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    Thanks for coming Rohail Nazir

    Rohail Nazir is to be sent back to Pakistan when Mohammad Amir arrives in England.

    According to Misbah he has gained a lot of experience during his time in England.

    Thoughts?



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    What a disgusting way to treat a youngster

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    Highly talented prospect virtually kicked out, yet unfit 30 year olds retain.

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    Not surprised... a bad news for Rohail... Hope rohail takes positive things out of his time out there and work his way back in to the side, and dont worry about being sent back home...

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    Muhammad Amir is replacing Haris Rauf so why is Rohail going back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    What a disgusting way to treat a youngster
    Misbah has done so many like this especially to young cricketers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Muhammad Amir is replacing Haris Rauf so why is Rohail going back?
    Because Rizwan is back and scored runs in the practice games... Sarfraz will not start and just be there as a backup so Misbah doesnt want to have a third wicketkeeper batsman..

    I was happy when Rohail and Musa were taken to tour from the reserves... But sending him back alone is not a good gesture..

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    We are allowing amir comeback for useless t20 matches . He should've been rested for this tour because he doesn't play test cricket .This would have allow rohail to gain valuable experience with test team

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    Misbah "Rohail has been with us, we tried to keep him with us as long as possible to keep a 29-man squad and also so that he can gain experience. Initially we brought him as a backup WK but we have Rizwan and Sarfaraz now. He has gained some experience. He will leave when Amir joins the squad."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Misbah "Rohail has been with us, we tried to keep him with us as long as possible to keep a 29-man squad and also so that he can gain experience. Initially we brought him as a backup WK but we have Rizwan and Sarfaraz now. He has gained some experience. He will leave when Amir joins the squad."
    Fair enough.

    Rohail is a good option but not a teenage prodigy like Shaheen/ Haider/ Naseem. He managed to spend time on an international tour training with the main players and the head coaches. This was a great opportunity for him to pick up some tips, which hopefully he did.

    With Rizwan in good form, and Sarfaraz there as backup, there is no need for a third keeper.

    It makes sense to keep Musa in the squad as he can be another net bowler and give practise to the batsmen of facing 140k bowling. Rohail provides nothing in that regard and would take up batting time.

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    What? How can they treat a youngster like this?

    This is disrespectful for Rohail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Misbah "Rohail has been with us, we tried to keep him with us as long as possible to keep a 29-man squad and also so that he can gain experience. Initially we brought him as a backup WK but we have Rizwan and Sarfaraz now. He has gained some experience. He will leave when Amir joins the squad."
    Yup also add sohail tanvir,m irfan etc .i am not sure what are we doing with so many fast bowlers.Replacing fast bowler with wicket keeper is beyond any logic.I guess sending rohail was very easy because after all he is not" senior"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Rohail Nazir is to be sent back to Pakistan when Mohammad Amir arrives in England.

    According to Misbah he has gained a lot of experience during his time in England.

    Thoughts?
    Thoughts? Not the first time that Amir has cost someone in the Pakistani set up.....

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    Hopefully Rohail has been given then news in an encouraging way. With Rizwan the first choice keeper with the squad and Sarfaraz being the reserve, Rohail wasnt gonna get anything other than exposure from the tour.

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    Iíd sooner send home:

    Imran Khan
    Sohail Khan
    Musa Khan
    Mohammad Hafeez
    Kashif Bhatti
    Iftikhar Ahmed

    But five of them are in Misbahís little social clique!

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    On what basis is Amir being recalled? He doesn't even have a contract, and its not like he's some sort of prodigy that we won't win the series without. For me, he doesn't warrant a position in the first choice xi

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    Can't believe Pakistan are hankering for Amir 10 years after his fluke series.

