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    Manchester United owners, former Formula One owners show interest in new IPL franchise

    MUMBAI: The Glazer family that owns and runs what is considered the world's most popular football club, Manchester United, has shown interest in the Indian Premier League (IPL).

    The US-based owners of the English Premier League's marquee club have reportedly picked up the Invitation To Tender (ITT) floated by the BCCI through a private equity company. It can be confirmed that the owners of Manchester United are tracking the developments in the world's most valuable T20 league with keen interest.

    The ITT floated by the BCCI, one that has called for closed bids to be submitted in the last week of October, has some strict clauses. For instance, potential bidders are expected to submit an average turnover of Rs 3,000 crore or a personal net worth of Rs 2,500 crore to be eligible to bid.

    The average turnover clause, nevertheless, was recently reworked by the BCCI after certain potential bidders made a specific request to lower the value in order to meet the eligibility criteria.

    The ITT also allows foreign entities to buy the ITT as well as submit the bid on the condition that should they win the bid, they will have to set up a company in India.

    "So, technically, overseas investors are eligible to submit a bid if they meet these conditions. We don't really know whether Man U owners will come to the bidding table. What we certainly know is that they've shown interest," say those tracking developments.
    Among others who've picked up the ITT are the Adani Group, Torrent Pharma, Aurobindo Pharma, RP-Sanjiv Goenka Group, Hindustan Times Media, Jindal Steel (led by Naveen Jindal), entrepreneur Ronnie Screwvala and three private equity players.

    As per BCCI's last statement, Wednesday, October 20 was the deadline to pick up the tender documents available at a price of Rs 10 lac.

    "A lot of people usually pick these tender documents to study and gather information that tends to be otherwise very useful from a larger industry perspective. For instance, buying a bid document will tell me more about what the BCCI is planning next, in terms of the league expansion, etc. For instance, if Disney has bought the tender document to buy the franchise, it doesn't mean Disney is interested in owning a franchise. It will study the document because it has to plan its own media rights landscape," say those tracking developments.

    Ahmedabad, Lucknow, Guwahati, Cuttack, Indore and Dharamsala are among the cities that will remain topmost on the minds of investors as they go about preparing to bid for the two new franchises.

    "Obviously, Ahmedabad will be top priority because of the brand new 1.10 lac capacity stadium and the kind of following the state has for the game of cricket. To be honest, Ahmedabad is long due to have an IPL franchise of its own. Since 2010, they have shown interest and had in fact come to the bidding table back then," they add.

    The BCCI hasn't said anything yet on whether the final date of submissions will further be delayed from October 25. The formal announcement is expected to be made on the 26th and the bids will be submitted in the UAE.
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/87175010.cms
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    In 20 years time, IPL will be the richest sports league in the world. It will surpass likes of EPL, AFL, NBA everything. The rejuvination and globalization of cricket will happen from IPL which ICC failed to do for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    In 20 years time, IPL will be the richest sports league in the world. It will surpass likes of EPL, AFL, NBA everything. The rejuvination and globalization of cricket will happen from IPL which ICC failed to do for years.
    Quite possible. T20 cricket is the future and and IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket. In fact, it is better than bilateral ODI cricket already.

    Thank you BCCI for this experience.

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    IPL is biggest Brand in world cricket so I'm not surprised at all.

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    Doubt they will bid. Too many big players in the mix here.

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    If this happens, well great for Indian cricket as IPL will grow more and more.
    Not so great for many other nations.


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    Good to see but one must also acknowledge-
    Man utd is a pioneer grassroots organisation- which has tradition, loyalty and respect of fans, and also a nyse listed company. One can feel proud to wear its jersey unlike Ö..

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    Quote Originally Posted by drubwrubnat View Post
    Good to see but one must also acknowledge-
    Man utd is a pioneer grassroots organisation- which has tradition, loyalty and respect of fans, and also a nyse listed company. One can feel proud to wear its jersey unlike …..
    That would have started 100 years ago. You are comparing it to IPL which is just 13 years old.
    Give it time, it will grow in tradition, loyalty and respect.
    Also, do visit Chennai and Mumbai and ask the local fans about their IPL teams. Same applies for RCB and Bangalore.


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    If they do bid, then surely IPL board should make sure that they get a franchise. If IPL is associated with Man Utd and Buccaneers then the market and brand value of IPL will go up by a lot.

    And also IPL is a profitable business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    That would have started 100 years ago. You are comparing it to IPL which is just 13 years old.
    Give it time, it will grow in tradition, loyalty and respect.
    Also, do visit Chennai and Mumbai and ask the local fans about their IPL teams. Same applies for RCB and Bangalore.
    Sorry to burst your large bubble but there is no loyalty in fans and even players playing in cricket leagues. Indian fans do try hard to present IPL as the best league in the world and show that they really get hurt when their favorite team loses any match but in reality they don't.

    If IPL really want to compete with football leagues then they should first stretch its schedule to a whole year. Secondly they should play games on weekends only. The next step should be to make their international players exclusive to IPL only. It looks really funny to read an interview of an international player where he praises the host country and how much he loves playing cricket in that country. A month later he is saying the exact same things about another country in their cricket league lol. I would like to see how many of them can live in India for an year to play in their favorite league in their favorite country. In football you won't see a player playing for 3-4 different teams/clubs. They are serious leagues not some comedy circus leagues where owners, teams, host countries, stadiums change every year. There is zero loyalty in pyjama leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Sorry to burst your large bubble but there is no loyalty in fans and even players playing in cricket leagues. Indian fans do try hard to present IPL as the best league in the world and show that they really get hurt when their favorite team loses any match but in reality they don't.

    If IPL really want to compete with football leagues then they should first stretch its schedule to a whole year. Secondly they should play games on weekends only. The next step should be to make their international players exclusive to IPL only. It looks really funny to read an interview of an international player where he praises the host country and how much he loves playing cricket in that country. A month later he is saying the exact same things about another country in their cricket league lol. I would like to see how many of them can live in India for an year to play in their favorite league in their favorite country. In football you won't see a player playing for 3-4 different teams/clubs. They are serious leagues not some comedy circus leagues where owners, teams, host countries, stadiums change every year. There is zero loyalty in pyjama leagues.
    You have not interacted with people living in India so there is no bubble for me to burst. Go to Bangalore on RCB Match day or to Chennai or Hyderabad or Mumbai.

