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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Pant is Gilchrist level talent, while Rizwan is a Watling level.

    Ignorant will ignore and hype their players for now and 3-4 years later when they will be proved wrong, they will jump onto some other young player's bandwagon. Just only 9-10 months ago, it was Naseem Shah. But now they have jumped onto Rizwan's bandwagon and hyping him.
    Rizwan is at least Sanga level. And I am not sure we are hyping Rizwan or its guys like you hyping Pant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    What happened to Prithvi Shaw? He has more Pakistani fans like me these days than Indians. Meanwhile some Indians in another thread are talking about how Pant will only raise his keeping to another level because 50 million is at stake.

    No need to generalize. Also you are generally a good poster so you should know how to spot a troll when you see one. Whether or not they pander to narratives that make you feel good or not, there is a disingenuous agenda behind them which actually does not do justice to what he is actually saying. How can you believe he genuinely means these compliments if his entire agenda is to badmouth Pakistan cricket?

    Take it from someone like me who is unwilling to sell out my country, Pant is no doubt an elite talent with the potential to become an ATG. And Rizwan may or may not be comparable. But what is wrong with hyping?
    Where am I generalizing? I am only talking about ignorant posters. There are some Indian posters who also do so. As for Prithvi Shaw, I was the first one who could clearly see his technical deficiency which were quite clearly visible and wanted him to be dropped especially when you have a guy like Gill sitting out.

    I even recall you were rating him very highly but what was the ultimate result? I backed Gill and Pant in place of Shaw and Saha and you can see that with the inclusion of former duo, the whole series turned on its head from 0-1 deficit to 2-1 win. Gill consistently gave India starts and Pant played match defining knock at Sydney and Brisbane to win us the series.

    Shaw has the talent but if at any given point of his career, he is struggling to survive even 2-3 overs, he must be dropped especially with better options available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    Pant vs. our best player Babar, who would you pick?
    You can ask him Pant vs say Inzi, Yousuf or Younis ... he will still pick Pant, and we all know why. Half way through reading his post and I have not read this much rubbish from some of the die hard Indian posters here as this guy. He has already "proven" that Pant is ATG by some twister logic, right now he is the heir to Gilly and in 2 months he would have surpassed gilly and be at another level.

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    "Pant cannot be compared to Rizwan because he's batsman who keeps" is one of the most dumbest and lamest excuse I've ever heard....

    Doesn't even make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post


    When did this happen?
    Yeah lol. Just randomly putting one false statement in the whole post. Who is gonna bother pointing out afterall?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    What happened to Prithvi Shaw? He has more Pakistani fans like me these days than Indians. Meanwhile some Indians in another thread are talking about how Pant will only raise his keeping to another level because 50 million is at stake.

    No need to generalize. Also you are generally a good poster so you should know how to spot a troll when you see one. Whether or not they pander to narratives that make you feel good or not, there is a disingenuous agenda behind them which actually does not do justice to what he is actually saying. How can you believe he genuinely means these compliments if his entire agenda is to badmouth Pakistan cricket?

    Take it from someone like me who is unwilling to sell out my country, Pant is no doubt an elite talent with the potential to become an ATG. And Rizwan may or may not be comparable. But what is wrong with hyping?
    You wanna bet some of these fans will turn away from Pant once he starts failing? I saw a mini trailer of that when Pant was dropped from LOI teams and Saha was playing instead of him in tests. Most of them ran away and only came back with a 'Told you so' placard after his innings against Australia. These are the same plastic fans who don't even respect legends of Indian cricket and can bring their name down just to hype young talent. I think only @jeeteshssaxena is his loyal supporter. Rest are worshippers of the rising sun.

    It is also ok for them to call Pant the next Gilly or Gilly 2.0 but it is a sin in their eyes if you try to mention Rizwan and Pant in the same sentence. These are the two active cricketers. They won't even let you compare him with Rizwan but will try to stuff the word 'Gilly 2.0' in your throat when it comes to Pant lol.

    Rizwan Away Stats :
    Aus : 44.25
    Eng : 40.25
    NZ : 43

    Pant Away Stats :
    Aus : 62.40
    Eng : 27
    NZ : 15
    WI : 19.33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You wanna bet some of these fans will turn away from Pant once he starts failing? I saw a mini trailer of that when Pant was dropped from LOI teams and Saha was playing instead of him in tests. Most of them ran away and only came back with a 'Told you so' placard after his innings against Australia. These are the same plastic fans who don't even respect legends of Indian cricket and can bring their name down just to hype young talent. I think only @jeeteshssaxena is his loyal supporter. Rest are worshippers of the rising sun.

    It is also ok for them to call Pant the next Gilly or Gilly 2.0 but it is a sin in their eyes if you try to mention Rizwan and Pant in the same sentence. These are the two active cricketers. They won't even let you compare him with Rizwan but will try to stuff the word 'Gilly 2.0' in your throat when it comes to Pant lol.

    Rizwan Away Stats :
    Aus : 44.25
    Eng : 40.25
    NZ : 43

    Pant Away Stats :
    Aus : 62.40
    Eng : 27
    NZ : 15
    WI : 19.33

    See the whole idea is that you somehow objectively try to compare two quality cricketers. Subjective arguments such as the one Mamoon keeps on making like Pant already ATG and Gilly xx level, dont make sense. We are talking about too many ifs and buts here. The same posters are rating his Australian exploits very highly but if he fails in england (again), they would run away because they always had a faulty argument. I am not even sure why these guys are putting Rizzy down given that a few weeks ago he scored two centuries in 2 different formats across two formidable bowling attacks, like how many Indian keepers have ever done that or any other keepers for that matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Pant was hardly dropped from test format 8 months ago. He played both the NZ matches and was dropped from only pink ball test vs Australia recently due to fitness issue and bad IPL. But there was never any denying of his talent and it was only matter of time before he delivered and he did.

    He has played match and series winning knocks already in Australia and vs England which no other Asian keeper batsman has achieved and he is just 23. As for keeping, Gilchrist debuted in tests at age of 28 in 1999 so obviously his keeping will not be question mark at that age. The keeping argument was unnecessary overblown and he put it to rest with his keeping vs England at home.