    He doesn't even play tests now.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Iíd sooner send home:

    Imran Khan
    Sohail Khan
    Musa Khan
    Mohammad Hafeez
    Kashif Bhatti
    Iftikhar Ahmed

    But five of them are in Misbahís little social clique!
    Malik will also join team soon 😡😡

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    Should never have been selected in the first place. You only need two Wicket keepers on a tour. If it’s about exposure, then I suppose we need A team tours. There’s no point in warming benches in the name of exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    Should never have been selected in the first place. You only need two Wicket keepers on a tour. If it’s about exposure, then I suppose we need A team tours. There’s no point in warming benches in the name of exposure.
    He was only taken because Rizwan tested positive for COVID-19, ensuring there were 2 keepers if he didn't recover. He's now being sent back as he is now surplus to needs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    He was only taken because Rizwan tested positive for COVID-19, ensuring there were 2 keepers if he didn't recover. He's now being sent back as he is now surplus to needs.
    Ok.

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    Rohail was brought because Rizwan testes positive for covid. Now Rizwan Is fine. There's no need for 3 keepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud View Post
    Thoughts? Not the first time that Amir has cost someone in the Pakistani set up.....
    Well I'd look at some of the other passengers who won't play a match who could have gone home instead of Rohail.



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    No idea what the outrage is, he is the 3rd wicket keeper behind Rizwan and Sarfraz and literally only got in due to Rizwan initially testing positive for it.

    He is not going to play on this tour at all so why would they keep him? This was a good experience for him and its good to know he is in their plans but he is far too young and with limited domestic experience to be useful in England in any format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud View Post
    Thoughts? Not the first time that Amir has cost someone in the Pakistani set up.....
    U know you have a rubbish future when mohammed amir has better wicket keeping skills than u do


    "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles"

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    Even yesterday, with Abid Ali injured wouldn't it have made more sense to let Rohail Nazir open rather than Mohammad Hafeez - who lasted 3 balls?

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    Meh, it will make him hungrier for a spot. Smart by Misbah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Even yesterday, with Abid Ali injured wouldn't it have made more sense to let Rohail Nazir open rather than Mohammad Hafeez - who lasted 3 balls?
    Bold of you to expect sensible decisions from Misbah

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    Rohail has been released from squad after Amir arrived in England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Even yesterday, with Abid Ali injured wouldn't it have made more sense to let Rohail Nazir open rather than Mohammad Hafeez - who lasted 3 balls?
    Absolutely.

    Instead the kid was packing his bags to go home.



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    Amir isn't even going to play in the tests. All this special treatment so a player can play 3 T20s. Disgraceful stuff.

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    I'm hearing that Rohail and his reps were keen for him to stay in UK and play some club cricket but that was declined.



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    I hope he takes it positively. To be frank, he wasnít ready for an international call up.

    If he takes this as a sign to work harder so as to make himself undroppable, and focuses on his batting by looking for an excellent season in first class, he will end up better for it.

    If he had stayed with the squad, I could see him getting forever dropped after an unsuccessful practice test or two. Ideally should have stayed, but should look at glass half full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I hope he takes it positively. To be frank, he wasn’t ready for an international call up.

    If he takes this as a sign to work harder so as to make himself undroppable, and focuses on his batting by looking for an excellent season in first class, he will end up better for it.

    If he had stayed with the squad, I could see him getting forever dropped after an unsuccessful practice test or two. Ideally should have stayed, but should look at glass half full.
    Yes but atleast he knows hes in the mix and they are looking at him should take it positively and work harder

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    Thanks again Rohail!

    Sorry it was tough to find a place against a top tier team for you.


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    Pakistan team management desperate for Rizwan to score some runs and keep Sarfaraz out. Rohail is just a casualty of this war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Thanks again Rohail!

    Sorry it was tough to find a place against a top tier team for you.
    Heís too young, we really needed to win this series. Itís not often that we have a golden chance to whitewash an elite team in T20Is

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    I have said it before, Rohail should be getting the dead rubbers atleast. How else are you going to develop/test the bench?

    Normally I wouldn't complain too much but what infuriates me is the fact that he has missed all three games of the QeA trophy so far only to warm the bench.
    Last edited by Arsal_AK; 10th November 2020 at 16:34.

