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    [VIDEO] Taliban say they want peace, will respect women's rights under Islamic law

    First ever Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid's press conference:

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    KABUL: The Taliban held their first official news conference in Kabul on Tuesday since the shock seizure of the city, declaring they wanted peaceful relations with other countries and would respect the rights of women within the framework of Islamic law.

    "We don't want any internal or external enemies," the movement's main spokesperson, Zabihullah Mujahid, said.

    Mujahid said women would be allowed to work and study and "will be very active in society but within the framework of Islam".

    The Taliban would not seek retribution against former soldiers and members of the Western-backed government, he said, adding that the movement was granting an amnesty for former Afghan government soldiers as well as contractors and translators who worked for international forces.

    "Nobody is going to harm you, nobody is going to knock on your doors," he said.

    He said private media could continue to be free and independent in Afghanistan, adding the Taliban was committed to the media within its cultural framework.

    Also read: Explainer: How did the Taliban take over Afghanistan so quickly?

    Mujahid's conciliatory tone contrasted sharply with comments by Afghan First Vice President Amrullah Saleh, who declared himself the "legitimate caretaker president" and vowed that he would not bow to Kabul's new rulers.

    The Taliban news conference came as the United States and Western allies evacuated diplomats and civilians the day after scenes of chaos at Kabul airport as Afghans desperate to flee the Taliban thronged to the terminal.

    As they rush to evacuate diplomats and civilians from Afghanistan, foreign powers are assessing how to respond to changed situation on the ground.

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the Taliban should allow all those who wanted to leave the country to depart, adding that NATO's aim was to help build a viable state in Afghanistan.

    There has been widespread criticism of the US withdrawal amid the chaotic scenes at Kabul airport. German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier said "the images of despair at Kabul airport shame the political West".

    Under a US troops withdrawal pact struck last year, the Taliban agreed not to attack foreign forces as they leave.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/2316064...er-islamic-law

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    Here is the original live video.

    Someone please translate

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    So what’s their say about 1996-2001 Taliban were they following Islamic law then too? Do they agree they mistook the interpretation then and are ‘evolved’ now?

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    Well with no real economy and looming poverty, they will need all hands on deck to turn it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWarHorse View Post
    Well with no real economy and looming poverty, they will need all hands on deck to turn it around.
    They will take a leaf out of BJP’s booklet: Religion when economy isn’t working.

    I doubt most Afghans can understand basic economic data or care about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So what’s their say about 1996-2001 Taliban were they following Islamic law then too? Do they agree they mistook the interpretation then and are ‘evolved’ now?
    Followed this on BBC News earlier, their spokesmen literally said: ""Our country is a Muslim nation, whether it was 20 years ago, or if it is now" Mujahid says.

    "But when it comes to experience and maturity and vision, of course there is a huge difference between us now and 20 years ago.

    "There is a difference to the actions we are going to take. This has been an evolutionary process."

    The proof will be based on their actions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneManShow View Post
    Followed this on BBC News earlier, their spokesmen literally said: ""Our country is a Muslim nation, whether it was 20 years ago, or if it is now" Mujahid says.

    "But when it comes to experience and maturity and vision, of course there is a huge difference between us now and 20 years ago.

    "There is a difference to the actions we are going to take. This has been an evolutionary process."

    The proof will be based on their actions though.
    Thanks.. thats an epic start honestly.

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    You can't successfully rule Afghanistan and the country side without widespread public support. In this regard Afghanistan being ruled by the Taliban is good. I hope they rule with maturity this time and do not repeat past mistakes.

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    If you take Sharia law out of Taliban manual, then Taliban will be no different to Ashraf Ghani Government.

    Taliban with their statements are trying to be something that they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneManShow View Post
    Followed this on BBC News earlier, their spokesmen literally said: ""Our country is a Muslim nation, whether it was 20 years ago, or if it is now" Mujahid says.

    "But when it comes to experience and maturity and vision, of course there is a huge difference between us now and 20 years ago.

    "There is a difference to the actions we are going to take. This has been an evolutionary process."

    The proof will be based on their actions though.
    Islamic law does not change based on the maturity levels of Taliban. What a joke. Unless the Taliban spokes person meant that they will not execute horrific punishments in Public where press can get the photographs and videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guna View Post
    If you take Sharia law out of Taliban manual, then Taliban will be no different to Ashraf Ghani Government.

    Taliban with their statements are trying to be something that they are not.
    Minus kidnapper pedophiles, drug smugglers and rampant corruption of Puppets.



    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47861444

    Zabiullah put a special emphasis on drug ban in press conference above.

    They have already publicly hung convicted pedophiles.
    (No info regarding Taliban corruption/bribes practices, so far)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Here is the original live video.

    Someone please translate
    A few of the key points he talks about are,

    1 - We want peace in Afghanistan and we want a peaceful relationship with rest of the world.

    2 - We entered Kabul fully knowing that it was densely populated area where people have their businesses, govt offices, hospitals, banks etc, and hence we did not want to sabotage anyone's life or cause damage to infrastructure.

    3 - (The most important one), we will NOT allow anyone to use our soil and our land to cause any proxy war into any other country. We will not let anyone to use our land to cause unrest in any other country (This was directed to India).

    4 - We assure this to our next door neighbors that our soil will not be used to destabilize your country. (This was assurance to Pakistan). And we look forward towards a cooperative and friendly relationship with you.

    5 - Women topic is important. We assure that our govt is bound to give women all their rights within the boundary lines set up our creator. Those rights of sisters and our mothers, that are given by Islamic guidance will be provided. Women are an imperative part of our society. And they have an important role in many, many aspects of society. Within the Islamic guidance, women will be encouraged to work, take on jobs, get education, pursue their careers in various academia, and professions. Women will be play an active role with us.
    If anyone has doubts, we assure them that this is our plan and we will try our best to act upon it. However, Islamic boundaries will be our guidance and we would not like to go outside of it.
    I am sure, our women, who are also Muslims would want to live a modest life under Islamic guidance.

    This was up to 15:53.

    I didn't watch the rest yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by guna View Post
    If you take Sharia law out of Taliban manual, then Taliban will be no different to Ashraf Ghani Government.

    Taliban with their statements are trying to be something that they are not.
    Russia has said it was surprised, like many other nations, by the lighting speed with which the Taliban seized control of the country even as U.S. forces were still trying to evacuate American citizens.

    Speaking to Moscow's Ekho Moskvy radio station, Zhirnov said he had been impressed by the Taliban's conduct so far, describing their approach as "good, positive and business-like."

