[VIDEO/PICTURES] Shaheen Shah Afridi versus Mohammad Amir

[Saj]

Seemed that as soon as Amir came into bat, Shaheen upped his aggression.

First ball a bouncer and then a few words exchanged also between the 2 of them.

Then Shaheen got Amir out. Thought there may have been a send-off from Shaheen but he thought better of it.

[Nado_]

Nice to see our top pacer fired up. Iif he is to lead the attack for the coming years he needs to have the aggressive edge, bit of feistiness about him too.

Sorry to say but this was better to see than the pseudo aggression I saw from Hassan Ali the other day which was pure pointless.

[Suleiman]

Amir deserved everything coming his way, a cheater and a quitter. Shaheen showed good quality aggression, no over the top antics. Hasan take notes.

[Bewal Express]

These competitive edges is what's making the tournament come alive. Great to see

[Firebat]

Congratulations Shaheen, you only succeeded in firing Amir up. This is amazing high-energy cricket to watch

[Rafa]

Any video of the clash ?

[Ryw]

That s the Amir we want, fired up Amir is a danger to world cricket...

[marlonbrowndo]

If only Amir was this excited when playing for Pak. I’d take shaheen any day. He’s much younger too

[Last Monetarist]

Pity these two can't channel this energy in international cricket. If they are to conserve effort, I'd rather they phone it in for domestic matches.

[Abid Z]

I thought amir bowled beautifully today. His first two over were phenomenal. Pin point accuracy and clever variations. SSA has nowhere near this level of skill. Amirs last two over went for a bit more but in reality there were some lucky edges by weise. Great game though and good to see the mongrel coming out in these bowlers.

[Rayyman]

Apparently the Shaheen send off was because Hafeez told him to.

Shaheen is a good young talent tho. He can be as good as Amir if he works hard inshaAllah.

As of now Amir is still the best.

[Saj]

Shaheen shouldn't have woken him up.

As a result of that, Amir was fired up and bowled two very good overs at the start of the LQ innings.

[Slim]

Shaheen showed great passion, bowled like a champ which he does in every match unlike Aamir who apparently has to be "fired up" to bowl decently..

Aamir can only wish he can bowl yorkers like Shaheen.

[Ellipsism]

One represents his country with pride in every format of the game.

The other turned his back on the country twice, after being given a chance to redeem himself that no other country would have offered.

I think that sums it up.

[Stewie]

They both bowled well and Aamir surely was fired up but I think the yorkers Shaheen bowled today were astounding. I don’t think Aamir can bowl yorkers like those ..

[SM1989]

It was a poor display of manners from Amir when bowling. He was very disrespectful. Thankfully poetic justice was served and he failed to bowl well at the end and his team lost.

[hitthestump]

One represents his country with pride in every format of the game.

The other turned his back on the country twice, after being given a chance to redeem himself that no other country would have offered.

I think that sums it up.

And yet gets fired up when a fellow international star essentially calls him out (not literally, but the attitude towards him said it all).

Wish Amir would play for Pakistan and not just for himself.

[Guardian]

One represents his country with pride in every format of the game.

The other turned his back on the country twice, after being given a chance to redeem himself that no other country would have offered.

I think that sums it up.

Summed it up beautifully.

[Savak]

Lol, look at Shaheen's workload, still cranks it up to 145-152 km/hr if needed and unlike Amir doesn't resort to 127-132 km/hr stuff and doesn't cry about workload.

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Amir is a big match player. He is a known quantity in ICC tournaments. The relationship needs to be repaired and he needs to go on record and offer an apology and move on for the greater good.

[Stewie]

Amir is a big match player. He is a known quantity in ICC tournaments. The relationship needs to be repaired and he needs to go on record and offer an apology and move on for the greater good.

At this point, I will be quite content with him not playing for Pakistan again. We gave him plenty of benefits of doubt and chances and he bailed out over disagreement with coaching and workload? How many players quite the team over this sort of stuff?

[Nado_]

One represents his country with pride in every format of the game.

The other turned his back on the country twice, after being given a chance to redeem himself that no other country would have offered.

