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    IPL 2021: Pietersen wants cricket boards to not schedule international games during tournament




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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    Double headers are only on the weekend. Not on weeknights. So in a league setup it will add 2-3 weeks to the current 2 months.

    $2.6 Billion is not being paid to rush things through so international series can resume.
    When 10 teams or 9 teams played there were more double headers. IPL has a 8 week window and they have to adjust within that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    Double headers are only on the weekend. Not on weeknights. So in a league setup it will add 2-3 weeks to the current 2 months.

    $2.6 Billion is not being paid to rush things through so international series can resume.
    yes you are right about Broadcasters demand but at the same time till 2023 (future tours programme) BCCI cannot get a longer time slot. so there is no other way. BCCI will either have to have more double headers with maybe 9 teams or else revert to group games format with 10 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    When 10 teams or 9 teams played there were more double headers. IPL has a 8 week window and they have to adjust within that.
    BCCI cannot adjust if the broadcaster, who holds the purse, won't let it adjust. And the broadcaster is perhaps even more profit minded than the sharks at BCCI.

    Neither the BCCI nor the broadcasters are going to respect this useless window when there are billions to be made.

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    @U$ofA

    Just as I had posted above, the BCCI boffins have done their math. Look at this news.
    The Indian board doesn't just have IPL's economic interests to protect but is also eyeing an expansion of the window in the coming years as it increases the number of franchises from the existing eight to nine this year and 10 going forward.

    "That'll mean 90-plus matches. That's what the BCCI will want to protect, a window for those many games. That is what will guarantee the IPL top dollar when its media rights tender comes out at the end of the year. There's huge interest. Expect the per-match broadcast price of an IPL game to crash the Rs 100-crore mark. This is going to be big-game hunting," market sources say.

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    Just look at the numbers.

    BCCI currently earns INR 53 crores from each IPL match. They are expecting this figure to breach the 100 crore barrier when the next cycle of rights are awarded.

    But we have our Joshila brother who think BCCI can be this ambitious and somehow adjust to the window by playing double headers on weekdays.

    If BCCI succeeds, the size of the next IPL broadcast rights deal would hit USD 6.2 billion from the current USD 2.55 billion. That'll break the international calendar.

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    Currently, each IPL side has an average squad size of 25 players and a purse size of USD 10 million.

    If the BCCI succeeds in getting the broadcast deal of its fevered dream, then it will double the team purse size. This is necessary to make the boards around the world feel the pressure from their own players.

    With 10 teams, the IPL will have an annual purse size of USD 200 million to splurge on 250 players. Good luck to the boards everywhere to resist that.

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    There is a precedent already.Top players defected to Kerry Packer's WSC in 1977 and created a headache for cricket boards.Cricketers are playing IPL to make money.It is big money so they will be willing give up their careers and just play IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Boards around the world will be scared to take on the BCCI for fear of repercussions. Players will go on strike if they aren't allowed to play in tournaments like the IPL.

    This is the danger when one Board has so much power and is basically controlling cricket, instead of the governing body controlling the sport.
    This. The ECB resisted the temptation to complain about the pitches in India despite the BCCI doing a dirty on them but the ECB dont have any leveridge over the BCCI anymore and dont want to ruin their relationship with them because of this whole IPL thingy so just has to lump it, here is to more crappy tracks in India for the english players

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    This. The ECB resisted the temptation to complain about the pitches in India despite the BCCI doing a dirty on them but the ECB dont have any leveridge over the BCCI anymore and dont want to ruin their relationship with them because of this whole IPL thingy so just has to lump it, here is to more crappy tracks in India for the english players
    Doing dirty? If English players cant play spin its whose fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    BCCI cannot adjust if the broadcaster, who holds the purse, won't let it adjust. And the broadcaster is perhaps even more profit minded than the sharks at BCCI.

    Neither the BCCI nor the broadcasters are going to respect this useless window when there are billions to be made.
    Thing is that no broadcaster has ever dictated to the BCCI. Broadcasters adjust to Bcci conditions.

    There are many broadcasters, but there is only one IPL and one BCCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Just look at the numbers.

    BCCI currently earns INR 53 crores from each IPL match. They are expecting this figure to breach the 100 crore barrier when the next cycle of rights are awarded.

    But we have our Joshila brother who think BCCI can be this ambitious and somehow adjust to the window by playing double headers on weekdays.