    "The situation is peaceful and good and everything has calmed down in the city. The situation in Kabul now under the Taliban is better than it was under (President) Ashraf Ghani," said Zhirnov.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia...ni-2021-08-16/

    Russians are right, you're wrong. Taliban is very much different, the puppets were paid so caused all sorts of violence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    A few of the key points he talks about are,

    1 - We want peace in Afghanistan and we want a peaceful relationship with rest of the world.

    2 - We entered Kabul fully knowing that it was densely populated area where people have their businesses, govt offices, hospitals, banks etc, and hence we did not want to sabotage anyone's life or cause damage to infrastructure.

    3 - (The most important one), we will NOT allow anyone to use our soil and our land to cause any proxy war into any other country. We will not let anyone to use our land to cause unrest in any other country (This was directed to India).

    4 - We assure this to our next door neighbors that our soil will not be used to destabilize your country. (This was assurance to Pakistan). And we look forward towards a cooperative and friendly relationship with you.

    5 - Women topic is important. We assure that our govt is bound to give women all their rights within the boundary lines set up our creator. Those rights of sisters and our mothers, that are given by Islamic guidance will be provided. Women are an imperative part of our society. And they have an important role in many, many aspects of society. Within the Islamic guidance, women will be encouraged to work, take on jobs, get education, pursue their careers in various academia, and professions. Women will be play an active role with us.
    If anyone has doubts, we assure them that this is our plan and we will try our best to act upon it. However, Islamic boundaries will be our guidance and we would not like to go outside of it.
    I am sure, our women, who are also Muslims would want to live a modest life under Islamic guidance.

    This was up to 15:53.

    I didn't watch the rest yet
    grazie mille!!

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    I find the reaction to the Taliban taking power very inconsistent among many people...

    Some were anti the original invasion, spoke about cultural imperialism and occupation by the Americans, were constantly stating the Americans needed to leave, were happy when they did leave, and are cool with the Taliban retaking power...this is a consistent position...

    Then you have those who moaned about the initial invasion, moaned about cultural imperialism and occupation by the Americans, stated the Americans needed to leave, then complained when they did leave and are now moaning about the Taliban...”think about the women”...

    This second camp of which there are many are so contradictory with their ideas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    I find the reaction to the Taliban taking power very inconsistent among many people...

    Some were anti the original invasion, spoke about cultural imperialism and occupation by the Americans, were constantly stating the Americans needed to leave, were happy when they did leave, and are cool with the Taliban retaking power...this is a consistent position...

    Then you have those who moaned about the initial invasion, moaned about cultural imperialism and occupation by the Americans, stated the Americans needed to leave, then complained when they did leave and are now moaning about the Taliban...”think about the women”...

    This second camp of which there are many are so contradictory with their ideas...
    Confusing times.

    In the end, the future actions of Taliban regarding terrorism, governance, economy and women will determine their legacy. So far, as Zabiullah Mujahid has said in the press conference, they have "evolved" from 20 years ago.

    BTW, how is the weather in Tel Av- I mean London?

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    No violence just fun times.



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    How long before they do something stupid and get bombed back to hell? I give it 3 years max.

    Can’t expect savages to function in the 21st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No violence just fun times.

    These little teddy bears are totally harmless when they do not have a Gun in their hands. This is such a heartwarming video.

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    Regarding women rights, women have to wear abaya covering hair and head and ears I think, and I haven't seen anyone complaining there about needing freedom. It's overblown.

    I stopped taking the news seriously especially on the social media after the selective censorship of tweets and trends supporting Palestinians and condemning Israel a few months back.

    Media edits the stuff and presents like it wants the stuff to be seen rather than telling about it as it is. So take everything with a huge grain of salt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    How long before they do something stupid and get bombed back to hell? I give it 3 years max.

    Can’t expect savages to function in the 21st century.
    Its unlikely they will do anything. Many of the problems were caused by foreign fighters who had set up camp after the soviet war.

    They have all been killed/removed and I doubt the Taliban will make the same mistake again.

    We will hopefully see a stable Afghanistan and peace will come in time. A woman having to wear a shawl on her head is a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things. Hopefully as they mature further they will let people make religious decisions on an individual level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guna View Post
    These little teddy bears are totally harmless when they do not have a Gun in their hands. This is such a heartwarming video.
    Guns are needed for self defence. Or did you hope they would lay down and die because youd like secularism imposed on them. Its best the secularists sort their own lands out, instead of facing humiliation abroad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    How long before they do something stupid and get bombed back to hell? I give it 3 years max.

    Can’t expect savages to function in the 21st century.
    Supporting bombing of people to hell but calling others savages?

    For the record Afg Taliban have never attacked any other nation. They asked for evidence of 911 planned from their land & were told we will bomb you.


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    doubt it.

    Shariah of 1996 and shariah of 2021 is different?

    I highly doubt Taiban would back off from there draconian laws, right now its just topi drama by them because history shows there thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So what’s their say about 1996-2001 Taliban were they following Islamic law then too? Do they agree they mistook the interpretation then and are ‘evolved’ now?
    Evolution is a process. Did you know the goras didnt allow women to vote about 100 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Supporting bombing of people to hell but calling others savages?

    For the record Afg Taliban have never attacked any other nation. They asked for evidence of 911 planned from their land & were told we will bomb you.
    No need to humanize the Taliban, they are savages not people. Unless of course you subscribe to their jihadi ideology…

    Forget other nations, they oppress their own people specially. It’s clear you don’t think of them and their rights.

    As for other nations, you can bet if they had the capability to they would be spreading the Islamic emirate beyond Afghanistan. What’s stopping them is not their lack of desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Evolution is a process. Did you know the goras didnt allow women to vote about 100 years ago?
    Ofcourse I did, so you are saying Taliban are yet to enter 20th century?

    Also lets not forget even if they were not allowed to vote still white women made remarkable progress in 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So what’s their say about 1996-2001 Taliban were they following Islamic law then too? Do they agree they mistook the interpretation then and are ‘evolved’ now?
    Lets live in the present! Past is behind us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    doubt it.

    Shariah of 1996 and shariah of 2021 is different?

    I highly doubt Taiban would back off from there draconian laws, right now its just topi drama by them because history shows there thinking.
    What an amazing topi drama then from them, as foreign female journalists are there as well freely reporting. As I told you before, live in the present, not in the past. I would trust the words of Taliban leaders in this press conference, than those people in India or US creating fear mongering in the media.

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    People need to realize that currently foreign reporters are working in Afghanistan, freely (CNN Reporter). Women are working, female doctors are working, girls going to school and University. Minority leaders are met by them and told they are safe to carry out their daily activities. Please have a look at some pictures and reports coming out of RT news or TRT news for this.

    So if that is the case, why is western and Indian media flasely portraying the opposite for local women? Talk about present, not about 1996. This Taliban is totally different from those days.

