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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Humble pies? For what?

    That a c Indian team that lost 8 players. Couldn't field even 6 or 7 batters got beaten by SL?
    Pandya should concentrate on his performance. He is at Sanjay Bangar level but he is made to look like second coming of Imran Khan/Kapil Dev by fans like you. Any player can perform once in 8-9 games if he gets as much support and chances as Mr Pandya is getting from this team management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pandya should concentrate on his performance. He is at Sanjay Bangar level but he is made to look like second coming of Imran Khan/Kapil Dev by fans like you. Any player can perform once in 8-9 games if he gets as much support and chances as Mr Pandya is getting from this team management.
    Sanjay Bangar
    Odi batting avg - 13 at 75 str rate
    Odi bowling avg - 55

    Hardik Pandya
    Odi batting avg - 33 at 116 str rate
    Odi bowling avg - 41

    No, not every player can perform like Pandya, Pandya has similar avg and str rate as Maxwell who is a permanent member of Aussie team so how about you first try to figure out why Maxwell is included in Australia.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Sanjay Bangar
    Odi batting avg - 13 at 75 str rate
    Odi bowling avg - 55

    Hardik Pandya
    Odi batting avg - 33 at 116 str rate
    Odi bowling avg - 41

    No, not every player can perform like Pandya, Pandya has similar avg and str rate as Maxwell who is a permanent member of Aussie team so how about you first try to figure out why Maxwell is included in Australia.?
    Hold your horses. You surely missed this part in my post

    Any player can perform once in 8-9 games if he gets as much support and chances as Mr Pandya is getting from this team management.

    Bangar only played 15 ODIs. Pandya has played 63 so far. Pandya is an average player. Yes he can play big shots and I will still pick him in our T20 team but as far as ODI's are concerned I will rather play a specialist batsman or give someone else a chance to establish himself as an allrounder. Shardul Thakur and Jaddu have already shut his shop in tests. I don't think he is interested in playing tests anyway as he wants to keep himself in good shape for IPL. And maxwell isn't an Indian player so I don't care why Aus is persisting with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pandya should concentrate on his performance. He is at Sanjay Bangar level but he is made to look like second coming of Imran Khan/Kapil Dev by fans like you. Any player can perform once in 8-9 games if he gets as much support and chances as Mr Pandya is getting from this team management.
    None of his stats in any format are particularly impressive.

    In fact I was surprised just how average his numbers are, considering all the hype.



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    Who all are better than Pandya in LOIs in his batting position and role across the world?

    Maxwell averages 34@121 and a part time spinner with 52 average.

    Miller averages 40@100 but a specialist bat.

    Moeen averages 25@100 with bat but 50 with the bowl.

    Jadeja averages 32@87 with bat but 36 with the bowl.

    Pollard averages 26@94 with bat and 39 with bowl.

    de Grandhomme averages 27@110 with bat and 43 with bowl.

    Shadab averages 24@71 with bat and 32 with bowl.

    Faheem averages 11@83 with bat and 46 with bowl.

    Anyone else?
    Last edited by Ab Fan; 31st July 2021 at 01:44.

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    Stokes- 40@95 with bat and 41 with bowl.

    Pandya - 32@116 with bat and 41 with bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Who all are better than Pandya in LOIs in his batting position and role across the world?

    Maxwell averages 34@121 and a part time spinner with 52 average.

    Miller averages 40@100 but a specialist bat.

    Moeen averages 25@100 with bat but 50 with the bowl.

    Jadeja averages 32@87 with bat but 36 with the bowl.

    Pollard averages 26@94 with bat and 39 with bowl.

    de Grandhomme averages 27@110 with bat and 43 with bowl.

    Shadab averages 24@71 with bat and 32 with bowl.

    Faheem averages 11@83 with bat and 46 with bowl.

    Anyone else?
    Bravo

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    I think we're concentrating too much on Pandya's performances.
    If anything the better a player is the more disrespectful comments like Pandya's are.

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    An average player making some really arrogant statements after winning against a team like sri lanka.

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    We don't need two teams. We only need 1 team that can win the tournament for us.

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    If India picks two more teams would Pandya get in any of them?

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    Agree you just need some bowlers to take wickets as well for those two teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    He may have gone over board a bit but not entirely wrong. In white ball cricket Indian can easily field 2 strong teams and still win tournaments.

