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    I think we're beyond the point of country vs club debate. So use of word disgrace is really subjective in this case, different people have different standards and it's always easy to hold others to a higher standard when you are not the one making loss.

    From cricketing point of view, T20I series around the world are a pointless exercise for fans consumption. They don't carry the weight a bilateral test series does. And one with so close to WT20, its a perfect opportunity for SA to test their bench strength should the need for selecting them arise.

    Also its not like players that are missing out are doing so to go on vacation. They will be playing in high pressure situations for 14 (or 17 max) games. So they will be T20-ready too.

    Win-Win.

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    I think boards should follow the BCCI and stop sending their players to participate in other countries tournaments then we wouldn't have such problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The lone Ranger View Post
    I think boards should follow the BCCI and stop sending their players to participate in other countries tournaments then we wouldn't have such problem.
    Then you can expect BCCI to threaten them and not playing against them in any series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    Makes no sense.

    Were they forced to sign them?
    That is right. Nobody is forcing them to play in the IPL. They are welcome to stay away and play for South Africa. It's not like they are so poorly paid in SA that they have to choose between their country and IPL to keep their bank balances healthy.

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    Nothing wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis View Post
    Yeah but what you guys are missing is the fact they're contracted to the CSA year round, they're not exempt from their obligations for the 1-2 months the IPL is going on; Pretty much all central contracts with cricket boards strictly stipulate that you're their main employer and that your duties to the national teams comes before any league, the board of course has discretionary powers to allow players to play for their clubs over the national team but still reinforces the fact that they are the ones in control. It's not about the fact that the IPL is way wealthier and these players make millions, it's about contractual obligations, I get the feeling that most of you on this forum don't know how contracts work but maybe when you land a white collar job some day you'll understand more about business practices.
    The discussion is not about "contracts", it is about who applied the "pressure"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by par View Post
    Isn't only 10 per cent? Or has it been increased to 20 per cent recently?
    Its 20 percent since 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    Itís all about the money, nothing else matters. I mean if these SA players are getting paid ridiculous amounts then who can blame them ? Itís a cash bonanza, let them take it.
    I feel sorry for Rabada though, compare him to what Morris is getting and it shows what a joke these leagues are.

    Overall I donít think itís a massive deal tbh, SA will still have some decent players and will be competitive at home.
    CSA will get usd 1.6mn as well. Thats big for a board that was supposed to get revenues not profit of 2.6mn if Aus did their full tour.

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    Down to the players' personal choice in my opinion. That's where the debate should be.


    Arsenal all the way!! (and Pakistan, of course!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis View Post
    Yeah but what you guys are missing is the fact they're contracted to the CSA year round, they're not exempt from their obligations for the 1-2 months the IPL is going on; Pretty much all central contracts with cricket boards strictly stipulate that you're their main employer and that your duties to the national teams comes before any league, the board of course has discretionary powers to allow players to play for their clubs over the national team but still reinforces the fact that they are the ones in control. It's not about the fact that the IPL is way wealthier and these players make millions, it's about contractual obligations, I get the feeling that most of you on this forum don't know how contracts work but maybe when you land a white collar job some day you'll understand more about business practices.
    ICC has given a seperate window to IPL during which there will be no international cricket. Its the arrangement made after consulting with all boards. IPL owners invest millions and buy players based on this arrangement that they will be committed to their franchises for that stipulated timeframe.

    Now, even after knowing all these if some board still organize international matches during IPL window, they should fully expect players to pull out. No amount of crying will help unfortunately. Its actually the boards that are breaking the agreement and not IPL. Yes if IPL organize an off cycle series and players decide to participiate in it by skipping games for their country, then blame the players (though legally they would not be wrong even then).

    This is what 13th edition of IPL? It looks like even after so many years, some people are still in denial and dont want to learn.

    In a direct fight between IPL & ICC there is only one winner. Actually IPL is being humble here by just demanding 1.5 months window. The reality is, if IPL wants they can jeapordise entire international calendar by hosting league cricket for 6-8 months and offering massive pay cheques to players. But BCCI will never allow it because they care about international cricket and especially test cricket.

    ICC understands the above as well and hence given a seperate window for smooth functioning of IPL. Now if some board breaks this agreement and organize their own cricket during this time, obviously players will be opting out. Bringing central contract excuse is hilarious. No contract is more important that $$$...its the reality of life.

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    Sad reality of the world. Unfortunately, most humans run after money unlike a lot of us out here who place patriotism over material gains.

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    I see in a practical way..... Can't blame players...after all we all want money and more money....that's lyf.....it's ICC who has given a seperate window to IPL...so all damage is done by then...only now no point in being a cry baby....

    It's about might and money and might is right...

    If we. Still act like a true cricket fan then it will hurt but we have to be diplomatic and realistic .....cricket is a rich boards game ..... That's it.....it's going back to how it began actually limited to british and it's royal families...

