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    Taliban ban women's sport amid fears that cricketers will expose their faces

    Taliban ban women's sport amid fears that cricketers will expose their faces

    Move may result in men's cricket team losing Test status

    Women will not be allowed to play cricket or any other sport in Afghanistan, the Taliban has confirmed.

    The deputy head of the Taliban's cultural commission, Ahmadullah Wasiq, claimed that cricket is not "necessary" for women and that playing sport would risk "exposing" their face and bodies, in an interview with Australian broadcaster SBS News.

    "I don't think women will be allowed to play cricket because it is not necessary that women should play cricket," Mr Wasiq said.

    "In cricket, they might face a situation where their face and body will not be covered. Islam does not allow women to be seen like this.

    "It is the media era, and there will be photos and videos, and then people watch it. Islam and the Islamic Emirate do not allow women to play cricket or play the kind of sports where they get exposed."

    Twenty-five female cricketers were awarded contracts by Afghanistan's Cricket Board in November last year and it is thought the board has continued to pay the players, though the BBC reported last week that members of the team are in hiding in Kabul due to safety concerns.

    The International Cricket Council requires all 12 of its full members to have a national women's team. Only full members of the ICC are permitted to play Test matches. Currently the Afghanistan men's team are due to compete at the T20 World Cup next month, and also have a Test in Hobart against Australia in November.

    Asked about the potential for the ICC to call off the Test match in Australia, Mr Wasiq said the Taliban would not compromise on its position to ban women from taking part in sport.

    "Even for this, if we face challenges and problems, we have fought for our religion so that Islam is to be followed. We will not cross Islamic values even if it carries opposite reactions. We will not leave our Islamic rules," he said.

    "In cricket and other sports, women will not get an Islamic dress code. It is obvious that they will get exposed and will not follow the dress code, and Islam does not allow that."

    Dan Tehan, Australia's trade minister, described the decision by the Taliban to ban female athletes from playing sports as "incredibly, incredibly disappointing".

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/20...icketers-will/

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    Taliban ban women's sport amid fears that cricketers will expose their faces

    so what disturbs you more?

    Women getting ignored again
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    that men's cricket team losing Test status?

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    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...08-p58q19.html

    Senior Govt minister here in Oz calls for the Afghan test to be cancelled in protest of the Taliban. regime.

    A different more junior minister, "Mr Colbeck, the Minister for Sport, on Wednesday said he urged the ICC to “take a stand against this appalling ruling” by the Taliban." (regarding the abolition of womens sport under Taliban)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMB View Post
    so what disturbs you more?

    Women getting ignored again
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    that men's cricket team losing Test status?
    It's a very difficult one to assess and I suppose there are no right answers here.

    As a big supporter of women's cricket, I absolutely detest the fact that the Taliban have disbanded the women's team.

    However, if the men's team is boycotted by the rest of the world, cricket will probably die out in Afghanistan, which will serve no purpose whatsoever. I'd rather other countries keep playing the Afghanistan men's team in the hope (forlorn perhaps) that things might change in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    It's a very difficult one to assess and I suppose there are no right answers here.

    As a big supporter of women's cricket, I absolutely detest the fact that the Taliban have disbanded the women's team.

    However, if the men's team is boycotted by the rest of the world, cricket will probably die out in Afghanistan, which will serve no purpose whatsoever. I'd rather other countries keep playing the Afghanistan men's team in the hope (forlorn perhaps) that things might change in the future.
    This tbh.

    We can't change Taliban. Let's keep cricket alive for future generations of Afghans who hopefully will join us again under banner of shared humanity in future. Banning then from icc will serve no practical purpose.

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    As I said before, they should play under the banner of ICC just like IOC did with Russia for this Olympics

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    As disgusting as this move by the Taliban is, it isn't in any way surprising. But the biggest question is, what have the cricketers of Afghanistan done to deserve this?

    Sanction the regime, why are you sanctioning the cricket team?

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    ICC:

    "The ICC is committed to the long-term growth of women’s cricket and despite the cultural and religious challenges in Afghanistan, steady progress had been made in this area since Afghanistan’s admission as a full member in 2017."

    "The ICC has been monitoring the changing situation in Afghanistan and is concerned to note recent media reports that women will no longer be allowed to play cricket.

    "This and the impact it will have on the continued development of the game will be discussed by the ICC board at its next meeting."



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    Knowing ICC, there will be an eventual ban on the ACB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Knowing ICC, there will be an eventual ban on the ACB.
    While the Talibanís act is deplorable (but what else can anyone expect from them!), what will be gained by banning the menís team in retaliation? The people who will suffer the most by such ban will be the male cricketers who arenít at fault here.

