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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I suspect that @Technics 1210 is being mischievous, but some other posters baffle and sadden me.
    It's just a few though. (Technics, Mamoon Rajdeep) if that is correct? The rest can see that Azeem is telling the truth, may not be perfect but is sincere and not out for revenge.
    Also, if Azeem got some money and didn't give it to charity (which he did offcourse), thats upto him. He has a right to that compensation, and which saint here would say no to money they deserve? Why should he have not taken that. Good on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I suspect that @Technics 1210 is being mischievous, but some other posters baffle and sadden me.
    You know me too well! ;)

    @James The reason why the majority of Azeem's doubters are Asians is because British born Asians have faced far far worse in terms of racism which frankly makes this case look like a summer picnic. I personally find it hard to digest that Azeem was pinned down and forced to drink alcohol. This is a crime within itself and should've been reported at the time. What is also true that living in an Asian community in the UK gives me the insight on how Asians behave and perceive towards the 'evil white man'. It is absolutely true that if Asians fail they blame racism as the first cause but will keep quiet aslong as the salary arrives every month.

    Casual racism (which what this case is) isn't going anywhere, but it's institutional racism that needs eliminating and if this was 30 years ago the current composition of Asians in both county and national teams would be unheard of and unthinkable. UK has made great progress.

    As for Vaughan, he is absolutely correct, what he said wasn't racist.

    Azeem is a lucky guy, he arrived in the UK at 10, had a career in cricket for over 10 years and achieved more that what most Asian cricketers could ever dream of. So lucky he is I doubt he's ever faced the true horrors of racism in the UK - being chased and beaten up by members of the NF/C18, having fire bottles thrown at your door, or bricks through the home windows, GBH on the way home from school, knifed, kidnapped, discrimination at School and offices. Azeem's just been a victim of verbal racism which is why the is Asian doubters are effectively telling to man up cos he ain't experienced what the rest of did during the 70s/80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    You know me too well! ;)

    @James The reason why the majority of Azeem's doubters are Asians is because British born Asians have faced far far worse in terms of racism which frankly makes this case look like a summer picnic. I personally find it hard to digest that Azeem was pinned down and forced to drink alcohol. This is a crime within itself and should've been reported at the time. What is also true that living in an Asian community in the UK gives me the insight on how Asians behave and perceive towards the 'evil white man'. It is absolutely true that if Asians fail they blame racism as the first cause but will keep quiet aslong as the salary arrives every month.

    Casual racism (which what this case is) isn't going anywhere, but it's institutional racism that needs eliminating and if this was 30 years ago the current composition of Asians in both county and national teams would be unheard of and unthinkable. UK has made great progress.

    As for Vaughan, he is absolutely correct, what he said wasn't racist.

    Azeem is a lucky guy, he arrived in the UK at 10, had a career in cricket for over 10 years and achieved more that what most Asian cricketers could ever dream of. So lucky he is I doubt he's ever faced the true horrors of racism in the UK - being chased and beaten up by members of the NF/C18, having fire bottles thrown at your door, or bricks through the home windows, GBH on the way home from school, knifed, kidnapped, discrimination at School and offices. Azeem's just been a victim of verbal racism which is why the is Asian doubters are effectively telling to man up cos he ain't experienced what the rest of did during the 70s/80s.

    Give over man. Just because you grew up in an era where NF/C18 was around, doesn't mean verbal abuse is ok today. Don't try and pass yourself off as some inside expert on the Asian community by claiming "all Asians" cry racism then keep quiet when the salary comes in every month. It's precisely that type of casual racist comment which belies your own inferiority complex.

    You had a mollycoddled existence growing up in an Asian community, you are in no place to comment about the wider experience. Try growing up in a white council estate where you would get dogs set on you walking through the streets. Just because you think casual racism is ok because that was your childhood, doesn't mean that today's generation should have to feel like second class citizens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Give over man. Just because you grew up in an era where NF/C18 was around, doesn't mean verbal abuse is ok today. Don't try and pass yourself off as some inside expert on the Asian community by claiming "all Asians" cry racism then keep quiet when the salary comes in every month. It's precisely that type of casual racist comment which belies your own inferiority complex.

    You had a mollycoddled existence growing up in an Asian community, you are in no place to comment about the wider experience. Try growing up in a white council estate where you would get dogs set on you walking through the streets. Just because you think casual racism is ok because that was your childhood, doesn't mean that today's generation should have to feel like second class citizens.
    Liar. Where did I say causal racism is ok? Cite me, I dare you.

    Given you are ashamed of your heritage, the false accusations are no surprise.

    Of course you don’t not deny the racism of the 70s/80s, which proves my point on many levels.
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    What Vaughan said could be banter depending on the context.

    I grew up in an area where Asians were a small minority. White friends make jokes about Asian culture, I then return with similar jokes about theirs. This is normal in English humour.

    It becomes different when its only a one way joke, along with those joking with you are coming from poor intentions.

    The key is discrimination or outward racist words/slurs.

    Unless there are other examples, its unfair to tarnish Vaughan as a racist.


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    Dont get personal with each other and stay on topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    What Vaughan said could be banter depending on the context.

    I grew up in an area where Asians were a small minority. White friends make jokes about Asian culture, I then return with similar jokes about theirs. This is normal in English humour.

    It becomes different when its only a one way joke, along with those joking with you are coming from poor intentions.

    The key is discrimination or outward racist words/slurs.