    Move on guys.....

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    The Pakistan LOI series was agreed after the IPL draft had taken place. These players had already put there names into the auction and were selected into the draft. They have a contracts which means they have obligation to play and participate in the competition.

    What I want to know is wasn't the Australia planned instead of this tour which obviously featured tests. Would these players have been more flexible for this tour or would they have done the same here. Either way, I don't blame the players, if a buck is to made easy then make it. IPL offers great money and intl. players will look to put there names into.

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    Why wouldnt SA allow their players to play in IPL? The T20 WC is in India & the IPL will be great prep for that. Plus SA needs money desperately after the cancelled England & Australia tours & this is free money! To top it all why will they risk going against BCCI & depriving themselves of future money-minting tours?
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    Club vs country debate is new in cricket but it's been the case in other sports like soccer, basketball for decades now. We all know how that turned out. Sportsmen have limited time before they fizzle out. Most don't have any other skill to sustain themselves after they retire from the sport. So, it's only logical to mint while you can. Someone like Shakib can easily retire and dedicate himself to IPL and other leagues. It's not his loss. It's BD's loss if they continue to harrass him.

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    The only good solution is to stop all T20 bilaterals except world cup once in 4 years. T20 should only be a club/franchisee driven cricket variant. It will increase value of PSL, IPL, BBL etc and also add importance to playing in the tests and ODI for tour country.

    All T20 franchisee tournaments can also be organised at the same time like in soccer. You get what you pay for. So Indian soccer league canít get Ronaldo or Messi but only third tier English or second tier egyptian players.

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    Regarding the players - some will probably feel they are just keeping the seat warm for these players playing in the IPL.

    The ones I will feel sorry for are those who do well and then are dropped for the T20 World Cup when the IPL gang want to come back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Then you can expect BCCI to threaten them and not playing against them in any series.
    That's perfectly fine. There are other boards that will be willing to play. BCCI is not the only board.

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    CSA is being offered the same amount as ABD. It tells you the shocking financial disparity in world cricket. No wonder so many South African Cricketers have opted for the Kolpak route.

    Just look at the lifestyles of so many young Indian Cricketers, just one or two seasons of IPL and already these players are living in luxurious penthouses. They are literally living the lifestyle of International American and European football stars, boxers, NBA players now which is also making it ten times easier for parents to allow their children to take up the sport knowing the pay back is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    CSA is being offered the same amount as ABD. It tells you the shocking financial disparity in world cricket. No wonder so many South African Cricketers have opted for the Kolpak route.

    Just look at the lifestyles of so many young Indian Cricketers, just one or two seasons of IPL and already these players are living in luxurious penthouses. They are literally living the lifestyle of International American and European football stars, boxers, NBA players now which is also making it ten times easier for parents to allow their children to take up the sport knowing the pay back is good.
    Chris Morris will get 2.3 mn

    CSA's entire revenue from the Aus tour is 2.6mn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Chris Morris will get 2.3 mn

    CSA's entire revenue from the Aus tour is 2.6mn.
    Yup. CSA was never a major money making board and the alarming situation for CSA is that even their previous brewery sponsors are no longer interested in sponsoring the proteas team anymore because the money is just not there.

    No Cricket Board can survive vs the big 3 without having a decent amount of funds to invest in Cricket therefore it is vital for them to find ways to make good money from their own cricket without being reliant on the big 4.

    NZ Cricket is on a high right now because they are blessed with the quality of the players in their team but the NZCB is financially very weak and they too will face the same problem that SA is facing right now where their lack of finances to keep reinvesting in their game will catch up with them down the line and it will reflect in the lack of quality players coming through the ranks.

    The PCB had to learn the hard way that unless they do something internally and find ways to sustain itself on their own without being dependent on the goodwill of other boards they cannot survive both commercially and with the quality of players coming through the ranks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Yup. CSA was never a major money making board and the alarming situation for CSA is that even their previous brewery sponsors are no longer interested in sponsoring the proteas team anymore because the money is just not there.

    No Cricket Board can survive vs the big 3 without having a decent amount of funds to invest in Cricket therefore it is vital for them to find ways to make good money from their own cricket without being reliant on the big 4.

    NZ Cricket is on a high right now because they are blessed with the quality of the players in their team but the NZCB is financially very weak and they too will face the same problem that SA is facing right now where their lack of finances to keep reinvesting in their game will catch up with them down the line and it will reflect in the lack of quality players coming through the ranks.

