BlackCaps abandon tour to Pakistan following a New Zealand government security alert

[Colorblind Genius]

I don't know a great deal of information about them tbh. But I keep reading here that the Taliban in Afghanistan is an indigenous movement headed by their own people without any external support.

Hold on.
So you don't trust your own Media? Haven't you been watching India Today and Republic TV and NDTV and whatnot?

OR, you pick n choose the news that sits well with your preemptive mindset regardless of the source whether it's Indian or Pakistani?

So I suppose it's not outlandish to think the TTP might be having similar indigenous origins without external support.

TTP grows their own poppy seeds or do they have billions of dollars invested in International banking and finance that produces lucrative dividends?

I mean, from where they are able to get the resources to a point where they are able to challenge Pakistan Army?
Did American forces left a few thousands humvees for TTP too?

[DeadlyVenom]

IMO

NZ were given false information by those who are still crying the Taliban won. It could be our neighours on the East, Aussies or the Brits. NZ has little choice, its a small nation with no real army, no real political power, they need to keep their friends and probably believe the info given to them is genuine.

However for them to make this decision without agreement with Pakistan is pathetic. Pakistan is the safest nation to play cricket on Earth NOW because nowhere else are teams in any sport given such security and protection.

Pakistan cant do much atm but can cut short any future tours to NZ and not allow their players to play PSL but this isnt a good move imo.

Overall, no real loss over a few LOI matches.

I saw a tweet that the British high commission denied that the UK supplied any intel.

[Saj]

Seems like the way this has been done by NZC and their Government is the frustrating aspect to all this.

Last-minute and then not sharing their evidence with the PCB and the Pakistan Government.

Very embarrassing for Pakistan and PCB.

[Zaz]

There were better ways to deal with this.

The way New Zealand chose deliberately put an end to a lot of potential international cricket fixtures in Pakistan, so we have every right to call out your stupid, incumbent board for their lack of consultation with the decision they made.

Is anyone here blaming New Zealand for not touring? No.

It could have been handled much better. There were ways to do this without striking fear into the rest of the world that Pakistan is unsafe.

Both parties could have mutually agreed to postpone the tour given regional tensions, and that would have been a much better result. By pulling out spontaneously, New Zealand has given the impression that their lives were in danger and that they were being held at gunpoint and miraculously escaped Pakistan.

As a New Zealander, you may not understand but the way things are done matters a lot.

I respect that New Zealand Cricket is following the decision of the government, but please, try and understand that the idiocy of NZC may have cost a lot of international cricket in Pakistan. That is something you cannot expect Pakistani fans to forgive, so yes, a lot of us are angry because NZC has squandered the chances of us seeing free-flowing international cricket happening in Pakistan.

Like I said, there are better ways of handling such situations. New Zealand picked the option that would harm Pakistan the most, and I will not forgive them for this, especially since they had the option to inform the PCB and devise a proper statement to give the public instead of heaping this issue of security threats at the PCB.

Highly unprofessional and stupid.

Let's see the severity of this threat as well, even though I still maintain my stance that there were much better ways of handling this.

This Its embarrassed the hosts and the image of the country the way theyve unilaterally decided Theyve made it look like the both the board and govt are inept and clueless and the nz players are unsafe Theyve not treated the hosts as equal partners in the decision making process which is highly disrespectful

This couldve been handled much better to protect pakistans image considering what damage it will cause to cricket in the country

[street cricketer]

Hold on.
So you don't trust your own Media? Haven't you been watching India Today and Republic TV and NDTV and whatnot?

I don't. Definitely not the Republic anyway.

TTP grows their own poppy seeds or do they have billions of dollars invested in International banking and finance that produces lucrative dividends?

I mean, from where they are able to get the resources to a point where they are able to challenge Pakistan Army?
Did American forces left a few thousands humvees for TTP too?

I mean, the TTP is not really toppling the government is it, like their cousins across the border. Their modus operandi is mainly through attacks with IEDs and ambush attacks. This is not really a high level sophisticated militant organisation that we're talking about.

If it was was easy as simply finding some random group to cause trouble in a foreign country, Pakistan would have done that in India long back, or even China for that matter. Or India could have done the same in China. The fact that these attacks happen only in Pakistan points towards internal fault lines within their country, as a result of Pak's past foreign policy misadventures.

[Colorblind Genius]

Seems like the way this has been done by NZC and their Government is the frustrating aspect to all this.

Last-minute and then not sharing their evidence with the PCB and the Pakistan Government.

Very embarrassing for Pakistan and PCB.

Why embarrassing for Pakistan and PCB?

If it's embarrassing then it's only for NZ to have dealt with the hosts in such a classless manner.
And it's even more embarrassing for the NZ Govt for not having the courage to share the full detail of the threat with the Pak intelligence to backup their childish decision.

[Saj]

The NZC media release didn't mention any liaison with PCB, didn't mention any co-operation between the 2 Boards, didn't mention any discussions between the 2 Boards and didn't mention re-arranging the fixtures.

These are very bad signs.

[KingKhanWC]

I saw a tweet that the British high commission denied that the UK supplied any intel.