    Unless there are other examples, its unfair to tarnish Vaughan as a racist.
    Thing is, that's an almost impossible line for someone to walk without falling on the wrong side of it occasionally.

    I suspect you are right in that Vaughan felt he had a good relationship with perhaps some of the players he was talking to and made the comment in the spirit you suggest, almost to indicate to those he didn't know as well that "I'm cool, me and player X & Y can joke about this stuff"...

    But clearly Vaughan was blind to the undercurrents these guys were feeling and being exposed to at the time/previous so it probably went down like a lead balloon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Liar. Where did I say causal racism is ok? Cite me, I dare you.

    Given you are ashamed of your heritage, the false accusations are no surprise.

    Of course you don’t not deny the racism of the 70s/80s, which proves my point on many levels.
    I asked you previously to give examples of me being ashamed of my heritage, since you made that claim first, please provide at least one, then we can get round to your own demands re 'causal' racism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Thing is, that's an almost impossible line for someone to walk without falling on the wrong side of it occasionally.

    I suspect you are right in that Vaughan felt he had a good relationship with perhaps some of the players he was talking to and made the comment in the spirit you suggest, almost to indicate to those he didn't know as well that "I'm cool, me and player X & Y can joke about this stuff"...

    But clearly Vaughan was blind to the undercurrents these guys were feeling and being exposed to at the time/previous so it probably went down like a lead balloon.

    It was not a malicious comment. It was an attempt at humour.

    English humour involves a lot of poking fun at others, especially when there is a power dynamic. From my experience they are not as humorous when the shoe is on the other foot and they are being made fun of e.g. try to make fun of their queen or obsession with world wars / military and you will see the response you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    What Vaughan said could be banter depending on the context.

    I grew up in an area where Asians were a small minority. White friends make jokes about Asian culture, I then return with similar jokes about theirs. This is normal in English humour.

    It becomes different when its only a one way joke, along with those joking with you are coming from poor intentions.

    The key is discrimination or outward racist words/slurs.

    Unless there are other examples, its unfair to tarnish Vaughan as a racist.
    If Vaughan is really innocent, you would have thought at least one of the four Asian cricketers involved would have come to his defence. Instead 3 of the 4 have corroborated the story. I get that it might have been banter, but if it was, why are none of them saying that? There are obviously some ill feelings there, banter or not.


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    A lot of white knights (they know who they are) in this thread have been exposed and humiliated after Rafiq’s anti-Semitic texts.

    Rafiq owes these people an apology. He has let them down and humiliated them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    A lot of white knights (they know who they are) in this thread have been exposed and humiliated after Rafiq’s anti-Semitic texts.

    Rafiq owes these people an apology. He has let them down and humiliated them.
    I think a message here and there is nothing compared to what Azeem went through for many years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    If Vaughan is really innocent, you would have thought at least one of the four Asian cricketers involved would have come to his defence. Instead 3 of the 4 have corroborated the story. I get that it might have been banter, but if it was, why are none of them saying that? There are obviously some ill feelings there, banter or not.
    In that huddle there must have been 11 players:

    Vaughan
    4 Asian lads
    And 6 others

    None of the 6 have yet defended Vaughan which I'm guessing he is waiting for.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    If Vaughan is really innocent, you would have thought at least one of the four Asian cricketers involved would have come to his defence. Instead 3 of the 4 have corroborated the story. I get that it might have been banter, but if it was, why are none of them saying that? There are obviously some ill feelings there, banter or not.
    I really wonder what life experiences people on this forum have had. Now ignoring our resident troll nut case, the others just seem to be I denial that racism doesn't exist because they live a happy life and that since its not something they face daylight day out azeem must be a liar..its nonsensical.

    There is a big difference between being chased by the nf in the 70's and modern institutional racism. At least you know the nf are out to get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Thing is, that's an almost impossible line for someone to walk without falling on the wrong side of it occasionally.

    I suspect you are right in that Vaughan felt he had a good relationship with perhaps some of the players he was talking to and made the comment in the spirit you suggest, almost to indicate to those he didn't know as well that "I'm cool, me and player X & Y can joke about this stuff"...

    But clearly Vaughan was blind to the undercurrents these guys were feeling and being exposed to at the time/previous so it probably went down like a lead balloon.
    Exactly, not everyone was aware of the extreme bullying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    If Vaughan is really innocent, you would have thought at least one of the four Asian cricketers involved would have come to his defence. Instead 3 of the 4 have corroborated the story. I get that it might have been banter, but if it was, why are none of them saying that? There are obviously some ill feelings there, banter or not.
    They may have assumed Vaughan was joining in on the bullying of Azeem.


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    Former England captain Michael Vaughan will not be involved in the BBC's coverage of the Ashes in Australia.

    Vaughan was named in Yorkshire's report into Azeem Rafiq's claims of racism during his time at the club.

    The 47-year-old, who was stood down from his BBC Radio 5 Live show earlier in November, will also not be involved in the BBC's "wider coverage of the sport at the moment".

    Vaughan has repeatedly denied the allegation made against him.

    England will play five Tests against Australia, with the first starting on 8 December in Brisbane.

    Vaughan joined the BBC's Test Match Special radio team as a summariser in 2009.

    "While he is involved in a significant story in cricket, for editorial reasons we do not believe that it would be appropriate for Michael Vaughan to have a role in our Ashes team or wider coverage of the sport at the moment," said a BBC statement.