    The PCB had to learn the hard way that unless they do something internally and find ways to sustain itself on their own without being dependent on the goodwill of other boards they cannot survive both commercially and with the quality of players coming through the ranks
    2.6mn may not look big for a series, but we have to compare it with what other boards except the Big 3 make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    That's perfectly fine. There are other boards that will be willing to play. BCCI is not the only board.
    Lol, you are living in an idealistic world - no other board can match the revenues from Big 3 especially BCCI. CSA has already burnt its bridges with Aussies, England & India are its only two options to make money in its desperate financial condition. No way any struggling board can refuse IPL at any point- nobody wants to lock horns with the financial might of BCCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    CSA is being offered the same amount as ABD. It tells you the shocking financial disparity in world cricket. No wonder so many South African Cricketers have opted for the Kolpak route.

    Just look at the lifestyles of so many young Indian Cricketers, just one or two seasons of IPL and already these players are living in luxurious penthouses. They are literally living the lifestyle of International American and European football stars, boxers, NBA players now which is also making it ten times easier for parents to allow their children to take up the sport knowing the pay back is good.
    Scary when you phrase it like that. Sport shouldn't be about making money though, that's a business. The main focus of these sports bodies should be ensuring a stable platform and aim to expand the game of cricket to other nations. From what I can see, cricket appears to be a dying sport. In the West at least. Perhaps they should refocus on what is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post

    The ones I will feel sorry for are those who do well and then are dropped for the T20 World Cup when the IPL gang want to come back.
    If you do well in bilateral T20 then a IPL contract is on its way... Then you dump the bilateral and play IPL...

    Circle continues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Scary when you phrase it like that. Sport shouldn't be about making money though, that's a business. The main focus of these sports bodies should be ensuring a stable platform and aim to expand the game of cricket to other nations. From what I can see, cricket appears to be a dying sport. In the West at least. Perhaps they should refocus on what is important.
    Cricket is not dying. It has more fans today than anytime in the past. More countries have started playing cricket, even commie atheist China and NBA/NFL crazed USA. More countries are being supported by ICC through the money generated by BCCi. More money, more entertainment & more cricket superstars who can compete with Football and basketball superstars in fitness, motivation and lifestyle, better stadium, more innovation, better technology than soccer and more formats than any other sports in the world except Gulli-danda.

    What has gone down is PCB thatís utterly incompetent, immature, petulant, ingrate and corrupt. Despite owning the second largest fan base crazy about cricket esp as Hockey & Squash are dead in Pakistan now, PCB is living on the handouts of ICC. Pak desperately wants BCCI to share its wealth with PCB either directly through bilaterals or indirectly through ICC tournaments. No one in Pakistan watches test match or plays long form cricket. Pak test team today is nothing but its T20 team in white pyjamas.

    So yes, Pak fans (native, refugees and immigrants), may think that cricket is dying and they have reasons to think so, but the game of cricket is booming in the world. Thank you for your concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babbar View Post
    What has gone down is PCB thatís utterly incompetent, immature, petulant, ingrate and corrupt. Despite owning the second largest fan base crazy about cricket esp as Hockey & Squash are dead in Pakistan now, PCB is living on the handouts of ICC. Pak desperately wants BCCI to share its wealth with PCB either directly through bilaterals or indirectly through ICC tournaments. No one in Pakistan watches test match or plays long form cricket. Pak test team today is nothing but its T20 team in white pyjamas.

    So yes, Pak fans (native, refugees and immigrants), may think that cricket is dying and they have reasons to think so, but the game of cricket is booming in the world. Thank you for your concern.

    He's South African , bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullycricket View Post
    PSL doesn't encroach on international cricket and make boards bow to their diktats. Much of international cricket continues even in PSL background. I have no issues with IPL window but international cricket takes priority always
    The problem is that PSL doesnít have the auqaat to encroach international cricket and force boards to bow to their teams.

    PSL is a low-budget league that cannot afford the best contemporary players in the world. Apart from a few exceptions, it can only attract fringe players and former greats who are washed up.

    90% of the best active players in the world do not play in PSL so there is no danger of PSL impacting international cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energy View Post
    You get a feeling that no cricket team takes Pakistan seriously whether they are playing at home or away.
    You canít blame them though. Pakistan is a nothing team. The state of Pakistan cricket can be summed up when the best batsman in the country and the captain is just a B grade batsman who averaged 42-43 in Test cricket.

    Pakistan has no strong presence in international cricket anymore and has been reduced to the same tier as Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies and Afghanistan.

    Winning/losing against Pakistan doesnít really matter anymore.

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    People need to understand something -IPL cannot be grouped together with its low-budget, cheap imitations like PSL, BBL, LPL, CPL etc.

    It is a completely different beast and enjoys the same status as international cricket. It is by no means a step down either in terms of quality/standard of cricket or prestige and importance.

    Scoring runs and taking wickets for Mumbai Indians matters as much as doing it for your country in T20Is, and it has the same impact on your legacy as well.

    Winning the IPL is on par with winning the WT20.

    Is it about money? Well yeah of course, but so is international cricket. Cricketers are professionals and they will not play for free...not even for their countries.

    They can provide lip-service about the pride of representing their countries but if their respective boards do not pay them money, hardly a single player anywhere in the world will opt to play.