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    There is no point in playing sports with that country. ICC and other sports bodies should ban them. Wish they have done the same to China in Olympics.

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    Unfortunate.
    Hopefully the women can still play as a pass time and Menís sport doesnít get affected.

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    Afghanistan vs Australia Test match is all set to be cancelled after the Taliban government opposing Women to play cricket.

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    I think the ICC should allow the Afghan women cricket team to play in exile, they should form a separate Afghan Womens Cricket Board based somewhere in London or Dubai. The ICC and all member boards should fund it.


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    If the PCB is smart, they will look to integrate the Afghanistan players in Pakistan Domestic Cricket and get them to play for Pakistan Internationally

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    There goes the Australia test then.

    "Cricket Australia will cancel Afghanistan Test if women excluded from sport"


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    While the Talibanís act is deplorable (but what else can anyone expect from them!), what will be gained by banning the menís team in retaliation? The people who will suffer the most by such ban will be the male cricketers who arenít at fault here.
    I'm sure there were plenty of South African cricketers and cricket lovers who weren't fans of apartheid. Doesn't mean that the ban on playing SA in the 70's and 80's wasn't justified.

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    Statement from Cricket Australia

    Driving the growth of women’s cricket globally is incredibly important to Cricket Australia. Our vision for cricket is that it is a sport for all and we support the game unequivocally for women at every level.

    If recent media reports that women’s cricket will not be supported in Afghanistan are substantiated, Cricket Australia would have no alternative but to not host Afghanistan for the proposed Test Match due to be played in Hobart.

    We thank the Australian and Tasmanian Governments for their support on this important issue.


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    Stick to cricket only posts here, all political comments will be deleted.

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    CA was anyway just looking for an excuse to cancel the Test. Now they got an opportunity to do it and look woke at same time.

    Feel bad for Afg women's cricket but if any bans are to be placed on Afg men's team it is ICC's role to do so and not CA's


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    If the Talib's are great Cricket lovers like they claim to be then the ladies have nothing to fear. If the Talib's want to prove they have changed and improve the image of their war torn country then here is the perfect opportunity to do just that.


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    Stick to cricket ONLY or to Womens sports in Afghanistan only

    The wider political/religious issues are for TPS only. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    If the Talib's are great Cricket lovers like they claim to be then the ladies have nothing to fear. If the Talib's want to prove they have changed and improve the image of their war torn country then here is the perfect opportunity to do just that.
    There's absolutely no chance of taliban allowing women's cricket to go on.
    All this improve image thing is rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unleashed View Post
    There's absolutely no chance of taliban allowing women's cricket to go on.
    All this improve image thing is **.
    In that case the only people suffering is them. Don't blame the world then for calling them backward.


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    The interesting thing is whether the ICC will allow Afghanistan's men team to play international cricket. Won't be surprised if they put them under a blanket ban too. Let's see.

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    Good decision. Afghan players can make money around t20 leagues like most of the windies players and Iím pretty sure most of them are not interested in playing Test cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unleashed View Post
    The interesting thing is whether the ICC will allow Afghanistan's men team to play international cricket. Won't be surprised if they put them under a blanket ban too. Let's see.
    Every full member must have a womens team. Afganistan will not remain a test team according to the icc rules.

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    Terrific decision by Australian cricket board. They have the balls to make such stiff decision and prove their point. Wish Indian Board had the same balls to abandon their matches vs Afghanistan.

    Banning cricket for Women is a ridiculous decision and this shouldn't be allowed under the presence of leading boards in the world. The sports is for all and one must look forward to driving the growth of sports equally for both men and women.

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    Not having a women's team bc of financial constraints is fine but straight-up banning it is pathetic so kudos to Australia for making this decision and hopefully Afghanistan get rusticated from ICC as well.

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    Women with scarfs and loose shirts are being allowed on streets, universities and as news-reporters, including on the televised local News outlets like Tolo, etc.

    Its a surprise women cricket team is not allowed with similar dressing. I would suggest them that they submit proposal of longer shirts till knees or a proposal that women's game may not be televised/photographed.

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    Couldnít care less about Afghan cricket, and Iím indifferent to womenís cricket, but Iím tired of this political rubbish being brought in every time a nations doesnít want to play against a particular side!

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    Anyways, any reaction to not support men's cricket due to this move is absurd. How about we also boycott all cricket with all teams who do not support disabled cricket? Or what if tomorrow there's a push for a team for intersex or transgenders, will boards also boycott cricket with anyone not having such teams?