    We won Nidahas Trophy with back up players.

    We won Asia cup 2018 with captain and main batsman missing. Pandya himself was out of that tournament.

    We now won a series in SL with players some of whom would probably never plat for India again.
    I second you on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is right.

    India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

    Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

    With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.
    Went through some of the comments in this thread and am shocked to see some EXPERTS comments

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    At this rate, with such a tired team captained by a panauti captain, we won't be winning any tourney for next decade at least.

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    "Badi Badi baatein aur Vada Pav khaate"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is right.

    India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

    Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

    With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.
    Guess you will be doing bhangra tonight after greatest ever cricket team crashes out of world cup in 1st round. Maybe India should have entered two teams in this world up ;)

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    Pick three team but Pandya should play in all three.
    Such a great cricketer, talented in départements of the game.
    The biggest news has to be that he is bowling again, such a sight to see.

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    He meant 2 IPL XIs can beat every other IPL team.

    That's his world view anyway.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Any PSL team would have played far better than this 2nd class Ind first team


    Best of The Best : Tendulkar - Wasim - Gilchrist


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    Just to be clear, the statement was in reference to ODI setup.

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    Easy fame n money has gone to their heads. That's the most deluded statement I've ever come across from an international cricketer

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    Bad comment. Shouldn’t reflect the rest of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    At this rate, with such a tired team captained by a panauti captain, we won't be winning any tourney for next decade at least.
    Agreed completely.

    Our Panauti Kaptaan breaks the morale of the tema by losing the toss in every knockout game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    We don't need two teams. We only need 1 team that can win the tournament for us.
    Just feel teams need to revamp their t20 international teams every two or three years to keep things fresh. Just felt India didn't do it this time..better to have a different team and lose than the regulars..felt similar to 2003 Pakistan. Where we had guys who looked amazing on paper but had hit that proverbial wall..

    I would bring a young team to the next t20 world Cup.. drop sharma kohli Rahul jadeja shami..make pandiya captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He meant 2 IPL XIs can beat every other IPL team.

    That's his world view anyway.
    He feels he has an aura around him he said before the world cup.

    Man this is all due to Indian fans rating these mediocre cricketers.

    Just look at the overall skills of his batting and bowling you will se how average he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    He feels he has an aura around him he said before the world cup.

    Man this is all due to Indian fans rating these mediocre cricketers.

    Just look at the overall skills of his batting and bowling you will se how average he is.
    I don't know where these people even come from. Real Indian fans are on boards like these and nobody rates Pandya.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Well, they should have made sure they brought the right team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    He feels he has an aura around him he said before the world cup.

    Man this is all due to Indian fans rating these mediocre cricketers.

    Just look at the overall skills of his batting and bowling you will se how average he is.
    Only die hard pyjama league fans rate him for obvious reasons.

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    Must have left both of those teams back home then lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is right.

    India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

    Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

    With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.
    I hope you will continue to contribute in discussions

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    Cant believe that cricketing nation that produced humble legends like Kapil Dev and Sachin is now producing talentless hacks like Pandya

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    Only one thing comes to mind now "beta gharoor ka sar neechain hota Hai"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MesonK View Post
    Cant believe that cricketing nation that produced humble legends like Kapil Dev and Sachin is now producing talentless hacks like Pandya
    They've always had talentless hacks like Sehwag and Shastri


    "Tea was funtaaastic" - Abhinandan

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    What are his impressions on the Indian bench strength now. Delusional comments from a less than mediocre player in a team of chokers!

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    There are quite a few "famous" PP posters that I would love to hear from right now.

    Also if we have any psychiatrists on deck it would be great to analyze the mental gymnastics they will use once they do appear.
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    Mods - SAJ, MIG

    can we have a PP poll please.

    Which is more humiliating?

    1. India's 1st round world cup exit

    or

    2. Mamoon and other arrogant Indian fans eating humble pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Mods - SAJ, MIG

    can we have a PP poll please.

    Which is more humiliating?

    1. India's 1st round world cup exit

    or

    2. Mamoon and other arrogant Indian fans eating humble pie.
    Some joshilay fans have already disappeared from this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Mods - SAJ, MIG

    can we have a PP poll please.

    Which is more humiliating?