    Northern states may be a lacking a bit on the loyalty but give it time.
    Cricket will never become like Football, but the loyalty for IPL Clubs will build over time in India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    If this happens, well great for Indian cricket as IPL will grow more and more.
    Not so great for many other nations.
    Great for Indian cricket? With so much money and power our fans still downplay Indian team in a tournament like World Cup lol. I find it very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Sorry to burst your large bubble but there is no loyalty in fans and even players playing in cricket leagues. Indian fans do try hard to present IPL as the best league in the world and show that they really get hurt when their favorite team loses any match but in reality they don't.

    If IPL really want to compete with football leagues then they should first stretch its schedule to a whole year. Secondly they should play games on weekends only. The next step should be to make their international players exclusive to IPL only. It looks really funny to read an interview of an international player where he praises the host country and how much he loves playing cricket in that country. A month later he is saying the exact same things about another country in their cricket league lol. I would like to see how many of them can live in India for an year to play in their favorite league in their favorite country. In football you won't see a player playing for 3-4 different teams/clubs. They are serious leagues not some comedy circus leagues where owners, teams, host countries, stadiums change every year. There is zero loyalty in pyjama leagues.
    Your wishes will come true in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    You have not interacted with people living in India so there is no bubble for me to burst. Go to Bangalore on RCB Match day or to Chennai or Hyderabad or Mumbai.

    Northern states may be a lacking a bit on the loyalty but give it time.
    Cricket will never become like Football, but the loyalty for IPL Clubs will build over time in India.
    Someone who lives abroad should be the last one to tell me about interacting with people in India lol.

    You are right about cricket not becoming like football though. There is no loyalty for pyjama leagues and their teams. Half of these fans have 2-3 favorite teams, they don't lose their sleep and get hurt if their 1st favorite team loses because they have 2 more favorite teams to fall back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    That would have started 100 years ago. You are comparing it to IPL which is just 13 years old.
    Give it time, it will grow in tradition, loyalty and respect.
    Also, do visit Chennai and Mumbai and ask the local fans about their IPL teams. Same applies for RCB and Bangalore.
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Your wishes will come true in time.

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Bapu
    Mungeri lal ke haseen sapne.

    It can only happen if BCCI allow other boards to grow financially. I don't think that can happen. Look at the number of football playing countries and compare it with cricket. There is no shortage of talent in football so all leagues can survive. Compare it with cricket where even national teams are struggling to find their best 15 let alone players who play in their pyjama leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    That's pretty shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Mungeri lal ke haseen sapne.

    It can only happen if BCCI allow other boards to grow financially. I don't think that can happen. Look at the number of football playing countries and compare it with cricket. There is no shortage of talent in football so all leagues can survive. Compare it with cricket where even national teams are struggling to find their best 15 let alone players who play in their pyjama leagues.
    Cricket don't need to be football nor will it ever be.

    Cricket has expanded sinse BCCICC has assumed control of cricket from England and Australia. White man's game is finally free. MCC had smothered the game for far too long.

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    I love how the haters of IPL comes in every IPL thread just to say 'No one cares about IPL'


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    These are all PR stunts to exaggerate IPL hype

    Remember similar stories in 2008 when IPL began - many foreign NBA starts and billionaires wer linked. Ultimately nothing happened

    IPL franchises are not as lucrative as BCCI wants to believe. The 2 extra teams which joined in 2011 - Pune & Kerela Tuskers learnt it the hard way and backed out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Great for Indian cricket? With so much money and power our fans still downplay Indian team in a tournament like World Cup lol. I find it very strange.
    Surely, in the long run, trophies are a cherry on the cake.

    The real cake is Indian Cricket being strong by providing employment and financial stability to lots of people. Before IPL, only about 15-20 international cricketers made good money. Even the Ranji players did not make enough money during their playing careers.

    However, now, IPL provides nearly 100 players from the IPL directly and all regular Ranji players indirectly with financial stability. It has led to more money being put into other professions such sports coaches, physio etc helping India in general. The IPL format is also being replicated in other sports such as Kabaddi, football etc to help this sports also gain following. This for me is the real cake.

    Winning a trophy is good for our bragging right. But allowing more people to put food on the table, helping them provide quality education to their kids is the real win.

    And I do not even watch the IPL (have not even seen more than 4-5 matches since its inception).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    Chennai and Kolkata do have a pretty dedicated fan base. To some extent Mumbai as well

    Rest of the cities - not so much. People go to these games just to watch their favorite cricketers and have a blast. Even in Kolkata - there was a game where Chris Gayle played a typical Gayle innings and the whole Eden Gardens crowd was cheering him on even as KKR lost. That's wat IPL is about - cricket takes precedence over loyalty

    Again loyalty is not really a big issue as long as people are watching on tv and following the game. 1 big difference between IPL and test cricket is IPL attracts the non-core fan base as well especially girls - which makes it financially more lucrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    These are all PR stunts to exaggerate IPL hype

    Remember similar stories in 2008 when IPL began - many foreign NBA starts and billionaires wer linked. Ultimately nothing happened

    IPL franchises are not as lucrative as BCCI wants to believe. The 2 extra teams which joined in 2011 - Pune & Kerela Tuskers learnt it the hard way and backed out
    Pune warriors owner owes billions to his investors and Kochi owners were politicians whose parties lost 2 elections because of their legendary corruption scandals. IPL has record of ****** ownership.

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    IPL is no where close to EPL or NBA or any other top sports league in the world. Even in India, it ranks lower than International and ICC tournaments that national team (Team India) plays. It certainly doesn't have the fan loyalty that the European football leagues command. So, its just hyperbole to compare IPL with any top leagues.

    However, even keeping aside its billion dollar revenues, IPL does seem to have created a brand, it is already profitable, quite successful in viewership (talk to any advertiser and you'd get the picture), and one can see how the audiences turn up at the stadiums whenever the tournament happens in India. For example, RCB certainly has a crazy following in Bangalore, during the IPL matches, the metro station near MG Road gets insanely crowded and all traffic becomes a nightmare.

    One of my close friends heads operations and logistics of an IPL franchise, and hearing him for the past few years, I have come to respect the professionalism in the league, which used to be just about money, parties, booze and girls in its earliest editions. As an entrepreneur, I understand how complex and challenging building a business is, so I find it amazing that IPL has managed to build this huge and successful brand for itself in just a decade.

    Love it or hate it, IPL is here to stay, as it is quite popular in India (especially among families, women, children) and will grow in its stature as the league returns to India in 2022 post-COVID. But its not fair to compare it to the premier leagues in the world which are super rich and have been around for 100 years or so.

