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    Talented batsmen in Pakistan need the same sort of backing that Virat Kohli has got from the BCCI

    Kohli has beeen out of form and doing very bad for more than a year now. Failures in consecutive series. His last big series was ages ago against South Africa. But even with dis deres no chatter of him getting dropped. No pressure on his place. Because thatís what you do with special talents. You back them because you know they will come good.

    Many kudos to BCCI and Indian team management. They know players can go thru bad times. But class remains and comes out top.

    On the other hand our board and coaches like Waqar yunus drop equally talented batsmen who have history of dominating australia and new zealand in test series on first sign of failure just because they have personal agendas. And it wasnít even failure. Just an ok series in WI. Still averages 40+ in tests.

    No wonder India is near or at top of rankings always and Pakistan is in lower half... jaisi karni waisi bharni

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    'Talent' is not a word used often in Indian cricket, unless in a semi-derogatory manner like Rohit.


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    Talent isn't the right word here.
    He was the best batsman in the world at one point of time, ypu can't drop him so easily.
    Secondly even though he is in a bad patch of form he is still coming up with fifties every other match. Believe me i have seen worse patches, Sachin had nearly 3 or 4 bad patches like these, Dravid too.

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    Agree with you

    Ahmed Shehzad & Umar Akmal both needed to be backed in tests

    Instead Pakistan chose to invest in Shan Masood and Asad Shafiq & both flopped

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    Who are these talented batsmen in Pakistan? Apart from Babar who is far inferior to Kohli, Rohit....most of them are average if not rubbish!!!

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    Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

    If Pakistan ever develops the capacity of producing a batsman of Kohliís level, he would also get a very long rope and full support.

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    If Kohli gets a duck for the next 20 innings, he will not be dropped.

    That's how many ATG-level knocks he's played across formats. Which is relevant considering he's not 40 years old.

    Some Pakistanis act as if the only reason Indian batsmen are great is because of the BCCI If a Pakistani had played even 1/4 as many ATG-level knocks, there'd be a thread-a-day here on him.

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    Babar Azam was given plenty of backing when he averaged in the 20s early in his test career.

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    Mohammad Rizwan was forced to perform when he wasn’t getting dropped for his many average performances post Sarfaraz axe.

    It’s not like the PCB don’t know how to do things, they will do them for the reasons that will suit them best.


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    Anyone who meets the eye test will get backing, problem is very few Pakistani batsmen meet the eye test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    Kohli has beeen out of form and doing very bad for more than a year now. Failures in consecutive series. His last big series was ages ago against South Africa. But even with dis deres no chatter of him getting dropped. No pressure on his place. Because that’s what you do with special talents. You back them because you know they will come good.

    Many kudos to BCCI and Indian team management. They know players can go thru bad times. But class remains and comes out top.

    On the other hand our board and coaches like Waqar yunus drop equally talented batsmen who have history of dominating australia and new zealand in test series on first sign of failure just because they have personal agendas. And it wasn’t even failure. Just an ok series in WI. Still averages 40+ in tests.

    No wonder India is near or at top of rankings always and Pakistan is in lower half... jaisi karni waisi bharni
    I agree with you 100% here. True that eveyone should be measured against performance but certain times patience is required as a strategy decision. Kohli has earned that leeway so he will get enough chances even after he gets 5 ducks in a row. and we know that he will come back with a great knock as he is always be hungry for runs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    On the other hand our board and coaches like Waqar yunus drop equally talented batsmen who have history of dominating australia and new zealand in test series on first sign of failure just because they have personal agendas.
    I missed this gem from the OP.

    My dear friend. Even Rahane has dominated Australia and thrashed a rampant Mitchell Johnson better than this equally talented batsman.

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    PCB already did this with Babar Azam. They also gave Asad Shafiq a long run, too long.

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    OP can't be serious. Indian backing Kohli in the last 1 year, lol.


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    Do you think Babar Azam will be dropped if he has failures for a year. No right. so some players have earned their place and can still be in the team and given a run.

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    Why not? Especially if they had 70+ centuries and 50+ average in all three formats despite all these failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globalcitizen View Post
    Do you think Babar Azam will be dropped if he has failures for a year. No right. so some players have earned their place and can still be in the team and given a run.
    You should read some of the threads about Barbar on here. The moment Barbar gets out in any format, you have the usual pessimists out in full force.

    If he hasn't made a 50, they will tell you he's total rubbish. If he makes a 50 but not a hundred or makes a hundred but not a 150, you will get people who have a problem with it. There are threads on here about Barber being a very selfish batsman - the biggest match winner since Inzi is apparently selfish. You couldn't make this stuff up.

    What Kohli's current run shows is that all cricketers are human and at some stage, they will have a lean patch. It happens to everyone. It doesn't mean that the moment Kohli makes a low score you start calling for his head.

    Any Pakistani in history who had a lean patch like the one Kohli is having would see fans saying all sorts of things about him. I remember even the great Younus Khan faced this if he didn't score a hundred in every innings!

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    If a batsman plays 2-3 seasons of FC and maintains a healthy average of 45+ or 40+ (openers), then they should definitely be backed!