    1. India's 1st round world cup exit

    or

    2. Mamoon and other arrogant Indian fans eating humble pie.
    How is this related to the thread? Disappointing post from a veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    How is this related to the thread? Disappointing post from a veteran.
    How this is related to the thread is? The Opening post is a boast from an Indian player thinking how good the so called pool talent in india is compared to rest of the world. Then you get the same arrogant chesr thumping bhangra dancing fans proclaiming this is greatest team in history of cricket and sports in general.

    Arrogance as such deserves a slap in the face or humble pie.

    This was Indias world cup to host.

    They had plenty of match practice in UAE during IPL

    So they were the best prepared team on paper going into this world cup and nod humiliation.

    Mamoon, all those other Arrogant fans that like to troll on here can shut up. im sure those indian cricketers and the ones being Arrogant in media can also shut up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Just feel teams need to revamp their t20 international teams every two or three years to keep things fresh. Just felt India didn't do it this time..better to have a different team and lose than the regulars..felt similar to 2003 Pakistan. Where we had guys who looked amazing on paper but had hit that proverbial wall..

    I would bring a young team to the next t20 world Cup.. drop sharma kohli Rahul jadeja shami..make pandiya captain.
    Agreed.
    Its the same with the West Indies. They picked over the hill players such as Rampaul, Gayle, Bravo and picked some players who were just not suited for the conditions and the results are there for everyone to see.

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    Yes and lose the match with 100 runs smh

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    These overhyped Pandya bros are epitome of mediocrity.....only good for big talks with hardly any performance of note

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    These overhyped Pandya bros are epitome of mediocrity.....only good for big talks with hardly any performance of note
    Agree with this. These Pandya bros are good for nothing. Both of them are absolutely ordinary.

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    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    Wow that's bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    Yeah, saw that.

    Not sure how strong this India A side is but they are getting absolutely smoked at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    You do realize right India didnt had domestic first class season since 2019? So this temporary dip in form was expected, especially touring overseas.

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    Okay Mr. Pandya we saw what happened at the World Cup with our first choice team against a team like Pak who literally have no batting and NZ whom we’re bullying in the bilaterals.

    Better concentrate on ur batting and bowling than giving these shallow statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    Are you still following the A game by any chance? Care to read the score now?


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    8 years without a ICC trophy for this India "super team", Pandya forget about picking 2 other teams and winning competitions, please just try and focus on winning ONE competition with your team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    At their home. Even Mumbai Ranji team once smoked the one and only Shane Warne for fun in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPakistani View Post
    8 years without a ICC trophy for this India "super team", Pandya forget about picking 2 other teams and winning competitions, please just try and focus on winning ONE competition with your team.
    Think Pandya is not totally incorrect. ICC trophies are not be all and end all. Winning a test series in Australia is tougher than winning any ICC trophy. This Indian team won 2 back to back series in Australia and the last one was its B team with all main players out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    Meanwhile, a no name SA A side is at 334-3 against these Indian youngsters.
    And our A team is currently at 2/237 against them!

    Your point being?

    Btw, who decided that they're no name? You?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think Pandya is not totally incorrect. ICC trophies are not be all and end all. Winning a test series in Australia is tougher than winning any ICC trophy. This Indian team won 2 back to back series in Australia and the last one was its B team with all main players out.
    Winning in Australia is a great achievement.

    But it's not equal or bigger than winning an ICC trophy....SA have won 3 times back-to-back in AUS but they will give their arms and legs to win an ICC trophy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babeikh View Post
    Yeah, saw that.

    Not sure how strong this India A side is but they are getting absolutely smoked at the moment.
    lol, let both teams bat (and bowl) at least once on the pitch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    At their home. Even Mumbai Ranji team once smoked the one and only Shane Warne for fun in India.
    Now we are 'smoking' the same SA team at their home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    SA have won 3 times back-to-back in AUS but they will give their arms and legs to win an ICC trophy
    You can't say that with certainty. For some, winning test series and that too in Australia is above all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    Winning in Australia is a great achievement.

    But it's not equal or bigger than winning an ICC trophy....SA have won 3 times back-to-back in AUS but they will give their arms and legs to win an ICC trophy
    Lol no, this is not even close to truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    Winning in Australia is a great achievement.