    Lastly, I think of it this way: I like my Espresso. I hate Chai. It's just not for me. But calling it names as a low-class drink or comparing it to an established brand of beverages like Cappuccino is unfair to all the Indians (especially North Indians) who enjoy their Masala Chai. Let people enjoy what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    These are all PR stunts to exaggerate IPL hype
    No. These are among the parties that have officially picked up the Interest to Bid document worth Rs. 10 lakh that the BCCI had put up for the new IPL franchises. Now whether they go on to actually put a bid, or whether their bid is a winning one is to be seen later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharmaji View Post
    IPL is no where close to EPL or NBA or any other top sports league in the world. Even in India, it ranks lower than International and ICC tournaments that national team (Team India) plays. It certainly doesn't have the fan loyalty that the European football leagues command. So, its just hyperbole to compare IPL with any top leagues.

    However, even keeping aside its billion dollar revenues, IPL does seem to have created a brand, it is already profitable, quite successful in viewership (talk to any advertiser and you'd get the picture), and one can see how the audiences turn up at the stadiums whenever the tournament happens in India. For example, RCB certainly has a crazy following in Bangalore, during the IPL matches, the metro station near MG Road gets insanely crowded and all traffic becomes a nightmare.

    One of my close friends heads operations and logistics of an IPL franchise, and hearing him for the past few years, I have come to respect the professionalism in the league, which used to be just about money, parties, booze and girls in its earliest editions. As an entrepreneur, I understand how complex and challenging building a business is, so I find it amazing that IPL has managed to build this huge and successful brand for itself in just a decade.

    Love it or hate it, IPL is here to stay, as it is quite popular in India (especially among families, women, children) and will grow in its stature as the league returns to India in 2022 post-COVID. But its not fair to compare it to the premier leagues in the world which are super rich and have been around for 100 years or so.

    Lastly, I think of it this way: I like my Espresso. I hate Chai. It's just not for me. But calling it names as a low-class drink or comparing it to an established brand of beverages like Cappuccino is unfair to all the Indians (especially North Indians) who enjoy their Masala Chai. Let people enjoy what they want.
    No better way to put it

    IPL is big billion dollar enterprise which benefits Indian cricket, domestic cricketers , and Indian economy as a whole. Guys like T Natarajan and Sandeep Sharma wud be toiling away in domestic cricket and earning peanuts. Thanks to IPL they have earned enough to ensure comfortable lifestyle for their families. That's the biggest benefit of IPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Pune warriors owner owes billions to his investors and Kochi owners were politicians whose parties lost 2 elections because of their legendary corruption scandals. IPL has record of ****** ownership.
    Corruption is part and parcel of corporate business world wide including sports team owners

    Think of those Arab sheikhs who own City / PSG / Newcastle - u think their hands are clean. Do u know how Roman Abromvich earned his billions. Have you read about sweatshops of Nike and Adidas in Asia

    Little point in pointing fingers at IPL alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    Speak about yourself only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    Corruption is part and parcel of corporate business world wide including sports team owners

    Think of those Arab sheikhs who own City / PSG / Newcastle - u think their hands are clean. Do u know how Roman Abromvich earned his billions. Have you read about sweatshops of Nike and Adidas in Asia

    Little point in pointing fingers at IPL alone
    But it becomes relevant if a owner of the team turns out to be a fraudster. Hope there are no corners cut this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    But it becomes relevant if a owner of the team turns out to be a fraudster. Hope there are no corners cut this time
    That's true. Lalit Modi did shady deals and when exposed just fled the country to escape legal prosecution. N Srinivasan and Anurag Thakur also got kicked out by courts

    Since then IPL management has done due diligence to avoid a repeat of those fixing and corruption scandals

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    These are all PR stunts to exaggerate IPL hype

    Remember similar stories in 2008 when IPL began - many foreign NBA starts and billionaires wer linked. Ultimately nothing happened

    IPL franchises are not as lucrative as BCCI wants to believe. The 2 extra teams which joined in 2011 - Pune & Kerela Tuskers learnt it the hard way and backed out
    So IPL teams are not owned by billionaires or similar corporates?

    Ambani Mumbai
    India cements CSK
    Jindals Delhi
    Marans Hyderabad
    Burmans and Wadias Punjab
    Diageo/United Spirits Bangalore

    SRK isnt a billionaire but he one of the richest actors in the world.

    Only Rajasthan is owned by a conglomerate even they have Murdochs as investors.

    So no there is no false hype.

    Kochi didn't backout. Even today they are fighting to get back their team. The matter is in the courts.

    Its traditional to hate IPL on PP, but dont spin lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    That's true. Lalit Modi did shady deals and when exposed just fled the country to escape legal prosecution. N Srinivasan and Anurag Thakur also got kicked out by courts

    Since then IPL management has done due diligence to avoid a repeat of those fixing and corruption scandals
    India cements still owns csk and N Srinivasan is still the Chairman of India cements. His daughter is still president of TNCA.

    The supreme court only talked about the conflict of interest of BCCI's president owning a team.

    Dont spin things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    I disagree. Go to any one these cities on IPL game nights, pre-COVID and every bar and every place was jam packed and people watching and following the IPL game.
    The number of corporations willing to invest and get associated with IPL means that it is huge market with huge money spinner in India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Pune warriors owner owes billions to his investors and Kochi owners were politicians whose parties lost 2 elections because of their legendary corruption scandals. IPL has record of ****** ownership.
    Sahara sponsored Indian team for years. Owned Airlines, Tv channels, townships, Hotels etc. They were as legitimate as they come.

    If a business goes into losses in future who can predict that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    I disagree. Go to any one these cities on IPL game nights, pre-COVID and every bar and every place was jam packed and people watching and following the IPL game.
    The number of corporations willing to invest and get associated with IPL means that it is huge market with huge money spinner in India.
    Disney paid 2.5 bn for 5 years for a 6 weeks long league without any following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    In 20 years time, IPL will be the richest sports league in the world. It will surpass likes of EPL, AFL, NBA everything. The rejuvination and globalization of cricket will happen from IPL which ICC failed to do for years.
    In 1982, Barca paid a record fee of £3M for Maradona. This is a higher fee than the most expensive bid in the IPL auction of 2021 @16.25 crore in such an inflated era. IPL is yet to surpass the financial power of league football from 40 years ago, yet you claim it will overtake all global leagues in 20 years. Plus you have Mamoon to agree with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So IPL teams are not owned by billionaires or similar corporates?