    For well over 100 years, cricket has been almost entirely a male sport. Most boards for well over a century did not support or recognise a women's team. Till 1993, only four teams had ever participated in the Women's WC! Yet there was no boycott of its male cricket because its just absurd thinking.


    Yes one male team, South Africa, had an issue of public Apartheid, and hence their male team was also boycotted, that was understandable. This is a strange reaction to not facilitate the male team, especially one which is a inspiring story of refugee sport turning into a world-class team.

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    Sucks for the players but i agree with the stance of CA.

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    Agree with Taliban here.

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    Icc should bad afghanistan cricket. CA made a very good decision here


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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    Anyways, any reaction to not support men's cricket due to this move is absurd. How about we also boycott all cricket with all teams who do not support disabled cricket? Or what if tomorrow there's a push for a team for intersex or transgenders, will boards also boycott cricket with anyone not having such teams?

    For well over 100 years, cricket has been almost entirely a male sport. Most boards for well over a century did not support or recognise a women's team. Till 1993, only four teams had ever participated in the Women's WC! Yet there was no boycott of its male cricket because its just absurd thinking.


    Yes one male team, South Africa, had an issue of public Apartheid, and hence their male team was also boycotted, that was understandable. This is a strange reaction to not facilitate the male team, especially one which is a inspiring story of refugee sport turning into a world-class team.
    ??? What has women cricket got to do with transgeder and intersex? This is quite absurd post.

    If women are part of something and they are being stopped than action needs to be taken that the govt feels it.

    The taliban govt's men cricket team should be banned if they dont allow a womens team to play.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    Why should PCB be listening to this?
    Becoz Pak govt. has welcomed the new regime, so they must tell Talibanis to allow women cricket as they also do even after being an Islamic country else even Afghan men's team will also be banned or countries will start to boycott them and cricket will be the loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    ??? What has women cricket got to do with transgeder and intersex? This is quite absurd post.

    If women are part of something and they are being stopped than action needs to be taken that the govt feels it.

    The taliban govt's men cricket team should be banned if they dont allow a womens team to play.
    They will be eventually boycotted by those nations who support women's cricket and their rights even if ICC doesnt ban them. However, ICC will ban them in first place as Cricket Australia has made a move.

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    Some post's are so laughable that they might go to extent of blaming Australia for not allowing Afghan women's team to play as according to them Aus didnt want to play Afghanistan men's team so they are using this as an excuse. And some posts are so misogynistic. Aus has set a precedent that if u dont respect women's right and freedom then u have no place in a civilised world. Time for other cricket boards who respect women and their rights, to boycott Taliban controlled Afghan team.

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    Why ban the Test only? Why not boycott Afghanistan from International cricket as a whole?

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    The superficiality of Australia's rhetoric is evident by the fact that while supposedly making these decisions in the name of Afghan women, they have not actually spoken to or consulted with a single Afghan woman cricketer. Just btw mates, 20 were contracted last year.

    Which tells you exactly how serious Australia are about any of this. They are simply trying to milk an opportunity to project themselves a certain way and don't care about Afghan women or Afghan women's cricket the slightest bit.
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    Good move by CA and a very good statement. This might pressurise the Taliban to start living up to their promise of being a different regime than previous.

    To all those who say I don't care about Women's cricket are just trying to remain aloof from what is a key fundamental right to live.

    Afghan women supported cricket and were playing. If it was ok for Afghan people then, it should be ok now.

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    That one Test against Afghanistan is such a major loss from a financial perspective. ACB will do anything to evade it somehow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    That one Test against Afghanistan is such a major loss from a financial perspective. ACB will do anything to evade it somehow
    Feels genuine sympathy for Afghan women's cricket to me but frankly I don't know reasons, just concerned about what will happen to those cricketers.
    Especially those who had just begun to see their dreams come true. Telling a passionate cricketer that sorry, you cannot play is like destroying their career foever. This is worth taking a knee for.

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    No team should ever play cricket with Afghanistan again. I am glad that Pakistan Afghanistan series got cancelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    No team should ever play cricket with Afghanistan again. I am glad that Pakistan Afghanistan series got cancelled.
    the right wish is that Taliban should allow women's cricket.

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    Quite absurd to link men and women teams in that way. ICC is a sports body, not a women rights organization. Leave social and cultural change fights for relevant international organizations/governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    No team should ever play cricket with Afghanistan again. I am glad that Pakistan Afghanistan series got cancelled.
    Why though? It’s not the ACB’s fault they are run by an extremist/misogynistic Government.

    If that’s the case then why does everyone play India knowing they are run by a fascist, racist government right now?

