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    Can Shaheen Shah Afridi be the first Pakistani pacer in 3 decades to...

    1) Play 50 Tests?
    2) Take over 200 wickets?

    Stay tuned.

    The last Pakistani fast bowler to achieve these feats was Waqar Younis (debut 1989). Many have come after him but have fizzled out. Other nations - even those who play fewer tests than Pakistan have achieved these stats (the likes of Kemar Roach, Tim Southee etc.).


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    I think both hasan ali and shaheen afridi can get to 200 wickets mark in test cricket. Unfortunately pakistan do not play enough test cricket to produce 300 350 wickets bowlers. Even if a bowler plays for 10 years , he will only have played 60 odd test matches ( margin of injuries included).

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    Shoaib akhtar should have got at least 250 wickets.

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    This fact highlights how poor Pakistan's test team has been since 2Ws/Shoaib.

    Both Amir and Asif should have achieved this stat but we all know what happened there

    Aizaz Cheema and Sohail Khan ; both of them had skill, potential and hunger but unfortunately PCB had other plans...

    I hope we do not make same mistakes with SSA, Hassan and Abbas. SSA especially, he must be rested and played wisely.

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    Barring injury I think he can. He's the best bowler we have produced in a long long time and has already hit the ground running in test cricket.

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    Just shows how we've been resting on laurels for such a long time.. sometimes I think 1992 WC win is a curse

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    He certainly has the potential and skillset to achieve the landmark.

    However, he needs to improve his effectiveness with the old ball, especially by learning how to reverse the ball more.

    He also needs to work on his outswinger.

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    I feel he has the potential to be Pakistans greatest test bowler . I said that during the U-19 World Cup 3 years ago and I stand by it. Kid's got talent no doubt but hes also got the kind of mettle that I feel the likes of Aamir and Asif lacked.


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    The International Cricket Council has rewarded Shaheen Shah Afridi and Fawad Alam with career-high rankings in the latest ICC Test Player Rankings, which were released today.

    Shaheen, who won the player of the second Test award for his 10-fer in Pakistan’s 109 runs victory, has vaulted 10 places to eighth in the ICC Men’s Test Bowling Rankings, while Fawad, whose 124 not out rescued Pakistan after they had slipped to 2-3 inside three overs, has rocketed 34 places to sit just outside the top-20 in 21st position in the ICC Men’s Test Batting Rankings.


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    I guess the problem is that the 2 ws have set some unreal standards for Pakistani pace bowlers to reach, and if any bowler isn’t matching those standards in his youth or loses his way along the line, then they become discarded very easily.

    People are tired, bored of Mohammad Abbas right now but he would get 200+ Test wickets if he is just persisted with.

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    We've had some top quality fast bowlers since Wx2..
    However I think playing in the UAE for over a decade hasn't helped their progress as well as having sporting wickets for domestic cricket.

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    He has 70 test wickets without a legit outswinger. Imagine how much havoc he would wreak if he did develop a controlled outswinger then?

    I definitely think he has the potential to take 400 Test wickets if he plays out to his potential

    Three things could put a question mark on this

    a. Injuries
    b. Falling out of favour with the management if (and when) he suffers a loss of form
    c. Test cricket itself going out of favour, and even if not, PCB prioritising T20 over tests for money and playing fewer and fewer test matches
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    We've had some top quality fast bowlers since Wx2..
    However I think playing in the UAE for over a decade hasn't helped their progress as well as having sporting wickets for domestic cricket.
    Please name some. Apart from Asif and Shoaib they have all been ordinary in the longest format since the 2 Ws retired

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    Already has 76 wickets. Will be very surprised if he doesn’t get 200 wickets in a few years time.

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    Pakistan needs to have Abbas as a back up bowler, don't think he is first team material. Hasan Ali I think can be a very good first change bowler.

    Ideally Pakistan need another young gun bowler to take the new ball with Shaheen (not sure who) and Hasan coming at first change. Then Pakistan will be back to having a gun pace attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Pakistan needs to have Abbas as a back up bowler, don't think he is first team material. Hasan Ali I think can be a very good first change bowler.

    Ideally Pakistan need another young gun bowler to take the new ball with Shaheen (not sure who) and Hasan coming at first change. Then Pakistan will be back to having a gun pace attack.
    I see plenty of potential in Dahani and Wasim Jr

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Pakistan needs to have Abbas as a back up bowler, don't think he is first team material. Hasan Ali I think can be a very good first change bowler.

    Ideally Pakistan need another young gun bowler to take the new ball with Shaheen (not sure who) and Hasan coming at first change. Then Pakistan will be back to having a gun pace attack.
    Naseem, Hasnain, Akif, Sameen, etc. I think Naseem and Hasnain are exceptional talents and they complement each other well. One with abundant fire in his belly and the other with a calm/mature head on his shoulders.

    Would love to see one of these young quicks join on first change (hoping Hasan opens once he's able to control the new ball) after Abbas has done his due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Shoaib akhtar should have got at least 250 wickets.
    Shoaib didn't care about being fit, he was too obsessed with his pace. And he had disciple issues. so he missed out on too many matches and ended up with underwhelming stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    This fact highlights how poor Pakistan's test team has been since 2Ws/Shoaib.