    Ambani Mumbai
    India cements CSK
    Jindals Delhi
    Marans Hyderabad
    Burmans and Wadias Punjab
    Diageo/United Spirits Bangalore

    SRK isnt a billionaire but he one of the richest actors in the world.

    Only Rajasthan is owned by a conglomerate even they have Murdochs as investors.

    So no there is no false hype.

    Kochi didn't backout. Even today they are fighting to get back their team. The matter is in the courts.

    Its traditional to hate IPL on PP, but dont spin lies.
    None of them are foreign billionaires as was hyped in 2008.

    Dont think it will be any such case this time. BCCI is just floating names to generate hype. It might not succeed as investors are wary after 2011 expansion fiasco

    in 2011 they managed to sell Pune and Kerela franchises for much higher prices - only for both the franchises to go bust within few years. Kerela team got sold to very mysterious bunch guys who were later accused of fraud. Shashi Tharoor got embroiled in a big scam which cost him his minstership. While Pune team went to Sahara group whose owner spent many years in jail bcoz of fraud

    Regarding the original 8 teams - well everyone in India knows the truth about the Marans and Vijay Mallya. Rules were bent to allow Srinivasan to buy a team when there was clear conflict of interest. Raj Kundra owns Rajasthan Royal - even u know wat that guy is up to . Also Lalit Modi was accused of favoring his cronies while awarding teams

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    IPL 8 owners

    Jindals - accused in coal scam
    Marans - accused in 2G scam
    Vijay Mallya - fled India and facing extradition from UK for tax evasion
    Raj Kundra - jailed for forcing girls into porn shoots
    Ambani - everyone knows them as Modi's pet croiy ( unless u r diehard BJP bhakt )
    N Srinivasan - ousted by Supreme Court
    Sahara group - owner spet several years in jail

    Lalit Modi - fled India to evade corruption charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    In 20 years time, IPL will be the richest sports league in the world. It will surpass likes of EPL, AFL, NBA everything. The rejuvination and globalization of cricket will happen from IPL which ICC failed to do for years.
    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    Corruption is part and parcel of corporate business world wide including sports team owners

    Think of those Arab sheikhs who own City / PSG / Newcastle - u think their hands are clean. Do u know how Roman Abromvich earned his billions. Have you read about sweatshops of Nike and Adidas in Asia

    Little point in pointing fingers at IPL alone
    City, PSG, and Newcastle are owned by sovereign wealth fundsÖaka the money of the country. Do some research before you post utter garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    In 1982, Barca paid a record fee of £3M for Maradona. This is a higher fee than the most expensive bid in the IPL auction of 2021 @16.25 crore in such an inflated era. IPL is yet to surpass the financial power of league football from 40 years ago, yet you claim it will overtake all global leagues in 20 years. Plus you have Mamoon to agree with you
    This is not 1982 but 2021. India is a global super power now unlike 1982. Only Mumbai's population is more than entire Europe. With the amount of craze Indians has for cricket and with 1/3rd of world's population is Indians, more and more investors will pump their cash into IPL. I dont see any reason why IPL cant surpass every league in the world in 20 years time. It may sound funny to you now but we all know its heading in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    I'm one of those ultra snobbish cricket fans who mainly watches Test cricket only plus the ICC tournaments. I don't watch bilateral ODI or T20I these days as I feel they're pointless.

    But it's easy for cricket purists to box themselves into an echo chamber and deny the rise of IPL in the grassroots of India. As someone's from Chennai, I can safely say with certainty that there's a huge fan following for CSK, almost cult like. How many times have you seen a crowd like this for a practice match in cricket..



    You could say the crowd is because of Dhoni. But is it any different from football loyalty. How many Manchester United and Chelsea fans in India have visited Manchester or London? I certainly haven't set foot on Catalonia but I started supporting Barcelona around 2009 only because of Messi. Except those who are born and brought up in those cities, most football fans start supporting a club because they liked a star player like Messi, Ronaldo or Rooney in the past or they liked the way they played the game. And this gradually transforms into loyalty and they start supporting the club even after the star player leaves the club (like when Ronaldo left United for Real and then from Real to Juve).

    You've to remember the IPL is just 14 years old, you can imagine the following each club would have when it is 3 to 4 decades old. I do think eventually cricket will transform into a football like sport in the long run, with test cricket being played only by top 3-4 nations for ceremonial purposes. Whether people like it or not, T20 is going to be the future of the sport. We don't realise how cricket is so different from other sports because we grew up watching it. No sport can survive in the modern world when it requires you to spend 7-8 hours watching a game. Football is massively popular because it ends in one and half hours. By that metric, even a 3 hour long T20 game is long. It's one of the reasons Test cricket is a loss making chore for most countries except maybe India, England and possibly Australia. T20 is certainly the only way cricket can enter the Olympics and expand globally.

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    Is this a complement or a backhanded slap to the people of India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    This is not 1982 but 2021. India is a global super power now unlike 1982. Only Mumbai's population is more than entire Europe. With the amount of craze Indians has for cricket and with 1/3rd of world's population is Indians, more and more investors will pump their cash into IPL. I dont see any reason why IPL cant surpass every league in the world in 20 years time. It may sound funny to you now but we all know its heading in that direction.
    So you think India will leapfrog all other nations and IPL will become more powerful than NBA and EUFA? I guess other Leagues such is EPL will stall in their progress for 20 years so that maybe your dream of IPL becoming bigger and more powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So you think India will leapfrog all other nations and IPL will become more powerful than NBA and EUFA? I guess other Leagues such is EPL will stall in their progress for 20 years so that maybe your dream of IPL becoming bigger and more powerful.
    Think about this rationally mate..only Americans follow NBA. Big US investors pump money into it and hence the league is so rich.

    Now India has 7 times the population USA has. So the following for cricket in India is significantly higher than basketball in USA. With the way IPL is going and considering India's huge population, more and more global investors want to jump into it. So it can easily surpass NBA. I am not saying it will do tomorrow but in 20 years time its a possibility.

    Also, outside USA not many follows basketball. Apart from India's population, there is an entire contingency of overseas Indians and Sub continent people who loves cricket. So the market for cricket is much more than Basketball.