    Case in point, backing a 38 averaging (shafiq) over 55 averaging batsman (Fawad).

    Even though Fawad is on his last legs, but he has shown the grit and determination to get Pak out of a dire situation, whilst the other one failed constantly and didn't deserve to play for over a decade.

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    You should had rather given examples of Pant, Rohit or Kohli during 2009-2011...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    'Talent' is not a word used often in Indian cricket, unless in a semi-derogatory manner like Rohit.
    This is so true. The word Talent is so overused in Pakistan cricket

    In India they use the word " talent " mockingly to denote players who are under performing due to lack of effort / focus like Rohit ( pre 2015 )


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    Once again if he wants to prolong his career he should start skipping IPL for at least next 4 years to keep his mind and body fresh. He can play that league later when he retires as an ATG.

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    Asad Shafique was backed. #justsaying

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    Kohliís rise to greatness isnít because of the backing or support he got. Itís because of the enormous amount of work he put in his game to become the player he is. As mentioned, handful of Pakistani batsmen got unlimited backing: Hafeez, Malik, Azhar, Asad, Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad. All of these combined donít come close to Kohli. Pakistanis work ethic is poor and they are easily satisfied with one good innings.

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    First of all, it is not Kohli only who gets backing. Every player does get backing but they have to earn it. Kohli will be in team even if he scores 5 ducks in a row. Such is his clout and influence that no one dare to challenge his position. He is a talisman.
    Form is Temporary, class is Permanent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMB View Post
    First of all, it is not Kohli only who gets backing. Every player does get backing but they have to earn it. Kohli will be in team even if he scores 5 ducks in a row. Such is his clout and influence that no one dare to challenge his position. He is a talisman.
    Form is Temporary, class is Permanent.
    There lies the problem. Kohli is not going to get any better from here. It will only go downhill from here. How many more ducks till you think itís enough? He hasnít scored anything since 2018, thatís almost 3 years. Our superstar culture will cost many games and perhaps even world title.

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    Pakistani team does not do this bad that fans have to keep posting topics like how PCB should learn from this board and that board.

    Our players on individual levels and even as a team have almost on par records with other teams.

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    Please don't use derogatory words like 'talent'. Talent is worthless without character, hardwork and temperament.

    The things Kohli has accomplished in his career cannot be forgotten because of a couple of bad series. His average has not dropped below 50 in both formats since maybe 2015. On top of that, Kohli has a strong and assertive personality. He knows what he wants; both as a batsman and as a captain. These qualities combined with his incredible batting ability and a work-ethic that is likely unmatched by any cricketer in the world are what make him a once in a generation talent.

    When Pakistan gets a once in a generation talent that is not only an incredible cricketer but also a highly successful captain (Kohli is India's most successful test captain ever) then I assure you he will be bigger than the board just like Imran was and Kohli is. And no one will have the courage to bat an eye.
    Last edited by RedwoodOriginal; 5th March 2021 at 21:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Asad Shafique was backed. #justsaying
    What a waste of time that was

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    OP wants to give some long rope to one series wonders that India give to Kohli (7-8 years of consistent performance)

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    Lol, it's been a while since we've heard from a diehard Shehzad fan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    Kohli has beeen out of form and doing very bad for more than a year now. Failures in consecutive series. His last big series was ages ago against South Africa. But even with dis deres no chatter of him getting dropped. No pressure on his place. Because thatís what you do with special talents. You back them because you know they will come good.

    Many kudos to BCCI and Indian team management. They know players can go thru bad times. But class remains and comes out top.

    On the other hand our board and coaches like Waqar yunus drop equally talented batsmen who have history of dominating australia and new zealand in test series on first sign of failure just because they have personal agendas. And it wasnít even failure. Just an ok series in WI. Still averages 40+ in tests.

    No wonder India is near or at top of rankings always and Pakistan is in lower half... jaisi karni waisi bharni
    This is hilariously wrong. Kohli gets backing because he has proven himself to he a legend and dominated for years. Umar Akmal or Shehzad didn't do that

    You can compare Akmal or Shehzad with Pant. Pant proved himself with 100s on his first tour of England and 159 in his first tour of australia. Something many legends have not been able to achieve. Pant dominated in tour of Aus in 2018 both with bat and gloves

    Yet Pant was dropped for underperformance. He won his place back with his own hard work, he lost weight, kept practicing keeping


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    There lies the problem. Kohli is not going to get any better from here. It will only go downhill from here. How many more ducks till you think it’s enough? He hasn’t scored anything since 2018, that’s almost 3 years. Our superstar culture will cost many games and perhaps even world title.
    He scored a 50 just last test. Kohli averages 49 since 2018 with 7 100s in 28 matches (thats 1 100 every 4 match)

    Yeah he is no where near legendary but no where near as bad as you are making it out. So you want us to drop someone who averages 49 with 1 100 every 4 games?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    He scored a 50 just last test. Kohli averages 49 since 2018 with 7 100s in 28 matches (thats 1 100 every 4 match)

    Yeah he is no where near legendary but no where near as bad as you are making it out. So you want us to drop someone who averages 49 with 1 100 every 4 games?
    Fifties in last two test matches come at when pitch is more difficult to bat. He is still our best player in team but going through rough patch.

