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    "8-9 players are set in their positions for the T20 World Cup" : Misbah-ul-Haq

    Misbah-ul-Haq speaking to the media:



    "As I had said before, we are are near to finalizing out combination for the T20 World Cup but obviously we still have problems. These are unfortunately the same problems before as our middle-order is not performing at the same level as our top order. However, about 8-9 players are set in their positions for the T20 World Cup and we know who their replacements will be as well. Of course the results in the recent series was not to our liking but we do know the combination that we need"

    "All sports around the world are facing the same scenario [COVID-19 related] and we saw what happened in England in relation to this issue. But we all have to live with this and all of us, Management and players, are concerned about this situation but we know that CWI and PCB are making sure that all measures are being taken to ensure the safety of everyone and that we play in a safe and sound environment. There is always mental pressure of playing during COVID times as we need to quarantine and stay in bubbles. You cannot have normal activities and socialization and you travel bubble to bubble. So difficulties do exist for all of us but we will need to adapt to this as this is how sports is being played everywhere"

    "Each and every game is important for us as we head towards the ICC T20 World Cup. We need to improve our performance regardless of what happened in England where we came across a top team playing in their own conditions. We need to improve ourselves now and win this series to gain some confidence after our it was shattered a bit in the last series"

    "Results before the England series were very good however, the one area we are struggling a lot is in the performance of the middle-order. Unfortunately, Mohammad Hafeez has not been able to score runs in the way he did last year, and we are not getting good contributions in the 5-6 position as they should be. Overall the team is in a good state but if our middle-order starts functioning along with the top order then it will improve our chances for the future"

    "The performances of our 3-dimensional players will be very important. So, the lower middle-order which includes all-rounders such as Shadab Khan and even Hassan Ali's performances along with those of Mohammad Nawaz will be be crucial and will provide stability to the side. Above all the main concern is about our middle-order and especially lower middle-order"

    "Azam Khan has really played one proper innings so far and you cannot judge much from that and only when he has played more can we say anything about him. When you come in at the number 5-6 position, where you need to score at close to 12-14 runs/over then you cannot judge him by that one innings. Let's see how he does in the upcoming series but we have to remember that the role of any player batting at that position is to score runs"

    "Our bowling did not perform in the same way as it did in South Africa or in during our home series. We have concerns about our bowling where we have given high number of runs during some overs which has changed the outcome of series. There is a lot of room for improvement in this area."

    "When we arrived in England for the ODI series we had played T20s at home in PSL and were not prepared that well and it was tough to adjust from 20 over to 50 over format. The difference now in West Indies is that we have come here after playing in T20Is in England and have improved as we played more. We have played a competitive T20I series against a top team and we feel we have a good momentum going as we got to play in conditions that are similar to what we have in Pakistan or UAE. Even in the West Indies we have such pitches and conditions and I feel that we won't have same problems we had in England as have been playing matches in similar format in recent times"

    "Talk of us not judging playing conditions in England seem to be based upon after thought. In all matches we have played, we have always made sure that we went in with a balanced team. All this talk is about the 2nd T20I where a lot of people have criticized us saying that in those conditions, England played 2 leg-spinners so why did we not do the same. If you look at our team, we had 2 spinners in every game we played where we had a left-arm spinner and a leg-spinner as well as Mohammad Hafeez - so we had 12 overs of spin available to us. So looking at the team balance we wanted to play 6 proper batsmen. We even played an additional spinner in the next game and even England went in with a similar combination. So we never go into any match with a one-dimensional attack as you may need the services of a fast-bowler as back-up."

    "If you don't play good cricket then that is the margin of victory or loss and you cannot blame it on things like batting or bowling first"
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    Thats a huge problem when we only have ONE dimensional players.

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    So this means Misbah will be our coach going into the WT20, unbelievable.

    Weíll still be stuck with the Babar + Rizwan opening combo since Misbah thinks itís not a problem.

    Azam Khan will get to play 2-3 or maybe more games in the West Indies series but somehow they canít get Sharjeel into the team. If they can try Fakhar at 5 then why canít they try Sharjeel at 6?