British government arent exactly known for telling the truth.

Someone has given them intel or it's political, a weak move because Pak helped the Taliban with peace talks.

[Colorblind Genius]

I don't. Definitely not the Republic anyway.



I mean, the TTP is not really toppling the government is it, like their cousins across the border. Their modus operandi is mainly through attacks with IEDs and ambush attacks. This is not really a high level sophisticated militant organisation that we're talking about.

If it was was easy as simply finding some random group to cause trouble in a foreign country, Pakistan would have done that in India long back, or even China for that matter. Or India could have done the same in China. The fact that these attacks happen only in Pakistan points towards internal fault lines within their country, as a result of Pak's past foreign policy misadventures.

So 26/11 attack was a false flag operation?
And Kulbhushan Yadav is a Pakistan?

Even many in India claimed that Pakistan is behind Pulwama attacks.

You ministers are on the record stating that Imran Khan directly gave the orders to send Pulwama attackers from Pakistan to India.

[Major]

When did Pakistani govt officials start writing in English? Urdu is their official language and I believe most of the written communication is shared in urdu especially in Govt offices.

Aa nope. English the official language that gets used in the officies. The exam that is done for beuracrates is done kn english

[Saj]

Why embarrassing for Pakistan and PCB?

If it's embarrassing then it's only for NZ to have dealt with the hosts in such a classless manner.
And it's even more embarrassing for the NZ Govt for not having the courage to share the full detail of the threat with the Pak intelligence to backup their childish decision.

Embarrassing in terms of doing everything they could, and still NZC wouldn't even discuss anything with them.

[Colorblind Genius]

There were better ways to deal with this.

The way New Zealand chose deliberately put an end to a lot of potential international cricket fixtures in Pakistan, so we have every right to call out your stupid, incumbent board for their lack of consultation with the decision they made.

Is anyone here blaming New Zealand for not touring? No.

It could have been handled much better. There were ways to do this without striking fear into the rest of the world that Pakistan is unsafe.

Both parties could have mutually agreed to postpone the tour given regional tensions, and that would have been a much better result. By pulling out spontaneously, New Zealand has given the impression that their lives were in danger and that they were being held at gunpoint and miraculously escaped Pakistan.

As a New Zealander, you may not understand but the way things are done matters a lot.

I respect that New Zealand Cricket is following the decision of the government, but please, try and understand that the idiocy of NZC may have cost a lot of international cricket in Pakistan. That is something you cannot expect Pakistani fans to forgive, so yes, a lot of us are angry because NZC has squandered the chances of us seeing free-flowing international cricket happening in Pakistan.

Like I said, there are better ways of handling such situations. New Zealand picked the option that would harm Pakistan the most, and I will not forgive them for this, especially since they had the option to inform the PCB and devise a proper statement to give the public instead of heaping this issue of security threats at the PCB.

Highly unprofessional and stupid.

Let's see the severity of this threat as well, even though I still maintain my stance that there were much better ways of handling this.

well ... it looks like the only entity that seem to have been held on a gunpoint was the NZ govt.

They acted like someone was holding them at gunpoint and had said the words "Do it or else...!"

[Colorblind Genius]

Embarrassing in terms of doing everything they could, and still NZC wouldn't even discuss anything with them.

Perhaps I wouldn't call it embarrassing but perhaps "shocking" for PCB.

There isn't much PCB could've done if NZ Authorities didn't want to cooperate, and started to act immature, classless and outright disrespectful towards the hosts.

[IcedCoffee]

Your argument would only make sense if those soldiers were deployed in Pakistan.

Seems like you missed my sarcasm.

[Local.Dada]

Amazing first there were non resident Pakistanis living in countries totally the opposite of what the Taliban stands for finding morals and ethics in the Taliban regime, now they are calling out Nzl for fearing for their lives in a unsafe environment in a volatile region sitting in their comfort of their homes.

I would salute if one of them follow their lead and go live in Afghanistan or these troubled areas and then give us lectures. Obviously we would never know because these areas probably won’t have internet for them to post from.

First see why even this situation has even raised before blaming BCCI and Indian government.

This series was held without DRS, without much significance in the context of world super league points etc and the common fan outside Pakistan has no clue this series is even on, so it’s funny that BCCI which has a challenging time right now completing the IPL will even spend energy on this series.

My sympathies with the fans who wanted to watch the game on TV or in the stadium though.

[street cricketer]

So 26/11 attack was a false flag operation?
And Kulbhushan Yadav is a Pakistan?

Well there is evidence of the perpetrators if the Mumbai attacks being Pakistani in origin reported by reputed foreign newspapers and even Pakistani news agencies for that matter.

As for Kulbushan Yadav, he could probably be a spy who got caught. I'm sure Pakistan must be having at least a few spies of their own in India. Countries having spies in enemy countries is not really an uncommon phenomenon. That's how spy agencies work. There were plenty of Russian spies in the US and vice versa in the past and I'm sure even in the present.

Even many in India claimed that Pakistan is behind Pulwama attacks.