    The discourse on Afghanistan at the moment is informed by an assumption that violence inflicted by white armies (US & NATO) is always civilizing, whereas the violence of the native is always degenerative. I am concluding this as no one stood up for women and minority rights when US bombed the hell out of some villages, with 1000s of innocent women dead. All of the sudden, some so called "rights group" are stepping up to inform us how unfair Taliban is, when they were all silent for 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    No need to humanize the Taliban, they are savages not people. Unless of course you subscribe to their jihadi ideology…
    They have a right to self defence. Or do only secularists have this right?

    Forget other nations, they oppress their own people specially. It’s clear you don’t think of them and their rights.

    As for other nations, you can bet if they had the capability to they would be spreading the Islamic emirate beyond Afghanistan. What’s stopping them is not their lack of desire.
    Im not into betting. I prefer evidence & there is none to suggest this at all. In fact while being occupied by 40 nations they never planned attacked in those invading nations.

    You are calling for bombing people to hell. How can you call others savages? lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Evolution is a process. Did you know the goras didnt allow women to vote about 100 years ago?
    And where is this evolution when we talk about voting ppp or pmln in pakistan?

    Than the history of those parties are dragged upon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    No need to humanize the Taliban, they are savages not people. Unless of course you subscribe to their jihadi ideology…

    Forget other nations, they oppress their own people specially. It’s clear you don’t think of them and their rights.

    As for other nations, you can bet if they had the capability to they would be spreading the Islamic emirate beyond Afghanistan. What’s stopping them is not their lack of desire.
    In ancient times of earliest written history, when Romans started their early conquests of the less established Northern Europe...

    In Northern Europe (present day France, Germany etc.)... Romans used to raid the scattered settlements, pillage, capture local tribes-women / children as slaves and kill all the men.

    These tribes weren't organized, didn't have modern weapons and were totally clueless against the Roman battle formation and shields. Each "war" was a one sided massacre of the 'barbarian' by the 'civilized' Roman...

    The suffering, the death and humiliation lasted centuries. At times "barbarians" were forced to sell their Children for food. Such was the misery.

    Until, these people started to organize and were finally able to defend themselves against the invaders.

    This was probably the first time in human history when a well established empire Ancient Rome used propaganda to dehumanize an external enemy and labeled them as Barbarian animals...

    Please listen to first few minutes of this fascinating podcast:



    Who were the real Barbarians? Is it fair to call the forest people minding their business who were run over by thousands of well armed Romans the barbarians?

    ---

    I can't help but smirk when people get triggered at anything which remotely 'humanizes' Taliban.

    These are a bunch of penniless mountain people who have had a long list of warlords, kings/queens, generals, presidents and terrorist villains impose uncalled for violence on them, since forever.

    Yet, when these people pick up arms to defend their children, only valuable thing they possess, they are immediately labeled as the 'barbarians'.

    We have mobile phones and internet; otherwise imagine kind of lies the 'global empire' would feed us.

    The narrative is consistently getting shattered. 20 years of useless violence has achieved zilch, except misery and death...

    The Afghans have cheered the Taliban and have pelted stones at the Western puppet ANA... there is video evidence of this undeniable fact.
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    Taliban very obviously need to work on there image and PR to become a recognised gov. and not a designated terroist group, only fools will fall for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    Taliban very obviously need to work on there image and PR to become a recognised gov. and not a designated terroist group, only fools will fall for it.
    I don’t think they stand a chance.

    No matter WHAT do they achieve in improving peace in Afghanistan and no matter what level of corruption they bring it down from the top and no matter what kind of justice n equality they are able to provide to the general public, they will ALWAYS be villains for the western media and its propaganda machine. (Otherwise unki dukaan band ho jaeygi - they’ve gotta sell SOMETHING to the dumb public in order to stay in business)

    Every single blip happening even in the remote tribal areas of the country will be triple magnified to go after the Talibans and blame them for it.

    Talibans or no one else can EVER make ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, to become a utopia.

    Every county has almost all the problems you can think of at different level of intensity.

    Child molesters, pedophilia, human rights abuse, physical, mental, and social abuse of women rights, wife beaters, rapists, killers, thieves, crooks — I mean you name it, and every single country in the world, has it.

    I think it all boils down to how much improvement can Taliban bring to a country that has been continuously hovering on the NUMBER 1 spot of the list of most corrupt countries in the world with severe human right abuse of women in the last two decades when Talibans were NOT in power.
    What they have inherited is a true mess. Let’s see what do they make of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Evolution is a process. Did you know the goras didnt allow women to vote about 100 years ago?
    Evolution takes centuries to materialize. You can't change perception of people in a matter of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    They have a right to self defence. Or do only secularists have this right?



    Im not into betting. I prefer evidence & there is none to suggest this at all. In fact while being occupied by 40 nations they never planned attacked in those invading nations.

    You are calling for bombing people to hell. How can you call others savages? lol
    Yes terrorists like Taliban have a right to self defense, it just usually doesn’t end well for the terrorists. Taliban live a life blinded by religion so any death and destruction to them over the past however many decades is also viewed through the rosy glasses of martyrdom. Don’t let the recent run into Kabul fool you.

    The evidence is in the belief system you share with them. Is not within the vision of Islam to spread the Islamic caliphate as far and wide as possible? Do you think the Taliban would be satisfied with just ruling Afghanistan, would they not make a run at Iran, Pakistan, Uzbekistan is they didn’t know that they would be decimated by those armies in a matter of days?

    Instead of trying to shame me for calling for the bombing of terrorists, you should explain your affiliation and admiration for the Taliban…a brutal, savage, barbaric terrorist group that murders and oppresses it’s citizens. Care to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    In ancient times of earliest written history, when Romans started their early conquests of the less established Northern Europe...

    In Northern Europe (present day France, Germany etc.)... Romans used to raid the scattered settlements, pillage, capture local tribes-women / children as slaves and kill all the men.

    These tribes weren't organized, didn't have modern weapons and were totally clueless against the Roman battle formation and shields. Each "war" was a one sided massacre of the 'barbarian' by the 'civilized' Roman...

    The suffering, the death and humiliation lasted centuries. At times "barbarians" were forced to sell their Children for food. Such was the misery.

    Until, these people started to organize and were finally able to defend themselves against the invaders.

    This was probably the first time in human history when a well established empire Ancient Rome used propaganda to dehumanize an external enemy and labeled them as Barbarian animals...

    Please listen to first few minutes of this fascinating podcast:



    Who were the real Barbarians? Is it fair to call the forest people minding their business who were run over by thousands of well armed Romans the barbarians?

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    I can't help but smirk when people get triggered at anything which remotely 'humanizes' Taliban.