    If BCCI succeeds, the size of the next IPL broadcast rights deal would hit USD 6.2 billion from the current USD 2.55 billion. That'll break the international calendar.
    IPL window expansion means English players may not be available for some matches. Aussie NZ SA players may not be available for some matches.

    A even bigger issue is that Team India has to finish its international commitments 15 days prior to the IPL, so even the Indian international season gets affected.

    IPL starting in April 1st week and ending in may last or june 1st week gives 8-9 week window. That can cover 90 matches with double headers on Friday Saturday Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Currently, each IPL side has an average squad size of 25 players and a purse size of USD 10 million.

    If the BCCI succeeds in getting the broadcast deal of its fevered dream, then it will double the team purse size. This is necessary to make the boards around the world feel the pressure from their own players.

    With 10 teams, the IPL will have an annual purse size of USD 200 million to splurge on 250 players. Good luck to the boards everywhere to resist that.
    IPL purse is nearly 12 mn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Just look at the numbers.

    BCCI currently earns INR 53 crores from each IPL match. They are expecting this figure to breach the 100 crore barrier when the next cycle of rights are awarded.

    But we have our Joshila brother who think BCCI can be this ambitious and somehow adjust to the window by playing double headers on weekdays.

    If BCCI succeeds, the size of the next IPL broadcast rights deal would hit USD 6.2 billion from the current USD 2.55 billion. That'll break the international calendar.
    You are right for the most part but there's a caveat to that. IPL needs international stars as much as they need IPL. These stars are typically from Aus, NZ, Eng and SA. BCCI',s carrot will be a series with those countries at their home more frequently. They can extend the IPL window but it will happen gradually and not to the extent where Bilaterals between these countries will suffer. As far as other countries go, you will see 1 test, 3 T20I series- with ODIs probably scrapped altogether or played the next year.

    It will be a game of balance where all 5 parties involved need to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Just look at the numbers.

    BCCI currently earns INR 53 crores from each IPL match. They are expecting this figure to breach the 100 crore barrier when the next cycle of rights are awarded.

    But we have our Joshila brother who think BCCI can be this ambitious and somehow adjust to the window by playing double headers on weekdays.

    If BCCI succeeds, the size of the next IPL broadcast rights deal would hit USD 6.2 billion from the current USD 2.55 billion. That'll break the international calendar.
    That is a huge % increase. Will comfortably be the biggest TV deal in cricket. At that kind of money, they are not going cramp anything in the schedule. They will stretch it as much as they can, without going overboard. Because the broadcasters will need to make a profit too.

    I am guessing Disney will be the frontrunner again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    That is a huge % increase. Will comfortably be the biggest TV deal in cricket. At that kind of money, they are not going cramp anything in the schedule. They will stretch it as much as they can, without going overboard. Because the broadcasters will need to make a profit too.

    I am guessing Disney will be the frontrunner again.
    At 2.5bn IPL is the second biggest TV in cricketdeal on per match basis. Biggest being the international matches TV rights of BCCI.

    With Sony Reliance Amazon Facebook being interested in the rights, Disney will hardly be in a position to dictate terms to BCCI.

    There will be many bidders and only one IPL. So no broadcaster is going to tell Bcci how to schedule the matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    You are right for the most part but there's a caveat to that. IPL needs international stars as much as they need IPL. These stars are typically from Aus, NZ, Eng and SA. BCCI',s carrot will be a series with those countries at their home more frequently. They can extend the IPL window but it will happen gradually and not to the extent where Bilaterals between these countries will suffer. As far as other countries go, you will see 1 test, 3 T20I series- with ODIs probably scrapped altogether or played the next year.

    It will be a game of balance where all 5 parties involved need to win.
    How they will arrive at a solution is something that will reveal itself in the fullness of time. My point was that Joshila's conviction that somehow the BCCI and Broadcaster would stick to the 6 week window with double headers on weekdays is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post

    There will be many bidders and only one IPL. So no broadcaster is going to tell Bcci how to schedule the matches.
    The problem here is that you think BCCI and the broadcasters stand in an adversarial relationship. The truth is their financial interests merge in this case so they will act in concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    That is a huge % increase. Will comfortably be the biggest TV deal in cricket. At that kind of money, they are not going cramp anything in the schedule. They will stretch it as much as they can, without going overboard. Because the broadcasters will need to make a profit too.