    "We require our contributors to talk about relevant topics and his involvement in the Yorkshire story represents a conflict of interest."

    BBC
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    The issue here is how does Vaughan prove he didn't say what he is alleged to have said.

    Really tough situation when a few people are saying you made a comment but nobody has backed you up with your version of events.



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    He will not work in the British media again.

    Should have come clean and put his hand up.

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    Vaughan is the biggest loser from the events of the last couple of weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    He will not work in the British media again.

    Should have come clean and put his hand up.
    It may have been banter at the time, smiling but he should have admitted it and put his hands up. Sorry to cause offence.

    By lying he blew it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    He will not work in the British media again.

    Should have come clean and put his hand up.
    I think it's a bit early to say that just yet.

    Plenty of ways this story can unfold as yet.



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    MV has dug himself into a very deep hole.

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    I'm pretty sure he'll be back in the media. This is just gesturing, everything calms down by next year. Has any one read the points from the ecb meeting? It's tick boxing on steroids.

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    Memory man Rafiq had totally forgotten about his own racist past to the point that his racist posts were still in the public domain all most 48 hours after his amateur dramatics at the DCMS committee...

    But bizarrely, he can remember a comment Vaughan is alleged to have made!

    I for one don't believe most of what he says...he's drunk his career away, is on a huge guilt trip since God miraculously entered his life, but the now "practicing Muslim" has no qualms about lying through his back teeth...

    Anybody who's ever upset him has been named and shamed with cock and bull stories being attributed to each to build up his case, even his own former best mate, who he's never forgiven for having the audacity to drop him, hasn't been spared from his wrath.

    As they say, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    But bizarrely, he can remember a comment Vaughan is alleged to have made!

    I for one don't believe most of what he says
    You haven't outright said what you believe in this particular case, so I may as well ask.

    Do you think Rafiq made up what Vaughan said? If so, does that also make Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and Adil Rashid liars? Did those 3 collude to lie together, or did the other 2 just tag along even though they didn't actually remember?

    Genuinely asking what you believe.


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    Michael Vaughan Disappointed as BBC Removes Former England Captain From The Ashes Coverage

    London, Nov 24: BBC has announced on Friday that former England captain Michael Vaughan has been removed from the BBC coverage panel for the upcoming Ashes series between Australia and England.

    The decision came after the Englishman was involved in the racism controversy involving former Yorkshire player Azeem Rafiq.

    “While he is involved in a significant story in cricket, for editorial reasons we do not believe that it would be appropriate for Vaughan to have a role in our Ashes team or wider coverage of the sport at the moment,” the BBC said in a statement.

    “We require our contributors to talk about relevant topics and his involvement in the Yorkshire story represents a conflict of interest.”

    Vaughan has “categorically” denied making the remark and claimed his reputation is being “trashed unfairly”.

    Responding to the BBC’s decision, Vaughan said he is “very disappointed not to be commentating for TMS on the Ashes and will miss working with great colleagues and friends”.

    He added that he is “looking forward to being behind the mic for @foxcricket in Australia”.

    “The issues facing cricket are bigger than any individual case and I want to be part of the solution, listening, educating myself, and helping to make it a more welcoming sport for all,” Vaughan said on Instagram.

    The 47-year-old, who was stood down from his BBC Radio 5 Live show earlier in November, will also not be involved in the BBC’s “wider coverage of the sport at the moment”.

    Vaughan has repeatedly denied the allegation made against him. England will play five Tests against Australia, with the first starting on 8 December in Brisbane. He joined the BBC’s Test Match Special radio team in 2009.

    Vaughan wrote in his Daily Telegraph column that he “totally denies” making the comment.

    In a statement made earlier in November, Vaughan said, “I categorically deny saying the words attributed to me by Azeem Rafiq and want to re-state this publicly because the ‘you lot’ comment simply never happened.

    “It is extremely upsetting that this completely false accusation has been made against me by a former team-mate, apparently supported by two other players.”

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...verage-1006702

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    Cricket analyst known for his roles on channel 4 and channel 5 in the UK Simon Hughes has been released from his contract with the cricketer magazine for his comments on trying to justify Ballance P**i slur.

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    BT Sport is reviewing plans to use Fox Sports commentary for its coverage of this winter's Ashes series.

    Former England captain Michael Vaughan is currently part of the Australian broadcaster's team.

    He was named in Yorkshire's report into Azeem Rafiq's claims of racism at the club, but has repeatedly denied the allegation made against him.

    On Wednesday the BBC said Vaughan would not be part of its coverage for the five-Test series in Australia.

    BT Sport holds the UK TV rights for the Ashes between England and Australia and had planned to take the audio feed from Fox Sports, one of the Australian rights holders.

    BT Sport said the recent report into the Yorkshire racism scandal was "extremely disappointing" and a "concern for all".

    "Given these recent events, we are reviewing and discussing our commentary plans with Cricket Australia," a statement read.

    The first Test begins on 8 December in Brisbane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebat View Post
    You haven't outright said what you believe in this particular case, so I may as well ask.

    Do you think Rafiq made up what Vaughan said? If so, does that also make Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and Adil Rashid liars? Did those 3 collude to lie together, or did the other 2 just tag along even though they didn't actually remember?

    Genuinely asking what you believe.
    Vaughan is not the most popular man in Yorkshire...fact...quite possible that Rashid, along with a host of others, has a beef with him.