    Also quite absurd that you are mentioning that Pant was dropped in England when he wasn't lol and it was his debut series and he got a test hundred too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post


    When did this happen?
    He was dropped out of the side due to his poor keeping in England for the following series and only brought back in once Saha also failed. Is this new information for you guys?? Explains why also this jumping around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    He was dropped out of the side due to his poor keeping in England for the following series and only brought back in once Saha also failed. Is this new information for you guys?? Explains why also this jumping around.
    You said he was also dropped in England?? That never happened. He debuted midway of the test series and played all 3 test matches that were left in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    Rizwan is at least Sanga level. And I am not sure we are hyping Rizwan or its guys like you hyping Pant.
    At least Sanga level?? Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Pant was hardly dropped from test format 8 months ago. He played both the NZ matches and was dropped from only pink ball test vs Australia recently due to fitness issue and bad IPL. But there was never any denying of his talent and it was only matter of time before he delivered and he did.

    He has played match and series winning knocks already in Australia and vs England which no other Asian keeper batsman has achieved and he is just 23. As for keeping, Gilchrist debuted in tests at age of 28 in 1999 so obviously his keeping will not be question mark at that age. The keeping argument was unnecessary overblown and he put it to rest with his keeping vs England at home.

    Also quite absurd that you are mentioning that Pant was dropped in England when he wasn't lol and it was his debut series and he got a test hundred too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    You said he was also dropped in England?? That never happened. He debuted midway of the test series and played all 3 test matches that were left in the series.
    Yes he played all the matched and then was dropped for his poor keeping. He was also so poor in NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    At least Sanga level?? Okay.
    Sanga is better than both, Sanga up until he kept was also a gun keeper but later turned into just a great batsmen who has a better test average than Sachin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    At least Sanga level?? Okay.
    so Pant is Gilly level and Rizzy cant be Sanga level? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    He was dropped out of the side due to his poor keeping in England for the following series and only brought back in once Saha also failed. Is this new information for you guys?? Explains why also this jumping around.
    Dear lord how long will you keep lying?

    Pant played three straight series' for us after that series in England. At home against WI, away to Australia and then away to West Indies. He failed with the bat in WI and got dropped for the home series against SAF.

    Atleast do some research before uttering absolute rubbish or better just :
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    so Pant is Gilly level and Rizzy cant be Sanga level? Why?
    Compare Pant and Gilly test record at age of 23 and Rizzy and Sanga record at age 29. Oh wait! Gilly was yet to debut at age of 23. He debuted at 28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Compare Pant and Gilly test record at age of 23 and Rizzy and Sanga record at age 29. Oh wait! Gilly was yet to debut at age of 23. He debuted at 28.
    What's your point? Michael Hussey made his debut at the age of 30 and retired with an average of 51. Are you going to call Washington Sundar better than him now lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What's your point? Michael Hussey made his debut at the age of 30 and retired with an average of 51. Are you going to call Washington Sundar better than him now lol?
    This is Apple vs Orange comparison. Your ability to read " next XYZ" as "better than XYZ now only" has no cure. Between, never seen you getting triggered when a lot of posters say Rohit as next Sehwag in tests but in Pant's case when compared with Gilly, it is pretty instant.

    I suggest learn to respect a guy who has won his team a test series in Australia as standout performer rather than crying over other posters that they are disrespecting oldies who have won the world cup for us in past. Both wins are equally great and the standout performers of those wins deserve all the respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    This is Apple vs Orange comparison. Your ability to read " next XYZ" as "better than XYZ now only" has no cure. Between, never seen you getting triggered when a lot of posters say Rohit as next Sehwag in tests but in Pant's case when compared with Gilly, it is pretty instant.

    I suggest learn to respect a guy who has won his team a test series in Australia as standout performer rather than crying over other posters that they are disrespecting oldies who have won the world cup for us in past. Both wins are equally great and the standout performers of those wins deserve all the respect.
    Calm down buddy. You would be the last person here that will trigger me.

    I am just amazed at how you are bringing age into discussion when you can simply bring in the stats(which I have mentioned above) of both these players and prove who is better than whom. You can call Pant next Lara, kiss his feet and worship him I don't care but don't post stupid stuff and expect people to accept as it is. Yes Pant performed better in Australia but does that mean he can't be critcised? Should people ignore his away stats in other countries? It's actually you and other Pant fans who need to calm down and let him improve his stats in other countries before you do your lungi dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    Dear lord how long will you keep lying?

    Pant played three straight series' for us after that series in England. At home against WI, away to Australia and then away to West Indies. He failed with the bat in WI and got dropped for the home series against SAF.

    Atleast do some research before uttering absolute rubbish or better just :
    Okay I will go quite by saying this Pant keeping is better than anyone there has ever been and he kept and batted brilliantly in England & NZ while Rizwan failed on both tours miserably and deserved to be dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Compare Pant and Gilly test record at age of 23 and Rizzy and Sanga record at age 29. Oh wait! Gilly was yet to debut at age of 23. He debuted at 28.
    Gilly can not be compared to Pant as Gilly keeping was never in doubt and he was a pure keeper bat. Where Pant keeping is below international level standard so he is more like a batsman who can keep.

    Sanga was a proper keeper until he decided to give up keeping and became even better batsman than he was when he was a keeper just by stats even better than Sachin.

    Pant for now is a batsman who can keep so cant be compared to great keepers like Gilly whose keeping again was never in doubt even by Australian keeping standards at the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    Okay I will go quite by saying this Pant keeping is better than anyone there has ever been and he kept and batted brilliantly in England & NZ while Rizwan failed on both tours miserably and deserved to be dropped.
    While you are at it you should also not forget that Rizwan is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of Pant because at 23 he was nowhere near where Pant is now. Rizwan belongs to the league of Ajay Ratra, Taibu, Niall O Brien.

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    I am not saying who is better than whom but these stats are good enough to shut those who think there can't be any comparison between these two. Pant is leading comfortably in Aus. Pant has played 7 games whereas Rizwan has only played 2 games in Aus.