    A simple example, go to youtube and see how many American gora's have opened channels to give reaction to bollywood songs. Do they love bollywood? No. They just want to earn money from Indian population. Now replace these youtubers with business tycoons and there you have IPL surpassing all leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think about this rationally mate..only Americans follow NBA. Big US investors pump money into it and hence the league is so rich.

    Now India has 7 times the population USA has. So the following for cricket in India is significantly higher than basketball in USA. With the way IPL is going and considering India's huge population, more and more global investors want to jump into it. So it can easily surpass NBA. I am not saying it will do tomorrow but in 20 years time its a possibility.

    Also, outside USA not many follows basketball. Apart from India's population, there is an entire contingency of overseas Indians and Sub continent people who loves cricket. So the market for cricket is much more than Basketball.

    A simple example, go to youtube and see how many American gora's have opened channels to give reaction to bollywood songs. Do they love bollywood? No. They just want to earn money from Indian population. Now replace these youtubers with business tycoons and there you have IPL surpassing all leagues.
    Think about this rationally...
    We're talking about a T20 league! T20 cricket...
    Is this really what we all want or is the 1.2 Billion population of India that crazy about a T20 game that is played between domestic teams?

    Eventually the quality of international cricketers will diminish and then what will the world be left with?

    I can understand the appetite in India as it gives the country a platform in world sports but how long before people get bored of the format especially when its being played two to three months of the year each and every year? Meanwhile foreign investors are milking the Indian public for whats it worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    I'm one of those ultra snobbish cricket fans who mainly watches Test cricket only plus the ICC tournaments. I don't watch bilateral ODI or T20I these days as I feel they're pointless.

    But it's easy for cricket purists to box themselves into an echo chamber and deny the rise of IPL in the grassroots of India. As someone's from Chennai, I can safely say with certainty that there's a huge fan following for CSK, almost cult like. How many times have you seen a crowd like this for a practice match in cricket..



    You could say the crowd is because of Dhoni. But is it any different from football loyalty. How many Manchester United and Chelsea fans in India have visited Manchester or London? I certainly haven't set foot on Catalonia but I started supporting Barcelona around 2009 only because of Messi. Except those who are born and brought up in those cities, most football fans start supporting a club because they liked a star player like Messi, Ronaldo or Rooney in the past or they liked the way they played the game. And this gradually transforms into loyalty and they start supporting the club even after the star player leaves the club (like when Ronaldo left United for Real and then from Real to Juve).

    You've to remember the IPL is just 14 years old, you can imagine the following each club would have when it is 3 to 4 decades old. I do think eventually cricket will transform into a football like sport in the long run, with test cricket being played only by top 3-4 nations for ceremonial purposes. Whether people like it or not, T20 is going to be the future of the sport. We don't realise how cricket is so different from other sports because we grew up watching it. No sport can survive in the modern world when it requires you to spend 7-8 hours watching a game. Football is massively popular because it ends in one and half hours. By that metric, even a 3 hour long T20 game is long. It's one of the reasons Test cricket is a loss making chore for most countries except maybe India, England and possibly Australia. T20 is certainly the only way cricket can enter the Olympics and expand globally.
    I have lived in Bangalore for close t0 6 years, Chennai, Hyderabad and Delhi for couple of years each between 2000 and 2017 before moving to Australia.
    There is a huge nighttime economy which has came into play post 2008 and IPL matches.
    Young Indian techies looking to unwind, have few drinks and watch a fast paced game of cricket.
    Plus the craze of catching a few players on game nights e.g in UB City Sjy Bar in Bangalore the players used to drop by especially when Bangalore won the match. Same in Chennai, huge craze, cult like following.
    Hyderabad also similar scenes. Lot of nightlife buzzing with people catching the game and enjoying a Friday/Saturday night out.
    It is a bit less to a certain extend in Punjab and Delhi, but it will gain popularity with time.
    Also, with relatively cheaper internet, Hotstar and other streaming everyone returning from late work/travelling etc can catch the game right on his mobile phone. No wonder Disney and Hotstar bid for the rights worth 2.5 Billion USD.
    India has a long way to grow economically further, the middle class will only grow and more demand for entertainment and more access to different devices etc. It is just the surface.

    The Game has Changed. About time people realise that.
    And for Pakistanis, well they know the Game has changed, otherwise why else they hype PSL every year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Think about this rationally...
    We're talking about a T20 league! T20 cricket...
    Is this really what we all want or is the 1.2 Billion population of India that crazy about a T20 game that is played between domestic teams?

    Eventually the quality of international cricketers will diminish and then what will the world be left with?

    I can understand the appetite in India as it gives the country a platform in world sports but how long before people get bored of the format especially when its being played two to three months of the year each and every year? Meanwhile foreign investors are milking the Indian public for whats it worth.
    The people decide what they want to watch and follow. The market moves towards that.
    Simple law of economics. You call it milking, but hand on heart tell me you do not want corporations to pay hundreds of dollars to your local Pakistan young talent to just throw a few balls around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Think about this rationally mate..only Americans follow NBA. Big US investors pump money into it and hence the league is so rich.

    Now India has 7 times the population USA has. So the following for cricket in India is significantly higher than basketball in USA. With the way IPL is going and considering India's huge population, more and more global investors want to jump into it. So it can easily surpass NBA. I am not saying it will do tomorrow but in 20 years time its a possibility.

    Also, outside USA not many follows basketball. Apart from India's population, there is an entire contingency of overseas Indians and Sub continent people who loves cricket. So the market for cricket is much more than Basketball.

    A simple example, go to youtube and see how many American gora's have opened channels to give reaction to bollywood songs. Do they love bollywood? No. They just want to earn money from Indian population. Now replace these youtubers with business tycoons and there you have IPL surpassing all leagues.
    For IPL to become that global superpower league, there has to be a promotion/relegation battle. It will need 15/20 franchises more.

    This is why I think there is more scope in a Asian super league instead of just IPL. Can you imagine, 10 franchises in Sri Lanka, 10 in India, 10 in Pakistan and 10 in Bangladesh. 40 team super league. The Indian franchises can start as the premier division and the remaining Asian teams can be div 1-3. That’s when Mumbai Indians winning a trophy will actually have real prestige and not this made up one as it is. This is the reason why 99% of the football fans rejected the idea of a super league for the richest clubs because there is no promotion or relegation in such a money powered league.