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    Its so frustrating I can understand if this is a must win against a big team but surely a dead rubber against zimbabawe is where players like him should get a go?

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    Should have played in this dead rubber game so we can see what he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Pakistan team management desperate for Rizwan to score some runs and keep Sarfaraz out. Rohail is just a casualty of this war.
    Rohail is not a good keeper and an inferior batsman to Rizwan.

    Infact so is Sarfaraz, so you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Rohail is not a good keeper and an inferior batsman to Rizwan.

    Infact so is Sarfaraz, so you know...
    Sarfaraz>>>>>Rizwan as a batsman in limited overs cricket
    Rizwan>>>>>>Sarfaraz as a keeper in all formats

    This is a harsh reality Rizwan fans need to accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Sarfaraz>>>>>Rizwan as a batsman in limited overs cricket
    Rizwan>>>>>>Sarfaraz as a keeper in all formats

    This is a harsh reality Rizwan fans need to accept.
    All of us who missed those legendary performances by Sarfi vs top teams in LOIs must be living under a rock, Man there are biases and then there are such statements. Rizwan is here to stay so you better stop your wet dreams about sarfraz sooner the better for you Rana g. Buddy on this issue you totally got it all messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Sarfaraz>>>>>Rizwan as a batsman in limited overs cricket
    Rizwan>>>>>>Sarfaraz as a keeper in all formats

    This is a harsh reality Rizwan fans need to accept.
    Rizwan
    Forget about international ODI since Rizwan has the same amount centuries as Sarafaraz against a far superior team in his much shorter career so it wouldn't be fair

    List A:
    Average 48.47
    Runs: 4363
    11 100s
    21 50s


    Domestic T20:
    Average: 30.17
    Runs: 1901
    0 100
    10 50



    Sarfaraz
    List A
    Average : 32.52 LOOL
    Runs: 3805
    3 100s
    19 50s


    Domestic T20
    Average: 27.02
    Runs:3081
    0 100
    11 50


    Now what makes this even more funnier is Sarfaraz has played 62 more List A matches than Rizwan and 94 more domestic T20 matches. Rizwan is going to overtake him by the end of his career by a very healthy margin. If Rizwan gets the same lengthy opportunity Sarfaraz has gotten he will leave him in his dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Rizwan
    Forget about international ODI since Rizwan has the same amount centuries as Sarafaraz against a far superior team in his much shorter career so it wouldn't be fair

    List A:
    Average 48.47
    Runs: 4363
    11 100s
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    Domestic T20:
    Average: 30.17
    Runs: 1901
    0 100
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    Sarfaraz
    List A
    Average : 32.52 LOOL
    Runs: 3805
    3 100s
    19 50s


    Domestic T20
    Average: 27.02
    Runs:3081
    0 100
    11 50


    Now what makes this even more funnier is Sarfaraz has played 62 more List A matches than Rizwan and 94 more domestic T20 matches. Rizwan is going to overtake him by the end of his career by a very healthy margin. If Rizwan gets the same lengthy opportunity Sarfaraz has gotten he will leave him in his dust.
    Man such fans don't even need stats, their biases and instincts or personal likes dislikes are far more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Rizwan
    Forget about international ODI since Rizwan has the same amount centuries as Sarafaraz against a far superior team in his much shorter career so it wouldn't be fair

    List A:
    Average 48.47
    Runs: 4363
    11 100s
    21 50s


    Domestic T20:
    Average: 30.17
    Runs: 1901
    0 100
    10 50



    Sarfaraz
    List A
    Average : 32.52 LOOL
    Runs: 3805
    3 100s
    19 50s


    Domestic T20
    Average: 27.02
    Runs:3081
    0 100
    11 50


    Now what makes this even more funnier is Sarfaraz has played 62 more List A matches than Rizwan and 94 more domestic T20 matches. Rizwan is going to overtake him by the end of his career by a very healthy margin. If Rizwan gets the same lengthy opportunity Sarfaraz has gotten he will leave him in his dust.
    Stats are great but performance on the field at the highest level is what really matters. Rizwan is probably 1-2 poor innings away from being dropped and another guy will have a chance to play as a keeper batsman in ODIs. Then all Rizwan will have left is that healthy average of 48 in List A cricket.