    I find it odd, considering he was at Yorkshire for much of the time that Rafiq was, and given the fact that Rafiq has referenced incidents involving him to support his claims of institutional racism including the alledged treatment of Rashid by YCCC following the death of his grandmother, that he has only come forward to support him on one particular point.

    Rashid is in a position to corroborate much of what Rafiq has said but thus far has only stuck his head above the parapet to incriminate Vaughan.

    I don't believe much of what Rafiq has said, some of it is downright lies, coupled with fabrications and half truths concocted after being dropped from the team back in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebat View Post
    You haven't outright said what you believe in this particular case, so I may as well ask.

    Do you think Rafiq made up what Vaughan said? If so, does that also make Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and Adil Rashid liars? Did those 3 collude to lie together, or did the other 2 just tag along even though they didn't actually remember?

    Genuinely asking what you believe.
    References to Adil Rashid in Rafiq's statement, including outing him as a former drinker. As I've said, Rashid has not commented on any of these far more serious alleagtions, but has chosen to publicly comment on the alleged Vaughan comment, perhaps in future he will...

    Adil Rashid, Ajmal Shazad and I would often be referred to as “you lot” and asked to go and
    sit separately from the rest of the majority white team, isolating us and singling us out as the
    other

    All Asian players (with non-English names) were referred to by the same, generic English
    name. For example, we were all called “Kevin”
    At different times, Adil Rashid and I were both accused by fellow players of “faking injuries”,
    an accusation I had never heard levelled at white British players.
    Adil Rashid was branded “ungrateful”, “lazy” and “selfish” for opting out of a match, despite
    him releasing his own statement disclosing personal circumstances for his absence, i.e. his
    grandmother’s grave illness
    The comments from Hoggy towards myself and the other Asian players – Adil, Ajmal and Rana –
    were constant, on a daily basis, and all day, every day. I think he might have thought it was just
    dressing room banter, but we would come in in the morning and he would say things like “you lot
    sit over there” and make us all sit together. He would also call us things like “elephant washers”
    and “****”.
    I just don’t think that we received fair and equal treatment from Andrew, as compared with white
    British players. For example, during the Durham T20 Away game in 2017, I was walking off the field
    with Adil and we were having a general chat about the difference in score. I was asked what I
    thought, and I replied, “I think they are 15 over par” which is a completely normal discussion and
    comment. This was relayed to Andrew by Ian Dews (Coach) and Adam Lyth (Yorkshire & England
    Player), but it was taken out of context. Andrew then decided to question my selection in an
    aggressive and threatening manner, in front of everyone, before saying “why are you walking
    around saying they have 50 too many?” This was obviously not what I had said. I questioned who
    had told him this and wanted to address it so that we could clear the air. I didn’t want animosity.
    Andrew refused to give me further details or an opportunity to resolve the matter, which was the
    norm and would have been offered to anyone else. I left the ground with Adil in a car upset,
    humiliated and terrified about my position in the team. It
    By way of comparison, throughout 2017, David Willey struggled with bowling which cost us
    important games, yet Andrew did nothing but encourage him and praise him in front of the group.
    Comparatively, for Adil and I, even a minor error and we were called out, dressed down and
    insulted.
    By way of comparison, throughout 2017, David Willey struggled with bowling which cost us
    important games, yet Andrew did nothing but encourage him and praise him in front of the group.
    Comparatively, for Adil and I, even a minor error and we were called out, dressed down and
    insulted.
    It was during this time in 2012 that I had been drinking, together with Adil Rashid, to try and fit into the Club culture.
    Adil Rashid insisted that he does not take any formal action at that stage.
    Hanif asked both Adil and I if we wanted him to take the matters we were discussing to the Board. Adil indicated that he would like to see how the season pans out and only if and when things did
    not change, did he want matters to be brought up more formally
    .

    I explained that Andrew had been the same with Adil, but because Adil was in a more powerful position and playing for England,it was all taken out on me.
    I explained that Adil had been spoken about a lot behind his back about is “bad attitude” and
    about faking injuries and now the same things were being said about me
    He told me that he was not surprised that Adil did not want to play and said that he was aware that Adil couldn’t stand the sight of Andrew Gale and would do anything to avoid having to play for YCCC because of Andrew and the way he had been treated. He said, “put it this way, Adil Rashid hates it that much that he is turning
    down playing test cricket because they made it compulsory to play for the county, so he retired”.

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    Interesting that Rafiq himself is now saying that Vaughan's (alleged) comment wasn't maliciouis:

    “It was just a comment. He’s probably forgotten it now, since it didn’t affect him. It wasn’t malicious.”
    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/exclus...vivor-1.523046

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    In that huddle there must have been 11 players:

    Vaughan
    4 Asian lads
    And 6 others

    None of the 6 have yet defended Vaughan which I'm guessing he is waiting for.
    He says he's contacted them and they have no recollection of it...and chancer Rafiq is now saying the comment wasn't even malicious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Cricket analyst known for his roles on channel 4 and channel 5 in the UK Simon Hughes has been released from his contract with the cricketer magazine for his comments on trying to justify Ballance P**i slur.
    Oh, Yosser

    He came from a Middlesex dressing room with five Afro-Caribbean first team players too.