    These are a bunch of penniless mountain people who have had a long list of warlords, kings/queens, generals, presidents and terrorist villains impose uncalled for violence on them, since forever.

    Yet, when these people pick up arms to defend their children, only valuable thing they possess, they are immediately labeled as the 'barbarians'.

    We have mobile phones and internet; otherwise imagine kind of lies the 'global empire' would feed us.

    The narrative is consistently getting shattered. 20 years of useless violence has achieved zilch, except misery and death...

    The Afghans have cheered the Taliban and have pelted stones at the Western puppet ANA... there is video evidence of this undeniable fact.
    I do not excuse the savagery of prior civilizations just because they happen to be western or European or white. Evil is evil, period.

    However, it is also difficult for me to excuse the Taliban for taking up arms and demanding the implementation of shariah law in the 21st century. This is not Ancient Rome. The world has advanced and people, including the mountain people that make up the Taliban have options. Not easy ones, but better ones than establishing an Islamic emirate that survives on the spread of fear and violence among its citizens. That fear is why you might see cheering on the sidelines in Kabul (I’ve yet to see this btw). What’s the other option…get your head cut off next Friday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    Yes terrorists like Taliban have a right to self defense, it just usually doesn’t end well for the terrorists. Taliban live a life blinded by religion so any death and destruction to them over the past however many decades is also viewed through the rosy glasses of martyrdom. Don’t let the recent run into Kabul fool you.

    The evidence is in the belief system you share with them. Is not within the vision of Islam to spread the Islamic caliphate as far and wide as possible? Do you think the Taliban would be satisfied with just ruling Afghanistan, would they not make a run at Iran, Pakistan, Uzbekistan is they didn’t know that they would be decimated by those armies in a matter of days?
    Taliban have said their territory will not be used to attack any other nation. They have said they want good relations with other countries.


    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    Instead of trying to shame me for calling for the bombing of terrorists, you should explain your affiliation and admiration for the Taliban…a brutal, savage, barbaric terrorist group that murders and oppresses it’s citizens. Care to?
    In Afghanistan the former government was filled with warlords, rapists, drug barons, who are just as barbaric as the Taliban. They were thugs, with no legitimacy, which is why no one fought with them.

    The choice in Afghanistan was not Taliban vs a Switzerland style democracy. Secular thugs are not better than religious thugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    Yes terrorists like Taliban have a right to self defense, it just usually doesn’t end well for the terrorists. Taliban live a life blinded by religion
    I see this actually fits better on the RSS/BJP/Modi/Adityanath ideology.

    The evidence is in the belief system you share with them. Is not within the vision of Islam to spread the Islamic caliphate as far and wide as possible?
    Do you think the Taliban would be satisfied with just ruling Afghanistan, would they not make a run at Iran, Pakistan, Uzbekistan is they didn’t know that they would be decimated by those armies in a matter of days?
    No. Last time they sent their commanders in Indian Occupied Kashmir. And I think they will do the same with the help n support of ISI. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong

    Instead of trying to shame me for calling for the bombing of terrorists, you should explain your affiliation and admiration for the Taliban…a brutal, savage, barbaric terrorist group that murders and oppresses it’s citizens. Care to?
    If “bombing the hell out of them” is your solution then go ahead, send your armed forces to Afghanistan.
    Now don’t get your pants wet. Get up n go get ‘em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Taliban have said their territory will not be used to attack any other nation. They have said they want good relations with other countries.




    In Afghanistan the former government was filled with warlords, rapists, drug barons, who are just as barbaric as the Taliban. They were thugs, with no legitimacy, which is why no one fought with them.

    The choice in Afghanistan was not Taliban vs a Switzerland style democracy. Secular thugs are not better than religious thugs.
    And you are going to take the Taliban's word on face value? For what reason would trust what a terrorist organization says? What countries can/would want to have "good relations" with a barbaric regime that lives in 600 AD?

    The former government was probably all of what you describe. However, the solution to that is not for terrorists to overrun the capital and institute shariah law which is barbaric and outdated by several hundred years in terms of any relevance or applicability.

    What is your rationale for defending the Taliban? I'd love to hear from you, KKWC or others that hold this viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    I see this actually fits better on the RSS/BJP/Modi/Adityanath ideology.



    No. Last time they sent their commanders in Indian Occupied Kashmir. And I think they will do the same with the help n support of ISI. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong



    If “bombing the hell out of them” is your solution then go ahead, send your armed forces to Afghanistan.
    Now don’t get your pants wet. Get up n go get ‘em!
    I didn't get your RSS/BJP whatever point. In case you are wondering, no I am not Indian.

    What was your point about Taliban going to IOK? Even if that were true, what objective did it achieve? The Indian army is still brutalizing Kashmir, and whatever Talibans went to IOK probably died a dog's death.

    I am not a member of any armed forces and therefore cannot bomb anyone. However, you seem to share ideologies with the Taliban, I take it you are posting from Kabul or Kandahar and living the life you preach in the Islamic Emirate, instead of enjoying your freedom and liberties in a democracy?

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    The leaders of the Taliban will show themselves to the world with "no shadow of secrecy", a senior official told news agency Reuters.

    It is in direct contrast to the past 20 years, when its leaders lived largely in hiding.

    We're seeing some signs of their new direction - on Tuesday for example, spokesman Zabihullah Majahid showed up at the Taliban's first news conference since the takeover. Journalists were shocked to see the face of a man who had for years operated only in the shadows.

    The senior official also told Reuters that Taliban members had been ordered not to celebrate their recent sweep of the country, and added that civilians should hand over weapons and ammunition.


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    Taliban have been guided well by the regional powers. There is a convergence of interest for them in Afghanistan and so far Taliban have acted professionally far exceeding the expectations of many.

    An important point to note is that the lower level leadership and foot soldiers of Taliban are mostly under 30. They are fond of taking selfies and maintaining their social media profiles while a 47 rests on their shoulders of course. There is hope that this new generation of Taliban owing to their global awareness will be more considerate than their predecessors. Anyhow, the regional powers won't rely on hope alone and will make sure to keep Taliban in line so that there can be lasting peace in the region. So far, the Taliban have been off to a flying start !

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    Moderate Taliban is an oxymoron

    India is on a wait and watch mode on Afghanistan as its approach towards the Taliban ruled Kabul will depend on the relationship of Sunni Pashtun group with Pakistan and Pakistan based terrorist groups like Jaish-e-Mohammad and Tehreek-e-Taliban.