    Shaheen and Hassan will be playing every game in the T20i series vs West Indies, donít expect Misbah to test the bench strength, theyíre just there to carry the drinks. Doesnít Misbah want to see how Mohammad Wasim and Arshad Iqbal play at the top level, or is he too afraid of losing?

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    Apart from the general excuse making where he almost makes losing 5 games out of 6 sound like some kind of achievement, the other worrying sentence in that interview is that he is stressing the importance of 3 dimensional players like Shadab and Mohammed Nawaz.

    3 dimensional in what way? They are both very mediocre with both bat and ball. If the Pakistan camp seriously thinks these guys will win a world cup they are in for more rude awakenings.


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    And I thought only 3-4 players are set in their position for the T20 world cup? Babar, Rizwan, Zaman and Hasan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Apart from the general excuse making where he almost makes losing 5 games out of 6 sound like some kind of achievement, the other worrying sentence in that interview is that he is stressing the importance of 3 dimensional players like Shadab and Mohammed Nawaz.

    3 dimensional in what way? They are both very mediocre with both bat and ball. If the Pakistan camp seriously thinks these guys will win a world cup they are in for more rude awakenings.
    hafeez when he is a bowling is a guaranteed starter, esp in uae imo. his record their is good and he is pbly one of the smartest spinners in the team, plus against lefties hes world class. once he gets his batting form going again i dont think u can drop him.

    shadab will always get in the t20 team because of his fielding. his bowling and batting are both mediocre but there is literally no one pressing him for that spot.

    i dont think going in expecting to win the comp is realistic, pak simply dont have the dynamic hitters, so just select what u have and hope for the best. 99% sure these names will be on the starting xi for the first game in the comp.

    1. riz
    2. babar
    3. fakhar
    4. professor
    5.
    6.
    7. imad
    8. shadab
    9. hassan
    10.
    11. shaheen

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    Pakistan need to give a chance to Sharjeel,arshad,wasim Jnr,Qadir,Nawaz in the west Indies series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    And I thought only 3-4 players are set in their position for the T20 world cup? Babar, Rizwan, Zaman and Hasan.
    Shaheen,Imad,Shadab

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    When Mishab became the captain of the team, he took away the fearless approach from the team. He literally castrated match winners and chose safe options over fearless cricketers. Umar Akmal was an undeniable talent , wasn’t managed well. During his tenure emphasis was always on winning rather than building a team, its bench strengths. This is precisely why there are so many softies in the team. Name one guy who could play fearless cricket with a head on his shoulders. Mishab , did indeed bring some respectability to team, suddenly Pakistan wasn’t a bunch of notorious scammers and drug addicts but he did cause damage too. I guess it had to go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Shaheen,Imad,Shadab
    I think only one out of Imad or Shadab should play. Pakistan should invest in specialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I think only one out of Imad or Shadab should play. Pakistan should invest in specialists.
    On UAE wickets Pakistan will need both. Imad certainly is world-class in this format while Shadab is (for better or worse) the best limited-overs leg-spinner we have. And the importance of leg spinners in this format cannot be underestimated. I see both playing every game unless the opposition is India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    On UAE wickets Pakistan will need both. Imad certainly is world-class in this format while Shadab is (for better or worse) the best limited-overs spinner we have. And the importance of leg spinners in this format cannot be underestimated. I see both playing every game unless the opposition is India.
    I would still go for a specialist. It seems Pakistani fans have forgotten that they once had specialist bowlers like Saqlain and Ajmal. These guys used to run through batting line ups. PCB and their selectors should invest in at least one specialist spinner and he should play every game.