I think that sums it up.

100%

Mohammed Amir doesn’t deserve the green shirt again. Your country accepted you after you cheated it, you should be humble and grateful and repay the favour, when your country needed you in tests you bailed out and left the team to tour Australia with rookies. Good riddance to this guy.

Didn’t agree with him at the time as I along with others were still infatuated with his “talent” and desperately wanted him back, but Hafeez was right about him.

Once a sell out always a sell out , if he had the shame to sell his country out once hel do it again. He sold out for a few bucks with the no balls and he sold out again to these leagues etc.

[YousafTheBeast]

Shaheen gets Babar out and he puts his arms around him.

Shaheen gets Amir out and he gives him a send off.

This can only mean one thing, the wicket of Amir was more important than the wicket of Babar.

[Ertugrul_Bey]

People who are comparing Shaheen with Amir have short term memory. While Amir has proven himself time and time again at international level, Shaheen has still to win us a game or a series.

Nothing to take away from Shaheen as he is been the best bowler of PSL so far but Amir is in a different league all together when he is fired up like today. Imad should have brought him earlier to break the partner ship or have him bowled the first three overs in pp. Poor captaincy lead to misuse of Amir’s overs and hence the result.

[BunnyRabbit]

Shaheen is an awesome character. He possesses the skills and pace to inject life in the game when he gets fired up. Since Amir pre ban and a prime Umar Gul, Shaheen is the one that is really pleasing to watch. Hope he keeps improving.

[wajid]

I thought amir bowled beautifully today. His first two over were phenomenal. Pin point accuracy and clever variations. SSA has nowhere near this level of skill. Amirs last two over went for a bit more but in reality there were some lucky edges by weise. Great game though and good to see the mongrel coming out in these bowlers.

Here I am dreaming of treats like cranking up rivalry b/w Amir and shaheen. It would be a treat and great for game and Pakistan if that can be channeled into performances for Pakistan like the one we had for Wasim and Waqar.

But then we have some ground realities and I wonder how much we are loosing on. Hoping for things to work out for pak cricket....

[Stewie]

Here I am dreaming of treats like cranking up rivalry b/w Amir and shaheen. It would be a treat and great for game and Pakistan if that can be channeled into performances for Pakistan like the one we had for Wasim and Waqar.

But then we have some ground realities and I wonder how much we are loosing on. Hoping for things to work out for pak cricket....

I don’t know I always felt amir was completely demotivated to bend his back when he used to play for Pakistan. Except for a few occasions, it seemed he was content just lumbering up to the crease and letting it go. The passion and fore was really missing.. the one exception was the ICCT ..

Maybe it’s the overall context, money involved, fame.. I don’t know. But they say he is man for the big occasions and it’s true because he would only bend his back on the big occasions. Even if he comes back, I think Afridi will outperform him 8/10 because Afridi always puts in effort. He does not shy away from hard work.

Just my opinion, the reality could be completely different from my perception.

[Savak]

Lol it has nothing to do with Motivation. Amir just cant consistently operate like he did today. When you can't perform at your best 90% of the times, you are not good enough period.

[Aviator]

He must have been too fired up when he bowled those no balls for few cents...

[angrypathan]

Shaheen gets Babar out and he puts his arms around him.

Shaheen gets Amir out and he gives him a send off.

This can only mean one thing, the wicket of Amir was more important than the wicket of Babar.

Or rather that Shaheen has very little respect for Amir, and really, why would he? He is a convicted fixer who refuses to play for the country that Shaheen busts his guts out to represent. He is the same guy who retired as Shaheen was just coming into the test team, leaving him the huge responsibility of carrying the attack at the age of 19. It's perfectly understandable if Shaheen doesn't like Amir

[MenInG]

Video add to OP

[ChTab]

Shaheen is a top quality bowler but I feel his aggression is sometimes went missing in international arena. Hope he can be this aggressive in international matches as well. TBH I really enjoyed Shaheen's bowling last night.