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    Form is temporary, class is permanent. Every batsman goes through these dips, nothing new about it. Look at Joe Root - guy was in a sorry form for a few years. People (including me) had given up on him & were looking at his abysmal conversion record & now he proved all of ur wrong with almost 3 double centuries in as many matches. Kohli is too good a player to be in this rut for long - anybody thinking about dropping him should have his head examined!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Form is temporary, class is permanent. Every batsman goes through these dips, nothing new about it. Look at Joe Root - guy was in a sorry form for a few years. People (including me) had given up on him & were looking at his abysmal conversion record & now he proved all of ur wrong with almost 3 double centuries in as many matches. Kohli is too good a player to be in this rut for long - anybody thinking about dropping him should have his head examined!
    So you ageee someone like Ahmed Shehzad with a proven track record (dominating series against SA, Aus, 9 intíl centuries at tender age of 24) was unjustly and harshly dropped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    So you ageee someone like Ahmed Shehzad with a proven track record (dominating series against SA, Aus, 9 intíl centuries at tender age of 24) was unjustly and harshly dropped?
    First of all, there is no comparision of Shehzad to stellar acts like Root or Kohli who have proven themselves across formats & across multiple series. Ahmed Shehzadís case is a mixed bag - just like Umar Akmal you could say he bought it on himself. Guy had talent & could maybe have been given a longer rope to prove himself, but he didnt help his own cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    First of all, there is no comparision of Shehzad to stellar acts like Root or Kohli who have proven themselves across formats & across multiple series. Ahmed Shehzadís case is a mixed bag - just like Umar Akmal you could say he bought it on himself. Guy had talent & could maybe have been given a longer rope to prove himself, but he didnt help his own cause.
    Part wrong you are. Youíre saying Ahmad didnít prove himself the same way Kohli or Root did. Totally wrong. How can he prove himself the same way when he doesnít get the same long rope of matches in your words. If you remember Kohli was terrible for first 2 years of his test career. Absolutely bad. And Ahmad never had series like Kohli failure in 2014 England. Despite that Kohli got long rope whereas Ahmad got dropped after one average series (SL tour) despite dominating NZ and Aus before that.

    His start in international cricket was as good as it gets really. Forget Kohli or Root, his trajectory at the age of 22 was ahead of or atleast similar to some of the ATGs of the game. It is not me whoís saying this. Records and stats say that. Itís not up for debate

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    Talented batsmen need the kind of supreme talent and skills that Kohli has to deserve that kind of backing and grooming.

    Otherwise Hafeez and more recently Shan Masood have had grooming and backing by PCb despite all failures and criticism that even a Kohli could not have dreamed about. But the end result was mediocrity and somewhat disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Talented batsmen need the kind of supreme talent and skills that Kohli has to deserve that kind of backing and grooming.

    Otherwise Hafeez and more recently Shan Masood have had grooming and backing by PCb despite all failures and criticism that even a Kohli could not have dreamed about. But the end result was mediocrity and somewhat disappointing.
    You can also add Asad Shafiq to that list.

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    This thread is absurd.

    Kohli has been the best all-format batsman in the world in the last 5 years. Not scoring heavily in one format for 5-7 matches hardly means that he needs backing or BCCI is backing him.

    You back someone who needs backing. Like a youngster in initial years based on his potential.


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    Under Kohli Indian bowling is the one which vastly improved. Batting has become inconsistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    So you ageee someone like Ahmed Shehzad with a proven track record (dominating series against SA, Aus, 9 intíl centuries at tender age of 24) was unjustly and harshly dropped?
    I think you are Ahmed Shahzad. I could be wrong though. How are you? I know you have a love hate relation with Kohli with that look and all but the difference in ability and talent is actually quite overwhelming. You had the body language of Kohli with the strike rate of Pujara. That conflict killed your career.

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    Lmao, people are actually trying to explain to a Shehzad fan with logic. That's not going to work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Lmao, people are actually trying to explain to a Shehzad fan with logic. That's not going to work.
    I think the equally talented player mentioned in the OP is Umar Akmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    I think the equally talented player mentioned in the OP is Umar Akmal.
    No I think itís Shehzad since he is mentioning Australia, NZ series and then the WI series which if Iím not wrong was Shehzads last series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Lmao, people are actually trying to explain to a Shehzad fan with logic. That's not going to work.
    I donít know if you were around but way back same OP compared Shehzad to Sachin and Hanif Muhammad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    No I think it’s Shehzad since he is mentioning Australia, NZ series and then the WI series which if I’m not wrong was Shehzads last series.
    Ok then that makes it worse. Umar Akmal >> Shehzad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad-GERMANFC View Post
    So you ageee someone like Ahmed Shehzad with a proven track record (dominating series against SA, Aus, 9 int’l centuries at tender age of 24) was unjustly and harshly dropped?
    You didn't reply to how india dropped Pant despite him dominating series in England and Australia in 2018 as a 21 year old


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