    Professional athletes all over the world pay for money. No one is going to do it for free. People who have a problem with IPL use the money card to feel good about themselves but it is a moot point anyway.

    Change is the only constant; you cannot hamper the evolution of cricket. In the year 2021, the following is the reality:

    In international cricket, only series between the big 3 matters. India donít care if they win or lose in New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies if they can win in Australia or England. Same goes for the other two.

    Today, it is all about big 3 bilateral series + ICC tournaments + IPL. That is it.

    Bilateral cricket involving New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Ireland etc. have no significance and are just filler matches. They only matter to fans of these teams and have no impact whatsoever on the game itself.

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    T20 format should be abandoned and only club/franchise driven T20s should happen in the seperate window that is given to them.

    Play ODIs and Test Cricket only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    T20 format should be abandoned and only club/franchise driven T20s should happen in the seperate window that is given to them.

    Play ODIs and Test Cricket only.
    I say abandon JAMODIs too. Just play a WC every 4 years. Only play test cricket internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    I say abandon JAMODIs too. Just play a WC every 4 years. Only play test cricket internationally.
    JAMODIs are important for preparation of ODI World Cup. It is because of WT20 and other bilaterals T20s, the importance of ODIs have gone. If they were not there, bilateral ODIs will be taken seriously too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    JAMODIs are important for preparation of ODI World Cup. It is because of WT20 and other bilaterals T20s, the importance of ODIs have gone. If they were not there, bilateral ODIs will be taken seriously too.
    We can have a qualification tournament for ODI world cup just like Football WC. No need for the series like 'India vs England% one happening right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    We can have a qualification tournament for ODI world cup just like Football WC. No need for the series like 'India vs England% one happening right now.
    I concur fully. These ODIs are just as meaningless as bilateral T20s. If anything, a proper qualification tournament will add some much needed context back to the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    He's South African , bro.
    Wasnít meant for him. Pak fans have to love on. Too much anger and vitriol against BCCI will result in ulcers and heart problems.

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    When the BCCI was starting to make huge gigantic sums of money from Cricket. The PCB was headed by Ijaz Butt. We all know the legacy of Ijaz Butt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babbar View Post
    Cricket is not dying. It has more fans today than anytime in the past. More countries have started playing cricket, even commie atheist China and NBA/NFL crazed USA. More countries are being supported by ICC through the money generated by BCCi. More money, more entertainment & more cricket superstars who can compete with Football and basketball superstars in fitness, motivation and lifestyle, better stadium, more innovation, better technology than soccer and more formats than any other sports in the world except Gulli-danda.

    What has gone down is PCB thatís utterly incompetent, immature, petulant, ingrate and corrupt. Despite owning the second largest fan base crazy about cricket esp as Hockey & Squash are dead in Pakistan now, PCB is living on the handouts of ICC. Pak desperately wants BCCI to share its wealth with PCB either directly through bilaterals or indirectly through ICC tournaments. No one in Pakistan watches test match or plays long form cricket. Pak test team today is nothing but its T20 team in white pyjamas.

    So yes, Pak fans (native, refugees and immigrants), may think that cricket is dying and they have reasons to think so, but the game of cricket is booming in the world. Thank you for your concern.
    You must be very delusional if you genuinely believe cricket is Ďboomingí in the world. Iím a huge cricket nut, and I only want whatís best for the game, but itís a fact that the sport is slowly dying in a lot of countries and only maintaining any semblance of relevancy because of South Asian immigrants.

    Furthermore, it ainít going to take off in the US or China. Even in countries like Ireland or Scotland, the game wonít ever become mainstream.

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    Wasnt Graeme Smith making some big statements recently about BCCI having too much control and yaada yaada yaada, kya huon uska? Was it just all chat and nothing else.

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    Till 1928, there were only 3 test teams, From 1928 to 2018, just 7 more got added and in just last 3 more years, 2 more added.

    There were decades when West Indies will win every ODI world cup, Australia or Eng will win every test match. All others were minnows.

    Today India, Eng, Aus, NZ have great teams that beat each other on their good days. SA, Pak, SL, WI also canít be called minnows and then Afghanistan is coming up.

    More formats - ODI, T20, T10, 100 ball, have come up and are doing fine. Fitness level of players (Sharjeel apart) have gone up. Average bowling speed, average runs per over, shot innovation, fielding quality have gone up. Cheating (on and off ground) have come down thanks to laws, neutral umpires & technology.

    Till 1980 there were hardly any professional cricketer. Even Australian and South African players did odd jobs like plumbing, carpentry etc, while playing cricket as a part-time. Today top 8-9 countries have hundreds, even thousand, of full time cricketers each who donít have be driver, plumbers to make a living.

