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    Is the English County System the most over hyped domestic structure?

    You would think that the world's so called best or so called second best domestic structure should have a lot of results to show for it self

    But England are bullies at home but kittens abroad where they have routinely

    Tasted defeat in New Zealand

    Tastes brutal defeats in Australia

    Tasted defeats in India

    Tasted defeat against Pakistan in the UAE and West Indies in West Indies

    England has only won one ODI WC in 2019 that also in controversial circumstances and a T20 WC.

    England's shocking ineptitude with the bat in Australia is very damming for its so called elite county cricket

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    It used to have good quality but I think it is overhyped currently.

    Not the same quality as before.


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    You can judge the detrimental impact of the county structure by observing Duane Olivier's bowling since his return to international cricket.

    County cricket is no longer fit for purpose, and it's the ECB's own neglect and incompetence which has led to this day.

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    Who has called it the best domestic structure? I mean Imran Khan played in it for years, and despite this still advocated a six-team domestic structure in Pakistan because he recognised the challenges with spreading talent across too many teams.

    Even in England there are numerous critics of its quality, number of pitches, the time it is played and the players it is producing. I don't think I have ever heard of any recent player or pundit praise its quality.

    Historically it was of a much better standard due to the intensity of the cricket played, the relatively reduced number of tests that were played and its ability to attract high profile overseas players.

    It suited the subcontinent players of the past as it took them away out of their cotton-wooled environment and gave them a sense of independence coupled with more first-class games than they would play at home. Similarly, it suited Aussie players as it allowed them keep on playing cricket during the Australian winter.

    Since the late 90's it has been in a state of terminal decline and I don't think the ECB has the appetite to facilitate its recovery.
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    The Australian domestic structure even though its faced a decline because of focusing too much on the big Bash and ODI cricket has a lot to boast about ie

    Winning 5 ODI WCs

    Winning a T20 WC

    Being the number one test side for a number of years

    Beating Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, England, West Indies, NZ in their backyards

    Routinely being in the top 3 in all formats for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    Who has called it the best domestic structure?
    +1

    It surely has its place for some players, but I have not seen the hype for the county.


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    It used to be 2 top overseas professionals with all of the English national players playing too.

    Nowadays it's full of journeymen cricketers, 1 overseas professional in most teams and many of the national players pick and choose when they play.

    What do the ECB expect!



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    Incredible the lack of test batsman coming from England.
    They have just one batsman, Root.

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    They are good in ODI and T20 but I feel their batsman are really not acclimatised to play Test cricket . None of the players are stayers. You can see the quality of Burns and Haseeb . Also Eng winning the ODI WC would have made them complacent and programmed them to be the best in ODI and T20 only

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    English fan opinions I'm reading online are lambasting County Cricket for the most part.

    County Cricket in its heyday had a greater variety of surfaces, making extensive use of outgrounds like Colchester and Sedbergh, and attracted the top overseas pros.

    Today it fails to prepare youngsters for the variety of conditions in Test cricket. By and large we see slow seaming pitches where Dukes ball bullies run riot, batsmen don't learn the art of batting for long periods and spinners are reduced to afterthoughts.

    Rob Key mentioned the Australian contingent have a WhatsApp group titled "Stevo's Gonna Get You" - referring to 45 year old uncle Darren Stevens who's STILL one of the leading wicket-takers with his 70mph dobbers ! Even the leading Ashes runscorers like Head and Labuschange struggle to buy a run.

    Basically, it sounds like pre-2019 Pakistani FC cricket.

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    its the ecb's fault, they sidelined the comp becuase they wanted to make money with t20. you cant have majority of county season at start of summer and expect to get good results. the conditions arent conducive to it, div 2 is more like old qae nowadays with lots of low scoring games, and guys like darren stevens still playing as an all rounder.

    the fact that his highest fc score and best bowling are both after his 40s says everything about the system. if england really want to improve they needs to demote at least 5 or 6 counties to minor county status. whilst writing this i just realised ive written exactly what @Markhor wrote, lol, no plagirism mate.

    but serioously, eng have good basis for a fc comp, good school system and development path ways, the only problem is the season is relegated to the tougher part of the season to bat, and theres too many teams.

    ipl destroyed appeal of playing county as top players easily earn more than the counties could ever afford to pay em, and brexit and the death of kolpak is the final nail in the coffin or attracting overseas talent. the fact that guys like zafar gohar, who struggles in qae can play as a first choice overseas player is pretty damning for english county cricket.