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    I think Nawaz should play more he is a brilliant bowler, wish he would bat better though

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    We dont have much talent 1 ,2 or 3 dimensional. But we were much better under Mickey.
    Misbah blaming the conditions and difficulties in adjusting to different formats is a permanent theme now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    hafeez when he is a bowling is a guaranteed starter, esp in uae imo. his record their is good and he is pbly one of the smartest spinners in the team, plus against lefties hes world class. once he gets his batting form going again i dont think u can drop him.

    shadab will always get in the t20 team because of his fielding. his bowling and batting are both mediocre but there is literally no one pressing him for that spot.

    i dont think going in expecting to win the comp is realistic, pak simply dont have the dynamic hitters, so just select what u have and hope for the best. 99% sure these names will be on the starting xi for the first game in the comp.

    1. riz
    2. babar
    3. fakhar
    4. professor
    5.
    6.
    7. imad
    8. shadab
    9. hassan
    10.
    11. shaheen
    I just wonder if we don't have spinners who are more effective than Shadab or Nawaz regardless of their " 3 dimensional qualities, because in reality I don't think either's batting can make up for a weak spell of bowling.

    Other than that I agree, we don't have the hitters to be realistic contenders to win the tournament.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I would still go for a specialist. It seems Pakistani fans have forgotten that they once had specialist bowlers like Saqlain and Ajmal. These guys used to run through batting line ups. PCB and their selectors should invest in at least one specialist spinner and he should play every game.
    Yes but these guys were two of the best spinners in the world at their peak. At present Pakistan has no one (specialist or non-specialist) that even comes close. The one specialist limited-overs spinner we do have: Usman Qadir, simply bowls an obscene amount of rubbish in any given spell. He could be something someday but he needs alot of fine-tuning to reach that level. And while he likely will make the World Cup squad, I see him being more of a liability with the ball against big teams, than someone who can win games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I just wonder if we don't have spinners who are more effective than Shadab or Nawaz regardless of their " 3 dimensional qualities, because in reality I don't think either's batting can make up for a weak spell of bowling.

    Other than that I agree, we don't have the hitters to be realistic contenders to win the tournament.
    Unfortunately or fortunately (Atleast they can bat) these are two of the best spinners we have. Other than Qadir even the next best/better one at the moment is Nawaz who is also not the so called specialist spinner.

    Asif Afridi who is 34 years old (SLA) had an outstanding last white ball season where he was clearly on of the best on display. Was leading wicket taker with 25 wickets at an average of 22 and economy of 5.02 in a high scoring Pakistan Cup along with economy of 7.88 in 9 matches (Best amongst all spinners except Imad who played 6 matches) in National T20 2020 playing a crucial role for KPK. A decent lower order batsman as well with 50s across the formats (A 100 in FC cricket as well). No point in talking about the guy as not only he doesnt have the youthfulness but, guy doesnt have any media backing and fans would have also had an emotional outburst if the guy would have ben selected. So kind of unselectable.

    Raza Hassan havent showed much since return from doping ban. Rest of the spinners in play havent showed enough to be picked as specialist spinners ahead of Shadab, Imad, Nawaz and the fact that the mentioned 3 can bat as well takes the rest of the options completely out of picture.

    There are some young ones to look forward to and hope they can become that match turning spinners in whiteball cricket as they develop. However, would like them to get more opportunities at domestic level for main teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Shaheen,Imad,Shadab
    Fakhar too, he is still one of best Pak players albeit inconsistent. And if Hafeez picks form again, he will be there too.

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    Such a shame, you don't want to allow your bench to play, you play against Zimbabwe with your full strength team and then you are hoping to get rest of players. Certainly they don't have any plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I just wonder if we don't have spinners who are more effective than Shadab or Nawaz regardless of their " 3 dimensional qualities, because in reality I don't think either's batting can make up for a weak spell of bowling.
    unfort i dont think we do, psl no local spinners made a mark. umer khan had potential but gt sidelined at karachi, and raza hasan had his own issues.

    raza was potential world class from when he was 19, great control and a stock ball that spun. if they were really being brave someone like nauman ali might be worth a gamble given his batting, but then u have another passenger in the field.

    im guessing usman might get a go, but his lack of experience manifests itself in the amount of bad balls he bowls. but he does bowl some absolute jaffas in between too. his google is vastly superior to shadabs, whos is visible even on the tele, lol.