    Delivering a lecture a month after 9/11 attacks, Jaswant Singh, then external affairs minister in Atal Bihari Vajpayee's cabinet, described a moderate Taliban an oxymoron. Two decades later, after US and allied forces literally ran away from Afghanistan leaving Kabul to the mercy of ultra conservative UN designated terrorist group, the debate has again started on moderate Taliban after its spokesperson promised to fully implement more than a 1000-year-old Islamic Sharia code under the new Emirates of Afghanistan.
    The assurances of the Taliban spokesperson are hardly of any value to Afghanistan watchers as the Sunni Pashtun group was planning a pincer attack on Kabul while talking about a so-called negotiated settlement in Doha, Qatar. Fact is that the Taliban, under the smokescreen of talks, was allowed to make a fool out of Americans (all thanks to Zalmay Khalilzad) and the Sunni group is in no mood to share spoils of its victory with anyone.


    When the Taliban last captured Kabul in 1996, there was a power vacuum in Afghanistan with the Soviets running away with their tails firmly tucked between their legs and the West led by the US in retreat mode as their objective had been achieved. The situation on August 15, 2021 was no different. Only this time the US ran away from Kabul and so did its appointee Ashraf Ghani and anti-US forces like China, Russia, Iran and Turkey are all breathing a sigh of relief as America is no longer patrolling their backyard.

    However, what has changed is that the Taliban, after showing tremendous resilience and motivation for two decades, have come out much stronger this time with even north Afghanistan under its control and powers like China and Russia unilaterally offering to smoke the peace pipe. Of course, the principal role of Pakistani deep state and Taliban Deobandi ideological brothers like Jaish-e-Mohammad and Tehreek-e-Taliban cannot be forgotten in nourishing the Sunni terrorist group. All the talk of the Afghan led-Afghan owned peace process has been consigned to the pathetic dustbin of history.

    Women from Takhar province sit inside her tent in a public park in Kabul.
    Hours after vowing to 'honour women's rights', Taliban kill woman in Takhar

    With a force of over 75,000 hardline cadre and top of the line US weapons surrendered by pusillanimous 300,000 Afghan Army personnel, the Taliban are really not looking for recognition from the democratic world as they now have territory to rule and enforce the Islamic law. Last time, mother Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE recognised the Taliban, this time the number led by China, Russia, Iran and Turkey will be much higher.

    Under the circumstances, India is in no hurry to take a position on Taliban even if the US is looking for an excuse of a negotiated settlement to recognise the radicalised Sunni force. After all, the US invaded Afghanistan to get rid of Al-Qaeda led by Osama bin Laden not the Taliban. And withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan was first proposed by Democrat President Barack Obama in his 2011 way forward speech with the support of his then Vice President Joe Biden.

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    Their country and rules. I have no love for the Taliban at all nor how they live. Ultimately, they are sons of the soil who have every right to live and rule however they want. Unlike most countries they don't give a damn about economy or money. Enough countries like Pakistan, China and Russia will recognise them for Afghanistan to limp along one way or another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    And you are going to take the Taliban's word on face value? For what reason would trust what a terrorist organization says? What countries can/would want to have "good relations" with a barbaric regime that lives in 600 AD?
    Well its more hope that trusting them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post
    The former government was probably all of what you describe. However, the solution to that is not for terrorists to overrun the capital and institute shariah law which is barbaric and outdated by several hundred years in terms of any relevance or applicability.
    Sharia was already the law in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. And it will be the law now in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. The majority of people there want sharia law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Third_Umpire View Post

    What is your rationale for defending the Taliban? I'd love to hear from you, KKWC or others that hold this viewpoint.
    The Afghan government had given India many consulates which Pakistan government believed were being used to create terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan lost 70k people since 2001. Now that the Afghan Taliban have taken over, those consulates are gone. So that's pretty much the only reason for me. I have no love for the Taliban, and i would not want them or people with their viewpoint in power in Pakistan.

    I also have no ill will towards the Afghan people, so if the Taliban govern properly, and modernize a bit, that would be good for them. However if the choice is between a Pakistani mother crying, and an Afghan mother, I rather it be the Afghan mother.

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    Afghanistan: Taliban execute police chief despite promising not to seek retribution

    "A horrifying video of the Taliban carrying out an execution on an Afghan police chief is in direct conflict with their promise to keep the peace and not seek retribution.

    Haji Mullah Achakzai, who served in the Afghan Armed Forces, was employed as the police chief of the Badghis province near the city of Herat when he was captured by the Taliban.

    Mr Achakzai was being hunted by the Taliban due to the way he stood up to the militant group and fought them alongside the Afghan army.

    The execution video, posted to Twitter by a friend of Mr Achakzai on Thursday, showed the police chief kneeling in the sand with his eyes blindfolded and his hands tied in front of him.

    He is surrounded by Taliban soldiers who then shoot him several times and leave his body lying in the sand.

    The video was shared through a Taliban-related network and obtained by Afghan security adviser Nasser Waziri.

    “He was surrounded by the Taliban and had no choice but to surrender last night,” Mr Waziri told Newseek.

    “The Taliban targeted Achakzai because he was a high-ranking intelligence official.”

    Mr Waziri, who also worked for the Afghan government before it was overthrown by the Taliban on Sunday, said he too feared for his life.

    ...... "

    Article continued here --

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    To those who claim "tALIBAn haVE beCOME beTTEr nOW, lOOK at tHEIr prESS sTATEmentS foR prOOF" ... their actions speak louder than their words, as we all know.

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    He used to fight the Talibans. So, they took him out.

    Same way how many governments execute their adversaries.


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    The Taliban won't be any better, they will remain hardcore militants, that is how they have survived a 20 year war if we stop to think about it. Their retribution is typical of jihadi outfits. But of course the person who was executed will have ensured deaths of probably hundreds in the Taliban fold by providing intelligence to foreign forces, so we need to keep some perspective.


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    Achakzai tribe is very anti taliban, very anti pakistan and a lot are afghan fascists one was general raziq , the other his brother general tadin who escaped to India.

    Pakistan also has its achakzai troublemaker that fat bald one mahmood khan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The Taliban won't be any better, they will remain hardcore militants, that is how they have survived a 20 year war if we stop to think about it. Their retribution is typical of jihadi outfits. But of course the person who was executed will have ensured deaths of probably hundreds in the Taliban fold by providing intelligence to foreign forces, so we need to keep some perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    He used to fight the Talibans. So, they took him out.

    Same way how many governments execute their adversaries.
    Valid points. If these are the case then I would happily accept that my inference is not accurate in this specific issue.

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    Gentlemen - Just to clarify ... my inference is not about this specific issue (justifying whether or not they must murder this individual). But it is about how much they (Taliban) can actually keep their claims.

    They had claimed there will be no retribution killings and were mentioning about pardoning everyone. This action is in direct conflict with their claims in the press. My inference/question is extrapolating this conflict between claim and actions to other similar claims by the Taliban as well.