    But it's not equal or bigger than winning an ICC trophy....
    Will Pakistan prefer winning a WT20 or a test series in Australia? Honest answer pls!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Will Pakistan prefer winning a WT20 or a test series in Australia? Honest answer pls!
    Lol don't be surprised if he says WT20. A lot of Pakistan fans would choose the WT20 over an Aus Test series win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Will Pakistan prefer winning a WT20 or a test series in Australia? Honest answer pls!
    world cup any day , international tournaments are the pinnacle, fans can debate all they like about which is more important for bragging rights, but if you ask a player they will tell you glory in a icc tournament over any bilaterals any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    Winning in Australia is a great achievement.

    But it's not equal or bigger than winning an ICC trophy....SA have won 3 times back-to-back in AUS but they will give their arms and legs to win an ICC trophy
    It is much tougher than winning a white ball ICC event.

    Also, the fact that India did it with their fringe players last time proves Pandya's point that India has enough bench strength. If I recall, India's bowling attack was led by Siraj (who was newbie then) and Natarajan in that Gabba game when we beat them there where they were unbeaten for 3 decades.

    The problem is this statement coming from a player who has zero goal to improve himself. But his overall statement is not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Lol don't be surprised if he says WT20. A lot of Pakistan fans would choose the WT20 over an Aus Test series win.
    As an Indian fan, I'd prefer us doing things which are we yet to do despite trying multiple times like winning a test series in SA any day trumps a win in WT20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Lol don't be surprised if he says WT20. A lot of Pakistan fans would choose the WT20 over an Aus Test series win.
    In Pakistan's case, as they have already won a WT20 so it's not that big.

    A better comparison would be WTC vs Aus series win....and I feel majority of fans would value WTC more than a bilateral win even if it's vs Aus.

    That tag of 'world champion' is very attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    world cup any day , international tournaments are the pinnacle, fans can debate all they like about which is more important for bragging rights, but if you ask a player they will tell you glory in a icc tournament over any bilaterals any day of the week.
    Ok, its your opinion. Don't present it as opinion of players too. You and I don't know them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    world cup any day , international tournaments are the pinnacle, fans can debate all they like about which is more important for bragging rights, but if you ask a player they will tell you glory in a icc tournament over any bilaterals any day of the week.
    Lol sure, keep imaging things. The 50 over world cup is definitely a prestigious tournament because of its history, but it's laughable to imagine that any player worth his salt would choose a champions trophy or a world T20 win over a Test series win in Australia. You can win the former two tournaments with some luck by your side, it's incredibly hard to win a test series in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Ok, its your opinion. Don't present it as opinion of players too. You and I don't know them.
    do not assume my friend, i am lucky enough to spend summers with a lot of county players through my line of work but thats one for another day.

    as the poster above pointed out india have managed to win against aus with their b team, yet when was the last time an ICC event was won by their A team. logically speaking that would mean its harder to win an ICC tournament, but logic seems to disappear on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Lol sure, keep imaging things. The 50 over world cup is definitely a prestigious tournament because of its history, but it's laughable to imagine that any player worth his salt would choose a champions trophy or a world T20 win over a Test series win in Australia. You can win the former two tournaments with some luck by your side, it's incredibly hard to win a test series in Australia.
    so hard India won with their reserve team, but couldnt win an icc tournament for how long with their full strenght team???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    As an Indian fan, I'd prefer us doing things which are we yet to do despite trying multiple times like winning a test series in SA any day trumps a win in WT20.
    That holds true for you and a very small part of the fan base who still value or care about test cricket the most.

    For the vast majority of fan bases, winning an ICC trophy remains the pinnacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    It is much tougher than winning a white ball ICC event.

    Also, the fact that India did it with their fringe players last time proves Pandya's point that India has enough bench strength. If I recall, India's bowling attack was led by Siraj (who was newbie then) and Natarajan in that Gabba game when we beat them there where they were unbeaten for 3 decades.

    The problem is this statement coming from a player who has zero goal to improve himself. But his overall statement is not wrong.
    Obviously winning a test series in Australia is tougher.

    But...is it more valuable than winning an ICC trophy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Lol sure, keep imaging things. The 50 over world cup is definitely a prestigious tournament because of its history, but it's laughable to imagine that any player worth his salt would choose a champions trophy or a world T20 win over a Test series win in Australia. You can win the former two tournaments with some luck by your side, it's incredibly hard to win a test series in Australia.
    That's what we like to believe as fans who still view Test cricket as the pinnacle in sport.