    Both Amir and Asif should have achieved this stat but we all know what happened there

    Aizaz Cheema and Sohail Khan ; both of them had skill, potential and hunger but unfortunately PCB had other plans...

    I hope we do not make same mistakes with SSA, Hassan and Abbas. SSA especially, he must be rested and played wisely.
    Junaid Khan could have been as well, he was just not the same bowler after the injury. However Hasan Ali made a wonderful recovery and has comeback strong.

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    We have produced enough fast bowlers since 2 Ws to get 200 test wickets like Akhter, Shabbir, Sami, Gul, Asif, Amir, Junaid but for one reason or another no one ended up with 200 test wickets. Shaheen and Hassan should be able to do it if they remain fit and don’t get into any controversy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketAXEpert View Post
    Junaid Khan could have been as well, he was just not the same bowler after the injury. However Hasan Ali made a wonderful recovery and has comeback strong.
    Totally forgot about Junaid Khan.

    Yep, he was a promising bowler as well, but the damn injuries consumed his career.

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    Im still baffled how gul never got 200 wkts

    He had such a promising start to his test career and then fizzled out into a limited overd specialist instead

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    Some amazing figures for the recently concluded series:

    10 for 94 Shaheen Afridi's match figures at Sabina Park. These are the best bowling figures by a Pakistan fast bowler since Mohammad Asif took 11 for 71 against Sri Lanka in Kandy in April 2006. Mohammad Abbas and Hasan Ali are the only other Pakistan quicks to have taken ten wickets in a Test during this period.

    2 Fast bowlers younger than Afridi to take a ten-wicket Test match haul in the 21st century are Irfan Pathan and Kagiso Rabada. While Pathan took ten wickets against Bangladesh in Dhaka, Rabada achieved the feat against England in Centurion. Afridi is the fourth-youngest quick bowler from Pakistan to this feat. Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Mohammad Zahid are the ones who got there before him.

    18 Wickets taken by Afridi in the series are the joint second-most in a two-match Test series for Pakistan, and also the joint third-most by any fast bowler in a two-match series. Abbas was the second-highest wicket-taker for Pakistan with six wickets. Afridi is also the first visiting bowler with a ten-wicket match haul in Tests in the West Indies since Ishant Sharma in 2011.


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    Shaheen should get 300+ wickets easily.

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    We are not resting him enough and I am seriously worried about this as Pakistan cricket mgmt have no idea what they are doing. They only rest him when media, fans and shaheen himself complains about his work load.

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    Pakistan batsman and bowlers will always find it difficult to break records because Pakistan simply do not play enough tests . Pakistan not even playing 3 Test Match series.

    Pakistan need to play at least 10 - 12 Tests a year.

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    Sadly most of his wickets are vs minnows and he averages 36.5 vs Aus/Eng/NZ/SA which is a little concerning. Still the best option we have got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forward Defensive Push View Post
    Just shows how we've been resting on laurels for such a long time.. sometimes I think 1992 WC win is a curse
    I keep reading this “92 WC win is the worst thing that ever happened to pak cricket” narrative on this forum recently.

    The narrative is that the 92 win was some sort of fluke, miracle - otherwise it was just an average team.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that the 92 World Cup was the culmination of an era where Pakistan were one of the best teams in the world in both formats.

    Lest anyone forgets:
    Pakistan were one of the pre-tournament favourites (yes the odds went down when Waqar was ruled out, but there was still enough quality there to be considered a formidable outfit.

    Pakistan won the Nehru Cup in 1989/90 - the last major tournament involving all test playing nations

    Pakistan drew 3 series in a row 1-1 vs the mighty west indies (arguably the best side ever) where the likes of England were blackwashed

    This was a fighting, mentally tough team with a never-say-die attitude. They had steel, will and talent. This is what Imran and Javed instilled in them for a decade.

    Yes they got off to a poor start, but it was their steel, self belief that kept them in (that same never say die attitude) and it was quality shining through that won them the tournament. They peaked at the right time just like the Aussies did in 1999.

    The unpredictable tag was given by western commentators, but the reality was that they were a predictably formidable team in those days.

    Were the Aussies branded unpredictable in 1999? No? Why? Because they were a good team in the 90s? Well Pakistan was a great team in 80s too.

    So please I encourage all to learn their history before commenting on this.

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    Unbelievable that no Pakistan pacer has achieved either of those things for 3 decades, in the supposed land of fast bowling.

    Shaheen has got 76 wickets in 19 Tests at the age of 21 - he's certainly going to break that streak, unless he becomes plagued with serious injuries. Our coaches will have blood on their hands if they don't manage his workload properly.

    Hassan Ali has got 63 wickets in 15 Tests at the age of 27 - there's an outside chance he could achieve it too, but only if he stays injury-free, which I doubt.


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    If anyone is on the list then Shaheen is the one. Hasan is doing well too albeit a bit injury prone. Shaheen can definitely be the next Rana Naveed Ul Hasan!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSultan View Post
    I keep reading this “92 WC win is the worst thing that ever happened to pak cricket” narrative on this forum recently.