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    Cricket needs to ban all Afghan teams but also any overseas player - including a certain former Pakistan skipper - who expresses any degree of support or even acceptance for them. And any country whose government assists a Taliban regime.

    The international community - including the sporting community - needs to ostracise and exclude any person or entity providing the slightest support for them.

    Which also means that any links discovered between the Pakistan government and the Taliban should also trigger Pakistan’s expulsion - not suspension, but permanent expulsion - from international cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Cricket needs to ban all Afghan teams but also any overseas player - including a certain former Pakistan skipper - who expresses any degree of support or even acceptance for them. And any country whose government assists a Taliban regime.

    The international community - including the sporting community - needs to ostracise and exclude any person or entity providing the slightest support for them.

    Which also means that any links discovered between the Pakistan government and the Taliban should also trigger Pakistan’s expulsion - not suspension, but permanent expulsion - from international cricket.
    Might need to start with England first given Boris' recent comments.
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    Why are people blaming ACB here and calling Australian govt misogynist?

    Looks like most here are still not ready to blame Taliban for caging women in 21st century but somehow finding Australian govt extremist.

    Australian govt extremist for what? For refusing to play cricket against a country that deprives women of their freedom?

    I am a big supporter of Afghan cricket and always supported their progress. BCCI themselves helped Afghan cricket a lot. But I hope no more help/bilateral cricket as long as Taliban rules there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Cricket needs to ban all Afghan teams but also any overseas player - including a certain former Pakistan skipper - who expresses any degree of support or even acceptance for them. And any country whose government assists a Taliban regime.

    The international community - including the sporting community - needs to ostracise and exclude any person or entity providing the slightest support for them.

    Which also means that any links discovered between the Pakistan government and the Taliban should also trigger Pakistan’s expulsion - not suspension, but permanent expulsion - from international cricket.
    The British and USA governments seem as equally if not more complicit to Talibans return to power than Pakistan.

    Can you confirm if you are also calling for the removal of England from the ICC members committee. Shall we also stop the development of the game in USA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    As disgusting as this move by the Taliban is, it isn't in any way surprising. But the biggest question is, what have the cricketers of Afghanistan done to deserve this?

    Sanction the regime, why are you sanctioning the cricket team?
    South African sports teams were banned for apartheid. Werenít they?

    In fact Afghanistan only has a menís cricket team, SA probably had top level athletes from many other sports.

    Sometimes you need to take a stand. Who knows if cricket is banned which is extremely popular, that may force either Taliban to make some changes or the people themselves ask for better reforms.

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    We all know about what is the proverbial about kutte's poonch and leopard's spots.....T 2.0 is no diff.
    they weren't evolved. Arent. Won't.
    Sad for the Afghan women. They worked hard out of their skins to get to where they are.
    Only to have their spirits crushed. By a mindset of the 13th century.
    Aus govt have a point in aksing if the Afg will play under the flag of T 2.0.
    Cricket is poorer when the Afg women will not be allowed to play.
    Hope better sense prevails.

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    I am sure the Taliban will allow a women's cricket team if 2 conditions are met:

    - the matches are not broadcast on tv
    - only a female audience is allowed to watch the game live.
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    Did Afghanistan have a fully functioning women's team? I have never seen them play.

    Banning it is unusual though.
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    If Bangladesh and Pakistan women being Islamic nations play cricket, what is Afghanistan's point? Are Taliban better/ know more about Islam to Pakistan.


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    I never liked the Afghanistan cricket team for whatever reasons but it will be very harsh and dissappointing if their Men's team is banned for no fault of their own.

    They've progressed so much, they are an exciting bunch of cricketers, don't ban them for things that are out of their control. As a cricket fan I want to see them play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM1989 View Post
    Well said.

    I am sure the Taliban will allow a women's cricket team if 2 conditions are met:

    - the matches are not broadcast on tv
    - only a female audience is allowed to watch the game live.
    Who knows?

    Women cricket in Afghanistan is irrelevant at this point of time and it is just an "ill intentioned" propaganda campaign.

    It is a sick and insulting joke. These damn news people were dead silent when Afghan women/children were getting massacred by western bombs and now suddenly their love for Afghan women's well being is awakened... what the heck?

    Afghanistan simply has bigger problems right now. Afghan women need schools and possibilities of higher education so they can get jobs and InshaAllah things will improve for whole country and women sports in general.

    Slowly and steadily. It will take time.

    I hope ICC doesn't let BCCI dictate them what to do, and they do not abandone ACB in these tough times.