    But there's a reason...why a Rohit Sharma or a Trent Boult is happy to play in meaningless bilateral T20s and leagues while happily sitting out of a Test series due to 'fatigue'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    In Pakistan's case, as they have already won a WT20 so it's not that big.

    A better comparison would be WTC vs Aus series win....and I feel majority of fans would value WTC more than a bilateral win even if it's vs Aus.

    That tag of 'world champion' is very attractive.
    The WTC is a new novel experiment in Test cricket, the format will keep getting tinkered in the future. Test series in Australia, England and India against each other are the marquee events in Test cricket and winning a test series in Australia is the 2nd most difficult achievement in world cricket across all formats, only below winning a test series in India. I agree, winning the WTC is definitely a prestigious thing, but the other ICC tournaments apart from the 50 over world cup are not remotely comparable.

    Yes, cricket fans will choose any trophy that has "world champion" attached to it. Tomorrow if you create a world cup for T10 format, fans would choose that T10 world cup over test series wins in Australia or India because most cricket fans (particularly in the subcontinent) are casual low iq fans who follow the game for jingoism and nationalism and don't really understand the nuances of the game and the difficulties of formats. They would grade winning a WT20 game in Dubai over 3 hours as a more difficult and bigger achievement than winning a Test in Perth, arguably the quickest wicket in world cricket against the Australian quicks, or in Chennai or Mumbai against the Indian spinners, across 5 days, or the Headingley against Anderson and Broad.

    If the ICC creates a separate world cup for Olympics with just 5 overs, I can bet my life savings that most of our "cricket fans" would choose that world cup over a Test series win in England or India as well, just because the former is a "world cup" and the latter is just a bilateral series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    so hard India won with their reserve team, but couldnt win an icc tournament for how long with their full strenght team???
    Pakistan won the ODI world cup in '92, T20 world cup in '09 and the Champions trophy in 2017.

    Remind me the last time Pakistan won a test series in Australia? Or for that matter, drew a test in that country..

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Pakistan won the ODI world cup in '92, T20 world cup in '09 and the Champions trophy in 2017.

    Remind me the last time Pakistan won a test series in Australia? Or for that matter, drew a test in that country..
    Didn't you know all of Pak ICC wins have been a fluke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    That's what we like to believe as fans who still view Test cricket as the pinnacle in sport.

    But there's a reason...why a Rohit Sharma or a Trent Boult is happy to play in meaningless bilateral T20s and leagues while happily sitting out of a Test series due to 'fatigue'
    Well players also prioritise the IPL over international cricket, doesn't mean they value winning an IPL trophy over winning an international series.

    Players have been playing non stop cricket and it's physically impossible for them to play all matches. They'll of course prefer to play the IPL because it brings the money and therefore it's unavoidable that not all players will play all the series. Even the reason Rohit and so many players are resting from this s series is because of the upcoming overseas test series against South Africa. Ideally Rohit should have been rested in the T20 series too like Kohli, but this is Rohit's first T20 series as captain, and therefore he was always going to play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Didn't you know all of Pak ICC wins have been a fluke
    Every team needs some fluke to win an ICC tournament tbh, unless they're the great Aussies of the 2000s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    The WTC is a new novel experiment in Test cricket, the format will keep getting tinkered in the future. Test series in Australia, England and India against each other are the marquee events in Test cricket and winning a test series in Australia is the 2nd most difficult achievement in world cricket across all formats, only below winning a test series in India. I agree, winning the WTC is definitely a prestigious thing, but the other ICC tournaments apart from the 50 over world cup are not remotely comparable.

    Yes, cricket fans will choose any trophy that has "world champion" attached to it. Tomorrow if you create a world cup for T10 format, fans would choose that T10 world cup over test series wins in Australia or India because most cricket fans (particularly in the subcontinent) are casual low iq fans who follow the game for jingoism and nationalism and don't really understand the nuances of the game and the difficulties of formats. They would grade winning a WT20 game in Dubai over 3 hours as a more difficult and bigger achievement than winning a Test in Perth, arguably the quickest wicket in world cricket against the Australian quicks, or in Chennai or Mumbai against the Indian spinners, across 5 days, or the Headingley against Anderson and Broad.