[Gullycricket]

Anyone know if there is any background to this rivalry or it was random bouts of aggression

[street cricketer]

Was watching the highlights and I have to say it was a pretty fired up celebration from Shaheen against Amir, almost as if the two had a personal grudge with each other.

And Shaheen is an absolute jet. Those yorkers were too good. I'm not sold on the likes of Hasan Ali and Naseem Shah, I think they're a bit too short to get consistent success overseas but Shaheen is already a gun in LOI cricket and it's only a matter of time before he finds his feet in test cricket too. He has got everything you could ask for from a pacer - height, pace, swing, yorkers, etc. He just needs more experience to become more accurate to match up with the likes of Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada et al in test cricket.

[Hasan123]

Shaheen got Babar out but still gave him a slight embrace. He got Amir but really made a point of celebrating in front of his face. If I had to guess I think Shaheen may not like the way Amir has handled himself in the last few months, Amir has been called our best bowler by some. Shaheen has every right to think that he is the premier Pakistan bowler. The celebration could be letting Amir know that as well.

[ChTab]

A player like Amir deserves this kind of treatment. Amir is probably the worst thing that happened to Pakistan cricket, he is unbelievably selfish. 1st he sold out his country for few dollars, it was a mistake from PCB when they allowed him to make a return to the international circuit. & this is the exact reason I'm against the inclusion of Sharjeel in the Pakistani team no matter how many centuries he scores in PSL & other leagues around the world.

[shamaan]

Apparently the Shaheen send off was because Hafeez told him to.

Shaheen is a good young talent tho. He can be as good as Amir if he works hard inshaAllah.

As of now Amir is still the best.

Hes already surpassed amir a long time ago

[ChTab]

A player like Amir deserves this kind of treatment. Amir is probably the worst thing that happened to Pakistan cricket, he is unbelievably selfish.

1st he sold out his country for a few dollars & when Pakistan needed him most he decided to retire from test cricket to elongate his T20 career. Recalling him to international was a big mistake from PCB & this is the exact reason I'm against the inclusion of Sharjeel in the Pakistani team no matter how many centuries he scores in PSL & other leagues around the world.

[iPakistani]

Shaheen shouldn't have woken him up.

As a result of that, Amir was fired up and bowled two very good overs at the start of the LQ innings.

Yes and fired up Amir lost the match conceding 20 runs in the penultimate over for his team lol.

[ChTab]

Apparently the Shaheen send off was because Hafeez told him to.

Shaheen is a good young talent tho. He can be as good as Amir if he works hard inshaAllah.

As of now Amir is still the best.

Shaheen is already miles ahead of Amir. The only thing Amir is better at is probably the control & Shaheen will get that with the experience.

[Forum363]

A player like Amir deserves this kind of treatment. Amir is probably the worst thing that happened to Pakistan cricket, he is unbelievably selfish. 1st he sold out his country for few dollars, it was a mistake from PCB when they allowed him to make a return to the international circuit. & this is the exact reason I'm against the inclusion of Sharjeel in the Pakistani team no matter how many centuries he scores in PSL & other leagues around the world.

So Amir has a decent hand to play in the only 2 trophies we've won in the past 3 decades but he's the worst thing to happen to Pakistan?

Yes the fixing was a dark episode, but he is hardly the only fixer we've had in our history, why single him out. PCB didn't allow him back out of the goodness of their heart. A half fit, half motivated Amir was still better than anything that we put out in his absence.

Now that we have a quality bowler in Shaheen, we shouldn't rewrite the past and forget Amir's services despite his shortcomings.

The likes of Kamran Akmal have had a far worse impact on Pakistan cricket than Amir ever will even if he comes back into the team and fixes again.

[shamaan]

Best in the world shaheen in limited overs .With the new ball and old ball.

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Amir being overrated too much on here. He is somewhat skillful but the pace is no longer there. Crazy because hes not even 30 yet. Guy is yesterday's news.

Shaheen is the present and future.

[shamaan]

Amir would only wish to get babar out with a delivery like shaheen got babar

[ChTab]

but he is hardly the only fixer we've had in our history, why single him out.