    If we have valid data points that can support that they will walk their talk, then I'm happy to stand corrected. This can take time I guess. But as it stands from this one data point, they are not walking their talk - not backing up their claims with their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang View Post
    Gentlemen - Just to clarify ... my inference is not about this specific issue (justifying whether or not they must murder this individual). But it is about how much they (Taliban) can actually keep their claims.

    They had claimed there will be no retribution killings and were mentioning about pardoning everyone. This action is in direct conflict with their claims in the press. My inference/question is extrapolating this conflict between claim and actions to other similar claims by the Taliban as well.

    If we have valid data points that can support that they will walk their talk, then I'm happy to stand corrected. This can take time I guess. But as it stands from this one data point, they are not walking their talk - not backing up their claims with their actions.
    Walking the walk or talking the talk is not even the real issue here. Would a mature leadership even indulge in such acts of revenge? I would proffer probably not. This is still a militia first and foremost, not a responsible govt.

    I will reserve judgement until they are properly established and see where it goes. We know they are good at making war. What we need to see is if they have any ideas about establishing peace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Walking the walk or talking the talk is not even the real issue here. Would a mature leadership even indulge in such acts of revenge? I would proffer probably not. This is still a militia first and foremost, not a responsible govt.

    I will reserve judgement until they are properly established and see where it goes. We know they are good at making war. What we need to see is if they have any ideas about establishing peace.
    I concur and hence also my point. I doubt if they can coalesce into a unified governance entity in the first place. Given how factious and a loose group of many stakeholders they do seem to be, I doubt if they will ever have the ability to "walk their talk" even after all the dust settles down.

    A Taliban leader may even have genuine intentions while making tall claims in a press meet (I personally doubt it, but that is besides the point). But he will not be able to exert control or have a say in what a local commander in a small town outside Kandahar chooses to do.

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    Female journalist Behesta Arghand who made history by interviewing Taliban leader flees Afghanistan

    Behesta Arghand added another feather to her cap by interviewing Malala Yousafzai, the activist who survived a Taliban assassination attempt. Arghand said she will return to her home country if the situation becomes better.


    An Afghan female journalist, who made headlines by interviewing a member of the Taliban, has left the country. Behesta Arghand worked for Tolo News.

    ‘Don’t be scared’: Afghan TV anchor relays Taliban message surrounded by armed fighters

    Her big break came when Arghand interviewed a senior Taliban member on August 17, days after the insurgent group seized power. She asked the leader questions about door-to-door searches in capital Kabul and the group's plans for the future. The interview was historic, considering she was the first female journalist to interview a Taliban leader on Afghan news network.

    The images from the interview quickly gained traction on social media and 24-year-old Arghand became a star. Such an interview was impossible more than two decades ago when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan.

    But now, Arghand had to flee her home country because of the "fear of Taliban". Arghand told CNN that she worked at Tolo News for "one month and 20 days, then the Taliban came".

    Arghand hopes to return to her home country if the Taliban do what they have promised and the situation becomes better.

    Saad Mohseni, the chief executive of Moby Group, which owns Tolo News, said hailed the interview vowing not to stop its important work. But now, he is facing the problem of mass exodus of journalists.

    "Almost all our well known reporters and journalists have left. We have been working like crazy to replace them with new people," he told CNN.

    Arghand, meanwhile, added another feather to her cap by interviewing Malala Yousafzai, the activist who survived a Taliban assassination attempt. Tolo News said this was the first time Yousafzai had ever been interviewed on Afghan television.

    The Taliban launched the offensive to capture Afghanistan in the wake of the withdrawal of US forces from the country, and accomplished the mission in a few weeks by ousting the civilian government led by President Ashraf Ghani. Since then, massive evacuation missions have been launched by countries across the world to take their citizen's out of the war-torn country. Countless Afghans too have crowded Kabul airport to find a flight out, and scores have died in desperation.

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    If Afghans wish to live under a savage militia or a bunch of corrupt warlords, that's on them. Either way it's not like Afghanistan was a haven of womens' rights pre-Taliban. It's just another pathetic excuse from interventionists to justify continuing a futile war.

    Society can only be changed from the inside, not from outsiders through the barrel of a gun.

    For Afghanistan's sake, I hope Taliban 2.0 realise governing like they did in the 1990s is a nonstarter given the world is even more interconnected now and their wartorn economy desperately needs international funds. Their overtures to Shias is promising but time will tell.

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    Senior Taliban leader Anas Haqqani said it was time for the Taliban to “forgive” the past and rebuild and reunite Afghanistan.

    Haqqani's - the youngest son of Haqqani Network founder, Jalaluddin Haqqani - comment came in response to a question asked during an interview with TRT wherein he was inquired about "willing to forgive" despite losing four brothers in attacks carried out by the US, being held captive by the Americans and Afghan government.

    Haqqani said, "In the last two decades lots of people like me suffered from the war and torture by the US forces and the previous Afghan government."

    "They put me in prison for almost five years. I spent nearly four years of it alone in a single room and suffered quite a bit. I was tortured psychologically."

    However, he added that, "I know bad things have happened in the past, but now we have an opportunity to rebuild and reunite."

    In response to a question regarding Daesh, he said that 90 per cent of Afghanistan's problems had been resolved, saying the group will deal with those who create groups like Daesh just like they dealt with the rest.

    "Still there are countries that don't want to end the war in Afghanistan. This is why they create groups such as Daesh or others to try to prolong their proxy war," he added.

    "They may attack or try to create fear [but] we'll deal with that just like we dealt with the bigger problem of ending the invasion."

    "Efforts are underway to form a new government and cabinet. I am very optimistic that everything will be in place," he added.

    He further stated that, "Those inducted into the cabinet will be leaders capable of serving the people. The names aren't yet finalised. But I am sure we will have a positive outcome in the days to come.

    According to the Taliban leader, all of Afghanistan's miseries and problems were somehow connected to foreign interference.

    "If you read the history, whether it be the Soviet Union or the US, whoever has invaded Afghanistan has created problems. They bring challenges and problems along with their invasion."

    The Taliban leader added that, "They have their own agendas and [they] try to implement them by any possible means."

    He said he played his due role for the people and focused on peace talks. "The head of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan declared general amnesty. We must put the past behind," Haqqani observed.

    "The prejudice injected into people's mind during all these years needs to be removed," he added.

    In an apparent reference to the native Afghans, he said, "They should realise we are their brothers,"

    "Now, if I see my enemies, I cannot possibly act against them," Anas concluded.

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    Female journalist flees Afghanistan following groundbreaking TV interview with Taliban spokesman

    Ultimately, she said, "I left the country because, like millions of people, I fear the Taliban."