    When the IPL franchises actually start competing for promotion and survival, only then we will see IPL move in the direction of these big leagues

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    I disagree. Go to any one these cities on IPL game nights, pre-COVID and every bar and every place was jam packed and people watching and following the IPL game.
    The number of corporations willing to invest and get associated with IPL means that it is huge market with huge money spinner in India.
    IPL is seen as a source of entertainment. But you can't say that it has a hardcore, passionate following like football. How many people buy tickets to every single home game of their team? How many people travel for their team's away matches? We don't see that in IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    Even in Kolkata - there was a game where Chris Gayle played a typical Gayle innings and the whole Eden Gardens crowd was cheering him on even as KKR lost. That's wat IPL is about - cricket takes precedence over loyalty
    Happens in other Sports too.. I remember Ronaldo R9 got standing ovation when he scored hat-trick against ManUntd on their turf and knocked them out of the tournament..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    IPL is seen as a source of entertainment. But you can't say that it has a hardcore, passionate following like football. How many people buy tickets to every single home game of their team? How many people travel for their team's away matches? We don't see that in IPL.
    Football league started in England in 1888. The rivalries and history were built over a period of time.
    Give it time in the IPL as well. It will go that way down the line.
    Regarding how many travel, that is where India is different right... There are enough Tamilians in Bangalore to fill Chinnaswamy and there are enough Kannadigas in Hyderabad and more then enough Punjabis/Delhiites in these states also to fill stadiums matches for Delhi/Punjab.

    Right now irrespective of teams it is more of an entertainment source, a good night out. It will grow more with time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smbhayi View Post
    Happens in other Sports too.. I remember Ronaldo R9 got standing ovation when he scored hat-trick against ManUntd on their turf and knocked them out of the tournament..
    For 99% matches Man Utd fans cheer for their own team. They detest rival teams with vengeance

    But in IPL majority of fans just go to stadium to watch a good game and have a blast. Not bcoz they are hardcore fans of their city team. They don't detest anybody - may be Kohli fans dont like DHoni or Rohit & vice-versa but thats about it. Its more fun and frolic. Go to an IPL game and u wud realize. It has more of a feel of a rock concert not a game with bitter rivalries . Unlike say a game at Old Traffod - the mood turns somber if United loses and crowd goes into raptures if United wins. At an IPL game u will find it hard to find out whether home team is winning or losing - except in Chennai. Chennai folks are pretty dedicated

    Remember a Delhi vs KKR game in 2019 i Feroz Shah Kotla. Delhi needed 2 runs of last ball to win. the DJ was trying to get the Delhi fans to cheer the home team. But on the last ball Delhi took a single but got run our going for 2nd. The match was tied. Guess what the crowd went wild. That Deli did not win was least of their cocnerns. Even the DJ was stumped for some time. Most of the fans wer just happy with great climax and the fact that the game was going into a super over

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    The people decide what they want to watch and follow. The market moves towards that.
    Simple law of economics. You call it milking, but hand on heart tell me you do not want corporations to pay hundreds of dollars to your local Pakistan young talent to just throw a few balls around.
    Hand on my heart, I would be more then happy for them to throw money at Pakistan's grass roots cricket or even more so, to invest in infrastructure or industry but not for a T20 cricket league.

    Why? because it will be the death of cricket and of international cricket as we know it.
    I don't want to see some domestic team vs another domestic team. I want to see Country A play Country B.
    Investment should go to encouraging other smaller countries.

    I watch maybe two or three PSL games and then it gets boring. I then only watch the semi's or the final.
    Even then I couldn't really care less which team wins.

    At the end of the day, Cricket is not like football or Basketball... You could argue that in 20/30 or 50 years time people will support domestic teams like they do in football but I would argue that by that time Cricket will be dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Quite possible. T20 cricket is the future and and IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket. In fact, it is better than bilateral ODI cricket already.

    Thank you BCCI for this experience.
    BCCI might be rich, but it cant reach the level of NBA or NFL. Those are profesionally runned leagues.. Over there you dont have the political drama that this board said this we wont give their players league contracts.

    Plus, as many indian posters accidentally admitted that playuers before coming to IPL are in wilderness, while in North American leagues they have scouts that starting scouting for players from an early age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    When the IPL franchises actually start competing for promotion and survival, only then we will see IPL move in the direction of these big leagues
    NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL etc. don't have promotion-relegation either. Are they not big leagues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    Football league started in England in 1888. The rivalries and history were built over a period of time.
    Give it time in the IPL as well. It will go that way down the line.
    It won't. Because people don't care about the teams that much. Like I said, it's seen as a source of entertainment.

    Also the other thing being that that sort of fan culture doesn't exist. That's why we haven't grown out of lame "India, India" chants and come up with something different. That's why Indian Super League, which came years after IPL, has clubs that has organised fan clubs with the fans travelling to away games (speaking from experience as a FC Pune City fan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Plus, as many indian posters accidentally admitted that playuers before coming to IPL are in wilderness, while in North American leagues they have scouts that starting scouting for players from an early age.
    IPL teams have scouts too. It's just that the general public doesn't know of these players until they make their name in IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    IPL teams have scouts too. It's just that the general public doesn't know of these players until they make their name in IPL.
    Again, jusst having scouts by name means nothing. EVeryone has scouts, but there is a scouting system that North America has in place


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    BCCI might be rich, but it cant reach the level of NBA or NFL. Those are profesionally runned leagues.. Over there you dont have the political drama that this board said this we wont give their players league contracts.

    Plus, as many indian posters accidentally admitted that playuers before coming to IPL are in wilderness, while in North American leagues they have scouts that starting scouting for players from an early age.
    Do you even know how scouting works in India ?

    Every IPL team has their own scouts. Plus some of the names are recommended by local Ranji coaches. e.g Umran Malik was suggested to SRH and VVS by Irfan Pathan.

    Many of the players are just not known to average fans on the internet, but they have played some sort of List A cricket and are part of the system. Umran Malik had played 1 List A match.
    Varun C played in TNPL and so did Natarajan. Heck Natarjan also had played
    a Ranji Game.