    Rizwan Away Stats :
    Aus : 44.25
    Eng : 40.25
    NZ : 43

    Pant Away Stats :
    Aus : 62.40
    Eng : 27
    NZ : 15
    WI : 19.33

    Last edited by Firebat; 11th March 2021 at 18:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    While you are at it you should also not forget that Rizwan is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of Pant because at 23 he was nowhere near where Pant is now. Rizwan belongs to the league of Ajay Ratra, Taibu, Niall O Brien.
    The guy had literally one good away tour and his fans are jumping up and down hyping him and then they blame others for doing the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Calm down buddy. You would be the last person here that will trigger me.

    I am just amazed at how you are bringing age into discussion when you can simply bring in the stats(which I have mentioned above) of both these players and prove who is better than whom. You can call Pant next Lara, kiss his feet and worship him I don't care but don't post stupid stuff and expect people to accept as it is. Yes Pant performed better in Australia but does that mean he can't be critcised? Should people ignore his away stats in other countries? It's actually you and other Pant fans who need to calm down and let him improve his stats in other countries before you do your lungi dance.
    But you didn't give me answer to my question. Why do you get triggered when posters say that Pant is next Gilly? Is Gilly a GOD according to you? Never seen you getting triggered when someone says, Rohit is next Sehwag given that you are a Sehwag fan and his test record is far superior to Rohit.

    Also, why are you hell bent on Pant's stats in every other country? Can't he have a few bad series in his career. Do you know that Gilly also averaged 28 in India and 25 in UAE also. Pretty much every single great specialist batsman let alone wicket keeper bat, has failed in 2-3 countries except a few. So, why you are so much on only Pant's stats for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    But you didn't give me answer to my question. Why do you get triggered when posters say that Pant is next Gilly? Is Gilly a GOD according to you? Never seen you getting triggered when someone says, Rohit is next Sehwag given that you are a Sehwag fan and his test record is far superior to Rohit.

    Also, why are you hell bent on Pant's stats in every other country? Can't he have a few bad series in his career. Do you know that Gilly also averaged 28 in India and 25 in UAE also. Pretty much every single great specialist batsman let alone wicket keeper bat, has failed in 2-3 countries except a few. So, why you are so much on only Pant's stats for that?
    Because you are comparing Pant to Gilly whose keeping was never questioned and has 3 clutch WC final innings etc to his name. If you going to compare below average keeper who can bat to all time great like GIlly anyone would either get triggered and call you out as delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    Okay I will go quite by saying this Pant keeping is better than anyone there has ever been and he kept and batted brilliantly in England & NZ while Rizwan failed on both tours miserably and deserved to be dropped.
    All these attempts at satire would have looked a lot better if you hadn't tried to lie through your teeth for the past half a dozen posts....

    Pant was dropped on the England tour after he failed with the gloves

    **gets proven wrong****

    Pant got dropped for the following series after the England tour for his poor keeping


    *gets proven wrong...again***


    Now desperate attempts at satire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I am not saying who is better than whom but these stats are good enough to shut those who think there can't be any comparison between these two. Pant is leading comfortably in Aus. Pant has played 7 games whereas Rizwan has only played 2 games in Aus.

    Rizwan Away Stats :
    Aus : 44.25
    Eng : 40.25
    NZ : 43

    Pant Away Stats :
    Aus : 62.40
    Eng : 27
    NZ : 15
    WI : 19.33

    Please don’t let facts get in the way of this worshipping.

    The sample size is so small for both, yet one is being lauded as a potential ATG already, while the other is being projected as potentially Pakistan’s greatest keeper. Let them play a bit more, and then judge.

    Those away stats for Pant are horrendous though, must say. Wasn’t Pant no where to be seen around a year or so ago? Dont follow Indian cricket much, so don’t really remember. Saha was the test keeper if I remember correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    so Pant is Gilly level and Rizzy cant be Sanga level? Why?
    I keep saying this. The opinions of random anonymous posters on an internet forum matters jacksh*t on how a cricketer is rated in the actual cricketing world. If some random Sharma or "Indian cricket fanatic" or "Passionate Indian" hypes up Pant as the next Gilchrist, that would have zero influence on how Pant is going to be perceived in the wider cricketing world. This is why I often get amused at posters trying to convince another poster that so and so cricketer is good or not good because frankly, we are not important enough to influence the legacy of a cricketer.

    If a player is actually good, his stocks would automatically rise up in the cricketing world among the ex players, commentators and pundits, no one needs to push any narrative to do that. Pant is hailed as the "next Gilchrist" not because Indian fans say so. Indian fans would even hype up Atul Sharma the legend, doesn't mean Atul Sharma is suddenly going to be rated alongside Dennis Lillee lol. Pant stock has risen up in the cricketing world purely because of pundits, neutral journalists and famous ex players. Some examples are below..

    "Rishabh Pant reminds me of Adam Gilchrist: Glenn McGrath"

    https://www.crictracker.com/rishabh-...glenn-mcgrath/

    "Rishabh Pant an absolute superstar, has got MS Dhoni, Adam Gilchrist-like batting style: Michael Clarke"

    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cri...941-2021-01-20

    "Rishabh Pant bats with the impudence and ingenuity to rival Adam Gilchrist as the great disruptor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...lchrist-great/

    These are just some of the examples. I rate Rizwan as a very good and impressive wicket keeper batsman. If he keeps up his form, forget about Indian or Pakistani fans, the media will automatically rate Rizwan highly just like they rate Babar Azam. Though I'm not so sure about the Sanga bit lol, Sanga is up there with the greatest players to have ever played the game. Arguably the second greatest left handed batsman in the modern era post 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    Because you are comparing Pant to Gilly whose keeping was never questioned and has 3 clutch WC final innings etc to his name. If you going to compare below average keeper who can bat to all time great like GIlly anyone would either get triggered and call you out as delusional.
    Gilly has 2 such not 3. Pant also has 2 clutch overseas test innings to his name which helped his team win the test series in Australia and he also had a magnificent 159 in last tour in another series win in Australia. That is as big as winning a World Cup. And he is only 23.