    pak are really missing an old school, flight and dip specialist spinner. its a tought pill to swallow but pakistan in terms of technical ability is at a frightfully low point in its history.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adnan_Ilyas View Post
    I think Nawaz should play more he is a brilliant bowler, wish he would bat better though
    Very disappointed with his poor show with the bat but i really want him and Imad bowling in the opening powerplay in UAE. Both have the ability to keep it tight and Nawaz bowls real well in the middle overs as well if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    And I thought only 3-4 players are set in their position for the T20 world cup? Babar, Rizwan, Zaman and Hasan.
    Misbah says 8 players but I canít think of more than 5 players that have secured their spots in the T20 team.

    Babar
    Rizwan
    Hassan Ali
    Shaheen
    Hafeez (if he bowls)
    ___________
    According to Misbah, he probably thinks Fakhar, Shadab, Imad and Faheem have secured their spots too.

    No specialist spinner, 3 mediocre all rounders, 2 accumulators at the top, a non existent middle order, and only a couple of months till the WT20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    unfort i dont think we do, psl no local spinners made a mark. umer khan had potential but gt sidelined at karachi, and raza hasan had his own issues.

    raza was potential world class from when he was 19, great control and a stock ball that spun. if they were really being brave someone like nauman ali might be worth a gamble given his batting, but then u have another passenger in the field.

    im guessing usman might get a go, but his lack of experience manifests itself in the amount of bad balls he bowls. but he does bowl some absolute jaffas in between too. his google is vastly superior to shadabs, whos is visible even on the tele, lol.

    pak are really missing an old school, flight and dip specialist spinner. its a tought pill to swallow but pakistan in terms of technical ability is at a frightfully low point in its history.
    What happened with Umer Khan? In the previous year's PSL he was outstanding, then we barely seen him since. Is it because he can't bat?


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    Misbah sounds like a World Cup runner up

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    The only players who are staples of the team are Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Hasan Ali.

    The rest are all mediocre. I would pick Imad, Hafeez, Usman.

    After that, I guess Fakhar, but Sohaib is a definite no.

    Should have tried some newbies but Pak cricket.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I think only one out of Imad or Shadab should play. Pakistan should invest in specialists.
    But then that decreases the length of the batting line up

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    Fakhar too, he is still one of best Pak players albeit inconsistent. And if Hafeez picks form again, he will be there too.
    Fakhar was already in the list that I commented on.

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    Nawaz is a good bowler though. Find him to be a better bowler than Usman Qadir. He can keep it tight in the middle overs. Imad bowls in the powerplay overs. Need to have 6 bowlers in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    hafeez when he is a bowling is a guaranteed starter, esp in uae imo. his record their is good and he is pbly one of the smartest spinners in the team, plus against lefties hes world class. once he gets his batting form going again i dont think u can drop him.

    shadab will always get in the t20 team because of his fielding. his bowling and batting are both mediocre but there is literally no one pressing him for that spot.

    i dont think going in expecting to win the comp is realistic, pak simply dont have the dynamic hitters, so just select what u have and hope for the best. 99% sure these names will be on the starting xi for the first game in the comp.

    1. riz
    2. babar
    3. fakhar
    4. professor
    5.
    6.
    7. imad
    8. shadab
    9. hassan
    10.
    11. shaheen
    We defo need 6 front line bowlers therefore Imad and Shadab need to bat at 6 and 7 respectively. Therefore that leaves free slots for 1 batsman and 2 bowlers.

    From what i have seen, Sohaib has shown little more hope than the hopeless Asif Ali & Azam Khan therefore he will be my choice.

    The bowling slots have to go to Hasnain and Qadir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    What happened with Umer Khan? In the previous year's PSL he was outstanding, then we barely seen him since. Is it because he can't bat?
    if the conspiracy theorists are believed... the fact that karachi have not been able to hold down any spinner and their choice of captain are not completely unrelated

    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    We defo need 6 front line bowlers therefore Imad and Shadab need to bat at 6 and 7 respectively. Therefore that leaves free slots for 1 batsman and 2 bowlers.