    School cricket is well organised in India. Players feed from theie into local Ranji State teams. Most of the so called wild picks have played at least some domestic tournament.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Again, jusst having scouts by name means nothing. EVeryone has scouts, but there is a scouting system that North America has in place
    There is equivalent and great scouting system in Indian domestic scene also. There are 38 Ranji teams each having 20-25 players on roster ? Where do you think they select players from?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL etc. don't have promotion-relegation either. Are they not big leagues?
    What is the market for these leagues outside of the US and Canada? How many people do you see following them religiously like they do follow football in Europe. Yes they are great for the US/Canadian market because that’s their thing and the income of residents in these countries in general are very good. Yes India is on the rise economically but I still argue that only a fraction of its population earn enough to follow cricket the way Europeans follow football and the Americans follow basketball, American football, Baseball and Ice Hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Yes India is on the rise economically but I still argue that only a fraction of its population earn enough to follow cricket the way Europeans follow football and the Americans follow basketball, American football, Baseball and Ice Hockey.
    Maybe they don't earn enough, but can you argue against the billions of dollars IPL is drawing in terms of domestic broadcast rights, sponsorship rights and franchise ownership rights fees? On a per match basis, IPL is only second to the NFL in terms of how much they are being paid for the broadcast rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoshiarpurexpress View Post
    Do you even know how scouting works in India ?

    Every IPL team has their own scouts. Plus some of the names are recommended by local Ranji coaches. e.g Umran Malik was suggested to SRH and VVS by Irfan Pathan.

    Many of the players are just not known to average fans on the internet, but they have played some sort of List A cricket and are part of the system. Umran Malik had played 1 List A match.
    Varun C played in TNPL and so did Natarajan. Heck Natarjan also had played
    a Ranji Game.

    School cricket is well organised in India. Players feed from theie into local Ranji State teams. Most of the so called wild picks have played at least some domestic tournament.
    Again, you guys need to check how scouting is actually done.

    Just by appoiting one person as a scout of a team is not scouting plz.

    Umran malik being suggested by irfan pathan isnt really a proper scouting system . That is an example of how the player was in the wilderness and got lucky that irfan saw him.

    No point in aruging as you have no knowledge of nba, nfl and nhl scouting system. Due to ur blind patriotism you will keep on putting forward ridiculous examples and claim ipl as equivalent to north american leagues when infact its not even near


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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    None of them are foreign billionaires as was hyped in 2008.

    Dont think it will be any such case this time. BCCI is just floating names to generate hype. It might not succeed as investors are wary after 2011 expansion fiasco

    in 2011 they managed to sell Pune and Kerela franchises for much higher prices - only for both the franchises to go bust within few years. Kerela team got sold to very mysterious bunch guys who were later accused of fraud. Shashi Tharoor got embroiled in a big scam which cost him his minstership. While Pune team went to Sahara group whose owner spent many years in jail bcoz of fraud

    Regarding the original 8 teams - well everyone in India knows the truth about the Marans and Vijay Mallya. Rules were bent to allow Srinivasan to buy a team when there was clear conflict of interest. Raj Kundra owns Rajasthan Royal - even u know wat that guy is up to . Also Lalit Modi was accused of favoring his cronies while awarding teams
    Foreign billionaires? FYI any foreigner who wants to bid for an IPL team has to do it via an Indian company.

    When Indian billionaires are bidding, what is the need of a foreigner? Most of the IPL owners have a net worth exceeding 1bn usd.

    Kochi was kicked out of the IPL, because of obvious reasons.

    Mallya never owned the team. The team was owned by United spirits, a bse listed company and the biggest liquor company in India.

    What is the allegation against Kalanidhi maran and Sun Tv network?

    No. Rules were not bent. There were no rules that forbid Srinivasan.

    Raj Kundra doesn't own Rajasthan royals. He was a minority stake holder, 11 something percent. Even that has been sold.

    RR is owned by Manoj Badale, Lachlan Murdoch, Amisha Hathiramani and Shane Warne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    IPL 8 owners

    Jindals - accused in coal scam
    Marans - accused in 2G scam
    Vijay Mallya - fled India and facing extradition from UK for tax evasion
    Raj Kundra - jailed for forcing girls into porn shoots
    Ambani - everyone knows them as Modi's pet croiy ( unless u r diehard BJP bhakt )
    N Srinivasan - ousted by Supreme Court
    Sahara group - owner spet several years in jail

    Lalit Modi - fled India to evade corruption charges
    DC is owned by Sajjan Jindal. No accusations against him. It was his brother Navin who was accused and then acquitted.

    No allegations against Kalanidhi Maran who owns Hyderabad team via a listed company Sun Tv network, South Indias largest tv network.

    Vijay Mallya never owned the team. He was the chairman of United Spirits, whose owner is Diageo, the worlds largest liquor company.

    Raj Kundra no longer owns any stake. Once owned 11 per cent in RR.

    Ambani: Asia's richest man. Promoter of India's biggest company, has been the richest Indian long before Modi came to power.

    N.Srinivasan Supreme court only ruled on his conflict of interest of owning a team via India cements as well as being the BCCI president. Nothing else.

    Try harder next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smbhayi View Post
    Happens in other Sports too.. I remember Ronaldo R9 got standing ovation when he scored hat-trick against ManUntd on their turf and knocked them out of the tournament..
    A messi hattrick was given a standing ovation at the Bernebeu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    What is the market for these leagues outside of the US and Canada? How many people do you see following them religiously like they do follow football in Europe. Yes they are great for the US/Canadian market because thatís their thing and the income of residents in these countries in general are very good. Yes India is on the rise economically but I still argue that only a fraction of its population earn enough to follow cricket the way Europeans follow football and the Americans follow basketball, American football, Baseball and Ice Hockey.
    India is on its way to become a 5 trillion economy in this decade and most likely the 3rd largest economy in the world on nominal basis.

    Majority of that population will be into cricket and the economy too will support that ecosystem.

    A 5 trillion economy basically supporting one sport. Thats a lot of money.

    Indian middle class is more than the population of pakistan. Imagine that.

    And no IPL wont surpass nfl or nhl or nba, but it will surely be among them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    BCCI might be rich, but it cant reach the level of NBA or NFL. Those are profesionally runned leagues.. Over there you dont have the political drama that this board said this we wont give their players league contracts.

    Plus, as many indian posters accidentally admitted that playuers before coming to IPL are in wilderness, while in North American leagues they have scouts that starting scouting for players from an early age.
    Pakistanis absence in the IPL is not a hindrance to its value as has been proved.

    If IPL didn't have a scouting system, umran malik wouldn't have played in the IPL. He had played only 1 match for j and k.

    Bumrah was similarly scouted and so was Varun Chakravarty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pakistanis absence in the IPL is not a hindrance to its value as has been proved.

    If IPL didn't have a scouting system, umran malik wouldn't have played in the IPL. He had played only 1 match for j and k.

    Bumrah was similarly scouted and so was Varun Chakravarty.