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    According to ICC rules, all its full members must hace a women cricket team too. Afghanistan was granted a full membership and test status based on this condition that they will have a women team as well. Now that they will not have any women team, they will be stripped off their test status and continue to play as an associate member I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Who knows?

    Women cricket in Afghanistan is irrelevant at this point of time and it is just an "ill intentioned" propaganda campaign.

    It is a sick and insulting joke. These damn news people were dead silent when Afghan women/children were getting massacred by western bombs and now suddenly their love for Afghan women's well being is awakened... what the heck?

    Afghanistan simply has bigger problems right now. Afghan women need schools and possibilities of higher education so they can get jobs and InshaAllah things will improve for whole country and women sports in general.

    Slowly and steadily. It will take time.

    I hope ICC doesn't let BCCI dictate them what to do, and they do not abandone ACB in these tough times.
    Afganistan had a good relationship with India didn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    According to ICC rules, all its full members must hace a women cricket team too. Afghanistan was granted a full membership and test status based on this condition that they will have a women team as well. Now that they will not have any women team, they will be stripped off their test status and continue to play as an associate member I guess
    Why does ICC have such a stipulation? What if a country doesn't have the required infrastructure?

    Male team shouldn't be punished like this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Who knows?

    Women cricket in Afghanistan is irrelevant at this point of time and it is just an "ill intentioned" propaganda campaign.

    It is a sick and insulting joke. These damn news people were dead silent when Afghan women/children were getting massacred by western bombs and now suddenly their love for Afghan women's well being is awakened... what the heck?

    Afghanistan simply has bigger problems right now. Afghan women need schools and possibilities of higher education so they can get jobs and InshaAllah things will improve for whole country and women sports in general.

    Slowly and steadily. It will take time.

    I hope ICC doesn't let BCCI dictate them what to do, and they do not abandone ACB in these tough times.
    It's icc's policy that to be a full member you need a women's cricket team. So if ACB gets banned the sole blame will lie on the Talibans, not icc,bcci or anybody else. Blame the ones who are responsible and don't try to deflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    South African sports teams were banned for apartheid. Werenít they?

    In fact Afghanistan only has a menís cricket team, SA probably had top level athletes from many other sports.

    Sometimes you need to take a stand. Who knows if cricket is banned which is extremely popular, that may force either Taliban to make some changes or the people themselves ask for better reforms.
    True. But thing with this is that I highly doubt Australia's motives are anything more than superficial.

    Because if they were actually serious about this, they would have tried to talk to some Afghan women cricketers. Till last year 20 were centrally contracted. But they have made no effort to do so. Which tells me that they are exploiting this for their own selfish gains, namely projecting themselves as morally superior and the champion of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    True. But thing with this is that I highly doubt Australia's motives are anything more than superficial.

    Because if they were actually serious about this, they would have tried to talk to some Afghan women cricketers. Till last year 20 were centrally contracted. But they have made no effort to do so. Which tells me that they are exploiting this for their own selfish gains, namely projecting themselves as morally superior and the champion of women.
    Yeah.

    I also think this is superficial from Australia. They are trying to show "elite honesty" or something. LOL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Yeah.

    I also think this is superficial from Australia. They are trying to show "elite honesty" or something. LOL.
    Nah its typical western liberal superiority. They have gotten it in their heads that they believe in an ideology that is morally superior to all else. The only problem is that their actions throughout human history have been contrary to the ideas they claim to follow since they have almost always been the oppressors.

    These days its a little toned down but the sanctimonious moral superiority and shameless projection is still evident in all walks of life. Of which cricket is certainly no exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMB View Post
    Good move by CA and a very good statement. This might pressurise the Taliban to start living up to their promise of being a different regime than previous.

    To all those who say I don't care about Women's cricket are just trying to remain aloof from what is a key fundamental right to live.

    Afghan women supported cricket and were playing. If it was ok for Afghan people then, it should be ok now.
    All that will happen is that the match between Australia and Afghanistan will get called off. If Taliban didn't wilt under 20 years of bombardment from NATO then I don't think a statement from CA will make them bend.

    Not like Aussies are lining up to play matches against Afghanistan anyway, it's only one game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Nah its typical western liberal superiority. They have gotten it in their heads that they believe in an ideology that is morally superior to all else. The only problem is that their actions throughout human history have been contrary to the ideas they claim to follow since they have almost always been the oppressors.

    These days its a little toned down but the sanctimonious moral superiority and shameless projection is still evident in all walks of life. Of which cricket is certainly no exception.
    Not sure what western oppression got to do with this. Taliban wants to cage their women and ban them from playing a sport. This oppression is done by Taliban but expectedly you are shifting the blame to the west. Why no word against Taliban oppression?