    From what i have seen, Sohaib has shown little more hope than the hopeless Asif Ali & Azam Khan therefore he will be my choice.

    The bowling slots have to go to Hasnain and Qadir.
    i hate to even type this, but knowing misbah and this management im sure theyd want another all rounder in there, and theres a supposed 30 year old with a strike rate of 130 in t20is and an odi 5fer who happens to bowl a little off spin still in the wings.

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    Misbah's instructions in the video would be to block out the first 18 overs then go for big shots in the last two. We are lacking a middle order batsman.


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    Arish ali khan was very impressive in that one game he played for quetta in the PSL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    On UAE wickets Pakistan will need both. Imad certainly is world-class in this format while Shadab is (for better or worse) the best limited-overs leg-spinner we have. And the importance of leg spinners in this format cannot be underestimated. I see both playing every game unless the opposition is India.
    Imad is not spinner so specially for UAE pitches either U Qadir or Nawaz should be playing

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    The 8 or 9 I guess are:

    Babar
    Rizwan
    Hafeez
    Fakhar
    Shadab
    Imad
    Hasnain
    Shaheen
    Hassan

    Quite worrying really.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Faiz1978 View Post
    Imad is not spinner so specially for UAE pitches either U Qadir or Nawaz should be playing
    I can guarantee you Imad will be playing.

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    If you are kicked out as head coach they will surely perform much better.

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    Yes was always 8 with Malik, aamir and Wahab coming in itís 11.

    They are just allowed to make money in leagues whilst national duty doesnít pay well at all.

    Our first xi team in uae will be

    Babar
    Rizwan
    Maqsood
    Fakhar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    Imad
    Shadab
    Wahab
    Hassan
    Shaheen

    Malik and Hafeez will ball at least 4 overs.

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    Not sure about anyone elseís position, but Hafeez has probably already booked a golf course in UAE during the dates scheduled for T20 World Cup - his seat on the plane is as confirmed as that of Messi when Argentina goes away to play a football World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I can guarantee you Imad will be playing.
    Thiers no question about that.Imad and shadab are guaranteed starters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    The 8 or 9 I guess are:

    Babar
    Rizwan
    Hafeez
    Fakhar
    Shadab
    Imad
    Hasnain
    Shaheen
    Hassan

    Quite worrying really.
    Shadab at number 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Misbah's instructions in the video would be to block out the first 18 overs then go for big shots in the last two. We are lacking a middle order batsman.
    Yes your right . Thatís what exactly he instructed them when they posted their highest ever T20 score the other week.

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    Rizwan
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    NOT SURE
    Imad
    Shadab
    Hassan Ali
    NOT SURE
    Shaheen

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Thiers no question about that.Imad and shadab are guaranteed starters
    I wonder sometimes if maybe there is a special multi-billion pound agreement signed by Pak govt. with IMF/World Bank which as part of their terms and conditions has guaranteed certain flop players a place in the team despite lack of performances - maybe we have no authority to drop them or otherwise the IMF / WB will demand from Pak that their loan is paid back within 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    I wonder sometimes if maybe there is a special multi-billion pound agreement signed by Pak govt. with IMF/World Bank which as part of their terms and conditions has guaranteed certain flop players a place in the team despite lack of performances - maybe we have no authority to drop them or otherwise the IMF / WB will demand from Pak that their loan is paid back within 24 hours.
    Name me a replacement for Imad or shadab ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Name me a replacement for Imad or shadab ?
    Thereís a few who can score 25 with the bat once a series and chip in with a couple of 2 wicket hauls - nothing special needed there to exceed what Shadab and Imad are contributing , although personally I would prefer going in with a specialist batsman or bowler who at least gives you some hope that they might get a 50 or even 100 one day in the future, and maybe get a 5-fer with the ball now and again in their career too.. even if their other department is Ďpart-timeí.

    Give me a full time batsman who is an amateur bowler , or full time bowler who is an amateur batsman ó over a bits and pieces part-time batsman and part-time bowler type all rounder any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Shadab at number 5.
    It was a list of the names I'm guessing Misbah is saying are the 8 or 9 - it's not in any batting order etc.



