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2nd March 2021, 08:30 #1
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Ahmadi doctor gunned down inside his clinic in Peshawar
PESHAWAR:A local practitioner, hailing from the Ahmadi minority community, was gunned down in his clinic on the outskits of Peshawar Thursday afternoon.
Police said that the attacker, a 16-year-old youth, was arrested and a pistol used in the murder was also recovered from his possession.
“He [the suspect] is just a child who had been brainwashed and sent for the murder. He entered the clinic of Abdul Qadir and opened fire at him, killing him on the spot,” SP Waqar Khan told The Express Tribune.
The suspect, a resident of Khyber tribal district, was overpowered by people and later handed over to the police, he added.
An FIR in the murder is yet to be registered. According to police, it was a targeted attack and the motive was sectarian.
Abdul Qadir was a resident of Bazid Khel village where a small Ahmadi community used to live until recently. He was not an MBBS doctor but rather a paramedic who was practising locally.
“The Qadyani or Ahmadi clinic is well-known as it was established by Abdul Qadir’s father who was a popular man in the area. Previously he was a favourite target for Mangal Bagh-led Lashker Islam outfit who repeatedly tried to kidnap him from the clinic in which a guard was also killed along with a Lashker’s attacker but the bid was foiled,” a local resident said while talking to The Express Tribune.
“His treatment fee was nominal and charges of medicine were also included in it,” he said, adding, "That is why Abdul Qadir and his father were really popular among the locals who are mostly poor people."
“He [the victim] was loved by the people of his village Bazid Khel and protected by them despite a hatred for him due to the family’s belief,” he added.
Source:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2283592...ic-in-peshawar
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2nd March 2021, 08:32 #2
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2nd March 2021, 08:36 #3
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2nd March 2021, 08:37 #4
RIP. Ahmaddiyas need to be protected.
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2nd March 2021, 08:46 #5
Obviously the 16 year old was influenced by someone, they should investigate the parties involved and an example should be made out of them.
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2nd March 2021, 08:48 #6
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2nd March 2021, 08:52 #7
“Will show Modi government how to treat minorities” - Imran Khan, the most incompetent PM in Pakistan history.
Has he tweeted yet, or he is still daydreaming about conquering Kashmir?
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2nd March 2021, 09:10 #8
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He always looks the other way whenever a minority member is killed or a Hindu girl is forcibly converted to Islam. He harps on about the treatment of Muslim minorities in faraway lands but turns a blind eye to the sufferings of Pakistan’s minorities. Every day, we see him firing off a Tweet at India, Europe, and Netflix accusing them of Islamophobia and ordering them to treat Muslims well.
His ministers are equally coward as him. Shirin Mazari almost never calls out such killings. Last November when an Ahmedi doctor was gunned down, instead of condemning the incident, she tweeted about Indian Muslim minority.
As you have said, this government is the worst people have seen. It is all about gimmicks!
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2nd March 2021, 10:05 #10
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2nd March 2021, 15:38 #11
Imran, the self-appointed messiah claimed that he will show Modi government how to treat minorities. What has he done over the last 2.5 years to address the plight of Ahmadis?
What stops him from at least condemning these killings on Twitter?
First, PTI supporters hyped him up with the tabdeeli rhetoric and now that he has failed with flying colors to deliver the tabdeeli that he promised, they try to defend him by stating that things weren’t great before him either. How ridiculous is that?
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2nd March 2021, 16:42 #12
What do you expect in a country where the PM himself openly treats Ahmedis as dirt ? If kids see their beloved cricketer idol behave in this way, they will look to mimic his ethics.
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2nd March 2021, 16:51 #13
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2nd March 2021, 17:19 #15
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I think there is not much difference in outlook of the current BJP government in India and current PTI government in Pakistan. They are both indifferent to any miserable treatment of minorities . However the key difference is in terms of branding where current BJP govt seems deliberately brands himself as indifferent to any communal incident to paint an image opposed to appeasement while severely compromising on constitutional responsibility while PTI govt comes with some cliched goodwill dialogues doing almost nothing. When it comes to real action on ground which is to prosecute the perpetrators and set precedence, both governments have not done anything significant.
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2nd March 2021, 17:22 #16
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2nd March 2021, 17:33 #17
The difference is that the BJP government has full control of the foreign policy and strategic affairs. The Indian army chief is subservient to Modi.
In Pakistan, the PTI government has no control on the foreign policy and strategic affairs. Our foreign minister, the fake pir, reads from the script provided by the GHQ and the defense minister, Pervez Khattak, is nowhere to be seen.
Imran himself is subservient to the COAS and reads from the script that is provided to him. He is only allow to make administration decisions and look after the economy while the GHQ controls the foreign policy and strategic matters.
