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    "My job is not to please others or just give in to what people want" : Mohammad Wasim

    Pakistan Chief Selector Mohammad Wasim has recently been in the limelight after announcing the squads for Pakistan's tours of South Africa and Zimbabwe. Whilst Wasim has painstakingly explained his stance on selection matters, recent media reports have cast doubt over his relationship with Pakistan captain Babar Azam and other players.

    In an exclusive interview with PakPassion.net, Wasim spoke about a number of selection choices including that of excluding Yasir Shah, Imad Wasim and Haris Sohail, the continued inclusion of Sarfaraz Ahmed as the back-up for Mohammad Rizwan, commented on Mohammad Amir's decision to retire from international cricket, the decision to pick several untried players and explained why he always selects squads based on his own judgement rather than to please others.





    PakPassion.net: Yasir Shah has stated that he would have been fit for the tour of Zimbabwe and that nobody communicated to him that he was going to miss out on selection. Is this true?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    It was a simple case as far as Yasir Shah’s situation was concerned. I was in touch with the team physio, and I saw Yasir’s medical reports. It was felt that Yasir needed more time to recover from his injury and in addition he would have needed time for his rehabilitation. So, there were too many ifs and buts regarding his fitness and availability for selection and it was a clear-cut case for us that he wasn’t fully fit for this tour.


    PakPassion.net: Did you tell Yasir that he wasn’t going to be picked for the Test series against Zimbabwe?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I had a chat with Yasir and I explained everything to him about the fact that he was injured and he was well aware of that as he was struggling in the second Test match against South Africa. Also, we have planned with him that he will work at the NHPC with Saqlain Mushtaq and the physios will work with him on a fitness plan. Saqlain will look at his bowling and look at how the injury can be prevented in future. We want to make sure he completes his recovery and his rehabilitation and also to make sure that the injury doesn’t happen again. We wish to help him prolong his career, otherwise who knows how long he can continue to play with these types of injuries as they can be very damaging for him.

    So this will give Yasir a chance to fully recover, make the adjustments that Saqlain Mushtaq and the other coaches recommend. Hopefully he will be pain-free and injury-free in future and he can serve Pakistan for the next three years at least.


    PakPassion.net: Many people feel that Haris Sohail has been treated unfairly by not being picked for the Pakistan One-Day squad. What are your reasons for not picking him?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    My major concern about Haris is his current level of fitness. I’ve seen him playing some domestic cricket and at the moment I can’t see him standing on the field for 100 overs or even close to 100 overs. I can’t see him batting for 50 overs or thereabouts either. There is no doubt he needs to improve his fitness and his current form. I spoke with him about his batting position and I told him that there could be a spot in the middle-order available to him, maybe 4, 5 or 6. For him to grab one of those spots he needs to improve his strike-rate and to show more commitment. He needs to keep up with the rest of the world and what the team needs from him.

    He will be sent to the NHPC where he will work on developing a few more shots, to come out of his shell a bit and improve his strike-rate. He will be around but he needs to work on a few things, show more commitment and he will be back. We all know he is very talented, but I do think that he has the ability to serve the team better than what he has done so far in his international career.


    PakPassion.net: What is the thinking behind picking Sarfaraz Ahmed as the back-up to Mohammad Rizwan in all formats. Would it not be better to give a youngster a chance in perhaps some of the formats?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    We gave careful thought to this situation before the Pakistan Super League and came to the conclusion that Sarfaraz has been a very important part of the team for a long time. So, you want to make sure that if any chances come up then you are giving the chance to the most deserving and in-form person and that at the moment is Sarfaraz. We were also looking at the roles of the prospective replacement wicket-keepers and where they could bat. We know what Rizwan is capable of but we needed to look at what would happen if Rizwan gets injured and where any replacement would fit in. We wanted to look at the complete picture, including the strike-rate of the various options. The way Sarfaraz batted in the Pakistan Super League showed that he can be flexible and come down the order and bat with a high strike-rate. He made his case at the PSL and showed that he has still got it as a batsman and he gave us a clear message with his performances at the PSL.

    In addition, I feel that we don’t have a young ready-made replacement wicket-keeper/batsman to replace Sarfaraz especially in red-ball cricket where he is far ahead of the competition. If you look at the white-ball formats, we have some youngsters like Rohail Nazir and Azam Khan and a couple of others, the potential is there but Sarfaraz with his performances at the PSL has made it even tougher for the youngsters which is a good sign as he has raised the bar. We’ll keep an eye on how things progress, but at the moment Sarfaraz is our second-best option when it comes to the wicket-keeper/batsman role.


    PakPassion.net: What are your thoughts about Mohammad Amir’s retirement and is he a player that you would be interested in selecting if he took back his retirement?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    It’s very difficult to comment about a player who is not available for the national team. He is not available for selection at the moment, if he was available then I could answer your question. As he is not available, I think it would be unfair on the players who are available if I made a comment about Amir.


    PakPassion.net: Would you like to see Mohammad Amir take back his retirement from international cricket?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    My stance on this issue is very simple. Retirement is not an easy decision for a player - it’s not a trivial thing. Whoever makes this decision and whenever they make it, it takes a lot of effort, a lot of thought and a lot of people are involved in making the decision including a player’s family and close friends. When someone makes such a big decision, then everyone should respect that decision and not wonder about whether that player should take back his decision or not. At the moment Amir has made his decision and we have to respect it. If he hadn’t retired then it would be a different scenario, but at the moment I respect his decision.


    PakPassion.net: Shoaib Malik is nowhere to be seen in your squads, is it the end of his international career?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I spoke with Shoaib and we discussed my plans and his role. If he performs and there is a space for him then he might be considered. I’m not ruling him out but at the moment, as I told him, it will be difficult to pick him for the number he is batting at. We discussed a few things and he said he will work on those things and I’ll keep an eye on him at the PSL. He has the experience but what the team needs from him is something different. He knows exactly what he needs to do if he is to make an international comeback.


    PakPassion.net: You have recently stated that Imad Wasim has limitations, can you elaborate on what you meant by this statement?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I had a chat with Imad and we discussed a few things about my future plans. But let me clarify my comments on limitations regarding Imad. Firstly, I could only send a certain number of white-ball players to South Africa and Zimbabwe, so I couldn’t send everyone there. I had that luxury for the home series where I could pick players for different formats but as this is a combined squad, I couldn’t send everyone, including the back-up players.

    With Shadab coming back into the team as the main spin-bowling all-rounder there was only one slot available and then Imad was competing with Mohammad Nawaz for the second spot. Nawaz has been brilliant whenever he has played, in domestic and also for the national team. At the moment it is a comparison between Imad and Nawaz and if I look at current form then Nawaz has the edge. Nawaz also gives the captain the option that he can bowl in any situation, in any conditions and against any type of batsman and that’s where Imad has his limitations.

    We have seen Imad being more effective with the new ball and if he doesn’t bowl with the new ball then his middle overs bowling is an area he needs to work on. If he’s not needed with the new ball and if the captain prefers another fast bowler to get him some early breakthroughs as he wants wicket-taking options from both ends, then Imad needs to improve his bowling in the middle overs against all types of batsmen including left-handers.

    As a Twenty20 cricketer you need to be able to bat anywhere and bowl anytime in any conditions. At the moment I feel that Imad cannot do this and therefore he has his limitations. There are situations where he is useful, but he needs to improve on the areas which I have mentioned.

    Imad will go to the NHPC and work with Saqlain Mushtaq and he will improve. I am not ruling out anyone for a recall and I am not saying that Imad is not in our future plans but the level of competition is high. I have tried to create a challenging environment where we have competition for places and there is pressure on all players to keep their place. This is good for Pakistan cricket and is how it should be, that the players in the Shaheens team or back-up players should be ready to take over when the opportunity arises.

    We saw at the PSL that some of the boys were coming out of their comfort zone and bowling with the new ball, trying different things and this is exactly what we wanted to see. We want Imad to come out of his comfort zone and we want to have a backup for every player to step in when they are required.


    PakPassion.net: To be picked after playing just 1 First-class match and 1 List-A match is a rare occurrence. What do you see that is special in Abdullah Shafique?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    Abdullah was very impressive when we saw him in the Under-19s. He was also part of the Pakistan Super League and we were impressed by the way he played red-ball 3-day cricket at the domestic level and then the way he played in First-class cricket when he got a chance. Technically he is very sound, and he has a lot of potential and wherever he has played he has impressed everyone.

    Technically he is also very solid which is important given the fact that we are lacking in good opening batsmen. Even in First-class cricket there aren’t any stand-out openers as most of the top run-scorers in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy were middle-order batsmen. We’ve looked at this guy and we feel that he is someone who we can invest in and who has potential. I hope that over the course of time he will prove his worth.