    What it may also do is tell people that maybe we should not read too much into stats especially when they are from Pakistan cricket if he is dropped after a few more failures.

    We have all been witness to Rizwan the limited overs cricketer against Zimbabwe. He didn’t fail after facing 4-5 balls, in fact he was at the crease for a decent amount of time in all 3 innings.

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    Rizwan himself is still pretty raw. Rohail will get his chance, he's so young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Stats are great but performance on the field at the highest level is what really matters. Rizwan is probably 1-2 poor innings away from being dropped and another guy will have a chance to play as a keeper batsman in ODIs. Then all Rizwan will have left is that healthy average of 48 in List A cricket.

    What it may also do is tell people that maybe we should not read too much into stats especially when they are from Pakistan cricket if he is dropped after a few more failures.

    We have all been witness to Rizwan the limited overs cricketer against Zimbabwe. He didnít fail after facing 4-5 balls, in fact he was at the crease for a decent amount of time in all 3 innings.
    Sarfaraz literally averages 24 against Zimbabwe in 16 games and had only managed 148 runs lool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Sarfaraz literally averages 24 against Zimbabwe in 16 games and had only managed 148 runs lool.
    Do you see me arguing for Sarfaraz to be included instead though??

    I’m just telling you that the reason why Pakistan are not playing Rohail in these T20is is because they are desperate for Rizwan to score the runs to keep any thought of Sarfaraz’s return.

    Sarfaraz is naturally a better limited overs choice as compared to Rizwan with the bat, but yes he isn’t the solution. The keeper spot right now in Pakistan’s limited overs team is a major hole that needs to be filled by a player who will keep and score valuable runs for his side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeshan547 View Post
    Man such fans don't even need stats, their biases and instincts or personal likes dislikes are far more important.
    Yes I know but it's still good to give them a reminder that their hero is inferior in every single way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Do you see me arguing for Sarfaraz to be included instead though??

    I’m just telling you that the reason why Pakistan are not playing Rohail in these T20is is because they are desperate for Rizwan to score the runs to keep any thought of Sarfaraz’s return.

    Sarfaraz is naturally a better limited overs choice as compared to Rizwan with the bat, but yes he isn’t the solution. The keeper spot right now in Pakistan’s limited overs team is a major hole that needs to be filled by a player who will keep and score valuable runs for his side.
    You are absolutely correct with what you said about valuable runs but your unreasonable dislike stems from the fact that you are a Sarfaraz fan hence you keep calling Rizwan a wasteman.

    Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world and I'm content

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    I can't believe some people want junk sarfraz back. His career is over inshallah. We have had enough of that trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Do you see me arguing for Sarfaraz to be included instead though??

    I’m just telling you that the reason why Pakistan are not playing Rohail in these T20is is because they are desperate for Rizwan to score the runs to keep any thought of Sarfaraz’s return.

    Sarfaraz is naturally a better limited overs choice as compared to Rizwan with the bat, but yes he isn’t the solution. The keeper spot right now in Pakistan’s limited overs team is a major hole that needs to be filled by a player who will keep and score valuable runs for his side.
    And Pakistan kept playing garbage sarfraz for 2 years!!! In hope of scoring runs so Rizwan doesn't replace him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    You are absolutely correct with what you said about valuable runs but your unreasonable dislike stems from the fact that you are a Sarfaraz fan hence you keep calling Rizwan a wasteman.

    Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world and I'm content
    Lol, today I have learned that I am a Sarfaraz fan.

    I am a PAKISTAN fan. I don’t have any favourites, and I will be the first to stand up for PAKISTANI cricketers if they are unduly criticised. It has nothing to do with personal hate, but you can’t tear into Sarfaraz when he was doing poorly as a player captain for Rizwan to make way, and then keep making excuses for Rizwan when he is playing even worse?