    Saad Mohseni, the owner of TOLO, said Arghand's case is emblematic of the situation in Afghanistan.

    "Almost all our well known reporters and journalists have left," Mohseni said on CNN's Reliable Sources Sunday. "We have been working like crazy to replace them with new people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/media...tan/index.html

    Female journalist flees Afghanistan following groundbreaking TV interview with Taliban spokesman

    Ultimately, she said, "I left the country because, like millions of people, I fear the Taliban."

    Saad Mohseni, the owner of TOLO, said Arghand's case is emblematic of the situation in Afghanistan.

    "Almost all our well known reporters and journalists have left," Mohseni said on CNN's Reliable Sources Sunday. "We have been working like crazy to replace them with new people."

    @WhenSultansBowled
    This is the logical decision. In a country where a minister leaves his job and expects a better life delivering pizza in Germany, what else can be expected?

    It is a mix of economic desperation and of course fear of Talibán.

    That said, good luck to her and hopefully she will make most out of her "Malala moment".

    This program was aired last week:


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    This is the logical decision. In a country where a minister leaves his job and expects a better life delivering pizza in Germany, what else can be expected?

    It is a mix of economic desperation and of course fear of Talibán.

    That said, good luck to her and hopefully she will make most out of her "Malala moment".

    This program was aired last week:

    Its unfortunate you are ridiculing Malala but again I’m sure you live in west as well..

    Just to remind that TTP is an enemy of Pakistan as well…

    Irrespective agree on other points, safety is a big thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Its unfortunate you are ridiculing Malala but again I’m sure you live in west as well..

    Just to remind that TTP is an enemy of Pakistan as well…

    Irrespective agree on other points, safety is a big thing.
    You know very exactly what I am talking about.

    I am not ridiculing Malala. She is a hustler and in a way I respect her (and her father's) intelligence. They made the best out of a terrorist attack. But there were so many other little girls murdered / being murdered by terrorists. If these girls were to survive and become a propaganda mouthpiece, I'd say the same thing about them. This topic has been discussed to death at PP.

    Irrespective agree on other points, safety is a big thing.
    As I said, this is the logical decision. Same as that Afghan Diplomat's daughter who was supposedly kidnapped and beaten by "Pakistan communist goons" She is in Germany living la vida loca.
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    University classes resume in Afghanistan with a 'curtain of separation'

    Taliban have promised a more "inclusive" government that represents Afghanistan's complex ethnic makeup, but women's condition is unlikely to change. They have issued diktat saying women attending universities must wear an abaya robe and niqab.

    A local news agency in Afghanistan reported on Monday that university classes started in the country but with a "curtain of separation". A photo posted on Twitter by Aamaj News shows male and female students sitting in a class room with curtains between them.

    This is a result of education policy outline given by the Taliban, now in power in Afghanistan, through their diktats. Taliban have said in many interviews that they have no issue with women education "but they should study with a hijab".

    In a lengthy order issued on Saturday, the Taliban ordered women attending private Afghan universities to wear an abaya robe and niqab covering most of the face. They also said that classes must be segregated by sex - or at least divided by a curtain.

    The Taliban diktat said that female students should only be taught by other women, but if that was not possible then "old men" of good character could fill in.

    Women must also end their lesson five minutes earlier than men to stop them from mingling outside, the Taliban order further said.

    The decree, said Taliban, applies to private colleges and universities, which have mushroomed since their first rule ended in 2001.

    During that period, girls and women were mostly excluded from education because of rules regarding same-sex classrooms and the insistence they had to be accompanied by a male relative whenever they left the house.

    The Taliban have assured of a moderate and includive government this time and have issued statements in a bid to build confidence. But on the ground, situation hasn't changed much.

    On Saturday, a pregnant Afghan policewoman Banu Nigara was shot dead by Taliban fighters in front of her husband and children at her home in Firozkoh, local media reported. “Nigara a police officer was shot dead infront of her kids and husband last night at 10PM in Ghor province. Nigara was 6 months pregnant, she was shot dead by the Taliban,” leading Afghan journalist Bilal Sarwary tweeted on Sunday citing her family members.

    The Taliban have, however, denied they were involved in the killing of Nigara.

    Colleges and higher education institutions opened in Afghanistan on Monday after remaining closed for months, first due to coronavirus disease (Covid-19) and later because of chaos in the war-torn country.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...er-Islamic-law

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    In reality Taliban are basically Iranian Ayatollahs with their own beliefs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMB View Post
    University classes resume in Afghanistan with a 'curtain of separation'

    Taliban have promised a more "inclusive" government that represents Afghanistan's complex ethnic makeup, but women's condition is unlikely to change. They have issued diktat saying women attending universities must wear an abaya robe and niqab.

    A local news agency in Afghanistan reported on Monday that university classes started in the country but with a "curtain of separation". A photo posted on Twitter by Aamaj News shows male and female students sitting in a class room with curtains between them.

    This is a result of education policy outline given by the Taliban, now in power in Afghanistan, through their diktats. Taliban have said in many interviews that they have no issue with women education "but they should study with a hijab".

    In a lengthy order issued on Saturday, the Taliban ordered women attending private Afghan universities to wear an abaya robe and niqab covering most of the face. They also said that classes must be segregated by sex - or at least divided by a curtain.

    The Taliban diktat said that female students should only be taught by other women, but if that was not possible then "old men" of good character could fill in.

    Women must also end their lesson five minutes earlier than men to stop them from mingling outside, the Taliban order further said.

    The decree, said Taliban, applies to private colleges and universities, which have mushroomed since their first rule ended in 2001.

    During that period, girls and women were mostly excluded from education because of rules regarding same-sex classrooms and the insistence they had to be accompanied by a male relative whenever they left the house.

    The Taliban have assured of a moderate and includive government this time and have issued statements in a bid to build confidence. But on the ground, situation hasn't changed much.

    On Saturday, a pregnant Afghan policewoman Banu Nigara was shot dead by Taliban fighters in front of her husband and children at her home in Firozkoh, local media reported. “Nigara a police officer was shot dead infront of her kids and husband last night at 10PM in Ghor province. Nigara was 6 months pregnant, she was shot dead by the Taliban,” leading Afghan journalist Bilal Sarwary tweeted on Sunday citing her family members.

    The Taliban have, however, denied they were involved in the killing of Nigara.

    Colleges and higher education institutions opened in Afghanistan on Monday after remaining closed for months, first due to coronavirus disease (Covid-19) and later because of chaos in the war-torn country.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...er-Islamic-law
    The "curtain" mentioned in the article above:



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    Women's rights, Islamic law. Pick one.