The likes of Kamran Akmal have had a far worse impact on Pakistan cricket than Amir ever will even if he comes back into the team and fixes again.

You're right he is not the only fixer we've had in our history but he is the only fixer who got to represent Pakistan again.

At least Kamran Akmal wasn't involved in fixing or he wasn't caught by anyone.

[Nado_]

So Amir has a decent hand to play in the only 2 trophies we've won in the past 3 decades but he's the worst thing to happen to Pakistan?

Yes the fixing was a dark episode, but he is hardly the only fixer we've had in our history, why single him out. PCB didn't allow him back out of the goodness of their heart. A half fit, half motivated Amir was still better than anything that we put out in his absence.

Now that we have a quality bowler in Shaheen, we shouldn't rewrite the past and forget Amir's services despite his shortcomings.

The likes of Kamran Akmal have had a far worse impact on Pakistan cricket than Amir ever will even if he comes back into the team and fixes again.

He’s being nice sold out because Pakistan cricket and it’s fan gave him another chance and he sold out again.

[Kroll]

What beef does Shaheen have with Amir? This was quite bizarre.

[Indiafan]

So Amir has a decent hand to play in the only 2 trophies we've won in the past 3 decades but he's the worst thing to happen to Pakistan?

Yes the fixing was a dark episode, but he is hardly the only fixer we've had in our history, why single him out. PCB didn't allow him back out of the goodness of their heart. A half fit, half motivated Amir was still better than anything that we put out in his absence.

Now that we have a quality bowler in Shaheen, we shouldn't rewrite the past and forget Amir's services despite his shortcomings.

The likes of Kamran Akmal have had a far worse impact on Pakistan cricket than Amir ever will even if he comes back into the team and fixes again.

Yusuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan. Ishant Sharma, Sreesanth, won multiple trophies for India, including 2 world cups. Unlike Amir, who was bowling defending a 340+ target, Ishant was defending 120 in 21 overs in CT final, against the batting line up of england, at their home

Yet I have never seen Indians worship these players like they are super stars. Amir has some sort of weird cult like following for being such an under achiever

[Abid Z]

I don’t know I always felt amir was completely demotivated to bend his back when he used to play for Pakistan. Except for a few occasions, it seemed he was content just lumbering up to the crease and letting it go. The passion and fore was really missing.. the one exception was the ICCT ..

Maybe it’s the overall context, money involved, fame.. I don’t know. But they say he is man for the big occasions and it’s true because he would only bend his back on the big occasions. Even if he comes back, I think Afridi will outperform him 8/10 because Afridi always puts in effort. He does not shy away from hard work.

Just my opinion, the reality could be completely different from my perception.

This is a little unfair. Amir never really had very consistent bowling partners. Wahab and Rahat were complete scatter guns and Hasan Ali was injured a lot,early on.
I think a case can be made for SSA, hasan and amir in a LOI set up and it would be a pretty good attack. I do like the aggression shown by these bowlers though. Regularly hitting 140kph and some clever variations on display. The thing you want to see though is clever bowling with controlled aggression not just hot air.

[Forum363]

You're right he is not the only fixer we've had in our history but he is the only fixer who got to represent Pakistan again.

At least Kamran Akmal wasn't involved in fixing or he wasn't caught by anyone.

He was was openly convicted due to news of the world. As is open knowledge, many of the 90's players fixed and continued to play.

Some of those are in important roles within the PCB despite more evidence coming to light after the fact.

Kamraan wasn't caught and I cannot talk with certainty about whether he is a fixer or not. However I can say with complete certainty that his antics in the Sydney test match were a series of deliberate actions to underperform. Fact. Look at the missed runout and I would challenge anyone in the world to suggest that was a 'mistake'.

Aside from fixing, his terrible fitness, attitude and performance haunted Pakistan for hundreds of international matches. We had very useful keepers before him and he was persisted with because 'there were no alternatives'. Both Sarfaraz and Rizwan have been brilliant in periods when given consistent chances. Then you have the likes of Zulqarnain and countless other domestic keepers who would have been able to at least average 20 like Kami but not lose us matches upon matches with their keeping.