    Western world follow certain principles and Black Lives Matter, anti racism, women empowerment, animal rights etc are part of it. Some of these movements are ofcourse politically motivated but these principles are being followed diligently and accepted unanimously. Caging and curbing women's freedom may be a norm in 3rd world countries even in 21st century but thats not how it works in west. Its a terrific decision by Australian board to not play cricket with a country that deprives women their freedom. I hope BCCI follows the same too.

    Cant believe we are even debating this in 2021. Sigh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Why does ICC have such a stipulation? What if a country doesn't have the required infrastructure?

    Male team shouldn't be punished like this.
    If a country doesnít have a required infrastructure and/or resources then they should NOT be a test nation to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Not sure what western oppression got to do with this. Taliban wants to cage their women and ban them from playing a sport. This oppression is done by Taliban but expectedly you are shifting the blame to the west. Why no word against Taliban oppression?

    Western world follow certain principles and Black Lives Matter, anti racism, women empowerment, animal rights etc are part of it. Some of these movements are ofcourse politically motivated but these principles are being followed diligently and accepted unanimously. Caging and curbing women's freedom may be a norm in 3rd world countries even in 21st century but thats not how it works in west. Its a terrific decision by Australian board to not play cricket with a country that deprives women their freedom. I hope BCCI follows the same too.

    Cant believe we are even debating this in 2021. Sigh..
    Who created the Taliban? Who invaded their country, funded a proxy war and enabled them to power? Who exploited the global south through colonialism and rampant racism to create a world of haves and have nots that still exists today? Who started wars all over the Middle East which led to massive refugee crisis, and then who closed their borders for the very seem people when they tried to flee war?

    The west.

    There's a reason the world is the way that it is and most of those things have the fingerprints of Western nation states led by the US. The fact that you think none of this matters shows how oblivious you are to the past and the present.

    All the west does is talk, talk, talk and talk. Besides a handful of movements like BLM that owe more to blacks and people of color than white people; all the West has done is create a massive facade of moral superiority that people are foolish enough to believe even in 2021.

    And all this would actually matter if Australia and the West actually cared about Afghan women. They don't! They are either completely oblivious of how the rest of the world works and they try to make them like themselves, or they use these agendas to prop themselves up.

    If Cricket Australia was really serious about doing something for Afghan women cricketers, don't you think they should have tried to get in touch with, oh I dunno, Afghan women cricketers!? 20 of them were centrally contracted till last year. Is it really so hard to try and talk to them and get their perspective?

    But obviously that did not happen because this is a publicity stunt that means nothing and will do absolutely nothing for Afghan women cricketers. But hey, as long as they can impress people like you, by taking yet another meaningless moral stand while doing absolutely nothing; that's what matters right?

    Also if you think that these people can be bullied and pressurized into doing something like this, than you don't know them at all.
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    I don't think it even needs to be said that the Taliban are absolute savages. I thought that much was evident. But I guess apparently not for some posters.

    But bullying them is really the worst thing Australia could have done. Because not only will it embolden the Taliban and harden their view, but above all, it is completely counter-productive to the future of women's cricket in Afghanistan and whatever chances it had.

    But hey, as long as Australia succeeded in doing their publicity stunt, that's all that matters right? Not actually talking to Afghan women cricketers, who this whole thing is actually about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Who created the Taliban? Who invaded their country, funded a proxy war and enabled them to power? Who exploited the global south through colonialism and rampant racism to create a world of haves and have nots that still exists today? Who started wars all over the Middle East which led to massive refugee crisis, and then who closed their borders for the very seem people when they tried to flee war?

    The west.

    There's a reason the world is the way that it is and most of those things have the fingerprints of Western nation states led by the US. The fact that you think none of this matters shows how oblivious you are to the past and the present.

    All the west does is talk, talk, talk and talk. Besides a handful of movements like BLM that owe more to blacks and people of color than white people; all the West has done is create a massive facade of moral superiority that people are foolish enough to believe even in 2021.

    And all this would actually matter if Australia and the West actually cared about Afghan women. They don't! They are either completely oblivious of how the rest of the world works and they try to make them like themselves, or they use these agendas to prop themselves up.

    If Cricket Australia was really serious about doing something for Afghan women cricketers, don't you think they should have tried to get in touch with, oh I dunno, Afghan women cricketers!? 20 of them were centrally contracted till last year. Is it really so hard to try and talk to them and get their perspective?

    But obviously that did not happen because this is a publicity stunt that means nothing and will do absolutely nothing for Afghan women cricketers. But hey, as long as they can impress people like you, by taking yet another meaningless moral stand while doing absolutely nothing; that's what matters right?