    The narrative is that the 92 win was some sort of fluke, miracle - otherwise it was just an average team.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that the 92 World Cup was the culmination of an era where Pakistan were one of the best teams in the world in both formats.

    Lest anyone forgets:
    Pakistan were one of the pre-tournament favourites (yes the odds went down when Waqar was ruled out, but there was still enough quality there to be considered a formidable outfit.

    Pakistan won the Nehru Cup in 1989/90 - the last major tournament involving all test playing nations

    Pakistan drew 3 series in a row 1-1 vs the mighty west indies (arguably the best side ever) where the likes of England were blackwashed

    This was a fighting, mentally tough team with a never-say-die attitude. They had steel, will and talent. This is what Imran and Javed instilled in them for a decade.

    Yes they got off to a poor start, but it was their steel, self belief that kept them in (that same never say die attitude) and it was quality shining through that won them the tournament. They peaked at the right time just like the Aussies did in 1999.

    The unpredictable tag was given by western commentators, but the reality was that they were a predictably formidable team in those days.

    Were the Aussies branded unpredictable in 1999? No? Why? Because they were a good team in the 90s? Well Pakistan was a great team in 80s too.

    So please I encourage all to learn their history before commenting on this.
    This is actually very true. Pakistan were one of the top test sides throughout the 80s and one of the vert best ODI sides in the late 80s. No surprise they did well in the 92 wc, what was a bigger surprise at the time was that they started so poorly.

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    Well, I never realised that there has been no one in the last 3 decades to achieve that.
    Even if you discount the last decade it is still very odd.

    Shaheen look like the real deal and can do it

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    The odds are against him but hopefully he can shine through, the set up his horrendous. Imagine these blokes under the careful management of the ECB

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    https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2256478

    Shaheen Afridi unveiled that he will be donning the legendary all-rounder's jersey number, ahead of the ODI series opener against New Zealand.

    The 21-year-old speedster has established himself as the spearhead of Pakistan's pace attack since his debut in 2018. In his 77 internationals so far, he has already picked up 161 wickets at 25.47.

    The pacer revealed the new kit with No.10 imprinted on the back, a number famously associated with Shahid Afridi for decades in the Pakistan men's team.

    Shaheen took to social media to share his sentiments, calling it "more than a shirt number".

    I wore this shirt with great honour and pride, I'm delighted that the #10 shirt will now be worn by Shaheen.who is a truly worthy successor! Shaheen I wish you the very best, continue to rise and wear ���� colours with the greatest pride.

    Earlier, Shaheen had the No.40 on his jersey.

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    Always thought Shaheen Shah Afridi will don the No.10 jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    I think both hasan ali and shaheen afridi can get to 200 wickets mark in test cricket. Unfortunately pakistan do not play enough test cricket to produce 300 350 wickets bowlers. Even if a bowler plays for 10 years , he will only have played 60 odd test matches ( margin of injuries included).
    Pakistan do play low number of tests as compared to other nations.
    Test matches played since 2011

    Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
    England 2011-2021 133 58 50 0 25 1.16
    India 2011-2021 108 55 32 0 21 1.718
    Australia 2011-2021 105 53 35 0 17 1.514
    Sri Lanka 2011-2021 99 32 43 0 24 0.744
    West Indies 2011-2021 90 26 48 0 16 0.541
    South Africa 2011-2021 88 44 28 0 16 1.571
    New Zealand 2011-2021 87 39 29 0 19 1.344
    Pakistan 2011-2021 85 37 35 0 13 1.057
    Bangladesh 2011-2021 56 12 33 0 11 0.363
    Zimbabwe 2011-2021 32 5 25 0 2 0.2
    Afghanistan 2018-2021 6 3 3 0 0 1
    Ireland 2018-2019 3 0 3 0 0 0


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeetu View Post
    Pakistan do play low number of tests as compared to other nations.
    Test matches played since 2011

    Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
    England 2011-2021 133 58 50 0 25 1.16
    India 2011-2021 108 55 32 0 21 1.718
    Australia 2011-2021 105 53 35 0 17 1.514
    Sri Lanka 2011-2021 99 32 43 0 24 0.744
    West Indies 2011-2021 90 26 48 0 16 0.541
    South Africa 2011-2021 88 44 28 0 16 1.571
    New Zealand 2011-2021 87 39 29 0 19 1.344
    Pakistan 2011-2021 85 37 35 0 13 1.057
    Bangladesh 2011-2021 56 12 33 0 11 0.363
    Zimbabwe 2011-2021 32 5 25 0 2 0.2
    Afghanistan 2018-2021 6 3 3 0 0 1
    Ireland 2018-2019 3 0 3 0 0 0
    India clearly ahead with good W/L ratio

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    He is well on course to achieve greater heights in Test cricket.
    At 21 he's already played 20 matches and has so far taken 83 wickets. Now, he's also in the top 5 in ICC rankings. Hopefully, he'll carry on this form.

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    Shaheen is the best bowler we have produced since Mohammed Asif. Unless he goes down the Asif route, he will go down as a Pakistani great and maybe even an ATG, when it’s all said and done.

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