You ministers are on the record stating that Imran Khan directly gave the orders to send Pulwama attackers from Pakistan to India.

I've always been consistent in my views. Your enemy countries will of course look to destablise you if there is a chance for them to do so. That's how geopolitics work. But if there aren't avenues for doing so inside your own country, they can't really do much because you cannot run an insurgency in an another country without local support.

Pulwama was caused by an individual who was born in Kashmir on this side of the border. At best, Pak could have funded it to source the materials but ultimately, the perpetrator was an Indian citizen, at least according to the records. I'm aware of the hawkish sentiments during that attack and Indian politicians giving sensationalist statements. But there was a good segment of people who believed attacking Pakistan for that attack would be immature and could trigger a nuclear war and that rather we should tighten our intelligence after the security lapse that led to the attack. I shared the same sentiment and I do so now. Perhaps Pakistanis should look inward for their troubles in Waziristan and I think Indians should do the same for their issues in Kashmir instead of blaming each other for their failures.

[Local.Dada]

British government arent exactly known for telling the truth.

.

Just curious which government do you think is more transparent Pakistan or Britain? Give me a straight answer if you can

[IcedCoffee]

There's a proverb in my language which roughly translates to english as "Even if you can't help someone, at least don't harm him".

Can't help but think this series cancellation has harmed cricket in Pakistan. Purely from a cricketing perspective, it was a pointless series really. From what I gather, the series didn't have DRS and wasn't even going to be a part of the ICC super league ODI fixtures. Technically speaking, it would have probably been better for Pakistan if this series hadn't been scheduled and NZ had not arrived in the country instead of arriving in the country, training, posing with the trophy and abandoning in the last moment, citing a terror threat of all reasons. Even a covid threat reason wouldn't be as bad.

Hindsight is 20-20 I guess. Perhaps, it's something to bear in mind for future prospective tours.

[Saj]

Perhaps I wouldn't call it embarrassing but perhaps "shocking" for PCB.

There isn't much PCB could've done if NZ Authorities didn't want to cooperate, and started to act immature, classless and outright disrespectful towards the hosts.

Yes shocking, embarrassing, annoying, frustrating.........

[Zaz]

The NZC media release didn't mention any liaison with PCB, didn't mention any co-operation between the 2 Boards, didn't mention any discussions between the 2 Boards and didn't mention re-arranging the fixtures.

These are very bad signs.

If someone was suspicious theyd say for a reputable board to behave like this is not an accident

[Local.Dada]

em at gunpoint and had said the words "Do it or else...!"

Then you can’t blame them, can you? Would you not obey straightforward orders on gunpoint?

Maybe the question is deeper why are the entities which are so powerful that they can threaten a progressive,peaceful and rich country like Newzealand from playing a pointless series even think this is such a big deal. Then it becomes a matter of self introspection for the image the Pakistan government is projecting in the last few weeks doesn’t it?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just curious which government do you think is more transparent Pakistan or Britain? Give me a straight answer if you can

Why would anyone give you a straight answer? What is there to be gained from it considering your own leanings?

[UzmanBeast]

This Its embarrassed the hosts and the image of the country the way theyve unilaterally decided Theyve made it look like the both the board and govt are inept and clueless and the nz players are unsafe Theyve not treated the hosts as equal partners in the decision making process which is highly disrespectful

This couldve been handled much better to protect pakistans image considering what damage it will cause to cricket in the country

Whilst I respect that NZC is looking out for the safety of their cricketers, a potential security threat could have also hurt Pakistan's cricketers.

This is a very selfish decision, and I'm surprised most people haven't considered this.

Are the lives of NZ cricketers of greater value than our players that a security threat cannot be shared?

Ludicrous, stupid, and though I hate to say it, I really hope NZ faces the repercussions of their decision.

If I were in the PCB, I'd be making a long statement calling them out, and removing our cricketing ties with NZC. We frankly don't need them, and it's quite clear they needed us more with their struggles in the Pandemic.

[UzmanBeast]

well ... it looks like the only entity that seem to have been held on a gunpoint was the NZ govt.

They acted like someone was holding them at gunpoint and had said the words "Do it or else...!"

Agreed.

What's worse is that if this were a security threat, where was the spirit of humanity? Do the lives of our players have a lower value than the lives of New Zealand cricketers?

What if our players had reached the stadium and this intel was kept away from us?

I mean seriously, what kind of a world are NZ living in?

Disgraceful excuse of a cricket board.

[Local.Dada]

Why would anyone give you a straight answer? What is there to be gained from it considering your own leanings?

A lot has to be gained from such answers, why don’t you try giving me an answer and I will tell you the takeaways.

Anyways I wanted to stay away from this thread because I have no dog in this fight until some posters started dragging India into it which has nothing to do with this situation Pakistan finds itself in with regards to cricket or the Taliban.

[Bewal Express]

Well there is evidence of the perpetrators if the Mumbai attacks being Pakistani in origin reported by reputed foreign newspapers and even Pakistani news agencies for that matter.