    Till 10-15 years back except England, no country had a system to financially sustain large more than 30 player pool. Today even 100 ranked Pakistani and WI and 1000 ranked Indian or Australian player can live off cricket through 1st class and league matches.

    There are 90+ associate OCC members today and their average playing standard is way better than it was even 20 years back. They are still not at England, India level but thatís why they are called associate members.

    More Test matches, ODIs and T20s are being played every year, covid year being an exception.

    I understand that whites in England and Australia are no so keen on cricket these days but who cares really. 90% of their teams are still whites.

    So yes, cricket is booming if we look at the larger context. Still itís good to be dissatisfied and hope to improve cricketing popularity even more.

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    Cricket South Africa (CSA) has decided to allow its IPL-bound players, who are also the part of Proteas squad for the Pakistan series, to leave for India after the second ODI on April 4.

    Pakistan will play three ICC World Cup Super League matches from April 2-7 and four T20Is from April 10-16 but the South African cricketers featuring in the IPL will leave for India after the second game.

    A number of South African players -- Kagiso Rabada and Anrich Nortje (both Delhi Capitals) hard hitter David Miller (Rajasthan Royals), pacer Lungi Ngidi (Chennai Super Kings), and wicket-keeper batsman Quinton de Kock (Mumbai Indians) -- are expected to join their respective franchises ahead of IPL 2021.

    According to a report, the IPL teams are checking on arranging a chartered flight so that the players don't miss the opening fixtures.

    As per BCCI's SOPs for IPL 2021, all players (except for those from the India-England series), support staff, and management entering the bubble need to undergo a seven-day quarantine period in their hotel rooms.

    Last month, New Zealand Cricket (NZC) said that it be would be granting No-Objection Certificates (NOCs) to its players for the upcoming IPL edition.

    Along with granting NOCs, it has also been confirmed that the Kiwis would be available for the entire edition of the T20 tournament.

    New Zealand Cricket spokesperson Richard Boock confirmed to ANI via email that the board would be granting NOCs and the players would be available for the entire edition of the IPL.

    IPL 2021 will begin on April 9 this year with RCB and Mumbai Indians facing each other in the tournament opener.

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    Cricket taking place all over the world just for the sake of it at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babbar View Post
    Till 1928, there were only 3 test teams, From 1928 to 2018, just 7 more got added and in just last 3 more years, 2 more added.

    There were decades when West Indies will win every ODI world cup, Australia or Eng will win every test match. All others were minnows.

    Today India, Eng, Aus, NZ have great teams that beat each other on their good days. SA, Pak, SL, WI also canít be called minnows and then Afghanistan is coming up.

    More formats - ODI, T20, T10, 100 ball, have come up and are doing fine. Fitness level of players (Sharjeel apart) have gone up. Average bowling speed, average runs per over, shot innovation, fielding quality have gone up. Cheating (on and off ground) have come down thanks to laws, neutral umpires & technology.

    Till 1980 there were hardly any professional cricketer. Even Australian and South African players did odd jobs like plumbing, carpentry etc, while playing cricket as a part-time. Today top 8-9 countries have hundreds, even thousand, of full time cricketers each who donít have be driver, plumbers to make a living.

    Till 10-15 years back except England, no country had a system to financially sustain large more than 30 player pool. Today even 100 ranked Pakistani and WI and 1000 ranked Indian or Australian player can live off cricket through 1st class and league matches.

    There are 90+ associate OCC members today and their average playing standard is way better than it was even 20 years back. They are still not at England, India level but thatís why they are called associate members.

    More Test matches, ODIs and T20s are being played every year, covid year being an exception.

    I understand that whites in England and Australia are no so keen on cricket these days but who cares really. 90% of their teams are still whites.

    So yes, cricket is booming if we look at the larger context. Still itís good to be dissatisfied and hope to improve cricketing popularity even more.
    This is why IPL is so important

    Before IPL , Indian cricketers not good enough to play national team had meagre earnings playing Ranji trophy. Often many decent players quit at 27-30 , to focus on some other profession which will ensure decent income after cricket

    Now thanks to IPL - hundreds of domestic cricketers earn big sums of money - enough to secure their financial future. Its same for lot of other countries

    Wonder how many top South African cricketers wud have gone Kolpak way if they did not have a IPL contract

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    Proteas captain Temba Bavuma says the players leaving for IPL after the second ODI against Pakistan won’t cause a lot of disruption to the squad.

    All Proteas players with IPL contracts will depart for India this coming Sunday after the Pink ODI in Johannesburg, meaning they will miss next week’s third encounter and the subsequent T2oI series against Pakistan.

    With the IPL starting at the end of next week, an arrangement was made by Cricket South Africa and the BCCI that all players involved with the Indian franchises will be available from the beginning of the competition.

    It ultimately meant a few new faces were included for the T20I squad that gets under way at the Wanderers on Saturday 10 April.

    ‘It’s probably not as disturbing now,’ said Bavuma in a press conference on Monday.