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    As I had said before, we are are near to finalizing out combination for the T20 World Cup but obviously we still have problems. These are unfortunately the same problems before as our middle-order is not performing at the same level as our top order
    Someone ask this Haram Khore, as to how good is your $250,000.00 salary when you canít fix these problems even after being on the job for more than 2 years?

    If you canít fix it, you shouldíve NEVER applied for this position. And YOU KNEW IT very well.

    But now that itís water under the bridge, itís only fair to resign and move on.
    And pay back the money given to you in payroll and perks, if you have an iota of shame.

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    Just to add to my earlier post on Shadab and Imadís mediocre contribution to the team - add Faheem to that list too and just looking at T20 internationals alone, they have played close to 150 T20I matches between them (49 for Shadab, 52 for Imad, 42 for Faheem ) and guess what , how many 50s have they scored with the bat between them collectively?

    NopeÖ guess again.

    Okay, the answer is ZERO!!! 0

    Yes read that again, in about 150 T20 games combined, these legendary all rounders havenít yet managed to score a 50 between themÖ oh dear oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    I wonder sometimes if maybe there is a special multi-billion pound agreement signed by Pak govt. with IMF/World Bank which as part of their terms and conditions has guaranteed certain flop players a place in the team despite lack of performances - maybe we have no authority to drop them or otherwise the IMF / WB will demand from Pak that their loan is paid back within 24 hours.
    Fully justified as he's probably a more genuine all rounder than any other spinner in the team.


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    With their performance in leading prayers 5 times a day maybe God shows his miracle and replaces all these duds with real angels - that has always been the story of the Pakistani nation. otherwise, these players have shown "bhaut talent" already and is no longer bearable by the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    There’s a few who can score 25 with the bat once a series and chip in with a couple of 2 wicket hauls - nothing special needed there to exceed what Shadab and Imad are contributing , although personally I would prefer going in with a specialist batsman or bowler who at least gives you some hope that they might get a 50 or even 100 one day in the future, and maybe get a 5-fer with the ball now and again in their career too.. even if their other department is ‘part-time’.

    Give me a full time batsman who is an amateur bowler , or full time bowler who is an amateur batsman — over a bits and pieces part-time batsman and part-time bowler type all rounder any day.
    You stil haven't named a replacement for either Imad or Shadab even our main batters can't even score 25 runs.am talking about t20s not odis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    It was a list of the names I'm guessing Misbah is saying are the 8 or 9 - it's not in any batting order etc.
    Fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Just to add to my earlier post on Shadab and Imad’s mediocre contribution to the team - add Faheem to that list too and just looking at T20 internationals alone, they have played close to 150 T20I matches between them (49 for Shadab, 52 for Imad, 42 for Faheem ) and guess what , how many 50s have they scored with the bat between them collectively?

    Nope… guess again.

    Okay, the answer is ZERO!!! 0

    Yes read that again, in about 150 T20 games combined, these legendary all rounders haven’t yet managed to score a 50 between them… oh dear oh dear.
    And as I said earlier, add Osman Qadir and whatever that Saud Shakeel in the list too, and for this T20 WC, I will happily take Shoaib Malik over anyone of these.

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    I think many PPers are going by the concluded overall Eng series' (1-5), whereas T20 performance from Pak was better and WT20 cricket will be played in more familiar territory. And in world events we generally see a more spirited performance from Pak team. IMHO much of the gloom and doom is uncalled for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    You stil haven't named a replacement for either Imad or Shadab even our main batters can't even score 25 runs.am talking about t20s not odis.
    Well in that case try some new faces , so what if they fail - can they do much worse than these guys ? Iím sure even Riaz doodhwala , Bashir sabziwala, Ghafoor rikshawala can manage to match the feat of playing 150 T20 internationals between them and not score a 50! That takes them half way there to be adequate replacements for Shadab, Imad, Faheem ó all you need them to do after that is to bowl and Iím sure in no time they will be able to bowl freebies, full tosses, get smashed for 15-20 runs in one over per game, thatía about 90 % there in terms of matching the bowling credentials of our legendary all rounders - the other 10% of being able to chip in with 1 or 2 wickets they will learn from experience if given as many games.