As for Kulbushan Yadav, he could probably be a spy who got caught. I'm sure Pakistan must be having at least a few spies of their own in India. Countries having spies in enemy countries is not really an uncommon phenomenon. That's how spy agencies work. There were plenty of Russian spies in the US and vice versa in the past and I'm sure even in the present.



I've always been consistent in my views. Your enemy countries will of course look to destablise you if there is a chance for them to do so. That's how geopolitics work. But if there aren't avenues for doing so inside your own country, they can't really do much because you cannot run an insurgency in an another country without local support.

Pulwama was caused by an individual who was born in Kashmir on this side of the border. At best, Pak could have funded it to source the materials but ultimately, the perpetrator was an Indian citizen, at least according to the records. I'm aware of the hawkish sentiments during that attack and Indian politicians giving sensationalist statements. But there was a good segment of people who believed attacking Pakistan for that attack would be immature and could trigger a nuclear war and that rather we should tighten our intelligence after the security lapse that led to the attack. I shared the same sentiment and I do so now. Perhaps Pakistanis should look inward for their troubles in Waziristan and I think Indians should do the same for their issues in Kashmir instead of blaming each other for their failures.

Yadav is probably a spy- surely not. Wasn't he on a holiday to Balochistan

[Local.Dada]

Yadav is probably a spy- surely not. Wasn't he on a holiday to Balochistan

Have attacks in Balochistan and in and around that region stopped after Yadav’s capture ?

[Zaz]

Agreed.

What's worse is that if this were a security threat, where was the spirit of humanity? Do the lives of our players have a lower value than the lives of New Zealand cricketers?

What if our players had reached the stadium and this intel was kept away from us?

I mean seriously, what kind of a world are NZ living in?

Disgraceful excuse of a cricket board.

Theyve treated the hosts shockingly poorly and not as equal stakeholders of value We will do what is best for us never mind what the repurcussions are for pakistan

Harps back to a colonial type mindset of serving self interests

[KingKhanWC]

Just curious which government do you think is more transparent Pakistan or Britain? Give me a straight answer if you can

Pakistan by a country mile. If you live in the UK you will know recent history, Iraq war lies, Covid death rate lies, the list goes on.

[street cricketer]

Yadav is probably a spy- surely not. Wasn't he on a holiday to Balochistan

It's not really something new. Pakistani nationals have got arrested by Indian intelligence agencies near the Indo-Nepal border. I'm sure both intelligence agencies must have a few spies in each other's country or even China for that matter in India. I mean they are intelligence agencies for a reason, that's what they do, i.e., gather intelligence from enemy countries.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A lot has to be gained from such answers, why don’t you try giving me an answer and I will tell you the takeaways.

Anyways I wanted to stay away from this thread because I have no dog in this fight until some posters started dragging India into it which has nothing to do with this situation Pakistan finds itself in with regards to cricket or the Taliban.

I am not interested in engaging Indian nationalists in this thread, I don't need your opinions thanks since I already know what they will be. Goodbye.

[Saj]

From a senior source within PCB:

"No intelligence, no source of the intelligence, no evidence & no defining of the type of alleged threat was shared with Pakistan's security agencies or with the Pakistan Cricket Board by NZC or New Zealand's Government before they abandoned the tour of Pakistan"

[UzmanBeast]

Theyve treated the hosts shockingly poorly and not as equal stakeholders of value We will do what is best for us never mind what the repurcussions are for pakistan

Harps back to a colonial type mindset of serving self interests

I agree.

Disappointing. They may have cost us quite a lot of international cricket based on a "what if" scenario.

There are better words to describe New Zealand Cricket Board's decision, but for the sake of the readers, I shall not use those words here.

[UzmanBeast]

From a senior source within PCB:

"No intelligence, no source of the intelligence, no evidence & no defining of the type of alleged threat was shared with Pakistan's security agencies or with the Pakistan Cricket Board by NZC or New Zealand's Government before they abandoned the tour of Pakistan"

There you go.

This is stupid on New Zealand's part.

[kingusama92]

From a senior source within PCB:

"No intelligence, no source of the intelligence, no evidence & no defining of the type of alleged threat was shared with Pakistan's security agencies or with the Pakistan Cricket Board by NZC or New Zealand's Government before they abandoned the tour of Pakistan"

Disgraceful from NZ.

In essence, they were willing to sacrifice Pakistani cricketers to protect themselves. Imagine the threat was actually real and the Pakistani team continued with its standard protocol leading to a massive incident.

There is no defending NZ's handling of this.

[Nasty Naz]

Shameful stuff from NZ.

If there is any future tour to NZ, Pakistan should do the same and pull out last minute as well. There should be zero tours to NZ until they come to Pakistan and fulfill their obligation.

Enough is enough with all this nonsense.

[offstump]

Let NZ figure out how to get their team out of the country themselves.. end all security arrangements immediately.

[Local.Dada]

Let NZ figure out how to get their team out of the country themselves.. end all security arrangements immediately.

And god forbid something happens, how will that help (leave alone PCB ) the Pak government image?

[Colorblind Genius]

Agreed.

What's worse is that if this were a security threat, where was the spirit of humanity? Do the lives of our players have a lower value than the lives of New Zealand cricketers?