[Forum363]

Yusuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan. Ishant Sharma, Sreesanth, won multiple trophies for India, including 2 world cups. Unlike Amir, who was bowling defending a 340+ target, Ishant was defending 120 in 21 overs in CT final, against the batting line up of england, at their home

Yet I have never seen Indians worship these players like they are super stars. Amir has some sort of weird cult like following for being such an under achiever

Its all relative. Compared to the players available to India - Yusuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan. Sreesanth are average. Only Ishant is a quality player and he is in the team so he is being given a chance same as Amir was.

Amir is an under achiever based on his potential but he has achieved a lot for Pakistan. We watch sport for entertainment, joy and probably a bit of jingoism when it comes to Pak v India. On those metrics, Amir has given us some of the best moments as a Pakistan fan.

His wicket of Dilshan in 09. His insane swing bowling against Australia / England on that ill fated tour. His spells against Kohli in different matches after his comeback where he looked to be our only player who even belonged on the field. His Champions Trophy spell against an ATG top order (which could comfortably have chased even the 300+ target), including making a fool out of the GOAT ODI batsman on a flat pitch.

Those are all moments which will be etched in memory as pure euphoria for a fan. That is why so many fans will always have a softspot for Amir.

He betrayed the country, his attitude is not the best and he has massively underachieved. However Pakistan cricket is all the better that he exists.

[street cricketer]

Its all relative. Compared to the players available to India - Yusuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan. Sreesanth are average. Only Ishant is a quality player and he is in the team so he is being given a chance same as Amir was.

Amir is an under achiever based on his potential but he has achieved a lot for Pakistan. We watch sport for entertainment, joy and probably a bit of jingoism when it comes to Pak v India. On those metrics, Amir has given us some of the best moments as a Pakistan fan.

His wicket of Dilshan in 09. His insane swing bowling against Australia / England on that ill fated tour. His spells against Kohli in different matches after his comeback where he looked to be our only player who even belonged on the field. His Champions Trophy spell against an ATG top order (which could comfortably have chased even the 300+ target), including making a fool out of the GOAT ODI batsman on a flat pitch.

Those are all moments which will be etched in memory as pure euphoria for a fan. That is why so many fans will always have a softspot for Amir.

He betrayed the country, his attitude is not the best and he has massively underachieved. However Pakistan cricket is all the better that he exists.

No.

Amir bowled really well but the match was 95% over when Pakistan finished their batting innings.

I see a lot of people say Amir won the CT final and that's really disrespectful to Fakhar who played an incredible knock in the final. Fakhar won the CT final for Pakistan, Amir drove the final nail in the coffin and killed whatever minute chance that India had of chasing the total at halftime.

It's a bit like saying McGrath won the 2003 WC final for Australia by getting Sachin out cheaply. The match got over at half time for India when Ponting helped Australia score 350 odd in the final. McGrath just finished the last rites. Ponting won the 2003 WC for Australia in the final, same with Fakhar.

Funnily enough, both times the Indian captain made an incredible blunder of opting to bat second in an all important final.

[liam26]

Its all relative. Compared to the players available to India - Yusuf Pathan, Irfan Pathan. Sreesanth are average. Only Ishant is a quality player and he is in the team so he is being given a chance same as Amir was.

Amir is an under achiever based on his potential but he has achieved a lot for Pakistan. We watch sport for entertainment, joy and probably a bit of jingoism when it comes to Pak v India. On those metrics, Amir has given us some of the best moments as a Pakistan fan.

His wicket of Dilshan in 09. His insane swing bowling against Australia / England on that ill fated tour. His spells against Kohli in different matches after his comeback where he looked to be our only player who even belonged on the field. His Champions Trophy spell against an ATG top order (which could comfortably have chased even the 300+ target), including making a fool out of the GOAT ODI batsman on a flat pitch.

Those are all moments which will be etched in memory as pure euphoria for a fan. That is why so many fans will always have a softspot for Amir.

He betrayed the country, his attitude is not the best and he has massively underachieved. However Pakistan cricket is all the better that he exists.