    PakPassion.net: You’ve received some criticism for picking young cricketers on the back of a couple of decent PSL performances. What do you say in response to this?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I think people are forgetting that there are two tours, South Africa and Zimbabwe. Everybody is thinking that the squad is just for South Africa and are overlooking the Zimbabwe leg of the tour where we have matches also. We want to try out these new boys like Arshad Iqbal who has a bit of experience as he has been around for the last couple of seasons and has been bowling well not just in the PSL but also in domestic cricket.

    Mohammad Wasim Jr has been picked early but I want to reiterate the point about fast-tracking players where we are lacking options. Wasim comes into the all-rounder category because he can bowl his full 4 overs. We had other options like Amad Butt and Aamer Yamin but can they be considered as reliable bowlers, because what we are seeing is that they are only okay bowling a couple of overs. Yamin is good with the new ball but he struggles with the older ball. Amad Butt cannot be relied upon to bowl 4 overs and that is where both Yamin and Amad need to improve and this is where the coaches will come in and work with both of them.

    Wasim comes in not just as a fast-bowler, but as an all-rounder. He can give you 4 reliable overs and he can bat. At the moment we only have Faheem Ashraf as a pace-bowling all-rounder so we need a back-up for him and Wasim gives us that option. There are quite a few games on the upcoming tour and if Faheem needs a break Wasim will be there.

    Twenty20 cricket is about energy and fresh legs and whilst I agree that some players have been brought in early in their careers, I am trying to build a pool of players and want to try out these youngsters for a couple of series and then trim down our options before selecting the Twenty20 World Cup squad. We are experimenting a bit and that is to increase our pool of players and to increase our options.


    PakPassion.net: What’s Kamran Ghulam done wrong to be treated the way he has been by the selectors?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I am looking at all these middle-order batsmen based upon their performances and I always give priority to those who have been consistent over the years. Kamran’s competitor is Saud Shakeel. Both bat at number 3 or 4 in the batting-order and I had to pick only one of these two. Saud comes in ahead of Kamran because he has been performing consistently for a number of years. Kamran had a good season but when I compare their numbers Saud comes out on top.

    Kamran was close to selection, but he misses out because we felt we needed another fast bowler on the tour and we chose Shahnawaz Dhani. These are the two reasons why Kamran Ghulam missed out. Also, Agha Salman is another who has been performing in the last couple of years and deserved to be selected. Kamran is in our plans but the boys who have been performing over the years will get preference.


    PakPassion.net: You speak about performing consistently over a period of time. Hasn’t Usman Salahuddin been doing that, yet once again his name is nowhere to be seen?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    Usman had a good second half of the domestic season. I had a chat with him and spoke to him about the areas that he needs to work on. I’m looking at the type of player we have for each role. We have Agha Salman who is a specialist at number 5 or 6 and if I put someone else in that spot that wouldn’t be fair. Usman needs to improve a few things, firstly his strike-rate and that is relevant even in 4-day cricket. Usman has played for Pakistan and I would like him to come into the squad when he will be considered to play in the starting XI rather than just as a squad player. We are keeping an eye on him but there are a couple of things that he needs to improve and once he does that, we will see him around in Pakistan colours.


    PakPassion.net: What lessons have been learnt from the selection of Naseem Shah?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    He has had injury problems and that has affected his confidence and his form. The boy has a lot of talent and it takes time to recover from injuries. He has from time to time shown what he is capable of, but the most important thing is for him to get fully fit and firing again. He’s been invited to the camp for the South Africa and Zimbabwe tour so it’s important that he can be around the squad and work with Waqar Younis and the other coaches.

    What we all need to look at is why he is getting injured regularly as only then can we involve him in our plans. At the moment we want him to get fit as it wouldn’t have been fair on him to be recalled straight after injury. I would like him to play more First-Class cricket as perhaps he was lacking the benefit of having played much 4-day cricket in the past when he was selected. This way he can improve his fitness and form. But I am sure he will make a strong comeback.


    PakPassion.net: There were reports that Babar Azam was unhappy with the squad that was selected for the tour of South Africa and Zimbabwe. Can you give your side of the story regarding this issue?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    It wasn’t how it was reported. We followed the procedures and we had meetings. I was in Lahore for 3 days and I had several, long meetings with Babar and Misbah and we came up with the squad. Obviously, there are discussions and debates but there were no disagreements over 10 or 11 players as I read. Everything is fine between us.


    PakPassion.net: Who has the final say on the selection of the squad, you, the Captain or the Head Coach?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    Team selection is a result of brain storming and teamwork between the selectors and other stakeholders and Alhamdulillah 99.99% of the time we are on the same page but there can be some discussions and healthy debates like there should be and in that case I have to make a final call or decision considering various factors, combinations and short to long-term deals. For example, we spoke about the Twenty20 openers and the captain wanted Fakhar Zaman and Sharjeel Khan and that’s who we gave him. We will always try to compromise with the captain and coach.


    PakPassion.net: It seems that everybody in Pakistan is a Chief Selector, former players, media, fans. Does that make your job even harder than you thought it would be?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    I respect everyone’s opinions and points of view. The former players have a lot of experience so there is nothing wrong with them giving their point of view. As cricket is a passion therefore every aspect of cricket is discussed amongst the general public and media, but my job is not to please others or just give in to what people want. Everyone has their opinions on who should be in the squad, but my job is to pick the best possible players that are available to play for Pakistan and that’s what I am focussing on. I listen to everyone but it’s not necessary that I have to consider their opinions.


    PakPassion.net: Has Babar Azam got too much on his plate by being skipper in all three formats?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    Babar is learning. He’s a quick learner and obviously it’s early days regarding his captaincy. But the way things are going, the most important aspect is that he is a performer himself and that makes his job easier. If he performs in all formats, then that makes things easier for him as a skipper of the side to motivate or lift the team. He’s learning every day and everyone around him is helping him. So far what we have seen from him has been encouraging and I feel that with time he will get better and better as a skipper and serve Pakistan well InshAllah.


    PakPassion.net: Your critics are also saying that you are trying to please too many people and are making too many changes. Is that unfair criticism?

    Mohammad Wasim:
    If I wanted to please everyone then I wouldn’t be getting any criticism, would I? I am not trying to make everyone happy, but I am trying to do the job to the best of my ability. Selection is such a thing that you can never satisfy everyone. Even if you picked 1000 players, people will still say that you should have picked this player or that player. Here I would like to highlight that we have set specific goals and have tried to make the selection process methodical rather than based on likes and dislikes and InshAllah you will find us consistent in that process.

    I am not really bothered about the criticism that comes with the job. It’s a tough job and I am trying to keep it simple. When it came to the selection of the Twenty20 squad, I have made changes and given a chance to players, but we have to bear in mind that the Twenty20 World Cup is not too far away. So, we need to do the experimenting now and not nearer the time of the tournament. What is disappointing to hear is that whilst I have only been Chief Selector for two series and we have won both of them, some people are reacting as if it has been a disaster and I have done everything wrong.
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    Why didn't you ask about Usman Salahuddin opening in tests as you promised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Why didn't you ask about Usman Salahuddin opening in tests as you promised?
    Saj had a long discussion on Usman's batting position with Mohammad Wasim but it was too long to put in this interview as text, however the gist of it is part of the interview write-up as above.
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    Good interview, Some of the Answer are very clear, I don't know how good Wasim jr in batting (bowling have seen and have lot of potential), if he is capable than why not try him out as i don't believe Amad butt & Amir Yamin are international quality.

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    Saj to wasim : why is mr.x not selected?
    Wasim : i had a chat with him / i spoke with him and we discussed my plan.we have planned with him that he will work at the NHPC .

    He is totally clueless without any vision seems like he prepared a script in his Mr.selector or you can call it laptop .

    So just PARROTTING that script .
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    We might never see Haris Sohail playing again for Pak as his fitness will not get any better.

    What a waste it has been. Wonderfull talent, very good player.

    Remember his innings vs NZ during the WC. he was superb and actually showed how good a talent he is.

    A real shame.

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    My job is not to please others or just give in to what people want

    That's the talk of a lion rather than submissive yesman like Salu, Mohsin, Inti, Qasim........ That's the only to go forward.

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    Agreed with 95% of what he said there. You cant please everybody. People like to talk about everything Naseem shah when came on international scene got a 5iver then won another match but now he is a failed experiment.

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    Proof is in the pudding.

    We're all selectors on PP; bottom line is:

    'I have only been Chief Selector for two series and we have won both of them, some people are reacting as if it has been a disaster and I have done everything wrong.'

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    Also like that there is a clear emphasis on strike rates when he was discussing the batting options and omissions; same for fitness but that's unfortunately contradicted by the inclusion of Sharjeel... but hey, he's running 10K a day now ha ha.

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    It's funny to me that we judge M. Wasim, and not the previous selectors for not giving any weighting on domestic cricket.

    He's certainly shown he's a competent selector and far from being a "yes man", he's the first guy that looks like he does his job rather than waking up from a nap and making a selection from scratch.