The Indian army chief office changed personnel without any controversy while in Pakistan, the constitution had to be amended because the incumbent COAS was too desperate to hold onto power.
Imran previously claimed that generals did not get extensions even during WWII because it strengthens the individuals and weakens the institutions. However, when his boss ordered him to give him an extension, he obliged.
Same goes for other parties as well. They all know which boots need polishing. PMLN amidst all their anti-army rhetoric were happy to sign on the constitutional amendment because it allowed Nawaz to leave prison and go to London much to the humiliation of Imran and PTI.
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2nd March 2021, 17:46 #18
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Apart from what the above poster has mentioned regarding the civilian government being a mere rubber stamp, there is one more difference between Modi and IK.
Modi is a strong-willed, bold and astute leader who does not succumb to pressure and does not take a U-turn every second.Modi is uncompromising on his principles and policies come what may. On the contrary, IK is a meek leader who has a jelly spine and wilts at the slightest pressure. IK is simply not a man of his words. This is another key difference between the two.
Modi is a political giant who is deeply respected and taken seriously by the international community while Imran is known world wide for his hypocrisy and U-turns.
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2nd March 2021, 17:51 #19
Totally agree. Imran as a politician doesn’t hold a candle to Modi.
Modi is tyrannical but at least he is a proper leader whose words and views carry importance in the international arena.
Imran made a thunderous speech in UNGA and what happened? Nothing. No one paid attention to him.
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2nd March 2021, 19:09 #20
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2nd March 2021, 19:23 #21
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2nd March 2021, 19:39 #22
Reading this thread, the anti Imran agenda is quite clear. Qadiyanis have long been targeted by the radical elements of Pakistan’s society. It’s no different than extremist Hindus burning Muslims in India under Modi’s chief ministership.
This is one incidence. Shameful and sad as it is, how can one compare this to massive Muslim killings in India and draw not only parallels but use it to assert Modi is a better politician than Imran?
We need more Dara to suggest that radical sentiment and extremism is growing more under Imran than it did under previous governments.. without it, this is pretty much hearsay.
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2nd March 2021, 19:45 #23
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Of course people are showing agenda. Treatment of Ahmadis has been terrible no matter who is at the helm. And despite whatever we say, right now as a community, Ahmadis definitely have it worse in Pakistan than an average Muslim does in India. That is beyond debate. [and it doesn’t mean that India is a great place for Muslims or anything, just on a comparison basis]
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2nd March 2021, 19:47 #24
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For your information, it seems to me you do not really follow the events in Pakistan. This is not a one-off incident. There is widespread and systematic killing of Ahmedis.
Why do we always have to bring India into such discussions? Why can’t we look at our problems as they are and not by comparing them to other countries? These are our own problems and we need to take ownership.
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2nd March 2021, 20:50 #25
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That my friend is a more fundamental subject for Pakistan, but I as an Indian will refrain from talking about it as it puts several posters on the defensive and relegates the discussion to Imran vs Sharif(if raised by Pakistani) or Imran vs Modi(if raised by Indian) or Imran vs leadership of other Islamic countries( raised by anybody else). I will just say this it is not just Imran, the previous civilian leaders who came to power in Pakistan in last 3 decades had approval and backing from the establishment.
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3rd March 2021, 01:47 #26
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3rd March 2021, 02:41 #27
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He could have asked the Ahmadi Doctor to move to a different part of the country instead of shooting him.
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3rd March 2021, 04:08 #30
Gunning down your own doctors, might as well get the Molvies to provide all the treatments as well.
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3rd March 2021, 04:23 #31
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3rd March 2021, 05:09 #32
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Ugh the Modi bootlicking is a bit cringe here. Though I agree that IK's statement of 'teaching India how to treat minorities' or whatever is laughable.
And certainly Ahmadis in Pakistan have it worse than Muslims in India, as they can't legally call themselves Muslims, aren't allowed to propagate their sect, are constantly referred to as a pejorative in 'Qadiani', aren't allowed to worship in Mosques, aren't allowed to perform azaan, can't read Quran in public and can't even use religious greetings. This is probably not even an exhaustive list. There will be the regular apologists, but this is not acceptable.
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3rd March 2021, 08:16 #34
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3rd March 2021, 08:21 #35
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No he did not. He wanted to appoint his as an economic advisor, but the other political parties started doing politics on it. And im not only talking about the religious ones.
After the entire opposition parties except PPP in the Senate Tuesday submitted a call attention notice in the Senate Secretariat raising objections over the appointment of a member of the minority community in the Economic Advisory Council (EAC), Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf defended the appointment.
And even PPP did not support the appointee. They stayed silent.