    Try again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    But you didn't give me answer to my question. Why do you get triggered when posters say that Pant is next Gilly? Is Gilly a GOD according to you? Never seen you getting triggered when someone says, Rohit is next Sehwag given that you are a Sehwag fan and his test record is far superior to Rohit.

    Also, why are you hell bent on Pant's stats in every other country? Can't he have a few bad series in his career. Do you know that Gilly also averaged 28 in India and 25 in UAE also. Pretty much every single great specialist batsman let alone wicket keeper bat, has failed in 2-3 countries except a few. So, why you are so much on only Pant's stats for that?
    Because your question was stupid and something you are assuming. It's like asking 'hey, why are you replying in this thread and not in Pak thread blah blah'. It's my choice where I want to put my thoughts on and which topic I choose to reply to lol. I don't worship Sehwag either. I have actually posted my opinion on some Sachin vs Kohli discussion though. Read them if you can find them.

    And why shouldn't I post about Pant's stats in other countries? How exactly are you going to compare players in threads like these if I and others don't post stats of these 2 players? You are slowly getting into that territory where people starts getting irritated by different opinions. Your stupid questions prove that. Discuss their stats please. Won't mind if Pant wins or Rizwan win this battle but at least don't kill the discussion by saying things like "why are you hell bent on Pant's stats in every other country" lol. Australia is just A in SENA. Let him do well in at least two countries. I will also praise him just like I praised him after his innings in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    I keep saying this. The opinions of random anonymous posters on an internet forum matters jacksh*t on how a cricketer is rated in the actual cricketing world. If some random Sharma or "Indian cricket fanatic" or "Passionate Indian" hypes up Pant as the next Gilchrist, that would have zero influence on how Pant is going to be perceived in the wider cricketing world. This is why I often get amused at posters trying to convince another poster that so and so cricketer is good or not good because frankly, we are not important enough to influence the legacy of a cricketer.

    If a player is actually good, his stocks would automatically rise up in the cricketing world among the ex players, commentators and pundits, no one needs to push any narrative to do that. Pant is hailed as the "next Gilchrist" not because Indian fans say so. Indian fans would even hype up Atul Sharma the legend, doesn't mean Atul Sharma is suddenly going to be rated alongside Dennis Lillee lol. Pant stock has risen up in the cricketing world purely because of pundits, neutral journalists and famous ex players. Some examples are below..

    "Rishabh Pant reminds me of Adam Gilchrist: Glenn McGrath"

    https://www.crictracker.com/rishabh-...glenn-mcgrath/

    "Rishabh Pant an absolute superstar, has got MS Dhoni, Adam Gilchrist-like batting style: Michael Clarke"

    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cri...941-2021-01-20

    "Rishabh Pant bats with the impudence and ingenuity to rival Adam Gilchrist as the great disruptor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...lchrist-great/

    These are just some of the examples. I rate Rizwan as a very good and impressive wicket keeper batsman. If he keeps up his form, forget about Indian or Pakistani fans, the media will automatically rate Rizwan highly just like they rate Babar Azam. Though I'm not so sure about the Sanga bit lol, Sanga is up there with the greatest players to have ever played the game. Arguably the second greatest left handed batsman in the modern era post 70s.
    No, you are wrong. Those guys are also licking Pant's boots lol. And since Glenn McGrath is saying that Pant reminds him of Gilchrist, according to one of our posters here , it means that McGrath is saying that Pant is better than Gilchrist, lol

    Never seen any comparison of Rizwan with Sanga though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Please donít let facts get in the way of this worshipping.

    The sample size is so small for both, yet one is being lauded as a potential ATG already, while the other is being projected as potentially Pakistanís greatest keeper. Let them play a bit more, and then judge.

    Those away stats for Pant are horrendous though, must say. Wasnít Pant no where to be seen around a year or so ago? Dont follow Indian cricket much, so donít really remember. Saha was the test keeper if I remember correctly?
    Saha was preferred because of his wicketkeeping not batting. Saha played in that 36 all out game whereas Pant was the one who scored a century in day night practice game before that match. Not sure why didn't he play in the first game only his fans can tell. Not sure what would have happened had Pant played in the first game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Because your question was stupid and something you are assuming. It's like asking 'hey, why are you replying in this thread and not in Pak thread blah blah'. It's my choice where I want to put my thoughts on and which topic I choose to reply to lol. I don't worship Sehwag either. I have actually posted my opinion on some Sachin vs Kohli discussion though. Read them if you can find them.

    And why shouldn't I post about Pant's stats in other countries? How exactly are you going to compare players in threads like these if I and others don't post stats of these 2 players? You are slowly getting into that territory where people starts getting irritated by different opinions. Your stupid questions prove that. Discuss their stats please. Won't mind if Pant wins or Rizwan win this battle but at least don't kill the discussion by saying things like "why are you hell bent on Pant's stats in every other country" lol. Australia is just A in SENA. Let him do well in at least two countries. I will also praise him just like I praised him after his innings in Australia.
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh Pant:-

    Averages away:-

    Australia - 27
    South Africa - 36
    West Indies - 27
    England - 65( but best knock was 69*)

    For Pant, you already posted.

    Go, now do the comparison if you are not getting triggered now. And Babar is a specialist bat while Pant is a keeper bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    No, you are wrong. Those guys are also licking Pant's boots lol. And since Glenn McGrath is saying that Pant reminds him of Gilchrist, according to one of our posters here , it means that McGrath is saying that Pant is better than Gilchrist, lol

    Never seen any comparison of Rizwan with Sanga though.
    I rate Rizwan highly because his performances have always come whenever Pakistan was in trouble. In that regard, he's even better than Babar and Pakistan's best clutch batsman. But Sanga is overdoing it. Firstly, Sanga is only a notch below the trio of SRT/Lara/Ponting. So if Rizwan is "at least" as good as Sanga, that's like saying Sanga is the lowest threshold for Rizwan's calibre lol.

