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    No DRS in Pakistan versus New Zealand series

    As per PCB:

    "Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

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    Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan
    Last edited by MenInG; 9th September 2021 at 22:24.

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    That's a shame. Umpires are human and can make mistakes DRS gives a chance to have mistake corrected

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    What a disgrace. Utilizing DRS will be key in any major tournament. Simply pathetic going into biggest tournament

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    Wow. This is pretty pathetic.

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    Pakistan had DRS during the SA series, why are the DRS operators unwilling to come to Pakistan all of a sudden?

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    Thats Taliban effect for u. It has started. Terrorist and Taliban sympathizers can rejoice at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Hamza View Post
    Thats Taliban effect for u. It has started. Terrorist and Taliban sympathizers can rejoice at this.
    Sick and tired of Pakistanis saying this. Don't need to be pessimistic.

    We are much prepared now to deal with them and it won't be an issue.

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    Good news, hopefully some howlers will end some careers before the WT20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SangasCoverDrive View Post
    As per PCB:

    "Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

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    Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan
    Speak up, whats your agenda here?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Good news, hopefully some howlers will end some careers before the WT20.
    Or create careers if they are the beneficiary from the howler

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    What are DRS operators anyway?

    Any TV broadcaster should be able to do it, as long as technologies like Hawkeye (which have been in vogue since the late 90s) are available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    What are DRS operators anyway?

    Any TV broadcaster should be able to do it, as long as technologies like Hawkeye (which have been in vogue since the late 90s) are available.
    They're the people who set up and the run the Hawkeye hardware and software. My guess would be the issue here is one of two things, either:

    1) Hawkeye think the security situation has changed enough recently that they aren't willing to send the operators.

    2) The PCB aren't willing to pay the extra money Hawkeye want to cover hotel quarantine and the extra loss of earnings due to it after the operators leave Pakistan.

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    Strange ? What is so special about the operators ? And also surely there must be some locally trained staff to operate it ?

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    For a change, umpires skill be tested again and we will live the days w/o this technology which I feel is good but still that 50% thing here and there upon umpires first call is kinda unfair

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    Really sad. Someone should have been able to mange this locally

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    They're the people who set up and the run the Hawkeye hardware and software. My guess would be the issue here is one of two things, either:

    1) Hawkeye think the security situation has changed enough recently that they aren't willing to send the operators.

    2) The PCB aren't willing to pay the extra money Hawkeye want to cover hotel quarantine and the extra loss of earnings due to it after the operators leave Pakistan.
    Pakistan don't have anyone in their entire country who can do that? lol.

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    Thats a big yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Good news, hopefully some howlers will end some careers before the WT20.
    For that you need the right umpires to complete the loop: Kumar Dharmasena and "A Shocker" de Silva would do nicely.


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    No big deal.

    Cricket was still a fab sport pre DRS.

    DRS plays a bigger role in test cricket.

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    What a joke.


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    Wouldíve been nice to have it but not really a biggie.

    Pakistan umpires are usually fair and competent - especially Aleem Dar.

    I donít have much of an issue if the umpire makes an honest mistake, itís part of that game.

    As long as umpires purposely donít cheat, we can get by it. And I generally trust in Pak umpires in the international arena.

    The owners/operators of Hawkeye who refused to visit Pak can shove their system and equipment up where the sun doesnít shine.

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    I thought that was something every host country was able to provide themselves.

    If thatís not the case with Pak, it needs to be addressed asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    Would’ve been nice to have it but not really a biggie.

    Pakistan umpires are usually fair and competent - especially Aleem Dar.

    I don’t have much of an issue if the umpire makes an honest mistake, it’s part of that game.

    As long as umpires purposely don’t cheat, we can get by it. And I generally trust in Pak umpires in the international arena.

    The owners/operators of Hawkeye who refused to visit Pak can shove their system and equipment up where the sun doesn’t shine.
    How anyone can justify having no DRS is beyond me.

    It's not about operators. It's been a long time with this and previous regime and Pakistan has not been able to get decent broadcasting going.

    it's just pure incompetence. One should call it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty Naz View Post
    Pakistan don't have anyone in their entire country who can do that? lol.
    No, as far as I'm aware all of Hawkeye's cricket operators are based in the UK.

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    Series should be cancelled. Its unfair on nz behalf.


    I hope tha taliban supporters are happy here....


    With no hawkeye, how will it be judge if an lbw decision was corect


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    Sign of an incompetent board. Still living in stone age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    How anyone can justify having no DRS is beyond me.

    It's not about operators. It's been a long time with this and previous regime and Pakistan has not been able to get decent broadcasting going.

    it's just pure incompetence. One should call it out.
    Do you even understand the issue?