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3rd March 2021, 08:26 #36
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The article you posted said this
Police said that the attacker, a 16-year-old youth, was arrested and a pistol used in the murder was also recovered from his possession.
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3rd March 2021, 08:35 #37
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Some shameless people are trying to politicize a murder of a innocent man out of hate for Imran Khan.
Ahmadis are suffering real injustice Pakistan.
The Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan states that they are not Muslim. Then thanks to Zia we have Ordinance XX, which states
Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves 'Ahmadis' or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.
How many people support the repeal of the Second Amendment? The founding fathers of Pakistan considered Ahmadis Muslim, who are we to say they are not? Thats the real issue, the cause of all this. To appease Mullahs they were declared Kaafirs.
From 1947 to 1973 they were Muslims, Muslims who supported the Pakistan Movement, which the Mullahs did not, and this is the treatment they get. We should be ashamed of these laws that exist. Instead the only time we talk about Ahmadis is when two bit hustlers bring it up for to bash a politician they dont like.
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3rd March 2021, 09:10 #38
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Qadyani and Mirzai are both slurs. Ahmedi is the correct word to use.
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The fact that you are more concerned about the technicalities of this case than the act of religious discrimination committed by IK and PTI is far more concerning about your mindset.
You also need to accept IK was also behind Misbah's appointment as Head Coach and Chief Selector.
Just make peace with it.
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3rd March 2021, 17:25 #44
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Most of posts were deleted so you didnt get the full context. He TOLD a deliberate lie as the Hindutuva do and i corrected him. Its the reason he didnt come back and just to repeat i am against violence against all minority communities. I dont accept the Qadyanis( and the Qadyanis dont accept me either) are Muslim but they need to be protected like all other PKs.
As far as IK and the Misbah is concerned, so what if he did. I am not sure why its such a big issue, IK is human and makes mistakes.
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Government gets blame for the lack of security for its citizens. Imran Khan's Nizam must be criticized as he is the PM of the country. He has the power to repeal the laws against Ahmadis. If he does not, then he is also a part of the brigade that is causing genocide of Ahmadis.
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Its difficult when 99% of the population do not think Ahmedis are Muslims. Plus, it was Bhutto who started this mess. The fake liberals of Pakistan will forget this important fact. Geo Bhutto.
Plus, Ahmedis are also not innocent either. Ask people who leave this jamaat of how they are treated and what they have to face. I am not saying that they should face violence.Last edited by King-Misbah; 3rd March 2021 at 20:56.
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Please also tell us who these mullahs were, I can make a start for you, Maulana Mufti Mehmood (headed the opposition on this matter). He is the father of the fake liberals darling maulana diesel.
Actually the trouble accelerated when Ahmedis attacked a train carrying IJT students with violance. The rest is history.
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Every former PM and future PM's of Pakistan can also give the same excuse that you are talking about Imran Khan.
Imran may not be able to change the attitude of 99% of Muslims regarding Ahmedis. But putting the Law on the paper will be a start that prohibits the discrimination. If the law itself discriminates, then there is no hope for Ahmedis.
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You have to be realistic, it is just not possible and there will be chaos in the country. Only hope is people getting educated so they can atleast be more tolerant. The issue is more deep, the Ahmedis also are involved in violence. A simple Youtube video shows this.
Its just funny that the people who are moaning now are the same people who glorify Bhutto and the fake maulvis.
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4th March 2021, 00:30 #52
We bow to them for not just but a lot of other crap in our country unfortunately. They control the narrative, the masses and emotionally hold everyone hostage. Its unrealistic to expect Imran can wave a wand and somehow all this will disappear. It will be political suicide to say "Stop it". He is already labelled a jew and this and that.
You ask him to do that and you risk handing the country back to the dogs in PML-N and PPP. And watch them also do nothing when more Ahmedis get killed.
Thats just the reality of the situation.
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It definitely is used as a pejorative, ask anyone who doesn't hate them and they'll agree. I don't think the etymology of the word is derogatory, but it has been used as a slur and derogatory remark for a long time now. Do you take issue with anything else I said, though?
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Bhutto did not start this mess. The first riot against Ahmadis took place in 1952! He took this step and others such as banning alcohol and closing night clubs and making Friday a public holiday in the hope the right wing mullahs would stop burning the country down. Alas little did he know the stomach of a mullah is never satisfied. Give an inch and they will ask for a mile.
Also what do they face? Some family backlash? Ostracize at max. That’s pretty light in context of othersLast edited by Slog; 4th March 2021 at 06:25.
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Its more because the opposition will do politics on it. Mullahs dont have much electoral power. If PML N, PPP, and other other parties backed the Atif Mian appointment he would never have been removed.
And if they work together then slowly you can remove the Zia era laws.