What if our players had reached the stadium and this intel was kept away from us?

I mean seriously, what kind of a world are NZ living in?

Disgraceful excuse of a cricket board.

From a senior source within PCB:

"No intelligence, no source of the intelligence, no evidence & no defining of the type of alleged threat was shared with Pakistan's security agencies or with the Pakistan Cricket Board by NZC or New Zealand's Government before they abandoned the tour of Pakistan"

As per Sheikh Rasheed's press conference,

Imran Khan directly spoke to Jacinda and even she wasn't able to provide any detail of this threat.
It was just one straight "NO, we are not going to play."

Doesn't look it had anything to do with security concerns for either team, otherwise, Jacida would've provided the detail to IK, or had at least had their agencies share the intel in detail with Pak agencies.

[Thulsa]

The alternative nobody is considering is that that the reason was not shared because it implicates the Pakistani establishment - be it the security detail or otherwise.

NZ do not strike me as a board/team that would do something like this lightly - if the reason is not shared in due course their standing will take a hit - as it rightly should. But the fact that it is not is concerning - as many here suggest it could be politically motivated/influenced, or something more ‘sinister’ with the Pakistani facilitators.

[UzmanBeast]

As per Sheikh Rasheed's press conference,

Imran Khan directly spoke to Jacinda and even she wasn't able to provide any detail of this threat.
It was just one straight "NO, we are not going to play."

Doesn't look it had anything to do with security concerns for either team, otherwise, Jacida would've provided the detail to IK, or had at least had their agencies share the intel in detail with Pak agencies.

All signs point to a politically motivated decision.

[Waleed93]

A very sad day indeed, we are well and truly back to where this painful journey started in 2009.

Explications are needed and only the NZ board can provide them, otherwise Pakistan can forget about hosting international cricket for atleast one more decade.

Anyways, atleast Pakistani fans will stop sucking up to NZ players and their team now and making them look like the good guys.

[Usman Chadda]

And god forbid something happens, how will that help (leave alone PCB ) the Pak government image?

You lack basic comprehension skills to figure out that UNILATERALLY cancelling a foreign tour is unprofessional on so many levels. This is not some joke that is going on, the host nation having spent significant money and time in making sure the tour goes ahead.

You have reservations about touring, fine, completely agree with that, but to not even take into consideration the host nation and speak to their authorities? Quite disgusting how dishonest people like you are defending NZ here just because they not Pakistanis.

[offstump]

And god forbid something happens, how will that help (leave alone PCB ) the Pak government image?

What has happened today is the equivalent of something happening. If they can’t trust our security to thwart this latest threat then what’s the use of Pakistan providing security?

[Titan24]

Question is how will NZ team enter the chartered plane? Will the plane land on the roof of the hotel? Otherwise they will have to go and you know there is “threat”.

[Mp812]

Question is how will NZ team enter the chartered plane? Will the plane land on the roof of the hotel? Otherwise they will have to go and you know there is “threat”.

Once threat became public news... plans are usually aborted ...because cops swarm the place and security is increased immediately. Thats the protocol in most western countries

NZ team could even catch Uber and reach airport at this point of time and probably still be safe due to increased security.

[OneManShow]

Once threat became public news... plans are usually aborted ...because cops swarm the place and security is increased immediately. Thats the protocol in most western countries

NZ team could even catch Uber and reach airport at this point of time and probably still be safe due to increased security.

The NZ team had president level security. Over 4000 security personnel were on Duty- miles of checkpoints along the route for spectators, shops and businesses, roads around the stadium all closed. The security they have now is the same as they had prior to decision to withdraw.

[Titan24]

Once threat became public news... plans are usually aborted ...because cops swarm the place and security is increased immediately. Thats the protocol in most western countries

NZ team could even catch Uber and reach airport at this point of time and probably still be safe due to increased security.

So you are ultimately saying that its safe to play now because supposedly threats have now been neutralized by making it public? As if they can catch uber they can play.

[ahsan17]

Innocent Chinese engineers were also killed just a month ago.

It seems both you and the individual you are quoting are confused. The "three terror attacks" were within 2 months, not 2 weeks, and includes the one you mentioned as well.

[ekpakistani]

Announce ban on bilateral cricket with NZ as they have not shared security threat details while unilaterally abandoning the series.

I can pretty much guarantee you that England will not come either

Whether it's US or India or aliens is irrelevant, fact is NZ have done this and we should take all legal measures possible.

Going to ICC will be futile and waste of time. After being an ardent and passionate fan of cricket all my life I do think it's time for us to focus on other sports. Each and every time these gora teams are scared to come, well, to hell with them. So much media sensationalism is created as if this is the end of Pakistan. It is not and it will not be the end.

None of this changes the fact that we have selected Azam Khan, khushdil and Harris rauf but no place for Fakher zaman, shahnawaz dhani...for T20 world cup People and countries will take us seriously when we start taking ourselves seriously. Even if this NZ series happened it would have been meaning less playing with a C team. So good riddance and I hope they never tour again.