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    BT Sport's Ashes coverage in turmoil just 12 days before first Test as plans to block out Michael Vaughan's commentary are undone by former England captain being contracted to Australian rights holders Fox Sports
    BT Sports don't want the former England captain on their live Ashes coverage
    But BT will be taking audio feed from Fox Sports which features Vaughan


    BT Sport’s plans for their live Ashes coverage have been thrown into turmoil only 12 days before the first Test in Brisbane, due to the ongoing furore surrounding Michael Vaughan.

    As Sportsmail revealed on Thursday, BT are adamant they do not want to use Vaughan following allegations he used racist language towards Azeem Rafiq and three other Yorkshire players 12 years ago.

    But the former England captain remains contracted to commentate for the Australian rights holders Fox Sports, who have agreed to supply an audio feed to BT’s London studio.

    BT remain hopeful that Fox will solve their problem by dropping Vaughan, but have begun to explore other options and are encountering numerous difficulties.

    Sportsmail has learned that negotiations with the other Australian rights holders Channel Seven about taking their feed have not progressed, while BT are also struggling to assemble a team of ex-players and broadcasters willing to work through the night on live commentary from London.

    Experienced broadcaster Matt Smith has been signed up to front BT’s coverage, with former England captain Sir Alastair Cook and fast bowler Steve Harmison providing expert analysis during the lunch and tea intervals. But putting together a full commentary team is proving far more challenging.

    Sky Sports’ coverage of England’s tour of Sri Lanka last winter featured the likes of Michael Atherton, Nasser Hussain and Rob Key commentating off the television from London. But Channel Four took the feed provided by host broadcaster Star Sports after winning the rights for England’s tour of India later in the winter.

    BT may not have that option due to the Vaughan issue, but also lack a permanent cricket staff to do the job remotely so are attempting to recruit freelancers and ex-players. The timing of the delayed series has not helped matters, with many people reluctant to work overnight in the run-up to Christmas and the New Year — particularly with five Tests to take place in only seven weeks.

    Vaughan has categorically denied that he said ‘too many of you lot, we need to do something about it’ to Rafiq before a Twenty20 Cup match in 2009. He insisted this week that he was looking forward to travelling to Australia to work for Fox after being stood down by the BBC.

    ‘Very disappointed not to be commentating for TMS (Test Match Special) on the Ashes and will miss working with great colleagues and friends, but looking forward to being behind the mic for @foxcricket in Australia,’ Vaughan posted on Instagram.

    ‘The issues facing cricket are bigger than any individual case and I want to be part of the solution, listening, educating myself and helping to make it a more welcoming sport for all.’

    The ECB have suffered an embarrassment as they prepare to announce a new 12-point diversity action plan today — with the sudden resignation of Leicestershire chair Mehmooda Duke.

    The lawyer is the only female chair among the 18 first-class counties and one of only two people of colour in such roles, with her departure an untimely blow for the ECB as they seek to tackle the chronic lack of diversity in the sport.

    Duke was due to step down next March but has opted to go immediately and appeared to take aim at ECB chief executive Tom Harrison in her resignation statement.

    ‘Cricket has been torn apart by recent events and I am deeply saddened by the hurt felt by individuals within our game,’ she said.

    ‘With fresh leadership at national level and with a determination to learn from the recent past, I hope that racism will be expunged from the dressing rooms, the fields and the game as a whole, allowing us to celebrate the diversity which makes cricket and sport in this country so great.’

    Source: Mail.

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    Former England captain Michael Vaughan says he is "sorry for all the hurt" Azeem Rafiq has gone through during the Yorkshire racism scandal.

    Vaughan was named in the Yorkshire report by ex-team-mate Rafiq, who alleged he made a racist comment to a group of Asian players.

    In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC, Vaughan continued to deny the claim and said he never made racist comments while at Yorkshire.

    But he admitted his regret at some tweets he had sent in the past.

    "It hurts deeply, hurts me that a player has gone through so much be treated so badly at the club that I love," Vaughan said.

    "I have to take some responsibility for that because I played for Yorkshire County Cricket Club for 18 years and if in any way shape or form I'm responsible for any of his hurt, I apologise for that."

    Asked if he ever made any racist comments during his time at Yorkshire, he said: "No I didn't. No."

    Vaughan captained England in Tests between 2003 and 2008. He played his entire domestic career at Yorkshire - between 1993 and 2009 - before becoming a summariser on BBC Test Match Special.

    In the interview with BBC Breakfast's Dan Walker, Vaughan, who will not be part of the BBC's Ashes coverage this winter, said:

    Cricket had a problem with racism it needed to accept.
    He had never heard racist language used in the dressing room but had heard things that "are not acceptable now".
    He would "love" to play a part in helping Yorkshire move forward, alongside Rafiq.
    He hoped to return to commentating with the BBC next year.
    On the alleged racist incident
    Rafiq alleged Vaughan said "too many of you lot, we need to do something about it" to him and three other players during match for Yorkshire in 2009.

    Rafiq's account was supported by former Pakistan bowler Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and England leg-spinner Adil Rashid, who said they heard the comment.

    The fourth player in the group - bowler Ajmal Shahzad - previously told the Daily Mail he had no recollection of the event and "the senior guys were really good to me".

    Vaughan, who did not participate with the original independent investigation, said he did not remember the incident or recognise the words it is claimed he used.

    "I just remember it clearly that I was proud as punch that we had four Asian players representing Yorkshire County Cricket Club," he said.

    "Nothing but a proud, senior, old pro just about to retire and absolutely delighted that Yorkshire had come so far in my time at the club."