    This interview i have to say was miles better than the one Waheed did with more hard hitting questions.

    Lastly, I would like to say that it's unprofessional in my view to criticise the selection just before the team is about to head off for their respective tours cause then people will just use this as a scapegoat.

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    He needs to be careful that he doesn’t upset player. Right now a lot of his decisions and the reasons he gives for them are upsetting players. Everyone has a difference of opinion but he needs to try to understand how to manage certain players and not upset them.

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    This is a top interview

    Muhammad wasim sounds competent ,besides he was the coach at northern and performed well so he's well versed with the domestic scene.

    I would even go for as to say pcb with misbah may have betted on the wrong horse when misbah was the supreme leader and then started losing his various positions one by one.

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    He makes a lot of good points in the interview in defence of some of his selections. The results of the series and the performances of the surprise players selected (if they even get a game) will be Mohammad Wasim's judge.

    Not all players selected are there because they can be in the strongest XI. In reality a handful of these players will not be brought to major tournaments or trusted in the biggest games right now. But there are other reasons for selecting players, especially fringe ones. To bed into international cricket, to get the experience of training and travelling with the national team, to potentially get a bit of match time against weaker opponents like Zimbabwe for the sake of experimentation.


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    Some of his defense arguments are laughable. Haris can't stay on the field for 100 overs (but Sharjeel obviously can considering he will be back in ODI squad after this series). Haris needs to improve his SR while he has a career ODI SR of 85 which is better than every other middle order batter apart from Babar.

    He says Imad can't bat in all situations and apparently Nawaz can who we have seen scratching to 15 and 20 on his best days. Imad is the only player in LOIs who can effectively bat in different situations (apart from Babar offcourse)

    If consistency is a merit, then simply Kamran shouldn't have been dropped. Saud has been called in the ODI squad out of nowhere. It's almost like forcing the team management to play Saud in ODIs in place of Haris.

    Abdullah Shafiq was very good in u19 and some 3 day cricket. I am pretty sure Ahmed Shehzad was also very good in u19 and grade 2 cricket and stuff. He should be picked as well.

    And the thing about seeing the medical reports and medical record of Yasir, did he discuss with a doctor about how long will it take for Yasir to recover or he has learned that as well during his tenure.

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    Should have asked the question on why we are persisting with Abid Ali and imran butt. Why arent these guys been dropped and asked to make improvements to their games.

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    Sorry but the Haris Sohail explaination doesn't make sense when you've neglected all fitness standards for a significantly worse off pllayer Sharjeel.

    Didn't buy his explanation about Imad either. He seems oblivious to the fact that Imad is an important lower-order finisher matched by practically no one in the side. Regardless of how he may have done in a handful of PSL games he has succeeded at the international level which matters most.

    On the flip side, the guy who has done incredibly well in PSL and NT20: Fakhar is nowhere to be found in the T20 squad.

    Zero consistency from the chief selector.
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    I am trying to build a pool of players and want to try out these youngsters for a couple of series and then trim down our options before selecting the Twenty20 World Cup squad. We are experimenting a bit and that is to increase our pool of players and to increase our options.
    We have been waiting years for this!! Finally new players are getting tested against lesser teams.

    Just like I mentioned before in some other thread: with time he will build towards a fixed squad for the World T20. We already know what Malik, Wahab, Imad can do and they can always return if some other potentially better players fail to perform consistently.

    Good going by M Wasim. Hope he stays at the least 1,5 years to build a decent team in which all domestic players get rewarded more often.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolcapri View Post
    Good interview, Some of the Answer are very clear, I don't know how good Wasim jr in batting (bowling have seen and have lot of potential), if he is capable than why not try him out as i don't believe Amad butt & Amir Yamin are international quality.
    Thier is also potentional thier in his batting he can hit big like he has showen in u19s

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    The responses from Wasim were clear. I think he makes a lot of sense.

    For guys having the Haris vs Sharjeel debate, guys Haris has had a long standing issue with his knees ... for anyone who has played a little bit of cricket, he cant play any kind of longish innings. Sharjeel while unfit for an athlete, does not have any chronic injury concerns. And Haris was a bunny for every Aussie bowler who got any sort of bounce and given the Saffers are going to create similar bouncy wickets, I think it is a rather good decision to sit him out. Sharjeel on the other hand, is good against bounce (PS: I am not fan of sharjeel but his inclusion makes sense). And with Haris, you always feel that a ghost citing is around the corner!

    As for Imad, I think it is more to do with his silly attitude in the last few months than anything else. He has just started to think of himself as some 'senior' and he has been rightly shown his place. Even Wasim's comments there made sense from a technical perspective. If Imad does not bowl at the start, he struggles in the middle overs and does not add a lot of value. Again I dont think Nawaz is really the answer but Nawaz is atleast a hard worker, has no bulging tummy, has 0 attitude and spins the bowl!

    All in all, I think these selections would keep everyone on their toes to not take their positions for granted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    The responses from Wasim were clear. I think he makes a lot of sense.

    For guys having the Haris vs Sharjeel debate, guys Haris has had a long standing issue with his knees ... for anyone who has played a little bit of cricket, he cant play any kind of longish innings. Sharjeel while unfit for an athlete, does not have any chronic injury concerns. And Haris was a bunny for every Aussie bowler who got any sort of bounce and given the Saffers are going to create similar bouncy wickets, I think it is a rather good decision to sit him out. Sharjeel on the other hand, is good against bounce (PS: I am not fan of sharjeel but his inclusion makes sense). And with Haris, you always feel that a ghost citing is around the corner!

    As for Imad, I think it is more to do with his silly attitude in the last few months than anything else. He has just started to think of himself as some 'senior' and he has been rightly shown his place. Even Wasim's comments there made sense from a technical perspective. If Imad does not bowl at the start, he struggles in the middle overs and does not add a lot of value. Again I dont think Nawaz is really the answer but Nawaz is atleast a hard worker, has no bulging tummy, has 0 attitude and spins the bowl!

    All in all, I think these selections would keep everyone on their toes to not take their positions for granted.
    There is no debate between Sharjeel and Haris. Haris is twice the batsman Sharjeel is.

    Sharjeel is a hack and a bunny against any type of bowling which is why he averages in the 20s against good quality attacks in international cricket.

    Haris is lazy but his batting quality is more than good enough for our pathetic standards, especially in ODI cricket.

    Yes he has chronic knee issues but I bet that is not the reason why he got dropped.

    Wasim can say what he wants in the media but the reality is that he is trying very hard to come across as a visionary genius and steal spotlight from Babar and Misbah.

    He is picking rookie players hoping that they would fluke a performance so that everyone would praise his vision and eye for talent.

    The job of a selector is not to make himself look good and that is what he is trying to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There is no debate between Sharjeel and Haris. Haris is twice the batsman Sharjeel is.

    Sharjeel is a hack and a bunny against any type of bowling which is why he averages in the 20s against good quality attacks in international cricket.

    Haris is lazy but his batting quality is more than good enough for our pathetic standards, especially in ODI cricket.

    Yes he has chronic knee issues but I bet that is not the reason why he got dropped.

    Wasim can say what he wants in the media but the reality is that he is trying very hard to come across as a visionary genius and steal spotlight from Babar and Misbah.

    He is picking rookie players hoping that they would fluke a performance so that everyone would praise his vision and eye for talent.

    The job of a selector is not to make himself look good and that is what he is trying to do.
    Why have a CS or Selectors if they are just supposed to give the team management whatever they want? Let the team management run the show then

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    All selectors will justify their decisions. That's the job.

    However, I find some of Wasim's explanations a bit off. I also don't think he has the confidence of the captain or the players. I am also not sure if he has those chats with players, the other side has accepted his explanations or are on the same page.

    Having said that, I'd say he needs time to stamp his own vision.

    It is the nature of selections that people who love or hate a particular player or two for whatever reason will judge the selector with that bias. However, he has barely had time - so I am going to wait on this one.

    Atleast he hasn't brought back Mohammad Irfan, Musa, Sohail Khan, Shoaib Malik and others into the test squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The cricket enthusiast View Post
    Saj to wasim : why is mr.x not selected?
    Wasim : i had a chat with him / i spoke with him and we discussed my plan.we have planned with him that he will work at the NHPC .

    He is totally clueless without any vision seems like he prepared a script in his Mr.selector or you can call it laptop .

    So just PARROTTING that script .
    He replied to the questions asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Should have asked the question on why we are persisting with Abid Ali and imran butt. Why arent these guys been dropped and asked to make improvements to their games.
    Imran I can understand as he has just come into the team( the signs are not promising) but Abid brings nothing to the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    The responses from Wasim were clear. I think he makes a lot of sense.