[Mp812]

So you are ultimately saying that its safe to play now because supposedly threats have now been neutralized by making it public? As if they can catch uber they can play.

Yup they probably could have played with increased security.
But I guess they cant defy govt directives ..can they? Probably family member pressure as well ?

[Raja Ishtiaq]

No more international cricket in Pakistan I think

What will we do?

[Saj]

Darren Sammy's thoughts.

[Titan24]

No more international cricket in Pakistan I think

What will we do?

We will see foreign players again coming in for PSL I think along some other teams who have already toured.

2009 was a completely different incident with a lapse from Pak but, this is just NZ’s call nothing to do with any shortcomings from Pak side.

[Kroll]

Shameful stuff from NZ.

If there is any future tour to NZ, Pakistan should do the same and pull out last minute as well. There should be zero tours to NZ until they come to Pakistan and fulfill their obligation.

Enough is enough with all this nonsense.

I don't think and probably many others that we should bother with that now. Let the chickens go home to roost.

[princeuk]

that is shameful how they didnt even discuss with the pakistan board before leaving. There is something fishy going on, we cant put our finger on it just yet.

Are these people the so called nice guys of cricket?

[Walawalkar]

You can do terrorist attack in any country and DIE.

Want to me to start listing the number of terror attacks on European and American soils?

Sadly it's all about perception Sir
If you want to list then also mention number of countries who giving safe heaven to UN designated terrorist in their countries
Pakistan need to take step back and start the work again..no other option

[ManFan]

Pakistan cricket is officially dead.

[Nikhil_cric]

There have been a lot of allegations against India , West etc. for this pullout but I'm surprised no one has questioned the assessment by ESI Risk.

After all, it is not the NZC or even the NZ government doing the assessment themselves. They only acted on what a 3rd party evaluated.

[Aman]

There have been a lot of allegations against India , West etc. for this pullout but I'm surprised no one has questioned the assessment by ESI Risk.

After all, it is not the NZC or even the NZ government doing the assessment themselves. They only acted on what a 3rd party evaluated.

The thing that everyone seems to be disregarding is the threat of attack on the NZ team once they stepped out of their hotel. That's what Jacinda told Imran Khan.

More discussion about NZ government not sharing their intelligence (which appears to be standard practice) yet than there is about the fact their was a threat to the NZ team.

Jacinda is not going to risk the lives of NZ citizens for the sake of returning cricket to Pakistan.

[Aman]

It's astounding how people are ignoring all this to play the victims. I'd love to see the same people put themselves in the NZ players positions and see how they respond when it's their lives being told to be put on the line and being "cowards" for choosing to listen to advise of their government, intelligence and independent security agencies.

NZ sent soldiers to Afghanistan, to say no threat exists given what's happening in Afghanistan is delusional.

[bala977]

PP conspiracy theorists need to make up their mind …. On one hand, they accuse of India of total incompetence (e.g. Indian pilots dropped their bombs in barren land and ran away during “surgical strikes”) but on the other hand, the same India is accused of orchestrating fiendish, clever plots to scare NZ cricket team off.

Can you make up your mind please? Are we competent or incompetent?

[Major]

It's astounding how people are ignoring all this to play the victims. I'd love to see the same people put themselves in the NZ players positions and see how they respond when it's their lives being told to be put on the line and being "cowards" for choosing to listen to advise of their government, intelligence and independent security agencies.

NZ sent soldiers to Afghanistan, to say no threat exists given what's happening in Afghanistan is delusional.

Your post is based on the fact that you live in NZ. Pakistanis are making the post based on the fact that some of us live here and know the kind of security that is being provided.

The international team gets presidential security. There is no way anyone could play foul. Even if someone tries to ram his car filled with explosives, we would end up losing more security forces. Pakistan employs SSG which are our top fighters in the field.

Helicopters are in the air just in case any hankypanky does take place.

I know the city of Pindi and Isb. The buses dont even travel through Pindi, they come from ISB as the roads are more open.

The road on which the stadium is located is closed shut. They even shut mobile services sometimes just in case if there is a genuine threat.

Problem is, if there was intelligence report, the NZ govt should had shared with Pakistani govt, because we have civilians living in Pindi that were at risk of getting killed. This is what makes the whole ordeal pathetic.

Also, one thing that bothers us is that Pakistan team was disrespected when we toured NZ last time. Even in covid conditions they were disrespected by the authorities who had dare to bark that we could go home if we didnt comply by the rules. Even though Pakistan said nothing, but it builds up.

We still continued with the tour even after being disrespected, while the NZ team has been hosted like princes and at the end decided to pull out.

PCB was even willing to stop spectators come to the stadium if it made things any safer.

The stadium is more safer than the hotel.

[Buffet]

Some younger poster may not know , but

19 years ago : Bomb ends Kiwis' tour of Pakistan

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/08/cricket

I don't think NZ toured any time after that and this was their first tour after the last tour getting canceled due to the bombing of the hotel. Now getting any threat will surely put NZ on edge.