    ‘We are aware of the arrangement that is in place. For the first two games we’ve got the liberty of all our best players and it is important that we get the positive results from those two games. That is not saying that we are conceding the result in the third game.

    ‘We believe that we got worthy enough replacements coming in to fill those boots. We respect the relationship between Cricket South Africa and the BCCI.’

    Players set to leave the Proteas camp to travel to India for the IPL include Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, David Miller, Lungi Ngidi, and Anrich Nortje.

    Bavuma, though, will take charge of his first assignment as skipper of the two limited-overs teams and reckons it will be a good test of the squads’ character and depth.

    Wiaan Lubbe and Lizaad Williams are the two players called up to the national fold for the first time with Lubbe only selected in the T20I squad, while Williams was added to both lists.

    ‘The mood in the camp has been rather optimistic. It is always nice to get new faces in, guys being rewarded for their performances and talent that has been shown domestically. From the older guys as well, it’s always nice to have new faces in the team,’ Bavuma added.

    The first ODI gets under way at SuperSport Park in Centurion on Friday.

    Proteas ODI squad: Temba Bavuma (c), Quinton de Kock (wk), Beuran Hendricks, Heinrich Klaasen, Janneman Malan, Keshav Maharaj, Aiden Markram, David Miller, Lungi Ngidi, Anrich Nortje, Andile Phehlukwayo, Kagiso Rabada, Tabraiz Shamsi, Jon-Jon Smuts, Rassie van der Dussen, Junior Dala, Lutho Sipamla, Wiaan Mulder, Sisanda Magala, Kyle Verreynne, Daryn Dupavillon, Lizaad Williams.

    Proteas T20I squad: Temba Bavuma (c), Bjorn Fortuin, Beuran Hendricks, Reeza Hendricks, Heinrich Klaasen, George Linde, Rassie van der Dussen, Janneman Malan, Sisanda Magala, Dwaine Pretorius, Tabraiz Shamsi, Lutho Sipamla, Kyle Verreynne (wk), Pite van Biljon, Migael Pretorius, Lizaad Williams, Wihan Lubbe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Scary when you phrase it like that. Sport shouldn't be about making money though, that's a business. The main focus of these sports bodies should be ensuring a stable platform and aim to expand the game of cricket to other nations. From what I can see, cricket appears to be a dying sport. In the West at least. Perhaps they should refocus on what is important.
    Lol when you say that sport shouldnt be about making money. Look at all top international sports - Soccer, NFL, Rugby, pro-Golf, Tennis - everything is about money. Infact cricketers (except the Indian ones) make pittance compared to International sports. And why shouldnt sport be about making money- cricketers sacrifice a lot to play professional sport & they are entitled to make money if they entertain a wide set of audience.

    It is idealistic for anybody to think countries wont be selfish about this. For years, cricket was dominated by 2 countries - they set the rules & often played with each other & nobody had the guts to say anything to them. Now its BCCIís turn. Other country boards would do well to get their affairs in order & think of out of box solutions to make money/develop players than whining about others who are doing well.

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    I can't recognize many faces in the SA squad, it's seems we have another country where standards of Cricket are dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Lol when you say that sport shouldnt be about making money. Look at all top international sports - Soccer, NFL, Rugby, pro-Golf, Tennis - everything is about money. Infact cricketers (except the Indian ones) make pittance compared to International sports. And why shouldnt sport be about making money- cricketers sacrifice a lot to play professional sport & they are entitled to make money if they entertain a wide set of audience.

    It is idealistic for anybody to think countries wont be selfish about this. For years, cricket was dominated by 2 countries - they set the rules & often played with each other & nobody had the guts to say anything to them. Now its BCCIís turn. Other country boards would do well to get their affairs in order & think of out of box solutions to make money/develop players than whining about others who are doing well.
    You misunderstood. I never said people shouldn't make money in sport. I said sport shouldn't be about making money. If you make money the primary focus you will sacrifice on other things. Greed will be your downfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    You misunderstood. I never said people shouldn't make money in sport. I said sport shouldn't be about making money. If you make money the primary focus you will sacrifice on other things. Greed will be your downfall.
    Yeah exactly. Cricket today is openly money first, action later and i feel like it's the only major sport which has it's priorities so blatantly in that order.

    It'd be an easy fix to create a mandatory league or schedule where the big teams must tour Bangladesh etc. Can you imagine Man Utd saying they won't play West Brom because there's not enough money in it? However the ICC is just as culpable as anyone else when it comes to being money driven and they let the so called 'big boys' call the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Yeah exactly. Cricket today is openly money first, action later and i feel like it's the only major sport which has it's priorities so blatantly in that order.