    For guys having the Haris vs Sharjeel debate, guys Haris has had a long standing issue with his knees ... for anyone who has played a little bit of cricket, he cant play any kind of longish innings. Sharjeel while unfit for an athlete, does not have any chronic injury concerns. And Haris was a bunny for every Aussie bowler who got any sort of bounce and given the Saffers are going to create similar bouncy wickets, I think it is a rather good decision to sit him out. Sharjeel on the other hand, is good against bounce (PS: I am not fan of sharjeel but his inclusion makes sense). And with Haris, you always feel that a ghost citing is around the corner!

    As for Imad, I think it is more to do with his silly attitude in the last few months than anything else. He has just started to think of himself as some 'senior' and he has been rightly shown his place. Even Wasim's comments there made sense from a technical perspective. If Imad does not bowl at the start, he struggles in the middle overs and does not add a lot of value. Again I dont think Nawaz is really the answer but Nawaz is atleast a hard worker, has no bulging tummy, has 0 attitude and spins the bowl!

    All in all, I think these selections would keep everyone on their toes to not take their positions for granted.
    Just to add, Haris did struggle against short ball especially if he has to score quick runs, He can pull or hock the ball on his body, He back away to create room and if bowler follows him than he just swing blindly. Amazingly its been and old issue and no one is able to fix it for him.

    Imad is smarter bowler than Nawaz, But i think the his performance in PSL and reluctant to bowl has cost him, Spinner has to brave enough and not bother about getting hit,
    Wasim is right saying he needs to improve in middle over and especially against left arm batsman. Since Dunk hit him in last PSL he's been very reluctant to bowl against left arm batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He needs to be careful that he doesn’t upset player. Right now a lot of his decisions and the reasons he gives for them are upsetting players. Everyone has a difference of opinion but he needs to try to understand how to manage certain players and not upset them.
    As most of these guys are useless, lets upset them to get them to perform. If it forces the like of Imad to lose weight, get fitter and improve his bowling, then its a win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Why have a CS or Selectors if they are just supposed to give the team management whatever they want? Let the team management run the show then
    That is how it should be. The decision to merge the selector and coach role was a progressive one but when Misbah was found wanting on both fronts, Wasim did not have the guts to sack him and reverted to the old, non-functional model of a selector and coach/captain struggling to get on the same page.

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    Misbah : - reluctant to give chances to rookies and try out youngsters even against lower ranked teams. One of the most defensive mindset.. remember the team he selected for the zim home series and they even lost a game with those seniors. he only knows players who played under him in the past, he quickly gave chances to his buddies when he became selector who were nowhere to be seen under MA in terms of performance , to list a few (ifthikar, sohail , imran jr, irfan, u.akmal, shehzad)

    Wasim : - willing to give chances to rookies and try youngsters especially against weak and lower ranked teams, which is good for the team to build their bench strength, and keep players ready for like a like replacements for the seniors when needed

    Obviously there is a huge difference between these two.. there will be definitely a lot of arguments.
    Babar is just voicing the frustrations of Misbah , since misbah is not happy leaving out his buddy Ifthikar especially it think.

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    Having spoken with Wasim for this interview, I got the impression that there seems to be more to the non-selection of Haris Sohail. I mean his numbers in ODIs are good, but I believe there is more than the fitness issue behind his non-selection. Attitude, effort-levels perhaps? I asked if he thought he was lazy, Wasim laughed and didn't deny it.

    Regarding Usman Salahuddin there is no doubt something going on there as the reasons that are being given for his exclusion don't add up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Having spoken with Wasim for this interview, I got the impression that there seems to be more to the non-selection of Haris Sohail. I mean his numbers in ODIs are good, but I believe there is more than the fitness issue behind his non-selection. Attitude, effort-levels perhaps? I asked if he thought he was lazy, Wasim laughed and didn't deny it.

    Regarding Usman Salahuddin there is no doubt something going on there as the reasons that are being given for his exclusion don't add up.
    Saj you asked all the questions but, I am sorry to say, you got some pretty poor responses.

    Every time Wasim was asked about a non-selection, Wasim said "I've spoken to him and he knows what he needs to do to
    improve". It's like a get out of jail card.

    Kamran Ghaulam can't be selected because he has only performed for one season yet Abdullah Shafiq can be selected with no seasons! Same with Dhani and several others.

    Sarfraz is way ahead of his competitors apparently in red ball cricket, which Mohammed Wasim says was demonstrated in the PSL

    We can't consider Usman Salahuddin because Agha Salam is being considered for that batting position, and so that would be unfair. Huh? What? It literally makes no sense.

    Each player can ONLY be considered for the spot they bat in in First Class cricket. So only one of Saud or Kamran can make it because in First Class cricket they bat in the same position. Not only is that factually incorrect, it is almost always the case that players play in different positions in the national team than they do in their domestic teams.

    Haris Sohail, the one man who's utter brilliance alone in the last World Cup rejuvenated our entire campaign is now not even good enough to make the squad.

    Imad Wasim, the guy who takes wickets for fun in powerplays and contributes match-winning runs down the order, isn't good enough for the squad either.

    I get Wasim's job is not to please everyone but my God, at least pick a squad that most people would judge to be competent. Forget pleasing everyone, right now he is pleasing no one.

    He asks why, despite winning 2 series, people are reacting in this way; the answer is because his squad selections are totally bizarre and this is how you end up with the Fawad Alams and Misbahs who don't get a proper run until they're almost 40.
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    Saj you asked all the questions but, I am sorry to say, you got some pretty poor responses.
    I guess some are happy with his replies, others aren't. That's the beauty of an interview.

    Regarding his answers, they are out of our control. I can ask the questions and see what he has to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Should have asked the question on why we are persisting with Abid Ali and imran butt. Why arent these guys been dropped and asked to make improvements to their games.
    He answered it really in the Abdullah Shafique question, where he said that "Even in First-class cricket there aren’t any stand-out openers as most of the top run-scorers in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy were middle-order batsmen"



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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Misbah : - reluctant to give chances to rookies and try out youngsters even against lower ranked teams. One of the most defensive mindset.. remember the team he selected for the zim home series and they even lost a game with those seniors. he only knows players who played under him in the past, he quickly gave chances to his buddies when he became selector who were nowhere to be seen under MA in terms of performance , to list a few (ifthikar, sohail , imran jr, irfan, u.akmal, shehzad)

    Wasim : - willing to give chances to rookies and try youngsters especially against weak and lower ranked teams, which is good for the team to build their bench strength, and keep players ready for like a like replacements for the seniors when needed

    Obviously there is a huge difference between these two.. there will be definitely a lot of arguments.
    Babar is just voicing the frustrations of Misbah , since misbah is not happy leaving out his buddy Ifthikar especially it think.
    M Wasim is the guy Pak cricket needed. Hopefully some people will allow him to stay at the least one more year. He will have established a pretty decent team by then.


    "You aren't a failure if you fail, you are a failure if you don't get up to try again" - Imran Khan.

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    Kamran Ghulam >>> Agha Salman.

    Also, he forgot to mention Rohail scored a ton vs NZ A in NZ.

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    He was on TV the other day with Akhtar and Latif.

    Apart from questioning the exclusion of Masood, they raised some valid points but Wasim failed to provide any valid justifications.

    He kept denying his own statements that he has made in the media in the recent past and was also side-stepping questions.

    Akhtar was a big disappointment. He has been a vocal critic of his selections but couldn’t barely open his mouth in his presence.

    He looked flustered and it isn’t the first time he has failed to walk the talk and crumbled under pressure.

    He missed the opportunity to ask Wasim the tough questions that he has been asking on his YouTube channel and on Dr. Nauman’s show in recent weeks.

    As far as Wasim is concerned, it doesn’t look he will be in the job for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He was on TV the other day with Akhtar and Latif.

    Apart from questioning the exclusion of Masood, they raised some valid points but Wasim failed to provide any valid justifications.

    He kept denying his own statements that he has made in the media in the recent past and was also side-stepping questions.

    Akhtar was a big disappointment. He has been a vocal critic of his selections but couldn’t barely open his mouth in his presence.

    He looked flustered and it isn’t the first time he has failed to walk the talk and crumbled under pressure.

    He missed the opportunity to ask Wasim the tough questions that he has been asking on his YouTube channel and on Dr. Nauman’s show in recent weeks.

    As far as Wasim is concerned, it doesn’t look he will be in the job for long.
    I saw that and the only logical person there was Rashid Latif who made valid points, Akhtar didn't say much and probably cause he was looking to avoid confrontation.

    However, don't you think it's stupid to criticise a team before a ball has been bowled or a run has been scored off the bat?

    Nobody is 100% perfect in selection and nobody can get it 100% right, there will always be criticism. But the results so far speak for themselves, Pak are well and truly on there way to win this ODI series and should win the t20 series. Will Wasim get any credit for the victories?

    Wasim is obviously annoyed at being mocked and frankly being asked the same questions over and over which he's already answered.