As much as everyone wants to see international cricket back in Pakistan. Fans are frustrated and it is understandable, but the NZ government does not care about bring cricket back to Pakistan. Given the history of Pakistan, if NZ has any credible threat, the government simply won't take any chances. NZ government priority is to their citizens. If the NZ government ignores it and something happens, then the government officials may be facing jail time.

Sure, anything can happen in any place, but Pakistan's situation is due to history. If there was a clean history, then the trust may have been a lot higher and we may have seen a different tone from NZ officials about sharing.

It is not always a conspiracy to defame Pakistan. NZ team wouldn't have traveled to Pakistan if they had no intention to play. The security situation is always fluid so they surely thought that threat was not present earlier.

[HappyWarsFan]

Some younger poster may not know , but

19 years ago : Bomb ends Kiwis' tour of Pakistan

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/may/08/cricket

I don't think NZ toured any time after that and this was their first tour after the last tour getting canceled due to the bombing of the hotel. Now getting any threat will surely put NZ on edge.


As much as everyone wants to see international cricket back in Pakistan. Fans are frustrated and it is understandable, but the NZ government does not care about bring cricket back to Pakistan. Given the history of Pakistan, if NZ has any credible threat, the government simply won't take any chances. NZ government priority is to their citizens. If the NZ government ignores it and something happens, then the government officials may be facing jail time.

Sure, anything can happen in any place, but Pakistan's situation is due to history. If there was a clean history, then the trust may have been a lot higher and we may have seen a different tone from NZ officials about sharing.

It is not always a conspiracy to defame Pakistan. NZ team wouldn't have traveled to Pakistan if they had no intention to play. The security situation is always fluid so they surely thought that threat was not present earlier.

Nope. NZ toured again in 2003-04, 2 years after the incident you mentioned.

[Buffet]

Your post is based on the fact that you live in NZ. Pakistanis are making the post based on the fact that some of us live here and know the kind of security that is being provided.

The international team gets presidential security. There is no way anyone could play foul. Even if someone tries to ram his car filled with explosives, we would end up losing more security forces. Pakistan employs SSG which are our top fighters in the field.

Helicopters are in the air just in case any hankypanky does take place.

I know the city of Pindi and Isb. The buses dont even travel through Pindi, they come from ISB as the roads are more open.

The road on which the stadium is located is closed shut. They even shut mobile services sometimes just in case if there is a genuine threat.

Problem is, if there was intelligence report, the NZ govt should had shared with Pakistani govt, because we have civilians living in Pindi that were at risk of getting killed. This is what makes the whole ordeal pathetic.

Also, one thing that bothers us is that Pakistan team was disrespected when we toured NZ last time. Even in covid conditions they were disrespected by the authorities who had dare to bark that we could go home if we didnt comply by the rules. Even though Pakistan said nothing, but it builds up.

We still continued with the tour even after being disrespected, while the NZ team has been hosted like princes and at the end decided to pull out.

PCB was even willing to stop spectators come to the stadium if it made things any safer.

The stadium is more safer than the hotel.

As highlighted, the risk of NZ players actually getting harmed will be low due to all actions taken by Pakistan. Now NZ team may not want to play if they can remain safe due to many security officials getting killed to save them.

You are seeing it from the Pakistani cricket fan's angle. Look at from another side.

[Buffet]

Nope. NZ toured again in 2003-04, 2 years after the incident you mentioned.

My bad, I forgot if they played again.

[Buffet]

As regular fans, we may not know the details of security threats. Still, it will be interesting to know top-level details.

[Major]

As highlighted, the risk of NZ players actually getting harmed will be low due to all actions taken by Pakistan. Now NZ team may not want to play if they can remain safe due to many security officials getting killed to save them.

You are seeing it from the Pakistani cricket fan's angle. Look at from another side.

bro, when touring Pakistan, countries need to be aware of the geopolitical situation here.

We have tensions with India going on all the time. It is what it is

The thing is, there will be hoax emails and messages being shared. My dad worked in the govt, and he probably got a hoax threat every month.

The reason why ISI requested that the threat that was told to them be shared so that they could check it. Or atleast close of thsoe areas for the civilians because we had civilians at risk to. Its not just about the NZ team.

Plus, our agencies have informants placed aswell through which they could had confirmed any report.

This was more likely a hoax

[Aman]

As highlighted, the risk of NZ players actually getting harmed will be low due to all actions taken by Pakistan. Now NZ team may not want to play if they can remain safe due to many security officials getting killed to save them.

You are seeing it from the Pakistani cricket fan's angle. Look at from another side.

Most neutrals are understanding from what I've seen, some Pakistani's also but then there's many immature Pakistani's abusing and threatening NZ, NZC, our government and our agencies.

[Buffet]

bro, when touring Pakistan, countries need to be aware of the geopolitical situation here.

We have tensions with India going on all the time. It is what it is

The thing is, there will be hoax emails and messages being shared. My dad worked in the govt, and he probably got a hoax threat every month.

The reason why ISI requested that the threat that was told to them be shared so that they could check it. Or atleast close of thsoe areas for the civilians because we had civilians at risk to. Its not just about the NZ team.

Plus, our agencies have informants placed aswell through which they could had confirmed any report.

