will be same even greater. Shai hope scored 100 of 150 , a terrible knock but power hitters around him carried wi to a win against india. If he had a better team he would have won pak way more matches. The 100 against england should have been a win had the bowlers bowled better. In test cricket i agree he is yet to preform as expected so it isnt right to overrate him to someone like smith or kohli but i dont think many people do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Babar Azam’s competition is not the Big 3, but Labuschagne, Pant. He is technically very very sound (& much pleasing on the eye than that guy Labu) & the trigger-go-happy Pant, even though he is yet to play impactful innings like the other two have done. Hopefully his time will arrive soon.
    pant is a lower order batsman and Babar is a top order batsman you cant compare the two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You cannot compare Babar with any Indian batsmen. Any of Rahane, Gill, Pant, Raul, Bihari are miles ahead of Babar. But Babar is the best we have with some limitation of power playing ability and lack of skill/concentration to play long innings under pressure.
    Yes rahane who averages 42 whilst being 32
    Rahul who is 28 and averages less than 40
    Bihari isnt even in the top 30 players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Ranking is deceptive. We play lots of matches against weak teams. If he plays many matches against England, India, Australia, NZ and S Africa and still among top 10 his ranking will be more credible
    so thats his fault not playing against better oppositions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    How many centuries in SENA countries? How many centuries outside pakistan's home games?

    He has 2000 test runs and avgs 45, avg inflated due to avging 200 at home.

    So yes, the jury is still out on his test batting.
    just like the jury should be out with kl Rahul

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    None of those are better than Babar. Gill early days so who knows how will he play in different conditions. Rahane and Pants are laughable suggestions.
    People forget that India has a strong batting line up so likes of Pants or Raul could play freely as oppose to Babar who is almost always playing under term dous pressure as often he comes in when Pakistan have lost top three wickets very quickly and after Babar there is no one to rely on, so he has to bat carefully and re wives no support from other end so opposion bowlers have their tail up. Pant would not have been able to win the match if Gill did not give the start he did and Pujara did not grind Australian bowlers to ground.
    and all of them i think are older than babar azwell.

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    One of the top 4 batters in the world


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