    The point is, if all you are offering is garbage than might as well throw some new garbage rather than recycling the same again and again. And in the process you might just find someone that can offer a bit extra (not that thatís that difficult to do).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Well in that case try some new faces , so what if they fail - can they do much worse than these guys ? I’m sure even Riaz doodhwala , Bashir sabziwala, Ghafoor rikshawala can manage to match the feat of playing 150 T20 internationals between them and not score a 50! That takes them half way there to be adequate replacements for Shadab, Imad, Faheem — all you need then do after that is to bowl and I’m sure in no time they will be able to bowl freebies, full tosses, get smashed for 15-20 runs in one over per game, that’a about 90 % there in terms of matching the bowling credentials of our legendary all rounders - the other 10% of being able to chip in with 1 or 2 wickets they will learn from experience if given as many games.

    The point is, if all you are offering is garbage than might as well throw some new garbage rather than recycling the same again and again. And in the process you might just find someone that can offer a bit extra (not that that’s that difficult to do).
    They are batting at at 7 and 8 who proberly will take 25 balls at the max not sure how you can expect them to get 50s or filters and again.

    You stil haven't provided an adequate replacement they only garbage to you and majority of the fans think different .

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    Having two touch players to open in the t20 power play for me is the wrong call. Pakistan should open with sharjeel and babar and move rizwan down the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenKhan View Post
    Yes your right . That’s what exactly he instructed them when they posted their highest ever T20 score the other week.
    On a good batting pitch it wasn't much. Much like when he was defending in the final over against India in the world cup semi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Rizwan
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    NOT SURE
    Imad
    Shadab
    Hassan Ali
    NOT SURE
    Shaheen
    I wouldnít mind this. Hafeez and Malik will have to bowl at least 3-4 overs between them ideally to help us maintain balance.

    However, I donít see PAK playing an optimal XI. Expecting Maqsood and Azam both to feature in the XI- nothing on their current form suggests they should. Letís see WIN series.
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    Pakistan are at that stage where they have to back experience and PSL performance and hope for the best. No time left for Azam Khan type selections.

    That means Maqsood and Malik in the middle order and Wahab as the third seamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Rizwan
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    NOT SURE
    Imad
    Shadab
    Hassan Ali
    NOT SURE
    Shaheen
    These are pretty much the 8-9 players Misbah is talking about. I think it'll be between Haider Ali and Iftikhar for the 6th position and Shahnawaz, Hussain, Rauf for the 10th. I wouldn't mind Iftikhar as that would give us 5 options for spin so no need for a specialist spinner.

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    The danger at the moment is that the closer we get to the T20 World Cup, the less form players there are and the less stability there is in the team.

    Square pegs in round holes, players not in good form - worrying times.



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    For T20 world cup especially seeing the conditions at UAE
    Rizwan
    Sharjeel
    Babar
    Hafeez
    Fakhar
    Shahdab
    Imad
    Hassan Ali
    Zafar gohar
    Shaheen afridi
    Dhani

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yk313 View Post
    I wouldn’t mind this. Hafeez and Malik will have to bowl at least 3-4 overs between them ideally to help us maintain balance.

    However, I don’t see PAK playing an optimal XI. Expecting Maqsood and Azam both to feature in the XI- nothing on their current form suggests they should. Let’s see WIN series.
    I agree if hafeez and malik play they both can bowl 2 overs each hafeez on a good day can complete 4 overs.

    I am thinking Pakistan should play either haider ali,iftikhar at number 6.or maqsood if he performs in West Indies series.for the bowling department I want to see arshad Iqbal be given a full go against West Indies

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    These are pretty much the 8-9 players Misbah is talking about. I think it'll be between Haider Ali and Iftikhar for the 6th position and Shahnawaz, Hussain, Rauf for the 10th. I wouldn't mind Iftikhar as that would give us 5 options for spin so no need for a specialist spinner.
    I agree haider ali,Iftikhar should the 6th batting position but I will give maqsood the West Indies as I think he has an outside chance.