    Why are we judging a handful of selections and not taking the time to acknowledge the majority of good selections he's made?
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    Let's face it. The only reason why Mamoon is constantly targeting Mohd Wasim under whose tenure we have won a series is because he is a Wasim Khan appointee who is an Ehsan Mani appointee who is an Imran Khan appointee who is the people of Pakistan appointee and anyone who carries the pulse of the nation risks incurring Sir Mamoons wrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He was on TV the other day with Akhtar and Latif.

    Apart from questioning the exclusion of Masood, they raised some valid points but Wasim failed to provide any valid justifications.

    He kept denying his own statements that he has made in the media in the recent past and was also side-stepping questions.

    Akhtar was a big disappointment. He has been a vocal critic of his selections but couldn’t barely open his mouth in his presence.

    He looked flustered and it isn’t the first time he has failed to walk the talk and crumbled under pressure.

    He missed the opportunity to ask Wasim the tough questions that he has been asking on his YouTube channel and on Dr. Nauman’s show in recent weeks.

    As far as Wasim is concerned, it doesn’t look he will be in the job for long.
    He doesn't have a leg to stand on, what else can you expect? His own YouTube channel will probably contradict half of his own selections.

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    You are certainly pleasing duds like Asif and Danish by selecting them even though they are not remotely good enough to play international cricket.

    These guys should get lottery tickets.they are unbelievably lucky to be strutting around calling themselves international cricketers.

    You will find better club level cricketers in India, England, Australia, New Zealand etc.

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    Not selecting Haris Sohail was a poor call. If fitness is the criteria, then why was Sharjeel selected? I would take an ageing, overweight Haris over some of the guys we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Not selecting Haris Sohail was a poor call. If fitness is the criteria, then why was Sharjeel selected? I would take an ageing, overweight Haris over some of the guys we have now.
    Haris Sohail is useless in bouncy conditions as we have seen in Australia and NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Haris Sohail is useless in bouncy conditions as we have seen in Australia and NZ
    True, but he would have done better than Danish and Asif for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Haris Sohail is useless in bouncy conditions as we have seen in Australia and NZ
    Asif and Danish are useless in every condition, look at their FC average. Next WC is in India and Haris Sohail averages 65.87 with a SR 89.47 in Asia. It makes no sense to drop him seeing his record in these conditions

    Apart from SA, PCT will not play on bouncy tracks till the next WC

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    Giving some benefit of the doubt to the selectors but everyone knows that Haris Sohail has terrible knees which has affected his batting. Maybe the selectors know about it and are cutting their losses thinking there is not point in investing in someone for just another 1-2 years vs newer players

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    True, but he would have done better than Danish and Asif for sure.
    Are you sure about that? He was pretty clueless in NZ and another failure here would've dented his confidence i believe and further put him out of contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    He doesn't have a leg to stand on, what else can you expect? His own YouTube channel will probably contradict half of his own selections.
    I saw the interview in it's entirety and i can say that Dr Niaz wasn't really acting professional and was asking multiple questions and to be fair to M. Wasim he's answered several of these questions before such as:

    Why Asad isn't selected?
    Why M. Amir isn't being selected?
    Why was K. Ghulam excluded? (although i disagree with this, i'm confidence Kamran will be part of the tour of WI)
    Why is A. Shafique being selected?
    Why isn't S. Malik in the t20 squad?

    All of the above questions have been answered in their entirety and i think it's an annoyance as well when someone is asking the same again.

    We can say what we want about M. Wasim but the majority of selections he's made are good, and he's pushing buttons prior to the WT20 which is what we need to be doing right now.

    Fact is you can pick 1000 people and people will still not be happy, however, the golden question is to the media is that should you be criticizing selection before or after a tour has been conducted?

    Lastly, any of those guys on the panel i.e. Latif or Shoaib Akhtar would never be good selectors, cause they'll just say yes to everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Let's face it. The only reason why Mamoon is constantly targeting Mohd Wasim under whose tenure we have won a series is because he is a Wasim Khan appointee who is an Ehsan Mani appointee who is an Imran Khan appointee who is the people of Pakistan appointee and anyone who carries the pulse of the nation risks incurring Sir Mamoons wrath
    He just moans about everyone, I'm in that boat that M. Wasim has made some good selections and a tiny amount that i don't agree with, he's a big step up from previous selectors who made 1 or 2 selections from domestic i.e. Saad Ali and Usman Salhuddin. You don't see M. Wasim going on trips with the team like Inzi did, he's keeping to his job which is purely selection.

    I'd like to turn it around and say that media have been unprofessional in their manner for criticising selection even before the first ball has been bowled and the first runs have come off the bat.

    The day the media are unhappy with selection, then that's a good day in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Giving some benefit of the doubt to the selectors but everyone knows that Haris Sohail has terrible knees which has affected his batting. Maybe the selectors know about it and are cutting their losses thinking there is not point in investing in someone for just another 1-2 years vs newer players
    Haris Sohail on one knee is better than Shadab, Danish and Asif Ali put together.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Let's face it. The only reason why Mamoon is constantly targeting Mohd Wasim under whose tenure we have won a series is because he is a Wasim Khan appointee who is an Ehsan Mani appointee who is an Imran Khan appointee who is the people of Pakistan appointee and anyone who carries the pulse of the nation risks incurring Sir Mamoons wrath
    Ha that all adds up nicely actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris Sohail on one knee is better than Shadab, Danish and Asif Ali put together.
    Has he actually won us any important games / series though? Its one thing averaging 40, its another thing being a match winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Has he actually won us any important games / series though? Its one thing averaging 40, its another thing being a match winner.
    I'd rather have a guy with 2 100s and 14 50s and an average of 46 over the guys we currently have batting at 5 6 and 7.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Has he actually won us any important games / series though? Its one thing averaging 40, its another thing being a match winner.
    I'm sure you can go through his stats and see what he did, where and when and who against and whether Pakistan won or not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I'm sure you can go through his stats and see what he did, where and when and who against and whether Pakistan won or not.
    I agree Haris Sohail is miles ahead of Asif. I mean I can find a dozen batsmen in my Sunday league who are better that Asif.

    I have a feeling Haris Sohail was getting complacent and needed a push. I am sure he will come back stronger, and if he doesnt, then he was never the right player worth investing in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    I saw the interview in it's entirety and i can say that Dr Niaz wasn't really acting professional and was asking multiple questions and to be fair to M. Wasim he's answered several of these questions before such as:

    Why Asad isn't selected?
    Why M. Amir isn't being selected?
    Why was K. Ghulam excluded? (although i disagree with this, i'm confidence Kamran will be part of the tour of WI)
    Why is A. Shafique being selected?
    Why isn't S. Malik in the t20 squad?

    All of the above questions have been answered in their entirety and i think it's an annoyance as well when someone is asking the same again.

    We can say what we want about M. Wasim but the majority of selections he's made are good, and he's pushing buttons prior to the WT20 which is what we need to be doing right now.

    Fact is you can pick 1000 people and people will still not be happy, however, the golden question is to the media is that should you be criticizing selection before or after a tour has been conducted?

    Lastly, any of those guys on the panel i.e. Latif or Shoaib Akhtar would never be good selectors, cause they'll just say yes to everything.

    His answers to dropping Imad Wasim and Haris Sohail make absolutely no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    His answers to dropping Imad Wasim and Haris Sohail make absolutely no sense.
    However, let me ask you brother would you agree or disagree completely with his inclusions/exclusions?

    Imad Wasim he explained that he's not effective enough in those middle overs and despite having a good economy rate needs to be taking wickets, i can agree with this to an extent but yes you can argue it was a harsh drop. However, Imad didn't help himself either by taking a back seat during the PSL with not bowling
    as much and coming way too late in the batting similar to what Sarfraz did when he took the captaincy. In the Lahore game which Karachi lost, he didn't bowl a single over you explain to me the logic behind this?

    Haris Sohail had a very good domestic tournament (List A) and has good ODI stats yes he was a very harsh exclusion, but i was curious in seeing Saud Shakeel or maybe even Kamran Ghulam for the ODIs. Can't really come up with an explanation for his dropping other than fitness which is the main reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    However, let me ask you brother would you agree or disagree completely with his inclusions/exclusions?

    Imad Wasim he explained that he's not effective enough in those middle overs and despite having a good economy rate needs to be taking wickets, i can agree with this to an extent but yes you can argue it was a harsh drop. However, Imad didn't help himself either by taking a back seat during the PSL with not bowling
    as much and coming way too late in the batting similar to what Sarfraz did when he took the captaincy. In the Lahore game which Karachi lost, he didn't bowl a single over you explain to me the logic behind this?