    Not just Rizwan/Sarfaraz but for all players. The standard of criticism has to be consistent and not regional based or a basis of personal likes and dislikes. I will consistently criticise and call out Rizwan’s ineptness to play for Pakistan as a limited overs cricket through a fair and transparent view. I will consistently tell you that I feel Sarfaraz is still a better choice as a limited overs batsman in comparison to Rizwan. I will consistently tell you that I feel Zeeshan Ashraf should be the man who Pakistan invest time in as the keeper batsman in limited overs cricket.

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    I mean if he had played today, would Pakistan have lost?

    Was Rizwan absolutely crucial to the team today?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I mean if he had played today, would Pakistan have lost?

    Was Rizwan absolutely crucial to the team today?
    Bro this is the point I am making. If they did play Rohail today and he ended up batting, plus scoring some decent runs whilst at it...the management would have no excuse not to play him instead of Rizwan who has done nothing of note in T20i and PSL...plus his most recent outing against Zimbabwe with the bat has been atrocious.

    They played Rizwan in the hope that he gets those important runs to keep him in the side. Rohail can wait, he has years of cricket to come. This is how these people think.

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    Rohail is not a limited overs player and Rizwan is young / fit and at the top of his game. Rohail should have been released from the squad and allowed to play first class cricket.

    He doesn’t have the natural talent of some other youngsters but he’s been incredibly well managed by the PCB so far and could go on to become a good Test Match keeper for us in the future.

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    To add, if there’s a case to replace Rizwan in T20s (which is fair since he doesn’t fit in the team), then the selectors should have tried Zeeshan Ashraf (not convinced) or Azam Khan (if he’s good enough, he’s fit enough). Not Rohail who is is not a T20s batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    Rohail is not a limited overs player and Rizwan is young / fit and at the top of his game. Rohail should have been released from the squad and allowed to play first class cricket.

    He doesn’t have the natural talent of some other youngsters but he’s been incredibly well managed by the PCB so far and could go on to become a good Test Match keeper for us in the future.
    This

    I simply don't see Rohail as a viable option, only Zeeshan Ashraf or Azam are our only options

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    I can see this thread being bumped again for many months or years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I can see this thread being bumped again for many months or years to come.
    I pray that I'm proven wrong. We all fans want a quality WK batsman

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    He is a nothing batsman especially in white ball cricket. Why on earth are people crying about him not getting a chance to play?

    Some people are so obsessed with young players they would advocate for them with no logic and sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a nothing batsman especially in white ball cricket. Why on earth are people crying about him not getting a chance to play?

    Some people are so obsessed with young players they would advocate for them with no logic and sense.
    Because if he wasn't to be played, he shouldn't have been selected. That way he could have played the the three QeA trophy games that have finished during that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    Because if he wasn't to be played, he shouldn't have been selected. That way he could have played the the three QeA trophy games that have finished during that time.
    There are no rules that dictate that if a player is picked in the squad then he must get to play a match as well.

    Sometimes players are picked purely as backups. It happens in other teams as well and not just Pakistan.

    If Rizwan would have been injured Rohail would have had his chance. If he was playing QeA trophy at the time, who would fill in?

    You can trust Pakistani fans to always moan when every single young player doesnít get the chance to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a nothing batsman especially in white ball cricket. Why on earth are people crying about him not getting a chance to play?

    Some people are so obsessed with young players they would advocate for them with no logic and sense.
    I dont rate him either. Has a lot of hype for not much substance.
    If there has to be any young wicket keeper batsman joining the team any time soon, it should be Moin's son.
    It is very frustrating that he we never get to see him keep because of always being in Sarfaraz's team.

    However, he needs 2 years of solid first class cricket before he is inducted because while he has loads of potential, his defensive technique is not yet up to the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a nothing batsman especially in white ball cricket. Why on earth are people crying about him not getting a chance to play?