    You think that one guy discovering someone is a scouting system. Wont even bother arguing with you.

    Scouting is a full system as we see in NBA, NFL and NHL. They have NCAA tournaments from where players performances are kept in check.

    You yourself made a thread that Umran Malik was selected from wilderness. Not my words, those were your words. If a player is getting picked from the wilderness that shows how bad the socuting is.

    In N.American leagues there is no concept of getting picked from the wilderness, you get to be part of a system from an early age, and when you perform you get drafted higher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Again, you guys need to check how scouting is actually done.

    Just by appoiting one person as a scout of a team is not scouting plz.

    Umran malik being suggested by irfan pathan isnt really a proper scouting system . That is an example of how the player was in the wilderness and got lucky that irfan saw him.

    No point in aruging as you have no knowledge of nba, nfl and nhl scouting system. Due to ur blind patriotism you will keep on putting forward ridiculous examples and claim ipl as equivalent to north american leagues when infact its not even near
    Big cities and metros have a top class scouting system. If you are 14-15 and talented school cricketer - u will get noticed. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were known in cricketing circles when their wer 15-16 year olds

    Of course its not as extensive as USA. For rural folks and small towns its still a struggle. That's understandable - India's economy is only fraction of USA. May be 10 years when India's GDP is bigger from now it wud be much better

    But still its not like there is nothing. If u are a middle class Indian schoolboy who is excelling in school cricket - u will not get lost any more ( unlike say 20 years back )

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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    Big cities and metros have a top class scouting system. If you are 14-15 and talented school cricketer - u will get noticed. Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma were known in cricketing circles when their wer 15-16 year olds

    Of course its not as extensive as USA. For rural folks and small towns its still a struggle. That's understandable - India's economy is only fraction of USA. May be 10 years when India's GDP is bigger from now it wud be much better

    But still its not like there is nothing. If u are a middle class Indian schoolboy who is excelling in school cricket - u will not get lost any more ( unlike say 20 years back )
    Pravin Tambe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Pravin Tambe.
    Pravin Tambe is freak case. If u wanna cherry pick such cases to highlight ur point, u can always do that

    My point is at a broader level - scouting has improved by leaps and bounds. Its much easier for a middle class school boy to become a cricketer now than it was in the 90s when we wer school kids. Frankly for small town boys like us - becoming cricketer was pipe dream. There was barely any facilities . Now even small towns have cricket leagues where top performers are fast tracked to Ranji team academies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post


    You think that one guy discovering someone is a scouting system. Wont even bother arguing with you.

    Scouting is a full system as we see in NBA, NFL and NHL. They have NCAA tournaments from where players performances are kept in check.

    You yourself made a thread that Umran Malik was selected from wilderness. Not my words, those were your words. If a player is getting picked from the wilderness that shows how bad the socuting is.

    In N.American leagues there is no concept of getting picked from the wilderness, you get to be part of a system from an early age, and when you perform you get drafted higher.
    Bumrah is one guy? Chakravarty? Umran? Venkatesh iyer? They all were scouted and played the IPL. Two of them play for India. This just from the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    A messi hattrick was given a standing ovation at the Bernebeu.
    I get your point but Messi never got applauded ever at the Bernabeu lol. They hate and boo literally every Barca player, even those who play for Spain. Only two Barca players were applauded by the Bernabeu faithful from memory.

    One was Ronaldinho who got a standing ovation once. Another was Iniesta when he was substituted, they respect Iniesta because he scored the winning goal in the world cup final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nobody in these cities cares about their IPL teams.
    Maybe but they do care about IPL overall .

    Did you conduct a survey or something? Thatís a pretty broad statement. So is mine but at least IPLís growth, value and viewership backs me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Bumrah is one guy? Chakravarty? Umran? Venkatesh iyer? They all were scouted and played the IPL. Two of them play for India. This just from the top of my head.
    and the whole point went over your head.

    Just because you selected an 11 or 15 doesnt mean anything about your scouting system.

    Before even botehring to compare IPL with the american leagues always look at their scoutng system. They scout players for 32 teams, and their scouting system is scuceful.

    While India is still stuck in someone casually watching someone and accidentally sleecting that guy and all you praising that person for making that selection. That is not scouting.

    Read about NCAA and the scholorship programs offered in sports in NA.

    India is no where near in sports compared to North America, its ridiculous that people in this thread even tried to compare IPL to NA leagues


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    Quote Originally Posted by NishanKonar View Post
    Corruption is part and parcel of corporate business world wide including sports team owners

    Think of those Arab sheikhs who own City / PSG / Newcastle - u think their hands are clean. Do u know how Roman Abromvich earned his billions. Have you read about sweatshops of Nike and Adidas in Asia

    Little point in pointing fingers at IPL alone
    Recently Red Bird Capital, who own a stake in Liverpool and Boston red sox, bought a stake in RR.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Pravin Tambe.
    Thats because IPL teams donít scout on ďtailuntĒ because some guy hits a couple of 6ís or bowls a couple of balls over 140.

    There is a scientific process behind that. Tambe was a domestic veteran who was having a good patch with the ball in domestics and hence scouted based on requirements for team combos and conditions.

    If everything I said went over your head donít bother to respond. If it makes sense then cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    DC is owned by Sajjan Jindal. No accusations against him. It was his brother Navin who was accused and then acquitted.

    No allegations against Kalanidhi Maran who owns Hyderabad team via a listed company Sun Tv network, South Indias largest tv network.

    Vijay Mallya never owned the team. He was the chairman of United Spirits, whose owner is Diageo, the worlds largest liquor company.

    Raj Kundra no longer owns any stake. Once owned 11 per cent in RR.

    Ambani: Asia's richest man. Promoter of India's biggest company, has been the richest Indian long before Modi came to power.

    N.Srinivasan Supreme court only ruled on his conflict of interest of owning a team via India cements as well as being the BCCI president. Nothing else.

    Try harder next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Thats because IPL teams don’t scout on “tailunt” because some guy hits a couple of 6’s or bowls a couple of balls over 140.

    There is a scientific process behind that. Tambe was a domestic veteran who was having a good patch with the ball in domestics and hence scouted based on requirements for team combos and conditions.

    If everything I said went over your head don’t bother to respond. If it makes sense then cool.
    IPL uses a scientific approach? Umran was selected based on his pace only.

    This what happens when you watch too much fancy cricinfo videos' of Bumrah thinking that their is science involved in selection


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