So India were going to chase a target of 339 with ease and comfort ? India couldn't even chase 230+ against Boult, Henry and you are saying 339 was a cakewalk.

Don't hype India's batting just because you want to praise Amir.

In order to hype your bowler you would say that India can even chase 400 so defending 400 would be a miraculous performance

The match was 95% in Pakistans favour when the first innings ended.

Maximum that India can chase in ICC tournaments ( not home pitches/Bi-Laterals ) would be around 280-290 even chances of that happening are 50-50.

[aloo paratha]

People who are comparing Shaheen with Amir have short term memory. While Amir has proven himself time and time again at international level, Shaheen has still to win us a game or a series.

Nothing to take away from Shaheen as he is been the best bowler of PSL so far but Amir is in a different league all together when he is fired up like today. Imad should have brought him earlier to break the partner ship or have him bowled the first three overs in pp. Poor captaincy lead to misuse of Amir’s overs and hence the result.

Amir has proven himself at the international level? Proven what? That he's mediocre?

[Saj]

It feels like the baton has been passed from Amir to Shaheen when it comes to Pakistani bowling.

The Lahore versus Karachi match the other night just confirmed that.

[shamaan]

Amir has proven himself at the international level? Proven what? That he's mediocre?

A few good performance and hes now proven to everyone

[aloo paratha]

A few good performance and hes now proven to everyone

If you see Amir and Shaheen right now and think Amir is better I think you have something wrong with you

[Forum363]

If you see Amir and Shaheen right now and think Amir is better I think you have something wrong with you

I don’t think anyone on here has said Amir is better than Shaheen right now?

[aloo paratha]

I don’t think anyone on here has said Amir is better than Shaheen right now?

"Nothing to take away from Shaheen as he is been the best bowler of PSL so far but Amir is in a different league all together when he is fired up like today."

[ChTab]

Amir fans gave him so much unnecessary praise for winning the 2 tournaments for Pakistan when in fact Pakistan won T20 WC in 09 because of Afridi's heroics both with bat & bowl & 17 CT because of Fakhar's hundred. CT final was over before India came into bat.

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Amir fans gave him so much unnecessary praise for winning the 2 tournaments for Pakistan when in fact Pakistan won T20 WC in 09 because of Afridi's heroics both with bat & bowl & 17 CT because of Fakhar's hundred. CT final was over before India came into bat.

Yes because taking out Kohli and Dhawan is piece of cake. Give me the ball and I will do some fast bowling won't make a difference because Fakhar will win the match

[ChTab]

Yes because taking out Kohli and Dhawan is piece of cake. Give me the ball and I will do some fast bowling won't make a difference because Fakhar will win the match

I never said that Amir didn't bowl his heart out that day, I just said that scoreboard pressure was so much that India would have crumbled either way.

[ChTab]

Let's just end this debate by saying that Amir is a traitor who sold his country for easy money & when he got his chance back he once again ditched his country to get easy money from T20 leagues.

On the other hand, Shaheen is someone who has always given his 100 % to his team.

In the only ICC tournament in which both Amir & Shaheen played, Shaheen despite being a teenager outperformed the so-called best bowler in Pakistan.

Amir: 8 matches 17 wkts at an average of 21.05 & economy of 4.90
Shaheen: 5 matches 16 wkts at an average of 14.62 & economy of 4.96

[Thunderbolt14]

Shaheen looks to be influenced by Hafeez’s views on Amir and I am all for it. Here’s a fun fact:

If Shaheen steers clear of fixing and controversy, he will only be the second Pakistan pace superstar with a substantial career since 1992 to never be involved in off the field issues.

In a world full of Wasims, Waqars, Akhtars, Amirs, and Asifs, I would be more than happy if Shaheen tried to stay like Umar Gul off the field.

This aggression by Shaheen towards Amir can only signal an immense disrespect for someone who has sold out his country for money once, got laid a red carpet for his comeback, gave a couple good performances, and then sold it out again.

[ChTab]

Shaheen looks to be influenced by Hafeez’s views on Amir and I am all for it.