This was more likely a hoax

Hopefully, the tour was not canceled based on a hoax. As fans, we don't have any means to see the actual threat, but NZ surely thought that threat was real because even IK taking to NZ PM did not help here.

[Civil]

PP conspiracy theorists need to make up their mind …. On one hand, they accuse of India of total incompetence (e.g. Indian pilots dropped their bombs in barren land and ran away during “surgical strikes”) but on the other hand, the same India is accused of orchestrating fiendish, clever plots to scare NZ cricket team off.

Can you make up your mind please? Are we competent or incompetent?

Bala Bhai, calling in a hoax threat to scare NZ team doesn't require as much intricacy and planning compared to the other stuff you mentioned.

Anyone would know simplest scare even if it is not credible would make NZ jolt. So this would be faulty comparison for your question.

That being said, I for one don't think Indians had anything to do with this. Though many may be silently happy probably, who knows it's a big population and varying opinions.

[Buffet]

Most neutrals are understanding from what I've seen, some Pakistani's also but then there's many immature Pakistani's abusing and threatening NZ, NZC, our government and our agencies.

Some part may be due to Babar, all cricketers, and officials making statements. They should stay away from tweeter and wait for few days before making any inciting statements. Then you have the PM of Pakistan saying that there was no threat. Given all that, not surprising if some fans are abusing NZ/NZC.

It is simply the frustration from fans and a very valid one if I am being honest. It will cool down in few days and we will know more details.

[pillionrider]

People saying Taliban is a threat. I don' believe the Taliban would be involved in whatever threat is claimed to have been detected. Not because they're model humans like some here would have us believe, but because they have a friend in IK.

You do realize there are parts of the Pakistan state that benefit from the country and the rest of the world remaining paranoid about safety in Pakistan. It would be one of their simplest missions to set off a perceived terror threat and know that NZ would be easily scared away.

You should also be careful to dismiss the presence of an actual threat. All it takes is one stupid person who thinks it was a Kiwi who killed Muslims in an NZ mosque and believes it's time for revenge.

I’m sorry but is “Fool” an intended pun here?

[CrIc_Mystique]

Considering it was called off right before the toss shows it was pre meditated. We just got played. Hopefully we play NZ in the WC and give them an unimaginable phainty.

Yep - the Pak NZ match is on 27th oct. Added motivation for your team to win.

[CrIc_Mystique]

So 26/11 attack was a false flag operation?
And Kulbhushan Yadav is a Pakistan?

Even many in India claimed that Pakistan is behind Pulwama attacks.

You ministers are on the record stating that Imran Khan directly gave the orders to send Pulwama attackers from Pakistan to India.

Hmm, Shri Fawad Chaudhary one of your ministers on the floor of your senate has spoken eloquently about how you guys were involved in pulwama attacks, lets leave it at that m8.
That said, am sad for genuine pak cricket fans, also for folks on pp who were looking forward to this series.

[PakLFC]

Lol, so who will Pak be friends with? Despite this slight we are still in no position to create more enemies.

Not sure how or in what world Pakistan become as strong as ever either. All signs point to the opposite.

Nothing is forever. Pak will have it's say in the future. After each hardship there is ease.

[PakLFC]

Thier is threat where ever you go does that mean we cancel everything.India already reported this time ago.players were safe hence why they travelled to Pakistan

This issue has nothing to do with India. The NZ players were obviously not satisfied when travelling to Rawalpindi. Lets not look for conspiracy theories like we always do like RAW phoning Kane Williamson to pull NZ out if he wants to play in the IPL. Clearly, the safety measures were inadequate.

[ahsan17]

It's been almost 24 hours. Shouldn't NZ have left by now? If so, they should be telling us what this threat was.

[cricketjoshila]

I have had the opportunity to go through this event and the posts on this thread. My understanding says:

1. Pakistan most likely tried its best to get the tour. Infact the pakistani pm called the NZ PM to try to salvage the tour. But in vain.

2. Whatever it was that forced the NZC to call of the tour was big enough for Ardern to even ignore assurances by Imran.

3. NZ could have done this more gracefully and without hurting the image of pakistan and pakistan cricket. Lets be fair, this will push back pakistan's efforts to hold matches at home. The optics were devastating. 4000 police men. Pakistan Army. SSG.Assurances from Imran. Yet NZC pulled out. May be NZC could have asked for an airlift to the stadium and back. This is has damaged pakistan cricket more than the lahore attacks.

They could have pulled out of this tour while being in BD and it would have been far less damaging to pakistan.

4. OSINT grapevine says the intel came from 5 eyes. So most likely we will never know what the threat was.

5.PCB has suffered a massive setback and will be hoping that ECB tours. If not, then its back to neutral territory.

6. Pakistanis are visibly upset and angry and i would be too if i was in their place. But all this talk of retaliation isn't going to do pakistan any good.

Anyways teams are not keen to tour pakistan and pakistan's relation with BCCI is not good. Spoiling relations with other boards wont help.

Right now pakistan team is not full of superstars and not a big attaraction, so they will have to careful how they respond.

Its not a good day for pakistan and for every cricket fan.