    Also if you think that these people can be bullied and pressurized into doing something like this, thangi you don't know them at all.
    Afghan women cricketers or any other women cricketers are to be taken care off by their respective cricketing boards. Can u imagine a scenario where BCCI will get in touch with Pak women cricketers if PCB or Pak govt. is not willing to let them play. What USA did was wrong and it did cost many human lives but to justify what Taliban is doing with this is deplorable. It saying like, he committed a crime, so did I. Hence it is justified. Two wrongs doesnt make a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Hamza View Post
    Afghan women cricketers or any other women cricketers are to be taken care off by their respective cricketing boards. Can u imagine a scenario where BCCI will get in touch with Pak women cricketers if PCB or Pak govt. is not willing to let them play. What USA did was wrong and it did cost many human lives but to justify what Taliban is doing with this is deplorable. It saying like, he committed a crime, so did I. Hence it is justified. Two wrongs doesnt make a right.
    You clearly have trouble comprehending simple words. Because never did I justify what the Taliban are doing as right. But to completely ignore how they got to this position in the first place takes a special kind of ignorance.

    Also, your justification makes zero sense since Australia already took the very serious action of threatening to sanction the Taliban. Putting your analogy in place, Can u imagine a scenario where BCCI will threaten to sanction the Pakistan and prevent them from playing international cricket if Pakistan didn't allow their women cricketers to play cricket?

    Threatening to sanction someone is far more serious than simply talking to a few citizens of that country and gettting their view before proceeding forward. Because this IS NOT about you, me, Australia or the Taliban. It is about Afghan women.

    How ironic that they are the only ones who don't have any say in this. Think about that for a second before you accuse me of justifying the Taliban's actions.

    If anything its you who is underplaying the death and destruction that America and its western partners caused for over 20 years in Afghanistan as well as the war crimes that they committed on an industrial scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Terrific decision by Australian cricket board. They have the balls to make such stiff decision and prove their point. Wish Indian Board had the same balls to abandon their matches vs Afghanistan.

    Banning cricket for Women is a ridiculous decision and this shouldn't be allowed under the presence of leading boards in the world. The sports is for all and one must look forward to driving the growth of sports equally for both men and women.
    Australians dont give a damn about women in Afghanistan. They should be tried for war crimes for their role in the country. Its just a smokescreen , following other western nations claiming they care about women , trying to move away from their defeat. Womens cricket should continue but Austarlia are only holding back Afghan mens cricket. Its the last thing Afghan cricketers need, nations not willing to play against them when their sport is going to struggle.

    Countries shouldnt involve politics with sport, it can open a can of worms. Afghan government could also say we wont play with Aus & UK as they have committed war crimes but never faced justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Who created the Taliban? Who invaded their country, funded a proxy war and enabled them to power? Who exploited the global south through colonialism and rampant racism to create a world of haves and have nots that still exists today? Who started wars all over the Middle East which led to massive refugee crisis, and then who closed their borders for the very seem people when they tried to flee war?

    The west.

    There's a reason the world is the way that it is and most of those things have the fingerprints of Western nation states led by the US. The fact that you think none of this matters shows how oblivious you are to the past and the present.

    All the west does is talk, talk, talk and talk. Besides a handful of movements like BLM that owe more to blacks and people of color than white people; all the West has done is create a massive facade of moral superiority that people are foolish enough to believe even in 2021.

    And all this would actually matter if Australia and the West actually cared about Afghan women. They don't! They are either completely oblivious of how the rest of the world works and they try to make them like themselves, or they use these agendas to prop themselves up.

    If Cricket Australia was really serious about doing something for Afghan women cricketers, don't you think they should have tried to get in touch with, oh I dunno, Afghan women cricketers!? 20 of them were centrally contracted till last year. Is it really so hard to try and talk to them and get their perspective?

    But obviously that did not happen because this is a publicity stunt that means nothing and will do absolutely nothing for Afghan women cricketers. But hey, as long as they can impress people like you, by taking yet another meaningless moral stand while doing absolutely nothing; that's what matters right?

    Also if you think that these people can be bullied and pressurized into doing something like this, than you don't know them at all.
    So still same narrative that west is bad but not a word against taliban. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds?

    Also what do you mean by who created Taliban? How does it matter? I can also say who supported Taliban the most? Its your Pakistani govt right?

    But that is not the topic of dicussion here. West may have created taliban but they have have not asked them to cage their women and curb their freedom.

    No one is pressurizing/bullying them here. Australian cricket board simply dont want to play cricket against a nation that shackles their women. It is a right stand but obviously you are just too ideologically biased to see it.