    Some people are so obsessed with young players they would advocate for them with no logic and sense.
    I have looked him play. Definitely not the next Nicholas Pooran or QdK but they are not his competition. He is competing with Rizwan who is a proven failure in T20 cricket.
    So at least it's better to try someone untested Vs Zimbabwe rather than give the game to Rizwan for no reason.

    Personally, I think, wk/batsman is the area we are struggling the most since Kamran Akmal good days were over a decade ago. For tests Rizwan is fine and can even become very good, but T20I's, for the moment I will go with a makeshift wk batsman who can hit the ball. Azam Khan will be fine I think for this role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a nothing batsman especially in white ball cricket. Why on earth are people crying about him not getting a chance to play?

    Some people are so obsessed with young players they would advocate for them with no logic and sense.
    He has performances behind him and was Pakistanís most vital player in the Emerging Asia U23 cup. I donít think heís particularly world class, but we donít have world class white ball alternatives either. Heís the best option available after Rizwan and thus merits selection (and now he has received A team captaincy).

    He doesnít come across as a world beater, but that should not stop us from grooming him for lack of an alternative Adam Gilchrist.

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    Rizwan is very good good in test ok in odis but he should not play in t20s I'd go with zeeshan Ashraf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    Rohail is not a limited overs player and Rizwan is young / fit and at the top of his game. Rohail should have been released from the squad and allowed to play first class cricket.

    He doesn’t have the natural talent of some other youngsters but he’s been incredibly well managed by the PCB so far and could go on to become a good Test Match keeper for us in the future.
    Top of his game?

    He has scored 30 runs in 3 innings against Zimbabwe at home with a sr below 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Top of his game?

    He has scored 30 runs in 3 innings against Zimbabwe at home with a sr below 50.
    Yes and before that he was exceptional in England. His keeping is absolutely amazing right now. And while he is not a T20 batter, he shouldn’t be replaced by someone like Rohail who is a step down in keeping and not as good a batsman (at this stage).

    In my personal opinion, the PCB should be working extensively with Azam Khan. He should have been taken to New Zealand even with his current fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    Yes and before that he was exceptional in England. His keeping is absolutely amazing right now. And while he is not a T20 batter, he shouldn’t be replaced by someone like Rohail who is a step down in keeping and not as good a batsman (at this stage).

    In my personal opinion, the PCB should be working extensively with Azam Khan. He should have been taken to New Zealand even with his current fitness.
    Rohail is a far better T20 batsman, Rizwan struggles to hit a 100 strike rate in the middle order.

    He is an inferior keeper but that should have stopped you from talking about Azam Khan. The truth is, inferior keeping is overshadowed by the batting depth you provide and Rohail provides that (short-term) until either Zeeshan Ashraf or Azam Khan are selected for the wicket-keeper position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Rohail is a far better T20 batsman, Rizwan struggles to hit a 100 strike rate in the middle order.

    He is an inferior keeper but that should have stopped you from talking about Azam Khan. The truth is, inferior keeping is overshadowed by the batting depth you provide and Rohail provides that (short-term) until either Zeeshan Ashraf or Azam Khan are selected for the wicket-keeper position.
    Rizwan is poor in T20 so he is not the benchmark for Rohail to aim towards. He shouldn’t be slightly better than Rizwan, he needs to justify his place as a T20s batsman/ keeper. That being said, there isn’t much evidence to suggest that Rohail would be better than Rizwan at T20i batting. He doesn’t seem like a dynamic batsman and definitely is not suited to the number 5/6 position.

    Azam is a completely different batsman to Rizwan and so his poorer keeping or fitness can be overlooked for the team requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    Rizwan is poor in T20 so he is not the benchmark for Rohail to aim towards. He shouldn’t be slightly better than Rizwan, he needs to justify his place as a T20s batsman/ keeper. That being said, there isn’t much evidence to suggest that Rohail would be better than Rizwan at T20i batting. He doesn’t seem like a dynamic batsman and definitely is not suited to the number 5/6 position.