    Speaking in front of MPs, Rafiq claimed Vaughan might not remember the incident because "it doesn't mean anything to him".

    "That hurts because I've always felt that every single team that I've been involved in, the biggest praise I've got as England captain for six years was that I was the kind of person that really galvanised the group," Vaughan said.

    "I always felt that I was the person in the dressing room that really wanted everyone to feel included."

    Asked if Rafiq, Rashid and Naved were lying, he said: "The problem with this situation is that we've got too much 'he said, he said, she said, did they say' and I think we've got to move on from accusations of conversations from many years ago.

    "There's a bigger picture here."

    Vaughan embarrassed by historic tweets

    Historical Twitter posts by Vaughan have been widely shared on social media in the recent weeks.

    In 2010 he tweeted "Not many English people live in London… I need to learn a new language" and in 2017, following the Manchester Arena bombing, he answered "yes" to a question whether England all-rounder Moeen Ali should ask Muslims if they are terrorists.

    Vaughan said he was embarrassed by the tweets and was now a different person.

    "I apologise deeply to anyone that I've offended with those tweets," Vaughan said.

    "Times have moved on and I regret those tweets. We all make mistakes and in my life I've made quite a few mistakes on Twitter, I apologise for that."

    Walker: Does it embarrass you when read back those tweets?

    Vaughan: Yes.

    Walker: And you feel you're a different person now...

    Vaughan: Absolutely.

    Yorkshire players have also been criticised for referring to India batter Cheteshwar Pujara as "Steve" - something Vaughan brought up on air in 2018, saying "Steve as they call him in Yorkshire because they can't pronounce his first name".

    "Clearly we're in different times now," Vaughan said.

    "That was three years ago - that's how much times have moved on in the three years.

    "So when you start talking 12 years, 15 years, 20 years, everything is moving so quickly.

    "We're in that that situation now for the game, sporting dressing rooms not just cricket dressing rooms, where everyone needs to be educated."

    'I heard things you would not consider acceptable now'

    Rafiq, who a report found was victim of "racial harassment and bullying" while at Yorkshire between 2008 and 2018, told a committee of MPs English cricket is "institutionally racist".

    He said racist language, including terms aimed at his and others' Pakistani heritage, was used "constantly" and "never stamped out" during his time at Yorkshire.

    Vaughan, who retired during Rafiq's second season as a professional at Yorkshire, said he had never heard racist language used in the dressing room.

    "I heard plenty of things in my 18 years as a player in a dressing room which you would not even consider to be acceptable now," he said.

    "I would say any sports person that's out there from that era that says otherwise, I don't think they're telling the truth.

    "There were things said and back in the day. It wasn't deemed to be offensive. It would be now."

    He added: "I can apologise if I was involved in anyway shape or form with a dressing room that had a culture that wasn't inclusive for everyone.

    "My recollections are all the dressing rooms that I played in that we were inclusive to everyone. But I'm more than happy for people to come forward and say you know what that wasn't the case."

    Vaughan on his TMS future

    The BBC announced last week Vaughan would not be part of its cricket coverage during the Ashes this winter.

    A statement said "while he is involved in a significant story in cricket, for editorial reasons we do not believe that it would be appropriate" for Vaughan to be involved.

    Vaughan said he "understood" the decision and he and the cooperation are having "ongoing conversations" about his future.

    "I just hope in time I get that chance to come back and the one thing that I've loved more than anything since I retired is talking cricket.

    "I hope next year I can get back working with the team.

    "I love being on Test Match Special and hopefully in time I get the chance to do it again."

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59432187


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    MV beginning to (finally) demonstrate some contrition now and is starting to come to terms with some of his mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    MV beginning to (finally) demonstrate some contrition now and is starting to come to terms with some of his mistakes.
    I was just watching ITV racing opening show. Matt Chapman was saying to Ruby Walsh (who is Irish) that You lot come to Britain and take all our big races. Everyone had a laugh and moved on.

    You lot is a pretty common term used in Britain I think?

    Or are we saying 'You lot' used against Irish is not racist but for Asians it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    I was just watching ITV racing opening show. Matt Chapman was saying to Ruby Walsh (who is Irish) that You lot come to Britain and take all our big races. Everyone had a laugh and moved on.

    You lot is a pretty common term used in Britain I think?

    Or are we saying 'You lot' used against Irish is not racist but for Asians it is?
    Even "victim" Rafiq has now said the comment wasn't malicious:

    "It wasn’t malicious."
    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/exclus...vivor-1.523046

    However, in his ET witness statement he said the polar opposite:

    "At the time, I remember being shocked and thinking, “did he actually just say that?”. I felt so disappointed that I felt sick."
    https://committees.parliament.uk/com...orrespondence/

    Perhaps he lied in his statement, perhaps he's had a change of heart, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    MV beginning to (finally) demonstrate some contrition now and is starting to come to terms with some of his mistakes.
    Disagree. MV is playing to the Woke elitists.

    Innocent until proven guilty. It is a notion that underpins justice in every civilised society and yet, in certain cases, it seems to be overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Former England captain Michael Vaughan says he is "sorry for all the hurt" Azeem Rafiq has gone through during the Yorkshire racism scandal.

    Vaughan was named in the Yorkshire report by ex-team-mate Rafiq, who alleged he made a racist comment to a group of Asian players.

    In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC, Vaughan continued to deny the claim and said he never made racist comments while at Yorkshire.

    But he admitted his regret at some tweets he had sent in the past.