    Alright, I'm being a little facetious, but any rights that women have from a book are going to be very limited. Especially if that book is the central doctrine of an Abrahamic religion.
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    Women in Afghanistan can continue to study in universities, including at the postgraduate level, but classrooms will be gender-segregated and head coverings will be compulsory.

    Higher Education Minister Abdul Baqi Haqqani laid out the new policies at a news conference on Sunday, a day after the Taliban raised their flag over the presidential palace, signalling the start of work of the new, all-male government announced last week.

    The Taliban’s rise has stoked fears the group would turn back to the draconian rule that defined its first stint in power in Afghanistan 20 years ago. That included the denial of education for girls and women, as well as their exclusion from public life.

    “We will start building on what exists today,” Haqqani said, maintaining the Taliban’s position that its attitudes, particularly towards women, have shifted in the past 20 years.

    The most recent statement comes as the group has sought international legitimacy following its lightning-fast offensive across the country as the United States prepared to withdraw troops by an August 31 deadline. The Taliban took Kabul on August 15.

    Despite the Taliban’s posturing, women have been banned from sports and the Taliban has used violence in recent days against female protesters demanding equal rights.

    ‘Will not allow co-education’

    On Sunday, Haqqani said female university students will face restrictions that include a compulsory dress code. He said hijabs will be mandatory but did not specify if this meant compulsory headscarves or also compulsory face coverings.

    Gender segregation will also be enforced, he said. “We will not allow boys and girls to study together,” he said. “We will not allow co-education.”

    He said female students would be taught by women wherever possible. “Thanks to God we have a high number of women teachers. We will not face any problems in this. All efforts will be made to find and provide women teachers for female students,” he said.

    Haqqani said the subjects being taught would also be reviewed.

    While he did not elaborate, he said he wanted graduates of Afghanistan’s universities to be competitive with university graduates in the region and the rest of the world.

    The Taliban, which subscribes to a strict and distinct interpretation of Islam, banned music and art during its previous time in power.

    This time around, television has remained and news channels still show women presenters, but the Taliban messaging has been erratic.

    In an interview on Afghanistan’s popular TOLO News, Taliban spokesman Syed Zekrullah Hashmi said women should give birth and raise children, and while the Taliban has not ruled out eventual participation of women in government, the spokesman said, “It’s not necessary that women be in the cabinet.”

    The new higher education policy signals a change from the accepted practice before the Taliban takeover. Universities were co-ed, with men and women studying side by side, and female students did not have to abide by a dress code.

    However, the vast majority of female university students opted to wear headscarves in line with religious, personal and cultural preferences.

    In elementary and high schools, boys and girls were taught separately before the Taliban came to power.

    On Saturday, a group, apparently made up of women students in black robes that covered them completely from head to foot, demonstrated in Kabul in support of the rules on dress and separate classrooms.

    Haqqani said where no women teachers were available special measures would be adopted to ensure separation.

    “When there is really a need, men can also teach [women] but in accordance with sharia, they should observe the veil,” he said. Classrooms would be curtained off to divide male and female students where necessary and teaching could also be done through streaming or closed circuit TV.

    Classrooms divided by curtains have already been seen in many places since the Western-backed government collapse and the Taliban seized Kabul last month.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...d-universities


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    On Saturday, a group, apparently made up of women students in black robes that covered them completely from head to foot, demonstrated in Kabul in support of the rules on dress and separate classrooms.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...d-universities


    Translation: International media is only reporting what suits its purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubs View Post
    Women's rights, Islamic law. Pick one.

    Alright, I'm being a little facetious, but any rights that women have from a book are going to be very limited. Especially if that book is the central doctrine of an Abrahamic religion.
    We have been brought up in the west, our ideas are probably quite foreign to people in the east with their foreign culture. Ideally we'd bring them all over here and within a couple of generations perhaps they would adopt our more modern thinking.


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    Another video of the seminar held in Kabul uni:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    We have been brought up in the west, our ideas are probably quite foreign to people in the east with their foreign culture. Ideally we'd bring them all over here and within a couple of generations perhaps they would adopt our more modern thinking.
    Don't mistake my point for Western supremacy. It just so happens that Western nations (and some Eastern ones, like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and China to an extent) happen to be objectively better than theocracies when it comes to women's rights.

    But, my point didn't even refer to the West. It was simply that you can't govern a nation via a literal interpretation of an archaic text, and expect it to allow for women's rights.

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    Women who used to worlk at Kabul Airport have started coming back to their jobs:



    Slowly and steadily!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubs View Post
    Don't mistake my point for Western supremacy. It just so happens that Western nations (and some Eastern ones, like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and China to an extent) happen to be objectively better than theocracies when it comes to women's rights.

    But, my point didn't even refer to the West. It was simply that you can't govern a nation via a literal interpretation of an archaic text, and expect it to allow for women's rights.
    Not really my point, if the west is superior in many regards, there's not really much to argue about. Is anyone going to dispute that western plumbing or cable management systems are better than you would find in Calcutta or Tripoli?

    In reality though, our pontification about women's rights in Kabul or China, or Phillipines means jack to people over there who have neither our history, nor our development cycle. We might as well be speaking a foreign language to them. I think this type of lecturing is meant more for self gratification rather than to make a genuine difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Not really my point, if the west is superior in many regards, there's not really much to argue about. Is anyone going to dispute that western plumbing or cable management systems are better than you would find in Calcutta or Tripoli?

    In reality though, our pontification about women's rights in Kabul or China, or Phillipines means jack to people over there who have neither our history, nor our development cycle. We might as well be speaking a foreign language to them. I think this type of lecturing is meant more for self gratification rather than to make a genuine difference.
    Okay, if you think saying 'don't lash a woman for talking to a man on the phone' is for 'self[sic]gratification', then that is your issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubs View Post
    Okay, if you think saying 'don't lash a woman for talking to a man on the phone' is for 'self[sic]gratification', then that is your issue.
    It might be an issue if I think that, but I don't, they are all your words so no issue for me at all. Try taking your theories about archaic religious text over to Afghanistan and see how well they resonate with the people over there. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong and it will all go swimmingly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    It might be an issue if I think that, but I don't, they are all your words so no issue for me at all. Try taking your theories about archaic religious text over to Afghanistan and see how well they resonate with the people over there. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong and it will all go swimmingly.
    Did I say anything about anyone intervening? I am simply saying that their comment about respecting women's rights under Islamic law was an oxymoron.

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    Yet another rally held by women in support of IEA! This time in Nimruz province (South)!



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    The propaganda attacking Taliban as if they despise women only a very stupid person would accept.

    People in this land have seen invasions after invasions, having women kidnapped , raped over centuries. Leave them alone for 50 years and they will develop.


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    ‘Women should give birth and raise children, not be included in cabinet,’ Taliban spox.

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