    Also it doesn't make sense because Sanga's batting went up to the next level only when he dropped the gloves. As a keeper, he was still a very impressive batsman, but once he became a specialist batsman, he became an ATG batsman. So bit weird comparing both, unless Rizwan has any plans to drop the gloves for Sarfaraz and become a specialist bat in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    I keep saying this. The opinions of random anonymous posters on an internet forum matters jacksh*t on how a cricketer is rated in the actual cricketing world. If some random Sharma or "Indian cricket fanatic" or "Passionate Indian" hypes up Pant as the next Gilchrist, that would have zero influence on how Pant is going to be perceived in the wider cricketing world. This is why I often get amused at posters trying to convince another poster that so and so cricketer is good or not good because frankly, we are not important enough to influence the legacy of a cricketer.

    If a player is actually good, his stocks would automatically rise up in the cricketing world among the ex players, commentators and pundits, no one needs to push any narrative to do that. Pant is hailed as the "next Gilchrist" not because Indian fans say so. Indian fans would even hype up Atul Sharma the legend, doesn't mean Atul Sharma is suddenly going to be rated alongside Dennis Lillee lol. Pant stock has risen up in the cricketing world purely because of pundits, neutral journalists and famous ex players. Some examples are below..

    "Rishabh Pant reminds me of Adam Gilchrist: Glenn McGrath"

    https://www.crictracker.com/rishabh-...glenn-mcgrath/

    "Rishabh Pant an absolute superstar, has got MS Dhoni, Adam Gilchrist-like batting style: Michael Clarke"

    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cri...941-2021-01-20

    "Rishabh Pant bats with the impudence and ingenuity to rival Adam Gilchrist as the great disruptor"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...lchrist-great/

    These are just some of the examples. I rate Rizwan as a very good and impressive wicket keeper batsman. If he keeps up his form, forget about Indian or Pakistani fans, the media will automatically rate Rizwan highly just like they rate Babar Azam. Though I'm not so sure about the Sanga bit lol, Sanga is up there with the greatest players to have ever played the game. Arguably the second greatest left handed batsman in the modern era post 70s.
    So we are going to base our opinions on what players say and then post links of quotes like these to back it up? What are we normal human beings doing here then? Lol there was a poster here who used to debate people based on player's quotes and tried to bring other's opinions down. Not surprisingly people here used the same tactic against him and he ran away.

    Here is a small sample for you too

    Pakistan great Imran Khan calls Irfan Pathan 'India's Wasim Akram in the making' in 2004

    https://m.republicworld.com/sports-n...004-video.html

    How did that turn out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh Pant:-

    Averages away:-

    Australia - 27
    South Africa - 36
    West Indies - 27
    England - 65( but best knock was 69*)

    For Pant, you already posted.

    Go, now do the comparison if you are not getting triggered now. And Babar is a specialist bat while Pant is a keeper bat.
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh? You are getting desperate now lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh? You are getting desperate now lol.
    Please post stats to back whatever your arguments are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh Pant:-

    Averages away:-

    Australia - 27
    South Africa - 36
    West Indies - 27
    England - 65( but best knock was 69*)

    For Pant, you already posted.

    Go, now do the comparison if you are not getting triggered now. And Babar is a specialist bat while Pant is a keeper bat.
    you see babar azam of 2019 to 2021 is completely different than babar of 2016

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    he was averaging in mid 30s during 2016 to 2018 time .he is improving with each passing day .As far w.i consider he was pretty new in that series
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    So we are going to base our opinions on what players say and then post links of quotes like these to back it up? What are we normal human beings doing here then? Lol there was a poster here who used to debate people based on player's quotes and tried to bring other's opinions down. Not surprisingly people here used the same tactic against him and he ran away.

    Here is a small sample for you too

    Pakistan great Imran Khan calls Irfan Pathan 'India's Wasim Akram in the making' in 2004

    https://m.republicworld.com/sports-n...004-video.html

    How did that turn out?
    Way to miss the point. No, I am saying anonymous posters on the internet have zero influence in determining the legacy of a cricketer.

    Just because one ex player said some statement doesn't mean the rest of the cricketing world is going to buy it. Razzaq also said Ahmed Shehzad had more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had. Guess how many in the cricketing world took it seriously. If someone is good, not just one but a majority of the cricketing world will start rating that player. Us fans don't need to hype and push any agenda for that to happen.

    When Babar started performing, a lot of English and Australian commentators started rating him with the best in business. Same with famous journalists and cricket pundits. I'm saying Bhaag Viru Bhaag's, street cricketer's and AB fan's opinions matters jacksh*t in determining the current stock or legacy of a cricketer than ex players like Glenn McGrath, Ricky Ponting, Ian Chappell, Geoff Boycott, Michael Holding or renowned cricket writers and pundits like Gideon Haigh, Jim Maxwell, Jonathan Agnew, Fazeer Mohammed, etc. Sure we can have all our opinions, but ultimately we are inside a bubble that doesn't influence legacies of cricket players. Thinking otherwise would be overestimating our worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Gilly has 2 such not 3. Pant also has 2 clutch overseas test innings to his name which helped his team win the test series in Australia and he also had a magnificent 159 in last tour in another series win in Australia. That is as big as winning a World Cup. And he is only 23.

    Try again!
    Lol at as good as winning the WC. No one player can win you a test match it was a team effort with him playing a good knock these knows that you are mentioning wont even make top 10 knock of all time in tests.

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    Did not realize Babar has been so poor overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    Lol at as good as winning the WC. No one player can win you a test match it was a team effort with him playing a good knock these knows that you are mentioning wont even make top 10 knock of all time in tests.
    No one player can win you a World Cup either. Gilchrist was carried till the WC final. Look at his overall average in World Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    you see babar azam of 2019 to 2021 is completely different than babar of 2016

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    he was averaging in mid 30s during 2016 to 2018 time .he is improving with each passing day .As far w.i consider he was pretty new in that series
    Finally, a good post. Basically, the point is that like most players, everyone will have few bad series at the early part of his career. There is nothing wrong w.r.t that. You do not attack players based on initial part of their career but look at their potential.

    Babar took his time to establish himself in tests and by age of 24, he has started transforming himself and should emain consistent enough in coming time. There will be few bad phases in future but that is part of a career.

    Same applies to Pant. He too took a bit of time to establish himself but his impact is there for everyone to see in the Australia tour and home series vs England. Both were two big series and he scored vital match winning knocks to prove his ability.