    "It hurts deeply, hurts me that a player has gone through so much be treated so badly at the club that I love," Vaughan said.

    "I have to take some responsibility for that because I played for Yorkshire County Cricket Club for 18 years and if in any way shape or form I'm responsible for any of his hurt, I apologise for that."

    Asked if he ever made any racist comments during his time at Yorkshire, he said: "No I didn't. No."

    Vaughan captained England in Tests between 2003 and 2008. He played his entire domestic career at Yorkshire - between 1993 and 2009 - before becoming a summariser on BBC Test Match Special.

    In the interview with BBC Breakfast's Dan Walker, Vaughan, who will not be part of the BBC's Ashes coverage this winter, said:

    Cricket had a problem with racism it needed to accept.
    He had never heard racist language used in the dressing room but had heard things that "are not acceptable now".
    He would "love" to play a part in helping Yorkshire move forward, alongside Rafiq.
    He hoped to return to commentating with the BBC next year.
    On the alleged racist incident
    Rafiq alleged Vaughan said "too many of you lot, we need to do something about it" to him and three other players during match for Yorkshire in 2009.

    Rafiq's account was supported by former Pakistan bowler Rana Naved-ul-Hasan and England leg-spinner Adil Rashid, who said they heard the comment.

    The fourth player in the group - bowler Ajmal Shahzad - previously told the Daily Mail he had no recollection of the event and "the senior guys were really good to me".

    Vaughan, who did not participate with the original independent investigation, said he did not remember the incident or recognise the words it is claimed he used.

    "I just remember it clearly that I was proud as punch that we had four Asian players representing Yorkshire County Cricket Club," he said.

    "Nothing but a proud, senior, old pro just about to retire and absolutely delighted that Yorkshire had come so far in my time at the club."

    Speaking in front of MPs, Rafiq claimed Vaughan might not remember the incident because "it doesn't mean anything to him".

    "That hurts because I've always felt that every single team that I've been involved in, the biggest praise I've got as England captain for six years was that I was the kind of person that really galvanised the group," Vaughan said.

    "I always felt that I was the person in the dressing room that really wanted everyone to feel included."

    Asked if Rafiq, Rashid and Naved were lying, he said: "The problem with this situation is that we've got too much 'he said, he said, she said, did they say' and I think we've got to move on from accusations of conversations from many years ago.

    "There's a bigger picture here."

    Vaughan embarrassed by historic tweets

    Historical Twitter posts by Vaughan have been widely shared on social media in the recent weeks.

    In 2010 he tweeted "Not many English people live in London… I need to learn a new language" and in 2017, following the Manchester Arena bombing, he answered "yes" to a question whether England all-rounder Moeen Ali should ask Muslims if they are terrorists.

    Vaughan said he was embarrassed by the tweets and was now a different person.

    "I apologise deeply to anyone that I've offended with those tweets," Vaughan said.

    "Times have moved on and I regret those tweets. We all make mistakes and in my life I've made quite a few mistakes on Twitter, I apologise for that."

    Walker: Does it embarrass you when read back those tweets?

    Vaughan: Yes.

    Walker: And you feel you're a different person now...

    Vaughan: Absolutely.

    Yorkshire players have also been criticised for referring to India batter Cheteshwar Pujara as "Steve" - something Vaughan brought up on air in 2018, saying "Steve as they call him in Yorkshire because they can't pronounce his first name".

    "Clearly we're in different times now," Vaughan said.

    "That was three years ago - that's how much times have moved on in the three years.

    "So when you start talking 12 years, 15 years, 20 years, everything is moving so quickly.

    "We're in that that situation now for the game, sporting dressing rooms not just cricket dressing rooms, where everyone needs to be educated."

    'I heard things you would not consider acceptable now'

    Rafiq, who a report found was victim of "racial harassment and bullying" while at Yorkshire between 2008 and 2018, told a committee of MPs English cricket is "institutionally racist".

    He said racist language, including terms aimed at his and others' Pakistani heritage, was used "constantly" and "never stamped out" during his time at Yorkshire.

    Vaughan, who retired during Rafiq's second season as a professional at Yorkshire, said he had never heard racist language used in the dressing room.

    "I heard plenty of things in my 18 years as a player in a dressing room which you would not even consider to be acceptable now," he said.

    "I would say any sports person that's out there from that era that says otherwise, I don't think they're telling the truth.

    "There were things said and back in the day. It wasn't deemed to be offensive. It would be now."

    He added: "I can apologise if I was involved in anyway shape or form with a dressing room that had a culture that wasn't inclusive for everyone.

    "My recollections are all the dressing rooms that I played in that we were inclusive to everyone. But I'm more than happy for people to come forward and say you know what that wasn't the case."

    Vaughan on his TMS future

    The BBC announced last week Vaughan would not be part of its cricket coverage during the Ashes this winter.

    A statement said "while he is involved in a significant story in cricket, for editorial reasons we do not believe that it would be appropriate" for Vaughan to be involved.

    Vaughan said he "understood" the decision and he and the cooperation are having "ongoing conversations" about his future.

    "I just hope in time I get that chance to come back and the one thing that I've loved more than anything since I retired is talking cricket.

    "I hope next year I can get back working with the team.

    "I love being on Test Match Special and hopefully in time I get the chance to do it again."