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    Does anyone hype it?

    I never have personally. I have long considered it to be a pretty average standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Does anyone hype it?

    I never have personally. I have long considered it to be a pretty average standard.
    How can you explain the lack of test match batsman produce by England?
    Forget the 45-50 averaging test batsman, there isn't hardly 35 averaging batsmen in England now.
    Is there any hope to see 2/3 test cricket batsman in the near futur so England can compete again in test cricket?

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    It's full of ageing journeymen cricketers and a lot of the players coming through are simply not intl test quality burns , hameeds etc .

    Standards have dropped, pitches plus English weather makes your dibble dobby seamer like your abbas, masters , Stevens , murtagh lethal .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    But England are bullies at home but kittens abroad where they have routinely
    England are bullies at home? Since when?

    County cricket is great for anybody who is not English - including South African players getting into the English team, or sub-continental players who use it as a finishing ground to transform from "good" to "elite".

    For English players, not so much.


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    They need to increase it to three foreign players to improve the quality of teams.

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    It used to be hyped up and to an extent rightly so in terms of the infrastructure and overall quality learning it used to provide to young English as well as younger overseas players with the quality of overseas players (Top players of the world have played country cricket at one point or another) that played in it.

    Currently the hype has started to fade away with a lot of mediocrity in the 18 team county championship without the top overseas. Even their own international players have rarely played a county match in last 5 years or so.

    As mentioned in another thread, its high time that either some counties are merged together to make it a 6-8 teams competition so that best can play the best with top coaches guiding them or another red ball tournament with 6 teams having the top county players along with some overseas players is introduced (With some quality overseas players it can be a big success amongst the test fans as well, kind of like franchise red ball cricket and they can be the pioneers as they already have a system where overseas players come to play).

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    Joe Root claimed any success English cricketers have on the international stage is "in spite of county cricket, not because of it" as he demanded chances to the way the system works.

    The England skipper was speaking in the aftermath of his team's drubbing in the latest Ashes series Down Under.

    Australia were by far the superior side over the course of the tour as they secured a 4-0 victory, denied a whitewash only by rain delays which helped the tourists force a draw in Sydney.

    While there are a number of factors behind England's poor performances over the past six weeks, the current country cricket structure has been mentioned by several pundits as something which needs work.

    And now the England captain has joined those calls for changes to the domestic game.

    "What incentives in county cricket right now are there to open the batting?" Root asked. "What incentives are there to be a spinner? And what incentives are there to bowl fast?

    "There don't seem to be many, whether you look at the first-innings average scores of 250 or whatever they are, how short the games last.

    "I'm not going to make excuses for a performance like that, because that’s not good enough for Test cricket. It doesn’t matter how inexperienced you are.

    "Even on that surface, which did help the seamers, we’re a better team than that and we’ve got to give a better account of ourselves.

    "But what I will say is, anyone that’s coming into this Test team at the minute is doing it in spite of county cricket, not because of county cricket

    "There are definitely things that need to change. You look at some of the young batters – when have they had the opportunity to go out with 450, 500 on the board and deal with scoreboard pressure?

    "You don’t practice it in county cricket. The only time they’re exposed to it is in this environment.

    "When have they had to go out to save a game against a turning ball in spinning conditions?

    "They’ve never been exposed to it. And yet we’re expected to go to the subcontinent and win games against the best spinners in the world."

    Not content with just identifying the problems, Root was happy to offer some potential solutions which he believes might have a positive impact on the international side's fortunes in the future.

    "We need to produce better wickets," he began. "How are we going to do that? Hopefully by playing at a better time of the year. By flattening the seam on the ball. Maybe giving our seamers the opportunity to bowl with a Kookaburra ball.

    "We could double the batting bonus points, too. There are a number of things that I think we can do quite quickly to give our guys a better opportunity to ready themselves for this environment.

    "And obviously it will nullify running in and bowling at 70mph. It will encourage guys to try and create new angles, be either more consistent or find a different way of taking wickets, and it will give spinners an opportunity to bowl in the first half of the season."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    You would think that the world's so called best or so called second best domestic structure should have a lot of results to show for it self
    I donít know anyone who calls it so.

    The problem is the anachronistic structure. Eighteen Counties have to agree to change for it to occur. Each has vested interests. ECB is not very powerful.

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    So what are the rankings of domestic cricket systems.

    India must have the best followed by NZ maybe then SA, Pak, Aus then maybe England or Sri Lanka.

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