    Haris Sohail had a very good domestic tournament (List A) and has good ODI stats yes he was a very harsh exclusion, but i was curious in seeing Saud Shakeel or maybe even Kamran Ghulam for the ODIs. Can't really come up with an explanation for his dropping other than fitness which is the main reason.
    I don't agree at all. Imad is good enough to make the team purely as a batsman. He is the batsman everyone wants Asif Ali to be. You could make the case that he is not a wicket-taking bowler in ODIs but are you really going to tell me he is worse than Shadab is right now? Imad has a specific role. He creates pressure with his bowling as his economy rate of 4.88 testifies that. Oftentimes he will get a wicket, while on other occasions he will create the pressure for other bowlers to pick up the wickets. But in T20Is he is unquestionably one of the best in the world. Just look at his numbers. Look at the fact that he has been at the top of the T20 bowlers rankings a number of times.

    I don't think PSL should overshadow what he has already done in T20Is.

    Again, with Haris the fitness argument doesn't make alot of sense when the significantly worse off Sharjeel has been selected. If he can make an exception for a guy who hasn't even played for Pakistan in 5 years, he should have made an exception for one of the best ODI batsmen in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I don't agree at all. Imad is good enough to make the team purely as a batsman. He is the batsman everyone wants Asif Ali to be. You could make the case that he is not a wicket-taking bowler in ODIs but are you really going to tell me he is worse than Shadab is right now? Imad has a specific role. He creates pressure with his bowling as his economy rate of 4.88 testifies that. Oftentimes he will get a wicket, while on other occasions he will create the pressure for other bowlers to pick up the wickets. But in T20Is he is unquestionably one of the best in the world. Just look at his numbers. Look at the fact that he has been at the top of the T20 bowlers rankings a number of times.

    I don't think PSL should overshadow what he has already done in T20Is.

    Again, with Haris the fitness argument doesn't make alot of sense when the significantly worse off Sharjeel has been selected. If he can make an exception for a guy who hasn't even played for Pakistan in 5 years, he should have made an exception for one of the best ODI batsmen in the country.
    PSL should matter as well but it's seriously lazy not bowling a single over against LQ, which sorry bro you haven't answered me on this fact. Yes, i can certainly agree about the economy rate but what Pakistan needs is a good chinaman bowler which i think could be Sajid Khan if given the chance plus the guy can bat.

    Haris Sohail's fitness issues is something different i.e. he's not always 100% or he is harboring some sort of injury which is different compared to Sharjeel where it's about his weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    M Wasim is the guy Pak cricket needed. Hopefully some people will allow him to stay at the least one more year. He will have established a pretty decent team by then.
    Exactly! I think fans and media needs to know that experimentation and giving newbies a chance is not a bad idea. I'd like to ask people how many domestic performers have been rewarded with their performances by previous selectors? I've only ever seen Usman Salhuddin and Saad Ali selected once back 2017/18 i believe? The good thing that Wasim has been doing is giving a weighting to domestic performances and as such i think our test team is on the up and up, however the best thing is is not to be afraid to push buttons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    Exactly! I think fans and media needs to know that experimentation and giving newbies a chance is not a bad idea. I'd like to ask people how many domestic performers have been rewarded with their performances by previous selectors? I've only ever seen Usman Salhuddin and Saad Ali selected once back 2017/18 i believe? The good thing that Wasim has been doing is giving a weighting to domestic performances and as such i think our test team is on the up and up, however the best thing is is not to be afraid to push buttons.
    The only issue now is that Misbah/Babar seem to field the worst combination in order to put pressure on Wasim. I think the team management wants more influence and want the media to grill Wasim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    The only issue now is that Misbah/Babar seem to field the worst combination in order to put pressure on Wasim. I think the team management wants more influence and want the media to grill Wasim.
    I mean for me the thing that frustrates me is that people used to moan about domestic performers not being selected and now that they are they ain't happy, with tried and tested failures being asked for like Shan, Imam and Amir.

    I mean nobody seems to listen to full sentences when Wasim made the point about Imam, he said he needs more time at domestic before being considered and Dr Niaz used to rip on Imam calling him Bradman Jr as well as Shan. Wasim was totally right in what he said about Imam and his stats speaks for itself i.e. a test ave of 27. The other thing i don't really like about Dr Niaz is the fact he's a nobody, he's just a fan but a fan with mates for cricketers.

    The fact is we get guys like Mamoon who just winge about anything rather than say anything positive ever.

    Sorry for going off topic, the resources have been provided by Wasim and it's up to Babar to make the final choice in who is right and Wasim can't be blamed for that.

    My last point i'd like to make again it is silly from the media to criticise selection post series as oppose to pre series as what confidence does this bring to the players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    PSL should matter as well but it's seriously lazy not bowling a single over against LQ, which sorry bro you haven't answered me on this fact. Yes, i can certainly agree about the economy rate but what Pakistan needs is a good chinaman bowler which i think could be Sajid Khan if given the chance plus the guy can bat.

    Haris Sohail's fitness issues is something different i.e. he's not always 100% or he is harboring some sort of injury which is different compared to Sharjeel where it's about his weight.
    PSL is only good for two reasons; entertainment value and identifying potential stars. You can add: players using it to get back in form as a third reason but that's basically it. If PSL mattered as much as you say it does than Asif Ali and Husain Talat would have been stars.

    When you have international-quality players PSL should not be a marker for their success, their performance in international cricket should be.

    I don't think its that shocking that he didn't bowl a single over in one game. Karachi were playing with 7 bowlers. It's perfectly understandable for him to not bowl. He's an all-rounder, not a specialist bowler.

    A chinaman is a left-arm leg-spinner, not a finger-spinner. Suggesting Sajid Khan makes no sense since he has been doing well in FC, not List-A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    PSL should matter as well but it's seriously lazy not bowling a single over against LQ, which sorry bro you haven't answered me on this fact. Yes, i can certainly agree about the economy rate but what Pakistan needs is a good chinaman bowler which i think could be Sajid Khan if given the chance plus the guy can bat.

    Haris Sohail's fitness issues is something different i.e. he's not always 100% or he is harboring some sort of injury which is different compared to Sharjeel where it's about his weight.
    I don't think you are qualified to make that sort of assertion on his fitness when such a thing hasn't been made public. Until something significant isn't publicly said about a player it totally wrong to speculate on such things. And it does feel like you are bending over backwards to defend Mohammad Wasim on what is clearly a ludicrous and illogical decision that even he himself has not been able to defend.

    If Haris Sohail had some sort of serious injury, Mohammad Wasim, of all people would have been privy to it and would have revealed it in the interview. But he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    PSL is only good for two reasons; entertainment value and identifying potential stars. You can add: players using it to get back in form as a third reason but that's basically it. If PSL mattered as much as you say it does than Asif Ali and Husain Talat would have been stars.

    When you have international-quality players PSL should not be a marker for their success, their performance in international cricket should be.

    I don't think its that shocking that he didn't bowl a single over in one game. Karachi were playing with 7 bowlers. It's perfectly understandable for him to not bowl. He's an all-rounder, not a specialist bowler.

    A chinaman is a left-arm leg-spinner, not a finger-spinner. Suggesting Sajid Khan makes no sense since he has been doing well in FC, not List-A.
    A captain's job is to stand up and lead from the front, the partnership was building with Fakhar-Dunk and he couldn't bowl 1 over when his other bowlers weren't having success??? It's Sarfraz 2.0 again with taking a back seat to everything and not stepping up to the plate.

    My mistake there (highlighted in bold) about Sajid Khan.

    PSL is still competitive t20 cricket at the end of the day and besides go to Cricinfo and ask yourself when he last performed with the bat?? His highest was against SL i.e. 47 from 29 with no 50s and his bowling of late in intls hasn't been up to the standard so if intl cricket matters in your eyes then am i lying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I don't think you are qualified to make that sort of assertion on his fitness when such a thing hasn't been made public. Until something significant isn't publicly said about a player it totally wrong to speculate on such things. And it does feel like you are bending over backwards to defend Mohammad Wasim on what is clearly a ludicrous and illogical decision that even he himself has not been able to defend.

    If Haris Sohail had some sort of serious injury, Mohammad Wasim, of all people would have been privy to it and would have revealed it in the interview. But he didn't.
    I might not be qualified but he's had knee injuries and surgery has he not? If he wasn't injured then why did he not participate in the Shaheen's game in NZ? All i've said is the fitness argument difference between Sharjeel and Harris. It's certainly harsh and i don't dispute that about Harris. However, you can't say all 4 of his test dismissals weren't weird in NZ, he looked completely out of sorts and i feel that was due to an injury. Something didn't feel right about him in NZ and he always looks really stiff at times along with his feet being stagnant, but you are right that his ODI stats speak for themselves and his test performance in this scenario should be deemed negligible.