    PCB cannot put a gun to the owners/operators of Hawkeye company, that is supposedly purchased by Sony, to visit Pakistan.

    There is no other ICC approved company to officiate ball tracking. Sony has a monopoly on it. Local Pakistan techies are not allowed to use the equipment that is not available in the first place.

    But I am still not sure why such a fuss? Why some of us are acting as sissies? Let's man up, and play!

    We have had Test cricket being played for over a 100 years without DRS. We are not going to lose a limb to play without DRS.

    As I said, I trust my umpires to play fair. And I am ok if an umpire makes an honest mistake. It's part of the game.
    Last edited by Colorblind Genius; 10th September 2021 at 20:21.

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    Is there a reason why the operators are not coming to the country? PCB should assure them of good security cover. It looks bad to not have DRS..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forward Defensive Push View Post
    Is there a reason why the operators are not coming to the country? PCB should assure them of good security cover. It looks bad to not have DRS..
    I think they are being payed triple at the IPL hence why they choose the IPL

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    Pakistan already has a home advantage in the name of Pakistani umpires ;) It would be very demoralizing for the morale of the Pakistani team if they lost to the NZ C team. Can't afford it right before the twenty20 WC.

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    Thatís really poor, not consistent with other series and DRS should always be available in case of human error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    I think they are being payed triple at the IPL hence why they choose the IPL
    Surely there isn't only one batch of operators in the world?


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    Lets just cancel the series then. Some of you people need to relax, Cricket can be played without DRS.

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    There won’t be any usage of the Decision Review System (DRS) during New Zealand’s tour of Pakistan because of the unavailability of an approved provider for the technology.

    Neither the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) nor the official broadcasters of the series were successful in finding an approved provider of the technology required to run the system.

    Sources said that the inconvenience was caused because the rights of the bilateral series were sold late and hence they will have to manage without DRS in all eight matches.

    The source also said there was so much international cricket being played around the world at this time that equipment technology provision will have to be arranged well in advance.

    However, they have ensured to avail the DRS system when England tours Pakistan in October to play a couple of T20 International matches.

    https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/zea...l?guccounter=1

    Other reports are saying that no DRS for Pakistan v NZ is due to India hiring the system operators for the Indian Premier League (IPL).



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    Isnt Virtual eye and Eagle Eye also approved for DRS?

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    WOW!!

    No DRS is poor for a series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Surely there isn't only one batch of operators in the world?
    I think that's the one Pakistan use also they have to be approved by the ICC

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    A pointless tour becomes even more pointless. There's nothing to be excited about in this series at all.

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    well time to end hawkeyes monopoly over the DRS


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyboy2018 View Post
    Pakistan already has a home advantage in the name of Pakistani umpires ;) It would be very demoralizing for the morale of the Pakistani team if they lost to the NZ C team. Can't afford it right before the twenty20 WC.
    Times have changed, they prefer to oblige the other team

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    Quote Originally Posted by SangasCoverDrive View Post
    As per PCB:

    "Aleem and Ahsan have been assigned on-field responsibilities for the ICC Men’s World Cup Super League fixtures as DRS will not be available"

    ==

    Another feather in the cap of Wasim Khan, the reason why they don’t have is because the DRS operators are unwilling to come to Pakistan
    I heard they are all bought by IPL (BCCI) offering them 4 times more pay than what PCB can offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis View Post
    well time to end hawkeyes monopoly over the DRS
    They don't have one, virtual eye also exists.

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    This series will not part of ODI super league because of no DRS


    Failure of Wasim Khan to get production rights signed so late

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    Wasim Khan is so incompetent it is funny. His departure should be declared a national holiday.

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    Pakistan Cricket Board and New Zealand Cricket have mutually agreed to change the status of next week’s ODI series to a bilateral series from the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League fixtures due to the non-availability of Decision Review System (DRS), a requirement in the event playing conditions.

    As New Zealand will return to Pakistan in the 2022-23 season to play two Tests and three ODIs, the two boards have agreed that these 50-over matches will now count towards the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 qualification.



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    Well on a positive note Pak will be playing 3 more ODIs against NZ next year which will be part of world cup super league which will count towards WC qualification. 2023 will be the year of 50 overs world cup, while World T20 2022 will also be there so I am expecting a lot of teams including Pak balancing their calendars by adding much more ODIs than they did in 2021 to complete their world cup super league fixtures as well to prepare for the world cup.
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    So there is no one in Pakistan that knows how to operate DRS technology?