We need more people who agree with Hafeez's views in our society so that these fixers can never be allowed to play for Pakistan again.

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I never said that Amir didn't bowl his heart out that day, I just said that scoreboard pressure was so much that India would have crumbled either way.

Sure but what would have happened if Abbas had opened the bowling?

[ChTab]

If Shaheen steers clear of fixing and controversy, he will only be the second Pakistan pace superstar with a substantial career since 1992 to never be involved in off-the-field issues.

In a world full of Wasims, Waqars, Akhtars, Amirs, and Asif's, I would be more than happy if Shaheen tried to stay like Umar Gul off the field.

This aggression by Shaheen towards Amir can only signal an immense disrespect for someone who has sold out his country for money once, got laid a red carpet for his comeback, gave a couple good performances, and then sold it out again.

I wish that no Pakistani player ever gets caught in fixing again & that's the reason I'm so vocal about not selecting Sharjeel in Pakistan's squad again.

[ChTab]

Sure but what would have happened if Abbas had opened the bowling?

Don't know what could've happened but keep in mind that Abbas has performed on dead pitches in UAE so no one knows he might have performed even better & keep in mind that Hassan was there as well & he was the best pacer in that tournament, you just can't say that Amir won that game on his own & give him all the credit for CT17 triumph.

[Thunderbolt14]

We need more people who agree with Hafeez's views in our society so that these fixers can never be allowed to play for Pakistan again.

What is scary is that there are more people who will side with Amir than Hafeez regarding fixing. There are people who are happy that Umar Akmal is making a comeback with a reduced ban. There are more Punjabis who say about political leaders things like “corrupt but competent” and “it’s okay if he steals but at least he gave us the Metro Bus” than there are those who will say otherwise.

Our nation has a serious problem with “forgiving” people because we have been brainwashed into thinking that there is no one more competent than these corrupt folks. Amir was a gun player for a long time and I respect his services to Pakistan cricket, but in light of his recent performances, it is hard not to admit that his time is up. He occasionally gets charged up, but for the most part his body is giving up on him and he is not taking the appropriate advice from technical analysts to keep his body in top condition. In addition, he made it a point to make sure he cannot get selected by bashing the current management.

This suggests he is not too concerned with his declining speeds, and is more than happy to maintain his speeds at 135-140 via rest in between high paying league cricket. If he were committed, he would be consulting the likes of Catherine Dalton, Ian Pont, Luke Hemphrey, Shoaib Akhtar, or Steffan Jones or making trips to the Australian Cricket Institute, the Dennis Lillee Bowling Academy, and England’s National Fast Bowling Academy to have his bowling action analyzed on video with his technicals broken down and appropriate drills, workload, and diet formulated into a plan.

Amir just does not have that drive these days, and I wish he did, because the ability is there.

[ChTab]

What is scary is that there are more people who will side with Amir than Hafeez regarding fixing.

That is the problem with our country, we as a nation don't have any ethical values.

There are people who are happy that Umar Akmal is making a comeback with a reduced ban.

Let him make his comeback but the real problem will occur when people will get him into their Pakistan XI. Like now as in threads I don't take anyone seriously if he has Sharjeel in their squad my mind sometimes thinks that these people might not even care about earning halaal or haram if they're given the chance.

There are more Punjabis who say about political leaders things like “corrupt but competent” and “it’s okay if he steals but at least he gave us the Metro Bus” than there are those who will say otherwise.

you're 100 % right.

[Bonafide Hustler]

What is scary is that there are more people who will side with Amir than Hafeez regarding fixing. There are people who are happy that Umar Akmal is making a comeback with a reduced ban. There are more Punjabis who say about political leaders things like “corrupt but competent” and “it’s okay if he steals but at least he gave us the Metro Bus” than there are those who will say otherwise.

Our nation has a serious problem with “forgiving” people because we have been brainwashed into thinking that there is no one more competent than these corrupt folks. Amir was a gun player for a long time and I respect his services to Pakistan cricket, but in light of his recent performances, it is hard not to admit that his time is up. He occasionally gets charged up, but for the most part his body is giving up on him and he is not taking the appropriate advice from technical analysts to keep his body in top condition. In addition, he made it a point to make sure he cannot get selected by bashing the current management.