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4th March 2021, 07:51 #60
At the end of the day, Imran removed this person from his council solely because of his religion .. he made the final decision. Just like he and his party refused to pass laws that give non muslims equal rights to that of muslims. This is nothing but religious bigotry and discrimination.
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He caved into pressure, however surely the others doing politics on it deserve the blame. Not the one who was trying to appoint him. He gave an interview when asked about this, and he said short answer is you cant pick your battles at once.
Also Ahmadis are a Muslim sect. What law is there in Pakistan that gives Muslims more rights than non Muslims (Hindus, Christians, etc)? If your answer is not being able to be President, sure that is discrimination, but so is giving religious minorities quotas in parliament, jobs, etc. I think that's a better deal for them to get the quota, then to be able to be a figure head President.
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4th March 2021, 08:39 #62
No offence, but you're talking like some of the upper caste savarna liberals of India who use this logic to deny reservation to the Dalits.
You can provide "positive affirmation" to the backward classes without removing another right from them and say "you don't get this but cheer up, you get this, surely it's a better deal for you". That's patronising.
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4th March 2021, 08:56 #63
A person who says racist things to please his base is just as dangerous an actual racist. From what I've observed, he hasn't picked a single worthy battle, let alone all at once. Even something as obvious and necessary as enacting FATF reforms is impossible for him.
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If it was up to me that law would not exist (or any religious law), and i have no problem with the parliament quota for religious minorities.
However the main purpose of the point was compared to Ahmadis officially on the "books", non Muslims are not really facing discrimination. In actuality its different, so the quotas are good, but its not the end of the world that a non Muslim cant be a head of state in a country thats 97% Muslim.
By talking about that law we are ignoring more serious discrimination that is being faced by Ahmadis. They legally cant call themselves Muslim, cant say azaan legally, cant cite Islamic sciptures on their graves legally, etc.
And to make things worse the religious parties that pressurized the Bhutto government to declare them non Muslim opposed the creation of Pakistan, which the Ahmadis supported. And Zia as he lacked a political base allied with these same Mullahs to pass the draconian Ordinance XX.
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The problem is that our PM and our government never come out to condemn barbarity against minorities because they lack spine. Immy has all the time to harp on about treatment of Muslims in faraway lands but he has never condemned or even tweeted against the violence and injustice our Ahmedis, Hindus and Christians face every day!
And, the government is very afraid of taking any concrete steps against hate preachers and extremists because they fear the right wing. Our teachers are telling kids to behead infidels and blasphemers and our clerics are telling worshippers to gun down Ahmedis and expel nob-Muslims from Pakistan. But, we never see any arrests. So, the bucks stops at the government. If PM had such a jelly spine, why did he sign up for the job?
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4th March 2021, 16:28 #69
Or people move away from religion. However, in a country which is built on a religious foundation, that is asking a lot. There are plenty of so called liberals on here who are making political capital out of this to score points though, which shows you the scale of the problem. For them every death of an Ahmadi is a cause for celebration.
At least in the region itself it seems the medic was a popular figure and the locals protected him. There will always be some impressionable person who can be manipulated into acts of terror, but the majority don't believe in it.
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4th March 2021, 17:30 #70
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Pretty silly thing to say. The only ones celebrating the deaths are the fundamentalists, and the ones who are indifferent are the so-called moderates. When those 'so-called liberals' point out that Ahmadis aren't allowed to pray in a (mainstream) mosque, call themselves Muslim by law, preach their sect, give salaam, read the Quran in public, etc, is this just baseless virtue signalling? Or are they just trying to paint Pakistan in a bad light? Or, and this is a crazy thought, they may just be highlighting the injustice that Ahmadis face and see the hypocrisy when there is outrage when Muslims are attacked in India (and that outrage is 100% warranted)?
And let's not forget, while Muslims are treated badly in India, it is vigilante violence. Perhaps you can make a case for the higher-ups turning a blind eye to it, I would likely agree there, but there isn't anything enshrined in law which puts places restrictions on Muslims in India, like there are for Ahmadis in Pakistan.
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4th March 2021, 18:25 #71
I was pretty clear that I was talking about those who are making political capital out of it - I mean I said it right there in the sentence, the part you didn't bold. It's not about Imran Khan, or Bhutto, or Sharif. It runs deeper in Pakistani society than that. If you don't get that, then don't quote me and start talking about something else.
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4th March 2021, 18:29 #72
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There's undeniably a political component. I like IK, but he shouldn't have backed out of Atif Mian's appointment just because of pressure from others. An fabulous economist was lost because the government bowed down to the pressure of the jahil. It has set the precedent now that Ahmadi justice isn't worth fighting for.
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4th March 2021, 23:20 #73