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59432187
    He's lying because the only way to make racist white people like him understand, is to hit them in the pocket. Right up until a few weeks before the revelations he was talking garbage on twitter. 18 yrs at Yorkshire and he didn't hear anything? Of course he didn't because like it has been said by many it was so casual and institutionalised that it was normal. Then they wonder why we support Pakistan lol..

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    Sad that now he seems to say that he can't remember saying it or something like that.
    His tweets kind of show how he really feels about things in society.

    I am all for second chances but to drag it out this long then it looks like a half hearted apology. We all make mistakes so hopefully he has learned and can be given a second chance. "You lot" seems to have been said in a joking kind of way plus others have said a lot worse and got away with no punishment.

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    I wonder why no one has come forward to say he didnt say it maybe its been too long? memories fade except to some who take it too heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    Interesting that Rafiq himself is now saying that Vaughan's (alleged) comment wasn't maliciouis:



    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/exclus...vivor-1.523046
    Casual racism, or "banter" as it's sometimes referred to, isn't always seen as malicious, it's seen as....banter. But as you must surely agree, that still doesn't mean it's acceptable today. Certainly it wouldn't be tolerated on here.


    I for one welcome our new In____ overlords - Kent Brockman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Casual racism, or "banter" as it's sometimes referred to, isn't always seen as malicious, it's seen as....banter. But as you must surely agree, that still doesn't mean it's acceptable today. Certainly it wouldn't be tolerated on here.
    "I felt so disappointed that I felt sick."
    That sounds malicious and doesn't sound like it was casual in anyway...and now he's telling the Jewish Chronicle:

    "It wasn’t malicious."
    The man has lied through his back teeth about a whole host of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricketrenew View Post
    I wonder why no one has come forward to say he didnt say it maybe its been too long? memories fade except to some who take it too heart.
    No one can come forward and say he didn't say it, you can't remember what someone didn't say ten years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    References to Adil Rashid in Rafiq's statement, including outing him as a former drinker. As I've said, Rashid has not commented on any of these far more serious alleagtions, but has chosen to publicly comment on the alleged Vaughan comment, perhaps in future he will...






















    .
    Rashid was always under microscope

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    That sounds malicious and doesn't sound like it was casual in anyway...and now he's telling the Jewish Chronicle:



    The man has lied through his back teeth about a whole host of things.

    Fairly certain JC will have approached him and it can be a naive but not malicious comment. You seem very protective of the defence

    All this is a slap in the face of ECB who've set the precedent with their response to Robinson and the brushing off of Morgan and Buttler being overtly offensive of Indians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    I was just watching ITV racing opening show. Matt Chapman was saying to Ruby Walsh (who is Irish) that You lot come to Britain and take all our big races. Everyone had a laugh and moved on.

    You lot is a pretty common term used in Britain I think?

    Or are we saying 'You lot' used against Irish is not racist but for Asians it is?
    Except the Irish aren't British citizens ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    That sounds malicious and doesn't sound like it was casual in anyway...and now he's telling the Jewish Chronicle:



    The man has lied through his back teeth about a whole host of things.
    Casual racism.

    You're repeating the same line of argument without grasping what's been said

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Casual racism.

    You're repeating the same line of argument without grasping what's been said
    For a man that's been routinely called a ****, Raffa the Kaafir and has had wine poured down his throat, "you lot" made him feel sick...yeah, right, like I said, a pack of lies from a man who drank away his career and blamed every man and his dog for his own failings, and turned on his best mate in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    For a man that's been routinely called a ****, Raffa the Kaafir and has had wine poured down his throat, "you lot" made him feel sick...yeah, right, like I said, a pack of lies from a man who drank away his career and blamed every man and his dog for his own failings, and turned on his best mate in the process.
    Have you ever followed Yorkshire?. This is a club that discarded Moin Ashraf and persisted with village cricketers though they also let go of Ollie Robinson, ironically.

    Problem with Racism tribunals is you have to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt and Yorkshire payed out to limit the damage ; what actually happened in the tribunal?.

    That said there's been lots of libel on the part of Azeem and this story isn't done. Vaughan has seemingly taken stock but will have his own gripe with the BBC no doubt who are too drowsy to be woke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    Have you ever followed Yorkshire?. This is a club that discarded Join Ashraf and persisted with village cricketers though they also let go of Ollie Robinson, ironically.

    Problem with Racism tribunals is you have to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt and Yorkshire payed out to limit the damage ; what actually happened in the tribunal?.

    That said there's been lots of libel on the part of Azeem and this story isn't done. Vaughan has seemingly taken stock but will have his own gripe with the BBC no doubt who are too drowsy to be woke.
    I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're on about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    Have you ever followed Yorkshire?
    No, despite living on Headingley's doorstep I've never had the slightest bit of interest in Yorkshire.

    I've been there many a time though over the years to watch Pakistan play, and I was there in 1983 when Graeme Wood was knocked unconscious by a vicious Holding bouncer.

    Unfortunately, I can't make head nor tail of the rest of your post.



    The only cricket team I'm interested in is Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK View Post
    That sounds malicious and doesn't sound like it was casual in anyway...and now he's telling the Jewish Chronicle:



    The man has lied through his back teeth about a whole host of things.
    'sounds malicious' and 'doesn't sound casual' isn't going to stand up in any court of law. Neither is 'The man has lied through his back teeth about a whole host of things.' which is just your opinion.

    No wonder you wear a mask as your avatar, subterfuge is suggested and perhaps instructive.


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    Zero contrition, full self-preservation

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