    If the ICC creates a separate world cup for Olympics with just 5 overs, I can bet my life savings that most of our "cricket fans" would choose that world cup over a Test series win in England or India as well, just because the former is a "world cup" and the latter is just a bilateral series.
    There is a reason why boards take world tournaments more seriously than bilaterals. I mean you can see it through the team selections. The great WI team or great Aussie team had earned themselves the greatness by winning the world tournaments. No one would have remembered them if they had won the bilaterals and not the world tournaments. South Africa had a great team in 00s, but due to not winning a world event, they earned themselves the name of chokers.

    It also makes sense logically because in bilaterals, there is only one opposing team. That team can be going through form or fitness issues so the other team can win easily e.g. India B team won in Australia. But in world tournaments, you have to be at your best to win the tournament because there are more opposing teams and if you want to win the tournament, you have to beat at least 4 good teams. India could not win a world tournament in last few years despite having a full strength team, which shows that there is more competition in world tournaments and they are more difficult to win.

    Winning in Australia is great. As you mentioned it's second most difficult, and the most difficult is winning in India. Ok, winning in India is also great. But that is your point of view. If we observe the players and media and everything that goes around cricket, then you would know that Australians would not celebrate after winning in India like they celebrated after winning WT20 in Dubai. I have not seen any Australian mentioning that they would like to win test matches in India instead of winning the WT20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketerB94 View Post
    There is a reason why boards take world tournaments more seriously than bilaterals. I mean you can see it through the team selections. The great WI team or great Aussie team had earned themselves the greatness by winning the world tournaments. No one would have remembered them if they had won the bilaterals and not the world tournaments. South Africa had a great team in 00s, but due to not winning a world event, they earned themselves the name of chokers.
    The problem a lot of you guys do is you mix formats unnecessarily. Yes that Saffer team was considered chokers but that was in LOI cricket. In Test cricket, they're probably the 3rd or 4th greatest team ever in Test cricket history. They were remembered for their away series victories and them winning everywhere they went. That is the legacy of that great South African team.

    I can tell you with conviction that both England and Australia take Ashes selection way way more seriously than any other ICC tournament. For them, the just finished ICC tournament was just a starter, the main course is the Ashes. And I can bet my life savings that if given an option between winning only one of the trophies - the Ashes or the WT20, both teams and their fans would give up the WT20 trophy in an instant.

    The cricketing tastes and culture between Desi fans and Anglo fans is vastly different, but the problem is desi fans tend to live in an echo chamber where everyone reinforces the view that LOI cricket is better, so they assume the English and the Australians would value the same what they value.

    It also makes sense logically because in bilaterals, there is only one opposing team. That team can be going through form or fitness issues so the other team can win easily e.g. India B team won in Australia. But in world tournaments, you have to be at your best to win the tournament because there are more opposing teams and if you want to win the tournament, you have to beat at least 4 good teams. India could not win a world tournament in last few years despite having a full strength team, which shows that there is more competition in world tournaments and they are more difficult to win.
    If winning bilateral series was so easy, why is it that no asian team won a test series in Australia and South Africa for decades until recently. Pakistan has won 3-4 ICC trophies, but struggle badly everytime they tour Australia because T20 cricket is one thing, it's a lottery, but Test cricket is a different animal. A mediocre team might beat a top team in about 3/10 times in T20 cricket, but the top team will prevail 10/10 times in Test cricket because it's a longer struggle and the cream always rises to the top.

    Winning in Australia is great. As you mentioned it's second most difficult, and the most difficult is winning in India. Ok, winning in India is also great. But that is your point of view. If we observe the players and media and everything that goes around cricket, then you would know that Australians would not celebrate after winning in India like they celebrated after winning WT20 in Dubai. I have not seen any Australian mentioning that they would like to win test matches in India instead of winning the WT20.
    Justin Langer in his very first day after taking over as the Australian coach said this:

    Winning in India the ultimate: Langer

    "We’ve got a World Cup, a T20 World Cup, a couple of Ashes (in 2019 and 2021-22) – I get nervous when I start thinking about it," Langer told a media conference in Melbourne today.

    "There are some big tournaments coming up.

    "But ultimately, if I fast forward it, the Indian Test tour in about three or four years’ time, to me that’s the ultimate.

    "We will judge ourselves on whether we’re a great cricket team if we beat India in India.

    "I look back on my career, the Mount Everest moment was 2004 when we finally beat India in India.