    It'd be an easy fix to create a mandatory league or schedule where the big teams must tour Bangladesh etc. Can you imagine Man Utd saying they won't play West Brom because there's not enough money in it? However the ICC is just as culpable as anyone else when it comes to being money driven and they let the so called 'big boys' call the shots.
    Top level football is far worst example than cricket when it comes to money. There is little loyalty, be it country or club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someone21 View Post
    Top level football is far worst example than cricket when it comes to money. There is little loyalty, be it country or club.
    LOL. Loyalty is hardly a strength of the top football clubs either. They throw a player out when he gets old or if they get a lucrative deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    You misunderstood. I never said people shouldn't make money in sport. I said sport shouldn't be about making money. If you make money the primary focus you will sacrifice on other things. Greed will be your downfall.
    Marketing & commercialization are the name of game everywhere in the world - in all professional fields. If you cling to some outdated values & dont adapt, you are going to be left far behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    LOL. Loyalty is hardly a strength of the top football clubs either. They throw a player out when he gets old or if they get a lucrative deal.
    Not sure what loyalty has to do with a club throwing an old player out? These clubs are run professionally, they have people who scout for talent and the most important thing is one contracted players plays for one club only. You won't see all these things in Pyjama Cricket Leagues. A player like Pollard plays for 4-5 different T20 Clubs in a single year. Where is his loyalty? Same fans support different T20 teams in the same league and most of them can't even tell the name of the team who last won the IPL. Where is their loyalty? You will never see a Liverpool fan supporting Manchester United. You will find Indians living in India wearing jerseys of NBA clubs or EPL/La Liga teams but you will hardly find an english guy wearing IPL jerseys. That is how popular this league cricket is.

    It is funny that people like to compare football which is being played in almost all countries with cricket which is restricted to 12-20 countries only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Marketing & commercialization are the name of game everywhere in the world - in all professional fields. If you cling to some outdated values & dont adapt, you are going to be left far behind.
    Sure, I'll follow them all straight to hell because I wouldn't want to be left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Sure, I'll follow them all straight to hell because I wouldn't want to be left behind.
    This is less like good vs bad or moral vs immoral, and more like, the world is changing and moving forward, those who still want to ride horses instead of moving onto automobiles, will be left very far behind


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    This is less like good vs bad or moral vs immoral, and more like, the world is changing and moving forward, those who still want to ride horses instead of moving onto automobiles, will be left very far behind
    It's very much an ethical issue, and not a technological one. What are you talking about?

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    Mark Boucher speaking to the media:

    ďI didnít make the decision to let the players go to the IPL. Thatís a question people above me in authority can answer. There has been a long standing agreement between BCCI and CSA about the IPL. I think it could be in a document as well that our players are released to go to India. I wasnít involved in that decision making but I do know that there is some sort of contractual agreement that we are just upholding"

    ďIt isnít ideal for preparation going into the T20 World Cup year. But I think we need to take positives out of it as well. These guys will be going to India and playing in a good competition, so they will be getting first-hand information about the different venues in India. It will also give us opportunity to test our bench strength"


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    Given current performance, this IPL may well be a blessing for Pakistan's chances in the final ODI


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    IPL is the best domestic T20 league, they have tremendous clout, they attract top global talent and provide quality nail-biting matches.

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    One would expect Pakistan to win the next game, given the IPL bunch will not be playing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    One would expect Pakistan to win the next game, given the IPL bunch will not be playing?
    Pakistan will have the advantage but I don't think we should be overconfident. Our middle-order is still a pack of cards waiting to fall over. After No.4 things start to get very murky.

    I assume Janneman Malan and Sipamla will slot in. They are good enough to make the first team anyways. On top of that you still have Rassie vd Dussen in the form of his life.

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    Excited to see how some of these new South African players do. Have heard good things about Lizaad Williams and Sidanda Magala.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mark Boucher speaking to the media:

    “I didn’t make the decision to let the players go to the IPL. That’s a question people above me in authority can answer. There has been a long standing agreement between BCCI and CSA about the IPL. I think it could be in a document as well that our players are released to go to India. I wasn’t involved in that decision making but I do know that there is some sort of contractual agreement that we are just upholding"

    “It isn’t ideal for preparation going into the T20 World Cup year. But I think we need to take positives out of it as well. These guys will be going to India and playing in a good competition, so they will be getting first-hand information about the different venues in India. It will also give us opportunity to test our bench strength"
    Get a real feel of powerlessness from Boucher's statement. It's a real shame that the IPL has taken the game captive with its influence extending to manipulating entire cricket boards now.

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    CSA has an agreement with BCCI to keep the window open and allow SA players to take part in IPL.This series was arranged because Australia cancelled their tour of SA.It has nothing to do with pressure from BCCI.CSA wants their players to make easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artaxerxes View Post
    CSA has an agreement with BCCI to keep the window open and allow SA players to take part in IPL.This series was arranged because Australia cancelled their tour of SA.It has nothing to do with pressure from BCCI.CSA wants their players to make easy money.
    Then what's stopping the players from joining the IPL a little later?