    Azam is a completely different batsman to Rizwan and so his poorer keeping or fitness can be overlooked for the team requirement.
    I agree Azam is the best option from the three assuming he can keep at a decent level but Azam has not kept in 2 years due to Sarfaraz. So firstly he needs to get that opportunity, otherwise a lot of this discussion is hypothetical and wish-fulfillment (even though I personally think it can be the solution).

    In the meanwhile, we have to make do with the remaining options and Rohail and Zeeshan are the only two keepers who have made any kind of mark in T20 cricket. Just today Rohail hit 3 fours and a six coming in at number 9 in the practice match.

    Heís also historically played ramp shots, reverse sweeps, played as opener, played at 7, performed for Northern, performed for Multan, and hit folks like Shaheen for boundaries which we need from a keeper who is likely coming in at the death against pace, whereas Rizwan struggles here until he is set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I agree Azam is the best option from the three assuming he can keep at a decent level but Azam has not kept in 2 years due to Sarfaraz. So firstly he needs to get that opportunity, otherwise a lot of this discussion is hypothetical and wish-fulfillment (even though I personally think it can be the solution).

    In the meanwhile, we have to make do with the remaining options and Rohail and Zeeshan are the only two keepers who have made any kind of mark in T20 cricket. Just today Rohail hit 3 fours and a six coming in at number 9 in the practice match.

    He’s also historically played ramp shots, reverse sweeps, played as opener, played at 7, performed for Northern, performed for Multan, and hit folks like Shaheen for boundaries which we need from a keeper who is likely coming in at the death against pace, whereas Rizwan struggles here until he is set.
    Playing all these reverse sweeps and ramp shots is useful but it just backs up the point that he’s not a natural striker.

    If the choice is between then, then I would rather continue with Rizwan who at least has international exposure, has batted well in Test Match cricket against the fastest bowlers in the world etc. Plus Rohail potentially has a long career ahead of him in the longer formats. It would do far more damage to him to throw him into the limelight in a format he clearly isn’t comfortable in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    Playing all these reverse sweeps and ramp shots is useful but it just backs up the point that he’s not a natural striker.

    If the choice is between then, then I would rather continue with Rizwan who at least has international exposure, has batted well in Test Match cricket against the fastest bowlers in the world etc. Plus Rohail potentially has a long career ahead of him in the longer formats. It would do far more damage to him to throw him into the limelight in a format he clearly isn’t comfortable in.
    So someone who plays the sweep and reserve sweep shows that hes not a natural striker ?

    I think zeeshan Ashraf should be given ago hes an ok keeper but his batting is way better than rizwan and rohail as he showed in national cup and psl a few times

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    So someone who plays the sweep and reserve sweep shows that hes not a natural striker ?

    I think zeeshan Ashraf should be given ago hes an ok keeper but his batting is way better than rizwan and rohail as he showed in national cup and psl a few times
    The excuses people make to keep Rizwan in the limited overs side are hilarious. And then we cry about how we don’t have the right type of players in this format

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    The excuses people make to keep Rizwan in the limited overs side are hilarious. And then we cry about how we don’t have the right type of players in this format
    Rizwan is a must in tests and about ok in odis but no way does he warrant a place in the t20s and exactly cant win with some people

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    The one thing I would like Rohail to add to his batting is versatility. Reverse sweeps, scoop shots and ramp shots would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeymurBlake View Post
    The one thing I would like Rohail to add to his batting is versatility. Reverse sweeps, scoop shots and ramp shots would be great.
    He already plays them proberly top 4 in Pakistan cricket

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    I think he is a solid young prospect and Pakistan don't have many WK options like that either.

    He doesn't seem quite ready yet, especially for T20. Personally, I think Zeeshan Ashraf should be their first choice option for T20's and Rizwan for ODI's/Tests. Nazir is still very young so I don't think a bit more developmental time in domestic will hurt and his FC numbers aren't anything great either.

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