    I want to give arshad Iqbal a chance I really like him.Rauf for me should not be in the starting xi he's to wayward.Shahnawaz is good but he's not a new ball bowler.in the line up I want a new ball bowler with shaheen I don't want Hassan opening the spell so I want to test arshad with the new ball if it doesn't work our then I'd play husnain who has better control.

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    I feel that Mohammad Wasim will be able to make a good case for himself for the Pak T20 World Cup squad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    I feel that Mohammad Wasim will be able to make a good case for himself for the Pak T20 World Cup squad.
    There is an ever so slight, very slight, pause in his action just before he loads the arm and delivers the ball.

    I hope our highly paid coaches will notice this and bring a bit more smoothness in his action by removing this little niggle that makes a bowler a bit more predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    I agree haider ali,Iftikhar should the 6th batting position but I will give maqsood the West Indies as I think he has an outside chance.

    I want to give arshad Iqbal a chance I really like him.Rauf for me should not be in the starting xi he's to wayward.Shahnawaz is good but he's not a new ball bowler.in the line up I want a new ball bowler with shaheen I don't want Hassan opening the spell so I want to test arshad with the new ball if it doesn't work our then I'd play husnain who has better control.
    Iftikhar's done and dusted, he's been an utter failure for the last year. However, the 6th position is highly problematic with no one grabbing that spot.

    Maqsood's not going to start doing anything at the international level that he's not done in the last 7 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    There is an ever so slight, very slight, pause in his action just before he loads the arm and delivers the ball.

    I hope our highly paid coaches will notice this and bring a bit more smoothness in his action by removing this little niggle that makes a bowler a bit more predictable.
    I thought that this pause is M Wasimís strength? It allows him to see what the batsman is trying to do and alter his delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Iftikhar's done and dusted, he's been an utter failure for the last year. However, the 6th position is highly problematic with no one grabbing that spot.

    Maqsood's not going to start doing anything at the international level that he's not done in the last 7 years.
    He was dropped unfairly.i stil think haider ali should be in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I thought that this pause is M Wasimís strength? It allows him to see what the batsman is trying to do and alter his delivery.
    Nope. That pause is a flaw in the action. It gives the batsmen another point in time and movement of the arm, to figure out when exactly is ball going to leave his hand.

    This is the reason why, a smooth and flawless action is preferred. Pauses/stops you in action only help the batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I thought that this pause is M Wasimís strength? It allows him to see what the batsman is trying to do and alter his delivery.
    If he gets rids of the pause, he can easily be a 145+ bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman4. View Post
    If he gets rids of the pause, he can easily be a 145+ bowler.
    It's not the pace that's the issue.

    I would not care if he's operating in the mid 130s, the issue is that the pause gives batsmen the opportunity to move around. Good batsmen would easily be able to pick up on his variations, which can be problematic.

    Hasan Ali's slower ball is very good because the finger-split happens almost the second before releasing the ball, making it very hard to pick from the hand.

    Mohammad Wasim is still a better option compared with Rauf, so he should just fix this aspect of his action so that he can make a case for his selection for the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UzmanBeast View Post
    It's not the pace that's the issue.

    I would not care if he's operating in the mid 130s, the issue is that the pause gives batsmen the opportunity to move around. Good batsmen would easily be able to pick up on his variations, which can be problematic.

    Hasan Ali's slower ball is very good because the finger-split happens almost the second before releasing the ball, making it very hard to pick from the hand.

    Mohammad Wasim is still a better option compared with Rauf, so he should just fix this aspect of his action so that he can make a case for his selection for the world cup.
    So he doesn't make a case for selection if he doesn't fix this issue.

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    Pakistan issues remains the same with or without M.Wasim.

    They need a opening bowler to pair up with Shaheen. You can not always open with a spinner and H.Ali is most effective as first change.


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