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    Batting wise I think Janneman and Verreynne will slot in for De Kock and Miller and both those replacements are pretty good. It is the bowling where South Africa will miss the IPL bound players, we will have to see how the new bowlers perform. I think they will miss Nortje the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    One would expect Pakistan to win the next game, given the IPL bunch will not be playing?
    The absence of key SA players will really dampen Pakistan's victory for me. It just wont be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_ahm View Post
    Batting wise I think Janneman and Verreynne will slot in for De Kock and Miller and both those replacements are pretty good. It is the bowling where South Africa will miss the IPL bound players, we will have to see how the new bowlers perform. I think they will miss Nortje the most.


    I have heard Sisanda Magala is a good death bowler and handy batsmen, do you know anything about him?

    I think Wian Mulder may come into give a 6th bowling option and potentially Keshav Mahraj may come in as he can bat as well.

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    We should do the same to SA in future

    Arrange PSL and a series with them at the same time.

    After a couple of matches, send our main players back for PSL and leave test team type of players to play the remaining games. Dont invite SA players to PSL as well.

    Let's see how they feel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem is that PSL doesnít have the auqaat to encroach international cricket and force boards to bow to their teams.

    PSL is a low-budget league that cannot afford the best contemporary players in the world. Apart from a few exceptions, it can only attract fringe players and former greats who are washed up.

    90% of the best active players in the world do not play in PSL so there is no danger of PSL impacting international cricket.
    If PSL is a low level budget league then how about we dont sent invitation to Saffers in future? Let's see how they react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    If PSL is a low level budget league then how about we dont sent invitation to Saffers in future? Let's see how they react.
    So you would be willing to dilute the quality of PSL to attempt to hurt CSA. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    If PSL is a low level budget league then how about we dont sent invitation to Saffers in future? Let's see how they react.
    If PSL is not a low-level budget league why arenít the top players in the world playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    If PSL is not a low-level budget league why arenít the top players in the world playing?
    Its not a low level budget league, its one of the highest levels in the world, might not be IPL but its not low level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    If PSL is a low level budget league then how about we dont sent invitation to Saffers in future? Let's see how they react.
    South Africa’s home season usually goes on during the PSL and I’m sure they have domestic games during PSL. So it won’t really affect South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    If PSL is not a low-level budget league why arenít the top players in the world playing?
    Very straightforward. Everyone knows India and Pakistan dont get on. If a world class player who has a high earning in IPL also plays in the PSL then he risks upsetting BCCI or IPL owners. So to protect their position in the IPL they ignore us. This a long conspiracy against Pakistan cricket with the seeds being planted by India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    Very straightforward. Everyone knows India and Pakistan dont get on. If a world class player who has a high earning in IPL also plays in the PSL then he risks upsetting BCCI or IPL owners. So to protect their position in the IPL they ignore us. This a long conspiracy against Pakistan cricket with the seeds being planted by India.
    Proof? BCCI has shown only money matters ans they have been extremely professional about these things. Many top players (or even bottom ones) have left IPL in beginning or middle, leaving their teams in lurch, but never ever been punished by BCCI or team owners

    Top players have all pull in IPL, no way any star will ever be snubbed. In fact the teams have shown most bias against English players amd Kiwi players who never play PSL just because they are attracted to aussie players. Aussies useless players get so much money while good English players and NZ players get ignored

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    QDK
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    Who else missing?

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    The boards are worried they could lose some players to IPL.Players are playing in IPL for money.Can the boards offer similar amounts?.Aus,England and N Zealand can afford to but other board don't have the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    We should do the same to SA in future

    Arrange PSL and a series with them at the same time.

    After a couple of matches, send our main players back for PSL and leave test team type of players to play the remaining games. Dont invite SA players to PSL as well.

    Let's see how they feel!
    Dont think teams are jumping through loops to play pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja Ishtiaq View Post
    We should do the same to SA in future

    Arrange PSL and a series with them at the same time.

    After a couple of matches, send our main players back for PSL and leave test team type of players to play the remaining games. Dont invite SA players to PSL as well.

    Let's see how they feel!
    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Dont think teams are jumping through loops to play pakistan.
    Don't understand where the arrogance comes from ? PCB is in no position to do such thing.
    Don't invite SA players to PSL.. What are they gonna loose. Some short change.
    Last edited by hoshiarpurexpress; 5th April 2021 at 13:05.

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    Its a shame that the players cant stay for the final ODI. This has been a really entertaining series. The first ODI cricket really sat down and watched ball to ball probably since the 2019 WC.

    Pak are in a no-win situation really if we lose people will berate us for losing to an SA B/C team and if we win it will be a tainted win because they are missing half their first XI.

    Though Muhammad Waseem has tried to level the playing field i think by picking a 4 man batting line up. N the worst middle order in Pakistan history.


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