    I am guessing Disney will be the frontrunner again.
    IPL needs more region and state specific engagement. As of today, the IPL has 6 such regions/states/cities that are completely ready to have an IPL team in terms of spending power - Pune, Amdavad/Gujarat, Lucknow/Awadh, Kerala, Andhra, and Haryana.

    While the forthcoming broadcast cycle will see addition of two more IPL teams, it's a given that the following round of rights auction would see inclusion of 4 more teams. An IPL season of 180+ matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket.mad View Post
    In a heart beat. A decade down the line, it will be just like football. International breaks for important tournaments and club cricket round the year.
    You can't compare a global sport to a colonial one. Indians being crazy about cricket is the reason IPL is so big. Other cricket leagues aren't even close to as big as IPL. It's a monopoly. Laliga isn't the only player in town, theirs premiere league, series A, Bundes liga and others. If the same players are playing for different teams around the world it doesn't make sense. Imagine Messi playing for Man U and Barca and bayern at the same time. Just not enough players. You're just gonna see IPL all year round.

    IPL is succesful for the same reasons League football is succesful . You're pitting the best vs the best. The teams are balanced and the further the divide becomes between the top 4 international teams vs bottom 6 the stronger IPL's case becomes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Doing dirty? If English players cant play spin its whose fault?
    Ummm, they can play spin did you not watch the first test match between England and India, India panicked and then produced crappy pitches thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    Ummm, they can play spin did you not watch the first test match between England and India, India panicked and then produced crappy pitches thereafter.
    They won the toss every game and batted first in the 3rd and 4th games. Crappy pitch or not, they were just abysmal. India never complains about pitches in Kohli era. Other teams should focus on playing par cricket atleast instead of defeating themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    They won the toss every game and batted first in the 3rd and 4th games. Crappy pitch or not, they were just abysmal. India never complains about pitches in Kohli era. Other teams should focus on playing par cricket atleast instead of defeating themselves
    How can indian players complain about pitches in other countries when the pitches the BCCI approve of are like playing on a worn torn outfield.

    And also England won in Sri Lanka so they clearly know how to play spin, they are a top ranked team not languishing at the bottom of the table that they dont know how to play spin. Give them a proper pitch and they can play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    How can indian players complain about pitches in other countries when the pitches the BCCI approve of are like playing on a worn torn outfield.

    And also England won in Sri Lanka so they clearly know how to play spin, they are a top ranked team not languishing at the bottom of the table that they dont know how to play spin. Give them a proper pitch and they can play.
    Nasser Hussain, Mike Atherton and other experts themselves said England need to learn to play on spin pitches and they need to prepare better in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    How can indian players complain about pitches in other countries when the pitches the BCCI approve of are like playing on a worn torn outfield.

    And also England won in Sri Lanka so they clearly know how to play spin, they are a top ranked team not languishing at the bottom of the table that they dont know how to play spin. Give them a proper pitch and they can play.
    England were facing bunch of noobs in SL but in India they were facing ATG spinner plus rampaging debutant who bamboozled English batsmen. England were lucky that Jadeja was injured or else things would have been much more worse for them.

    English are as good at playing spin as Indians are at playing swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket.mad View Post
    In a heart beat. A decade down the line, it will be just like football. International breaks for important tournaments and club cricket round the year.
    I agree it eventually will be. Maybe a decade is too soon, but I think it will happen some time. Having a domestic system like football is far more profitable in terms of bringing in money from the actual people of the country, you aren't as reliant on touring big countries. And of course domestic cricketers will be much better compensated. And of course by implementing a system like this standard (at least in T20s) will improve. There will also be less of these big useless signings, the guys getting the big wages will be performing consistently not just given a huge contract one year and flop.

    Yes I enjoy international cricket more, but if a domestic system could be introduced like football that is far more exciting and higher standard to watch, I think I would be open to it. A lot of us are hypocrites, we happily watch domestic football teams, but moan if cricket tries to do the same despite it being the naturally more profitable, self-sustaining option.

    I'm not sure I would like a football system or not. But one thing that does sway me is the plight of domestic cricketers. They toil out there in Pakistan for little money, and often in empty grounds as no one cares. The vast majority of cricketers in Pakistan are not regulars in internationals. This would be a way of adequately paying those cricketers so they can better support their families, and more chances for cricketers to rise through the ranks and earn their keep rather than solely relying on that international chance which may never come. I feel rather sorry for them really, it's not fair, we rely on a domestic structure to produce those international standard cricketers yet don't care about the rest of the domestic players who by playing allow that to happen.


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