    Babar will obviously average higher but Pant will also have a great average as per wicket keeper benchmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Please post stats to back whatever your arguments are.
    What stats? I didn't even say anything about Babar vs Rishabh. Thread is about Rizwan vs Pant. Why are you not discussing their stats?
    I must say you have successfully derailed this thread into a Babar vs Rishabh now judging by the posts above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Babar Azam vs Rishabh Pant:-

    Averages away:-

    Australia - 27
    South Africa - 36
    West Indies - 27
    England - 65( but best knock was 69*)

    For Pant, you already posted.

    Go, now do the comparison if you are not getting triggered now. And Babar is a specialist bat while Pant is a keeper bat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Finally, a good post. Basically, the point is that like most players, everyone will have few bad series at the early part of his career. There is nothing wrong w.r.t that. You do not attack players based on initial part of their career but look at their potential.

    Babar took his time to establish himself in tests and by age of 24, he has started transforming himself and should emain consistent enough in coming time. There will be few bad phases in future but that is part of a career.

    Same applies to Pant. He too took a bit of time to establish himself but his impact is there for everyone to see in the Australia tour and home series vs England. Both were two big series and he scored vital match winning knocks to prove his ability.

    Babar will obviously average higher but Pant will also have a great average as per wicket keeper benchmark.
    No. That was surely not your point. You brought Babar into discussion because you thought his stats are inferior to Pant. Rizwan also in his initial part of his career so why can't these two be compared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    No. That was surely not your point. You brought Babar into discussion because you thought his stats are inferior to Pant. Rizwan also in his initial part of his career so why can't these two be compared?
    Rizwan's age is 28. That is not young and he still has less runs and hundreds than Pant.

    Now sure compare them. I told you, Pant is Gilchrist level talent while Rizwan is Watling level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Way to miss the point. No, I am saying anonymous posters on the internet have zero influence in determining the legacy of a cricketer.

    Just because one ex player said some statement doesn't mean the rest of the cricketing world is going to buy it. Razzaq also said Ahmed Shehzad had more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had. Guess how many in the cricketing world took it seriously. If someone is good, not just one but a majority of the cricketing world will start rating that player. Us fans don't need to hype and push any agenda for that to happen.

    When Babar started performing, a lot of English and Australian commentators started rating him with the best in business. Same with famous journalists and cricket pundits. I'm saying Bhaag Viru Bhaag's, street cricketer's and AB fan's opinions matters jacksh*t in determining the current stock or legacy of a cricketer than ex players like Glenn McGrath, Ricky Ponting, Ian Chappell, Geoff Boycott, Michael Holding or renowned cricket writers and pundits like Gideon Haigh, Jim Maxwell, Jonathan Agnew, Fazeer Mohammed, etc. Sure we can have all our opinions, but ultimately we are inside a bubble that doesn't influence legacies of cricket players. Thinking otherwise would be overestimating our worth.
    Those ex cricketers cant influence pants career, only predict it. Similar was the case with muhammad abbas who was compared to muhammad asif, philander and mcgrath by many pundits but now he might struggle to take more than 150 wickets in his career. Pant is a great talent but only after he can display his talent through preformances similar to his recent ones consistently for the next few years , can i regard him as the successor to gilchrist. Right now rizwan is a less flamboyant and a bit lesser of a matchwinner than pant. In terms of batting both have basicallt played the same amount of matches but it amazes me that there isnt that great of a difference between the next gilchrist and the next watling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHN1293 View Post
    Those ex cricketers cant influence pants career, only predict it. Similar was the case with muhammad abbas who was compared to muhammad asif, philander and mcgrath by many pundits but now he might struggle to take more than 150 wickets in his career. Pant is a great talent but only after he can display his talent through preformances similar to his recent ones consistently for the next few years , can i regard him as the successor to gilchrist. Right now rizwan is a less flamboyant and a bit lesser of a matchwinner than pant. In terms of batting both have basicallt played the same amount of matches but it amazes me that there isnt that great of a difference between the next gilchrist and the next watling.
    When did I say otherwise. When players and pundits compare Pant to Gilchrist, it doesn't mean he has become Gilchrist. It simply means his style of playing the game reminds people of Gilchrist. De Kock also got compared to Gilchrist similarly because he played a similar brand of game to Gilchrist. Not so much now because De Kock is going through a slump of form. Same might happen to Pant too. But that doesn't discount the fact that his brand of cricket (or De Kock's for that matter) is similar to Gilchrist's.

    If we are going to rate players only after playing consistently for 10 years, then we have to rate them only when they're close to their retirement.

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    The rivalry doesnít make sense coz they are not even close to being of same generation..

    The problem is this thread will keep getting bumped based on their performances when Rizwan has way more domestic experience compared to Pant..

    Butler vs Rizwan is more apt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    While you are at it you should also not forget that Rizwan is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of Pant because at 23 he was nowhere near where Pant is now. Rizwan belongs to the league of Ajay Ratra, Taibu, Niall O Brien.
    Similarly, Gilchrist is not fit to tie the shoelaces of Pant because at 23 no one knew who he was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Similarly, Gilchrist is not fit to tie the shoelaces of Pant because at 23 no one knew who he was
    No one is fit to tie Pant's showlaces at this point. The way things are going, he has already surpassed most, if not all the past greats, already. He has two great innings and if he were to retire today, he would be remembered as the greatest keeper bat everrrrr.

    Whereas, Rizwan, well he being 28 years old, his stats are irrelevant. Doesnt matter his average or clutch innings or anything else, he is going to be Watling level ... and even that is pushing it. I would think he is probably Mongia level. Yes that makes sense now. Its all coming to me. I am enlightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    It’s honestly degrading and disrespectful to compare someone like Rizwan with Asif or Salman Butt. Rizwan is such a genuine character with honest patriotism and a desire to serve his country, and has never made any controversy in the press or sought out fame.

    This guy sat quietly on the bench for Karachi Kings and never complained about Sarfaraz keeping him out of the Pakistan team.

    Now he’s got his opportunity to play for his country and he is playing with his heart on his sleeve. Kindly take your comments comparing him to Asif back and apologize.