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    The series could have gone ahead as part of the Super League even without DRS had the two boards agreed to do so, but New Zealand were not prepared to play a high-stakes series without the use of the technology. The PCB and the series broadcasters, it is learned, were unable to find an ICC-approved provider for the technology in time for the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mp812 View Post
    The series could have gone ahead as part of the Super League even without DRS had the two boards agreed to do so, but New Zealand were not prepared to play a high-stakes series without the use of the technology. The PCB and the series broadcasters, it is learned, were unable to find an ICC-approved provider for the technology in time for the series.
    Good excuse to play next year with full strength team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Wasim Khan is so incompetent it is funny. His departure should be declared a national holiday.
    I don't like Wasim Khan but this has nothing to do with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Good excuse to play next year with full strength team
    Now Pakistan should definitely play Abdullah shafique,dahani,wasim and even haris

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    I don't like Wasim Khan but this has nothing to do with him.
    Surely it's his job to find the relevant DRS people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Surely it's his job to find the relevant DRS people.
    They're not willing to come to Pakistan because of the threat of the Taliban.

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    home umpires and no DRS. Good plan to win


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    home umpires and no DRS. Good plan to win
    Cricket was played this way for 50+ players before neutral umpires were introduced.

    I guess we can declare all the old results void then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Cricket was played this way for 50+ players before neutral umpires were introduced.

    I guess we can declare all the old results void then?
    It needed to change coz of lot of criticism due to poor umpiring. So DRS and concept of neutral umpires was brought. And when local umpires used to officiate then Pak was the biggest beneficiary. No DRS with local umpires is a recipe for the victory of local team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARK Rafay View Post
    So there is no one in Pakistan that knows how to operate DRS technology?
    As per some sources the issue is that with the IPL and some other series going around this period the equipment had to be booked in advanced. Even CPL this year is happening without DRS. Yes definitely could have been handled better.

    Eng tour of T20s in Pakistan will have DRS as per the sources as it has been timely booked. There is no source or news relating it to Taliban gov in Afg as some have tried to portray here without an proper source.

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    Isin't DRS mandatory for a ICC international match? Would this series results be counted in ICC records?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Cricket was played this way for 50+ players before neutral umpires were introduced.

    I guess we can declare all the old results void then?
    Not void. But if you watch the old matches with home umpires and no DRS then the decisions were often horrendously poor and biased. Most of the English, Australian, New Zealand, Pakistani, Indian umpires et al were compromised and unreliable.

    Even though things improved a lot over time with neutral umpires, before the DRS came in there were still plenty of controversial marginal decisions, and a fair few shockers in there as well.

    DRS holds all bowlers, batters, and umpires to account brilliantly, and it should be mandatory for every international match: no exceptions.

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    So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.

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    So we just had a full thread with posters blaming everything under the sun except the obvious. Yíall really need to keep cool until the details of things come to light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.
    It's a chance to try out new players like Wasim, Dahani, Abdullah, Haris, Zaid, Qadir, etc.

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    This did not happen suddenly out of blue. They had lot of time to book in advance for drs but due to unprofessional board they did not handle it.
    What's even more funny is, nz did not know about it until now. WoW

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.
    For real? That is some level of incompetence


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    So basically a completely meaningless series since it won't even be included in the ICC Super League, because of lack of DRS.
    Now known as a bilateral series.

    I guess still good for Pakistan fans and the PCB.



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    Absurd to not have DRS.

    But anyways, atleast we have some cricket so I will take that.

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    No points for ICC super league but, will still impact the ODI ranking points. NZ will try to come up with a full strength team next year for the 3 ODIs added as part of the super league.

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    Ramiz not happy with the DRS situation:

    “I was also hurt after I got to know this. It is quite a mess and there is no denial on this, I will talk on this and determine who is responsible"


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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    They're not willing to come to Pakistan because of the threat of the Taliban.
    So it's nothing to do with IPL who they normally use.

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    Am surprised there are no local operators for this, considering DRS is around since 2008.
    Any ways, its not the end of the world if DRS is not available. The umps are competent enough, although being human they will end up making human errors-part of the game.
    But PCB and the setup should learn from this and take steps to ensure that they have the facilities avaialble for DRS, come another big series.

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    Pathetic really - youíre trying to promote cricket in your country and canít have one of this most basic requirements covered?

    If people arenít willing to come, spend some damn money and get them trained up. Itís a bit of configuration. Hardly rocket science

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    It's 2021. DRS should be a basic requirement for any match between 2 Test playing nations, just as the cricket ball is a basic requirement.


    Arsenal all the way!! (and Pakistan, of course!)

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    How many people/crews are there who know how to operate DRS? From what I read, the IPL has employed 3 sets of DRS crew. Is that all there are? No one else?

    I mean the IPL does pay 3-4 times more, but still they are losing out on revenue. Should they not be training more people?


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