    I will say this and you haven't answered me which is how many selectors prior to M. Wasim actually gave detailed analysis of stats of individual players during a press conference and how many selectors prior to this gave some weighting to the QeA trophy/Pakistan Cup/National t20 performances? I am not fully in agreement with all of Wasim's decisions but i go by the majority which has been overall good in my view. The test squad is looking stronger and inshAllah with time and the right amount of experimentation the shorter formats isn't far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    I might not be qualified but he's had knee injuries and surgery has he not? If he wasn't injured then why did he not participate in the Shaheen's game in NZ? All i've said is the fitness argument difference between Sharjeel and Harris. It's certainly harsh and i don't dispute that about Harris. However, you can't say all 4 of his test dismissals weren't weird in NZ, he looked completely out of sorts and i feel that was due to an injury. Something didn't feel right about him in NZ and he always looks really stiff at times along with his feet being stagnant, but you are right that his ODI stats speak for themselves and his test performance in this scenario should be deemed negligible.

    I will say this and you haven't answered me which is how many selectors prior to M. Wasim actually gave detailed analysis of stats of individual players during a press conference and how many selectors prior to this gave some weighting to the QeA trophy/Pakistan Cup/National t20 performances? I am not fully in agreement with all of Wasim's decisions but i go by the majority which has been overall good in my view. The test squad is looking stronger and inshAllah with time and the right amount of experimentation the shorter formats isn't far off.
    All you are doing at this point is indulging in whatabouttery. You are drawing conclusions and the things you are saying are just opinions, not cold hard facts. Anyone can choose to simply disagree with you regarding your assertions.

    LOL I am not surprised that has caught your attention because that's why its there: to catch the attention of casual fans and create the perception that he knows what he is doing.

    Tell me, what is so impressive about copy-pasting stats and creating a few graphs out of them? Is that supposed to make me think that he cares about his job? And he's so deceptive that he was using Abdullah Shafique's second XI stats to justify his selection in the test team. That is beyond ridiculous. I'm sure if someone bothered to dig deeper they would find more instances of him using selective stats to mislead journalists and fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    A captain's job is to stand up and lead from the front, the partnership was building with Fakhar-Dunk and he couldn't bowl 1 over when his other bowlers weren't having success??? It's Sarfraz 2.0 again with taking a back seat to everything and not stepping up to the plate.

    My mistake there (highlighted in bold) about Sajid Khan.

    PSL is still competitive t20 cricket at the end of the day and besides go to Cricinfo and ask yourself when he last performed with the bat?? His highest was against SL i.e. 47 from 29 with no 50s and his bowling of late in intls hasn't been up to the standard so if intl cricket matters in your eyes then am i lying?
    You're placing way too much emphasis on PSL. Nobody cares. It doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

    That last paragraph from you is exactly the kind of response that you expect from people who don't watch enough cricket and go to Cricinfo to justify their point. While you were there did you bother to actually look at his SR? Did you bother to look at his bowling average? His economy rate? Ofcourse you didn't. Because you somehow think that someone who bats at No.7 or No.8 in the T20I side is going to get enough balls to score a century.

    Hardik Pandya who is one of the best all-rounders in the world and has played as many T20I matches as Imad also doesn't have a T20I 50. What does that mean that he's not a good enough player? Ridiculous argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    All you are doing at this point is indulging in whatabouttery. You are drawing conclusions and the things you are saying are just opinions, not cold hard facts. Anyone can choose to simply disagree with you regarding your assertions.

    LOL I am not surprised that has caught your attention because that's why its there: to catch the attention of casual fans and create the perception that he knows what he is doing.

    Tell me, what is so impressive about copy-pasting stats and creating a few graphs out of them? Is that supposed to make me think that he cares about his job? And he's so deceptive that he was using Abdullah Shafique's second XI stats to justify his selection in the test team. That is beyond ridiculous. I'm sure if someone bothered to dig deeper they would find more instances of him using selective stats to mislead journalists and fans.
    You still didnít answer my question about how many selectors prior to Wasim gave weighting to domestic performers.

    Fair enough point on Harris (not gonna argue with you anymore on this so gonna cut it short)

    Iíd rather be casual than negative all the time, although itís nice to see graphs for a change at least someone is attempting to be professional rather than read names off a piece of paper and itís what I would expect from someone at this level, besides I remember lots of people praise him for presenting stats here in this fashion, no?

    Abdullah Shafique yes that was a cheap tactic however if you have any test openers outside of Omair Bin Yusuf you can think of then tell me, and donít go around saying oh it should be Shan or Imam.

    Iíd ask you as well to please carefully read what I said which was I donít fully agree with all his selections but majority I agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    You're placing way too much emphasis on PSL. Nobody cares. It doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

    That last paragraph from you is exactly the kind of response that you expect from people who don't watch enough cricket and go to Cricinfo to justify their point. While you were there did you bother to actually look at his SR? Did you bother to look at his bowling average? His economy rate? Ofcourse you didn't. Because you somehow think that someone who bats at No.7 or No.8 in the T20I side is going to get enough balls to score a century.

    Hardik Pandya who is one of the best all-rounders in the world and has played as many T20I matches as Imad also doesn't have a T20I 50. What does that mean that he's not a good enough player? Ridiculous argument.
    Itís all well and good about ER but Iíd rather have someone going for a few and nab some wickets.

    Imad didnít help himself with the kinda performances and laid back attitude he had in PSL, so let me get this straight turn up and show no competitive nature to win? Is that how PSL should be played? Is it a day for just clowning around? Donít make me laugh you sound like Mamoon these days answer some questions and ignore others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    You still didn’t answer my question about how many selectors prior to Wasim gave weighting to domestic performers.

    Fair enough point on Harris (not gonna argue with you anymore on this so gonna cut it short)

    I’d rather be casual than negative all the time, although it’s nice to see graphs for a change at least someone is attempting to be professional rather than read names off a piece of paper and it’s what I would expect from someone at this level, besides I remember lots of people praise him for presenting stats here in this fashion, no?

    Abdullah Shafique yes that was a cheap tactic however if you have any test openers outside of Omair Bin Yusuf you can think of then tell me, and don’t go around saying oh it should be Shan or Imam.

    I’d ask you as well to please carefully read what I said which was I don’t fully agree with all his selections but majority I agree with.
    No I answered everyone of your questions. You just keep asking new ones and saying I didn't answer your question.

    And I'll answer again: pretty much everyone. You think that the players that were getting selected during Inzamam, Haroon Rashid or any of the other previous selectors tenures were not performing in domestic? Give me a break. There are always a number of undeserving selections but most players always get selected on their domestic performances.

    I don't care what other people think. It's complete smoke and mirrors and way to mislead people. He did not even scratch the surface of the stats he presented. If he did he would have known Imran Butt had only one good season preceeded by a number of seasons where he averaged in the 20s every year. Or that Tabish Khan who has averaged in the mid 30s with the ball for the last 3 or 4 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    It’s all well and good about ER but I’d rather have someone going for a few and nab some wickets.

    Imad didn’t help himself with the kinda performances and laid back attitude he had in PSL, so let me get this straight turn up and show no competitive nature to win? Is that how PSL should be played? Is it a day for just clowning around? Don’t make me laugh you sound like Mamoon these days answer some questions and ignore others.
    Surely you know a player's bowling average reflects his wicket-taking ability? I mean you can't be serious? Imad Wasim averages 22.76 in T20Is with the ball and has an ER of 6.22. That means not only does he take wickets but is also extremely economical. How economical? Well he is the most economical bowler in the team. And since you have trouble understanding the concept of bowling averages I will list you the bowling averages of the other bowlers in the team as a point of reference. Hasan Ali: 24.49, Shaheen: 25.25, Faheem: 25.4, Rauf: 24.5, Shadab: 22.62, Hasnain: 42.2, Nawaz 26.3. That's a total of one bowler with a better bowling average than him

    Sure bro. You are the one ignoring his SR, his bowling average, his T20I ranking, ER is just 'well and good to you' when it is one of the most important aspects of T20 cricket; but you accuse me of ignoring your questions. I am tired of answering the same questions over and over again but you can't seem to grasp the point. International cricket will always be above PSL. Therefore international performances will always take precedence over and be more important than PSL performances. I don't care if he had a laid back attitude or didn't bat enough or bowl enough. His team is top of the table. whatever he, the captain of Karachi Kings is doing is clearly working. And all you are doing is overblowing his "attitude" in a couple of games that you didn't like.

    His record makes him a confirmed pick in the side regardless. If Babar has a bad PSL season will you drop him from the T20 team? Shadab was terrible this PSL was he dropped? Until he starts underperforming in internationals there is no legitimate reason to drop him.

    And yeah. PSL is entertainment. It's a T20 league. It's not international cricket where you are representing your team. It is above all for the enjoyment of the domestic audience. There is a BIG difference between performing well there and performing well in T20Is.

    And I am going to implore you to not ask me the same question for the umpteenth time because my answer on it will not change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    No I answered everyone of your questions. You just keep asking new ones and saying I didn't answer your question.

    And I'll answer again: pretty much everyone. You think that the players that were getting selected during Inzamam, Haroon Rashid or any of the other previous selectors tenures were

    1. not performing in domestic? Give me a break.