    Making such claims about anybody, without a shred of evidence or indication, that is a very low bar, whether you do it from behind the anonymity of an internet handle or in person.

    To be frank, I think it’s degrading for people on this thread to speak about Pant’s motivation in terms of “50 million”. Pant is a fierce, honest young lad who has more incentive to serve his country than make some cheap bucks playing IPL. There are more meaningful things in life and Pant is not some money hungry sellout.

    “Pant's incentives and stakes are way too high for him to be a sloppy keeper. He knows that in a 10 year career from now, he can make 30 to 50 million dollars easy.”

    His incentives and stakes are indeed very high. God bless him for his genuine passion to serve his watan and become a great cricketer. Ridiculous that people put a price tag on this.

    Patriotism is good but it's a bit overrated. People want to do well to have a better life. Rizwan lined up for Bangladesh Premier League. That should tell you he wants the pennies. I'm sure you don't want the cash for him but that's not how things work. Pride, passion and money go.hand in hand. The bigger the stakes, the higher the pressure. If one performs under that pressure, they will reap the rewards. Rizwan scores two zeroes or drops a.catch, nobody cares. Atleast he's better than kamran Akmal, atleast he's better than Sarfi. That's what people would say. As far as Pant goes, he's filling the boots of one of the best players of this generation Dhoni. And he's got a billion eye balls on him criticizing his every move. And with that pressure, he won two clutch games that people can only dream of. That's the difference.

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    Pant is not Gilly and Rizwan is not Sangha. Both have just started their career.


    "If this happens I will swim across the Charles River! In winter!" -- OZGOD on NZ batting 6 sessions

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    There is a good chance that Pant can reach Gilly level but it is beyond my imagination that how on earth can Rizwan become Sanga level. It is the most absurd and overhyped statement ever made.

    Rizwan is 28 years old and has 800 test runs. Sanga already had 5000+ test runs, it is pretty comical to say so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    There is a good chance that Pant can reach Gilly level but it is beyond my imagination that how on earth can Rizwan become Sanga level. It is the most absurd and overhyped statement ever made.

    Rizwan is 28 years old and has 800 test runs. Sanga already had 5000+ test runs, it is pretty comical to say so.

    Imagine if someone made the same argument about Gilchrist when he made his Test debut at the age of 28

    Gilchrist is unfit to tie Pantís shoelaces who is well on his way to becoming the GOAT keeper batsman. Had zero runs at the age of 23. Haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Imagine if someone made the same argument about Gilchrist when he made his Test debut at the age of 28

    Gilchrist is unfit to tie Pantís shoelaces who is well on his way to becoming the GOAT keeper batsman.
    Nothing wrong with that. Gilchrist had massive potential when he started at age of 28 and actually his delay happened because of Ian Healy already being part of Aus side before that.

    Rizwan is very good and he doesn't have potential of Gilly but he is more similar to Watling. Watling debuted at same age and since then has scored lot of gritty runs with bat and Rizwan is similar to that. Pant is similar to Gilly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Nothing wrong with that. Gilchrist had massive potential when he started at age of 28 and actually his delay happened because of Ian Healy already being part of Aus side before that.

    Rizwan is very good and he doesn't have potential of Gilly but he is more similar to Watling. Watling debuted at same age and since then has scored lot of gritty runs with bat and Rizwan is similar to that. Pant is similar to Gilly.
    Man I know you really want to hype Pant up but come on please stop using him in the same sentence as Gilchrist. Itís embarrassing.

    You are free to do this after 3-4 more years and Pant has achieved more in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Man I know you really want to hype Pant up but come on please stop using him in the same sentence as Gilchrist. Itís embarrassing.

    You are free to do this after 3-4 more years and Pant has achieved more in his career.
    Pant has already achieved a test series win in Australia by playing an ATG knock in Brisbane. He has ATG potential, will be in the league of greats of the game. And I am not even hyping him. His ceiling is very high.

    You can bookmark this post and come few years later and see where he belongs across all formats.

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    Rizwan is a clean keeper and a reliable bat.
    Pant is a maverick and has a long way to go keeping wise.
    Pant has played a couple of match winning innings in Test Cricket which some players may not play in their lifetime. so that is that.

    Overall, Since Pant plays for a team which plays more Test Cricket and has better player development, with time Pant will has a chance of a better career and being remembered as a legend. But he has to stay on course on what he is doing.

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    Ok I just saw the full highlights of Rizwan's 95 in Aus.

    He can bat, I give you that, I underrated him a bit. We already know his glovework is better than Pant's.

    However I still havent changed my opinion; Rizwan is not in Pant's league with the bat, Pant could be headed for big things, teams specifically game plan to take him out....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Ok I just saw the full highlights of Rizwan's 95 in Aus.

    He can bat, I give you that, I underrated him a bit. We already know his glovework is better than Pant's.

    However I still havent changed my opinion; Rizwan is not in Pant's league with the bat, Pant could be headed for big things, teams specifically game plan to take him out....
    Yeah but can't hold on to their catches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Yeah but can't hold on to their catches.
    Same way opposition planned to take out Sehwag but then he got lucky with a few dropped catches per innings


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Yes like Sehwag used to get lucky with a few dropped catches per innings
    Thread is not about Sehwag or Babar Azam. Kindly stay on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Thread is not about Sehwag or Babar Azam. Kindly stay on topic.
    Last I checked the thread isn't about batsmen surviving dropped catches

    Rizwan was dropped early in Aus on his way to his 95 in Aus, no one talking about it, he was also dropped by the South Africans


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    Rizwan is a clean keeper and a reliable bat.
    Pant is a maverick and has a long way to go keeping wise.
    Pant has played a couple of match winning innings in Test Cricket which some players may not play in their lifetime. so that is that.

    Overall, Since Pant plays for a team which plays more Test Cricket and has better player development, with time Pant will has a chance of a better career and being remembered as a legend. But he has to stay on course on what he is doing.
    Pant will win matches for India from impossible situations

    Rizwan will save Pakistan from humiliation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Pant will win matches for India from impossible situations

    Rizwan will save Pakistan from humiliation.
    Well Rizwan also pulled off Pakistan against SA to better situation, as did Pant did against England.
    It is just Pant's style is more breathtaking and a bit crazy as of now.. So his innings get more notice.