    "We’ve got to get better at playing overseas, we become a great team if we win overseas and at home so that will be something for us to aspire to."
    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/winn...cup/2018-05-03

    Like I said, desi cricket fans live in an echo chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    The problem a lot of you guys do is you mix formats unnecessarily. Yes that Saffer team was considered chokers but that was in LOI cricket. In Test cricket, they're probably the 3rd or 4th greatest team ever in Test cricket history. They were remembered for their away series victories and them winning everywhere they went. That is the legacy of that great South African team.
    This thread was based on Pandya's comments about two more teams when he was on ODI tour. The thread got bumped after the WT20 after India's first team could not make it out of group stage. And then the Indians started chest thumping about their Australia series win while undermining world tournaments. So I don't know know is mixing up the formats here.

    I don't remember people calling the South African team calling world beaters after winning those test series everywhere. But people acknowledge that great Aussie team or WI team, because they won the world tournaments. The Australian legacy or West Indian legacy cannot be compared to South African legacy.

    I can tell you with conviction that both England and Australia take Ashes selection way way more seriously than any other ICC tournament. For them, the just finished ICC tournament was just a starter, the main course is the Ashes. And I can bet my life savings that if given an option between winning only one of the trophies - the Ashes or the WT20, both teams and their fans would give up the WT20 trophy in an instant.
    The thing is why should we compare and give players the option to win only a single trophy? I am hearing this only from Indian posters recently that if the players are given an option between so and so, then they will choose only so. Why not win both as both are important and the highest awards in the respective formats, but again I see Indian posters here mixing up the formats and compare one format's highest award with another. The Ashes is more about history and emotional involvement from fans, just like Indo-pak games. That is why we will see high level of preparations for these series. But you are delusional if you think that India in Australia or England is the same as The Ashes.

    The cricketing tastes and culture between Desi fans and Anglo fans is vastly different, but the problem is desi fans tend to live in an echo chamber where everyone reinforces the view that LOI cricket is better, so they assume the English and the Australians would value the same what they value.
    Yes, you are right but just forgot to add that they value every format. The LOI world tournaments are as important for them as test matches. They do not have this "desi" mentality of mixing up the formats and do these hypothetical comparisons about if we have choice between so and so, then we will give up so. They will give the same or more efforts for winning a LOI world tournament that they give in test matches everywhere.

    If winning bilateral series was so easy, why is it that no asian team won a test series in Australia and South Africa for decades until recently. Pakistan has won 3-4 ICC trophies, but struggle badly everytime they tour Australia because T20 cricket is one thing, it's a lottery, but Test cricket is a different animal. A mediocre team might beat a top team in about 3/10 times in T20 cricket, but the top team will prevail 10/10 times in Test cricket because it's a longer struggle and the cream always rises to the top.
    Ahan, please enlighten me how many test matches Australia or England won against Pakistan in UAE? In test matches, a lot of team avail a full home advantage. Australia makes fast pitches, NZ makes green swing pitches, India makes spin wickets. Again in the bilaterals, it's a competition between 2 teams. In a world tournament, it's a competition between multiple good teams. I mean how hard is it to understand the obvious that the competition in a world tournament will be tougher. And no, I am not going to mix up the formats here, lets talk about the WTC final. 2 finalist teams, neutral venue, fair enough. And the world beater team in this format whose B team won the supposed 2nd most tougher series in Australia (the toughest one is supposedly their home series I think?) could not win against New Zealand in the most important match at a neutral venue? I'd like to write your words in bold now "A mediocre team might beat a top team in about 3/10 times in T20 cricket, but the top team will prevail 10/10 times in Test cricket because it's a longer struggle and the cream always rises to the top."

    Justin Langer in his very first day after taking over as the Australian coach said this:

    Winning in India the ultimate: Langer


    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/winn...cup/2018-05-03

    Like I said, desi cricket fans live in an echo chamber.
    Langer has said a lot of things about winning in WT20, that does not mean that I start searching all those articles and quote them here. Everyone has seen their celebrations, the Australian fans celebrations and the appreciation the team got. I don't think that they will celebrate like that if they win a test series in India. I have not seen them celebrate like that even after winning an Ashes series. Because every world tournament in every format matters to them and they are not obsessed giving up their world tournament trophy to win a test series at a particular venue. I have not seen anyone saying these things other than the "desi" fans

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