    Just hope that western teams continue to travel to Pakistan for cricket and dont get boycotted like Afghanistan. But if this support for Taliban continues from Pakistani establishment, not sure how long it will last. So enjoy as long as it does my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    So still same narrative that west is bad but not a word against taliban. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds?

    Also what do you mean by who created Taliban? How does it matter? I can also say who supported Taliban the most? Its your Pakistani govt right?

    But that is not the topic of dicussion here. West may have created taliban but they have have not asked them to cage their women and curb their freedom.

    No one is pressurizing/bullying them here. Australian cricket board simply dont want to play cricket against a nation that shackles their women. It is a right stand but obviously you are just too ideologically biased to see it.

    Just hope that western teams continue to travel to Pakistan for cricket and dont get boycotted like Afghanistan. But if this support for Taliban continues from Pakistani establishment, not sure how long it will last. So enjoy as long as it does my friend.
    If Afghanistan doesnt want to play with Australia because of war crimes, which are far far more serious than stopping women playing a sport, they are in the right to do so?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Australians dont give a damn about women in Afghanistan. They should be tried for war crimes for their role in the country. Its just a smokescreen , following other western nations claiming they care about women , trying to move away from their defeat. Womens cricket should continue but Austarlia are only holding back Afghan mens cricket. Its the last thing Afghan cricketers need, nations not willing to play against them when their sport is going to struggle.

    Countries shouldnt involve politics with sport, it can open a can of worms. Afghan government could also say we wont play with Aus & UK as they have committed war crimes but never faced justice.
    Precisely my point. Australia would actually have any credibility in all this if its soldiers weren't some of the most egregious war criminals on the planet. Eventhough the were remarkably small in number.

    If New Zealand or West Indies, said this, they would actually have two legs to stand-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Precisely my point. Australia would actually have any credibility in all this if its soldiers weren't some of the most egregious war criminals on the planet. Eventhough the were remarkably small in number.

    If New Zealand or West Indies, said this, they would actually have two legs to stand-on.
    Its pathetic after 20 years of brutality Australians have the gaul to dictate morality to anyone!

    Dont believe a word from Austalians, this is just a way for them not to play Afghan men because they think their people are superiour.

    People should use some common sense. A nation so worried about womens cricket, wouldnt then stop playing with men who also come from the same country, knowing this will only harm them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    You clearly have trouble comprehending simple words. Because never did I justify what the Taliban are doing as right. But to completely ignore how they got to this position in the first place takes a special kind of ignorance.

    Also, your justification makes zero sense since Australia already took the very serious action of threatening to sanction the Taliban. Putting your analogy in place, Can u imagine a scenario where BCCI will threaten to sanction the Pakistan and prevent them from playing international cricket if Pakistan didn't allow their women cricketers to play cricket?

    Threatening to sanction someone is far more serious than simply talking to a few citizens of that country and gettting their view before proceeding forward. Because this IS NOT about you, me, Australia or the Taliban. It is about Afghan women.

    How ironic that they are the only ones who don't have any say in this. Think about that for a second before you accuse me of justifying the Taliban's actions.

    If anything its you who is underplaying the death and destruction that America and its western partners caused for over 20 years in Afghanistan as well as the war crimes that they committed on an industrial scale.
    The Taliban govt. at that time gave shelter to Osama bin Laden and didnt accept the demand of USA of handing him over to them. These deaths could have been avoided. So it was Taliban Govt. which invited it and America dont care when its out for revenge about innocent lives. And sooner or later it will be ICC that will take a tough stance on Afghan cricket as the rules have been made by them. And everyone knows the inveitable. So even if Aus didnt have taken this stance then also Afghan cricket would have faced a bleak future due to ICC's action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    So still same narrative that west is bad but not a word against taliban. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds?

    Also what do you mean by who created Taliban? How does it matter? I can also say who supported Taliban the most? Its your Pakistani govt right?

    But that is not the topic of dicussion here. West may have created taliban but they have have not asked them to cage their women and curb their freedom.

    No one is pressurizing/bullying them here. Australian cricket board simply dont want to play cricket against a nation that shackles their women. It is a right stand but obviously you are just too ideologically biased to see it.

    Just hope that western teams continue to travel to Pakistan for cricket and dont get boycotted like Afghanistan. But if this support for Taliban continues from Pakistani establishment, not sure how long it will last. So enjoy as long as it does my friend.
    It has started, the reward for supporting Taliban has started to come. The DRS operators have refused to come to PAK for the NZ vs PAK series.

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