    Rizwan is methodical, Pant is a maverick. Both are good batsmen, Rizwan much better wicket keeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    No one player can win you a World Cup either. Gilchrist was carried till the WC final. Look at his overall average in World Cup.
    As I said the knocks you are mentioning wont even make top 10 knocks of all time is tests hell it wont make even his career if he doesnt continue to perform.

    Ans yes Gilchrist did not win the WC for Australia but he showed he could perform at the biggest of stages right at the top when many couldnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    As I said the knocks you are mentioning wont even make top 10 knocks of all time is tests hell it wont make even his career if he doesnt continue to perform.

    Ans yes Gilchrist did not win the WC for Australia but he showed he could perform at the biggest of stages right at the top when many couldnt.
    Are you saying unbeaten overseas 89 in chase of 320 on 5th day in Aus has been done before? Dude just for context Pakistan's last win in Aus was 26 years ago. Their last draw was 21 years ago.

    Those knocks Pant played (97 to draw a match in 4th innings and 89 not out to win) are definitely ATG ones. How many ATG batsmen from sub continent have such knocks in Aus? How many from the world have?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    As I said the knocks you are mentioning wont even make top 10 knocks of all time is tests hell it wont make even his career if he doesnt continue to perform.

    Ans yes Gilchrist did not win the WC for Australia but he showed he could perform at the biggest of stages right at the top when many couldnt.
    Test Cricket has been playing from last 150 years and being in the top 10 greatest knocks of all-time is in itself an unbelievable feat.

    Fact is Rishabh Pant has won his team a test series win in Australia twice and won a home series vs England too. No Asian keeper has ever achieved this, let alone doing it as a standout keeper batsman in both test series.

    What we are just witnessing is an incredible batsman and that is even from Indian batting talent calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Are you saying unbeaten overseas 89 in chase of 320 on 5th day in Aus has been done before? Dude just for context Pakistan's last win in Aus was 26 years ago. Their last draw was 21 years ago.

    Those knocks Pant played (97 to draw a match in 4th innings and 89 not out to win) are definitely ATG ones. How many ATG batsmen from sub continent have such knocks in Aus? How many from the world have?
    So Pakistan has not won in 26 years mean its an impossible task? Did not realize Pakistan was such a great team? Pakistan has never performed in Australia since mid 90s with good or bad teams specially in Tests. Pakistan performances in Australia are irrelevant but even from Pakistan there have been some individual performance of the same calibre but you need a team to win test matches in Australia or anywhere for that matter.

    Pant performances were good but by noway he was the only one from his team to perform on the day either there have been bigger solo acts too many to even list.

    His performances were good and contributed to India winning but not so great that we turn our blind eyes to his other failure and poor keeping. He deserves his place in a strong Indian team due to those performances and thats why he is in the team.

    I have my doubts over his long term utility if his keeping does not improve but nobody knows the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Test Cricket has been playing from last 150 years and being in the top 10 greatest knocks of all-time is in itself an unbelievable feat.

    Fact is Rishabh Pant has won his team a test series win in Australia twice and won a home series vs England too. No Asian keeper has ever achieved this, let alone doing it as a standout keeper batsman in both test series.

    What we are just witnessing is an incredible batsman and that is even from Indian batting talent calibre.
    As I said his knocks were good but wont make top 10 by long way. His is a good batman who deserve his place in a strong Indian team for now on the back of those performances.

    I have explained me reservation on him more than once before and I cant see how India will carry a keeper whos keeping is at his current levels unless ofcourse he can play those innings regularly which would be very unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    As I said his knocks were good but wont make top 10 by long way. His is a good batman who deserve his place in a strong Indian team for now on the back of those performances.

    I have explained me reservation on him more than once before and I cant see how India will carry a keeper whos keeping is at his current levels unless ofcourse he can play those innings regularly which would be very unlikely.
    The opinions of cricketing fraternity around the world only matters, not yours. Pant is the next Gilchrist in making. Deal with it, he is a special talent even by Indian standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    As I said his knocks were good but wont make top 10 by long way. His is a good batman who deserve his place in a strong Indian team for now on the back of those performances.

    I have explained me reservation on him more than once before and I cant see how India will carry a keeper whos keeping is at his current levels unless ofcourse he can play those innings regularly which would be very unlikely.
    Every single cricket exlet expert diaahress with you about his innings

    And its hilarious you talk about his current keeping level when the recent series he pulled some outstanding dismissals which even too keepers would struggle and out kept Foakes easily.

    It's clear you haven't watched a single match and just say stuff when very single expert have said his keeping and improved 100 times and he was outstanding in the current series


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    While I am ok with Rizwan. I find Pant more exciting. Iíd pay to watch him over Rizwan any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    The opinions of cricketing fraternity around the world only matters, not yours. Pant is the next Gilchrist in making. Deal with it, he is a special talent even by Indian standards.
    I hope when he plays against Pakistan we deal with him.

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    You know why Pant is considered a special talent even by Indian standards? It's his personality.

    His positive energy, positive attitude, unselfishnes, and frankly a bubbly persona, will be an asset to his career (most Indian players either have a dull personality, are pretentious, of full of superiority complex). Pant is neither of the 3.

    Rizwan is the same, also stands out with his personality among Pakistan players.

    Both are players have the potential to be great players in the future.

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    Pant's Odi stats are improving

    Back to back brilliant knocks against the World Champions

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    One can only laugh at the ignorant people who thought or still think that Rizwan is a better white ball batsman.

    As good as Rizwan is, and he is excellent for Pakistanís low standards, Pant is something else. He will be an all-time great in all three formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanRyan10 View Post
    Pant's Odi stats are improving

    Back to back brilliant knocks against the World Champions
    Also keeping well

    Some wides he saved today were crucial


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    Pant looks like a batsman who keeps( and is good), whilst Riz is WK who bats( very well). We will see the quality of Pants WK this summer as Riz last year was brilliant. As far as the batting goes, Riz is a good player but atm Pant is on higher level, not too far off from being amongst the best in the World.


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