    2. There are always a number of undeserving selections but most players always get selected on their domestic performances.

    I don't care what other people think. It's complete smoke and mirrors and way to mislead people. He did not even scratch the surface of the stats he presented. If he did he would have known Imran Butt had only one good season preceeded by a number of seasons where he averaged in the 20s every year.

    3. Or that Tabish Khan who has averaged in the mid 30s with the ball for the last 3 or 4 seasons.
    1. So essentially Tabish wasn't performing at the domestic level nor was Fawad nor was Saud nor was Usman Salhuddin??? Only Usman and Saad Ali got picked and for what 1 test and then dropped never to be seen again.
    2. On what basis was Haris Sohail included into the test team post his injury against SL? On what basis did Shoaib Malik get to play a test?
    3. What other red ball fast bowling options can you suggest? There's a shortage of red ball fast bowlers for us and the only one i can see is perhaps Waqas Moqsood but I'm happy enough with how test cricket is and for Tabish to get a run.


    Imran Butt i agree wasn't a consistent performer but the top performer of the season always catches someone's attention, the boy can catch lol and that's like finding gold in Pakistan these days. What other test openers do we have, plus is it not too early for us to judge someone after playing only 2 matches (4 innings)??? Abid Ali is the one we should be talking about and he's one i don't see merit a place in the test squad. However, again what other test opening options do we have????

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Surely you know a player's bowling average reflects his wicket-taking ability? I mean you can't be serious? Imad Wasim averages 22.76 in T20Is with the ball and has an ER of 6.22. That means not only does he take wickets but is also extremely economical. How economical? Well he is the most economical bowler in the team. And since you have trouble understanding the concept of bowling averages I will list you the bowling averages of the other bowlers in the team as a point of reference. Hasan Ali: 24.49, Shaheen: 25.25, Faheem: 25.4, Rauf: 24.5, Shadab: 22.62, Hasnain: 42.2, Nawaz 26.3. That's a total of one bowler with a better bowling average than him

    Sure bro. You are the one ignoring his SR, his bowling average, his T20I ranking, ER is just 'well and good to you' when it is one of the most important aspects of T20 cricket; but you accuse me of ignoring your questions. I am tired of answering the same questions over and over again but you can't seem to grasp the point. International cricket will always be above PSL. Therefore international performances will always take precedence over and be more important than PSL performances. I don't care if he had a laid back attitude or didn't bat enough or bowl enough. His team is top of the table. whatever he, the captain of Karachi Kings is doing is clearly working. And all you are doing is overblowing his "attitude" in a couple of games that you didn't like.

    His record makes him a confirmed pick in the side regardless. If Babar has a bad PSL season will you drop him from the T20 team? Shadab was terrible this PSL was he dropped? Until he starts underperforming in internationals there is no legitimate reason to drop him.

    And yeah. PSL is entertainment. It's a T20 league. It's not international cricket where you are representing your team. It is above all for the enjoyment of the domestic audience. There is a BIG difference between performing well there and performing well in T20Is.

    And I am going to implore you to not ask me the same question for the umpteenth time because my answer on it will not change.
    Can't say Nawaz isn't doing a good job at the moment like he did in the previous series, it's remained to be seen if he carries that forward with the t20 series or if picked for tomorrow's game.

    I'm gonna end this off bro and say it's not bad pushing some buttons sometimes, however it will be highly likely that Imad will make the final cut with the t20 Cup but still it's not a bad idea to keep your options open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    1. So essentially Tabish wasn't performing at the domestic level nor was Fawad nor was Saud nor was Usman Salhuddin??? Only Usman and Saad Ali got picked and for what 1 test and then dropped never to be seen again.
    2. On what basis was Haris Sohail included into the test team post his injury against SL? On what basis did Shoaib Malik get to play a test?
    3. What other red ball fast bowling options can you suggest? There's a shortage of red ball fast bowlers for us and the only one i can see is perhaps Waqas Moqsood but I'm happy enough with how test cricket is and for Tabish to get a run.


    Imran Butt i agree wasn't a consistent performer but the top performer of the season always catches someone's attention, the boy can catch lol and that's like finding gold in Pakistan these days. What other test openers do we have, plus is it not too early for us to judge someone after playing only 2 matches (4 innings)??? Abid Ali is the one we should be talking about and he's one i don't see merit a place in the test squad. However, again what other test opening options do we have????
    There is no coherence to anything you are saying. I am just going to reply based on what I understand so please don't accuse me of not answering your question(s) again. Undoubtedly Wasim rectified a decade long wrong of Fawad Alam not being selected. But he also selected Abdullah Shafique, Tabish Khan, Imran Butt, Haris Rauf, even Sarfraz. In a squad of 16 that's just too many undeserving selections.

    You're going way overboard here. 6 years back. And that's not a pandora's box I have the energy to open. Stick to Wasim.

    As for Tabish, he was performing in domestic...5 years ago. I made a detailed thread on this and I have no desire to repeat everything I already said. And yeah it really was that simple. Select Waqas Maqsood instead of the 36 year old Tabish.

    You still have Shan Masood and Imam-ul-Haq as openers. Shan got dropped for a series in which everyone besides Rizwan and Faheem did poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post

    There is no coherence to anything you are saying. I am just going to reply based on what I understand so please don't accuse me of not answering your question(s) again. Undoubtedly Wasim rectified a decade long wrong of Fawad Alam not being selected. But he also selected Abdullah Shafique, Tabish Khan, Imran Butt, Haris Rauf, even Sarfraz. In a squad of 16 that's just too many undeserving selections.

    You're going way overboard here. 6 years back. And that's not a pandora's box I have the energy to open. Stick to Wasim.

    As for Tabish, he was performing in domestic...5 years ago. I made a detailed thread on this and I have no desire to repeat everything I already said. And yeah it really was that simple. Select Waqas Maqsood instead of the 36 year old Tabish.

    You still have Shan Masood and Imam-ul-Haq as openers. Shan got dropped for a series in which everyone besides Rizwan and Faheem did poorly.
    I highlighted your points you made and answering back to some of the players if that's ok.

    Abdullah- I can understand is a premature selection and yes illogical, however with no other openers performing at the moment and going back to tried and tested failures is not really doing something new, it's just a case of rinse and repeat. You need to select someone on the back of a performance and it's illogical to just add Shan and Imam on the back of no evidence of improvement. At this point with openers i am willing to try something new or see if someone like Usman Salhuddin/Saud/Kamran can open a test innings or hey might be the perfect time for Abdullah to debut and that to against a weak side, if Abdullah pulls it off hats off to him.

    Sarfraz Ahmed- to point out was selected as a concussion replacement for Rizwan but other than Rohail Nazir (too early) i don't see anyone, don't say Azam Khan can't have 2 big guys in Sharjeel and Azam being in the squad lol.

    Haris Rauf- Yep, he was a weird selection for all 3 formats but he's proved the most promising on this tour thus far. However, i think Pakistan can do better than Rauf and i think he will prove too expensive in India, more of a burden than a benefit. Only good thing for him being selected in tests was the nets training he provided our batsmen in preparation for the pace of Nortje/Rabada.

    In just closing about Tabish Khan, yes his stats haven't been as good as Waqas Moqsood compared to this season. However, he still has been a top performer and in 2019/20 was the highest wicket taker as far as a pacer is concerned, i saw glimpses of the lad in the nets in the home series versus SA and he looked quite good to be honest. I would still be interested in seeing Tabish perform in the WI tour which i think he could be quite useful given his experience of bowling with the Dukes ball.

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    3 out of 3 series :imti:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    His answers to dropping Imad Wasim and Haris Sohail make absolutely no sense.
    Thiers your answer to why Wasim was not selected and Nawaz was selected.

    As for haris its unfortunate that saud got injuired and has been performing well in domestic.

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    Well done to wasim for backing nawaz.
    3 out of 3 series wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Thiers your answer to why Wasim was not selected and Nawaz was selected.

    As for haris its unfortunate that saud got injuired and has been performing well in domestic.
    Credit to Nawaz, he bowled really well. But sorry that's not an answer. Nawaz still can't bat and our middle to lower order looks incredibly weak.

    Imad makes the team purely as a batsman and his numbers prove it. Same for Haris who can't even be compared to a rookie like Saud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Credit to Nawaz, he bowled really well. But sorry that's not an answer. Nawaz still can't bat and our middle to lower order looks incredibly weak.

    Imad makes the team purely as a batsman and his numbers prove it. Same for Haris who can't even be compared to a rookie like Saud.
    It all depends if you want a batting all rounder or a bowling all rounder wasim said he wanted a bowling all rounder so he has justified that selection as a bowling all rounder. as for imad he can stil make a come back in the team if he improves his bowling.

    As for haris i think he has to work incredibly hard and score runs in domestic to make a come back but he has enough skill to make a come back. But i will give saud a chance before then


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