This suggests he is not too concerned with his declining speeds, and is more than happy to maintain his speeds at 135-140 via rest in between high paying league cricket. If he were committed, he would be consulting the likes of Catherine Dalton, Ian Pont, Luke Hemphrey, Shoaib Akhtar, or Steffan Jones or making trips to the Australian Cricket Institute, the Dennis Lillee Bowling Academy, and England’s National Fast Bowling Academy to have his bowling action analyzed on video with his technicals broken down and appropriate drills, workload, and diet formulated into a plan.

Amir just does not have that drive these days, and I wish he did, because the ability is there.

What are on about? Pakistani society is one of the least forgiving. We want to burn people who do little wrong.

Amir was a kid who was influenced and it wasn't easy to come back from what he went through at the peak stage of his career. People like Hafeez don't believe in second chances but its wrong to create a negative environment around a player that is already being hated on.

Amir hasn't performed that well so probably deserves to be out of the team but hardly anyone in Pakistan is soft on crime. Its the total opposite.

[MHN1293]

Amir served his time as punishment for the scandal but what i dont like about him is the fact that he was respectfully greeted back into the team is included in mostly every squad and game. He then proceeds to preform horribly in lois but is still trusted for the world cup where he is out preformed by a 18 year old. Then retires from test cricket which is understood by the management as his decision to make. Keeps regularly featuring in most games and after a injury/thrashing in england is dropped/rested for 1 series, just 3 t201s(the zimbabwe one was really important and youngsters were rightfull trued instead of him) and due to that makes the whole drama of torture and retires as if pakistan are missing kuch without him. Proves that by a so far mediocre psl.

[Indiafan]

What are on about? Pakistani society is one of the least forgiving. We want to burn people who do little wrong.

Amir was a kid who was influenced and it wasn't easy to come back from what he went through at the peak stage of his career. People like Hafeez don't believe in second chances but its wrong to create a negative environment around a player that is already being hated on.

Amir hasn't performed that well so probably deserves to be out of the team but hardly anyone in Pakistan is soft on crime. Its the total opposite.

Except Pakistan and PCB didnt ban Amir. A thoussand times more people praise Amir than those who criticize him

PCB would never ever have banned him for so long. If it was upto PCB and Pak fans, Amir would have been back playing cricket in 6 months. ICC banned him

Asif broke the rules at least 6 times, yet PCB is still criticized for banning him

This talk that Pak is tough on crime has to be a biggest joke ever. if a teacher commits a crime, he never teaches again. No professional anywhere is given a chance in the SAME career

Playing for Pakistan is an honor and privilege and not a right. Millions dream about it. Giving second chances to criminals while thousands wait for the first chance, is despicable, IMO

I had spoken about this long ago on this forum. Wasim was talented so was never questioned properly. Then Akhtar broke a 100 rules but he was talented and forgiven. So then Asif came in. He was caught doping. Forgiven. Then came back in his second chance. Then was caught in dubai. Forgiven. Then was caught doping again. Forgiven. Then not only did he fix but also influenced a young Amir to fix

Giving second chances to criminals have ALWAYS made Pakistan pay the price. Amir was lost ONLY because Asif was given a second chance. You have ALWAYS given second and third and fourth chances to people because of talent. And they always stabbed you in the back. Amir retired from test cricket to play leagues, despite the entire country supporting him during his ban, despite PCB trying their best to rehabitalate him and welcome him with open arms back into the team after his ban.

Also, Amir is not as innocent as most of you make him. I have seen him deliberately trundling in all initial matches, deliberately bowling slow and not giving effort. He always gives effort only when its the last stages, when all his other team mates like Afridi are tired after giving their best throughout. He doesnt care if team gets knocked out before, he saves himself to bowl a couple of good spells at the end of a tournament, because he knows his fans will scream about him doing great at later stage

He is as shrewd as Asif was. More and more it seems like he was as much in it as Asif