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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Huge lessons for PCB these.
    How would that help? In football we've seen more coronary issues than we have in cricket, and more so in English football this season than maybe ever in Pak domestic cricket.

    The issue with something like this and many of the cardiac conditions which are popping up now is that they can not be predicted and may be exacerbated in young male/females because they are athletes, whereas in the general population, my patient population for example, it may show up in people who are obviously unhealthy or older.

    There's not much any sporting org can do unless they institute pretty strict health checks before the start of every game and during games. I do not believe that is feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastimasti View Post
    How would that help? In football we've seen more coronary issues than we have in cricket, and more so in English football this season than maybe ever in Pak domestic cricket.

    The issue with something like this and many of the cardiac conditions which are popping up now is that they can not be predicted and may be exacerbated in young male/females because they are athletes, whereas in the general population, my patient population for example, it may show up in people who are obviously unhealthy or older.

    There's not much any sporting org can do unless they institute pretty strict health checks before the start of every game and during games. I do not believe that is feasible.
    Abid Ali case of artery blockage could have might have been avoided, it would have been diagnosed if there was basic check up after every 6 months. My dad had stents before a potential heart attack because he had a normal check up.

    PCB can’t predict anything, can minimise the impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Just saw that, he looks good, no shortness of breath , no obvious weakness. I'm sure he had a stent placement and should be discharge in 2-3 days, ( unless cardiac catheterization shows need for bypass surgery which is unlikely from his looks ) Physically he will be fine soon but will be on blood thinner for six months , so better avoid competitive cricket but will be fine after that .
    I know he will be on statin for probably the rest of his life.

    Not sure if he will placed on beta blockers, if he is, won't that an impact on his ability to perform 100%?

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    He needs to be discarded asap

    We have other options In huraira , shan and imam ul haq and shafiq , even fakhar and sahibzada farhan.

    So he's not gonna be missed

    It's actually an embarrassment his heart condition is caused by being unfit and healthy

    Also 33 yr old he is massive age fudger, he's suffering a disease that effects people in their 40s 50s and 60s how can a 33 yr old have a blocked artery

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLoco View Post
    I know he will be on statin for probably the rest of his life.

    Not sure if he will placed on beta blockers, if he is, won't that an impact on his ability to perform 100%?
    Statin yes but no beta blockers . BB has no role in secondary prevention of heart disease, if echo showed normal ejection fraction ( pumping capacity ), which I'm sure will be normal .
    Last edited by moghul; 24th December 2021 at 22:35.

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    Key is now they get a decent Dr. who will put things in place for the PCB and also important that have medical staff at every game who can manage if a player has a collapse / cardiac arrest which they donít have. This could prevent something like what happened to Muamba or Eriksen.
    I sincerely hope that what's happened raises awareness about such issues and ensures that PCB has the right people at each match and luck doesn't come into saving someone's life.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Based upon checking with specialists:

    Abid can consider himself a very lucky guy. Lucky that he got to hospital when he did and should inshallah be able to play cricket again.

    PCB donít have any previous cardiac screening but he would have had to have had an exercises test to pick up what he had and they donít even do any basic cardiac screening.

    Key is now they get a decent Dr. who will put things in place for the PCB and also important that have medical staff at every game who can manage if a player has a collapse / cardiac arrest which they donít have. This could prevent something like what happened to Muamba or Eriksen.

    Just to clarify, his issue is not same as James Taylor whose issue was inherited whereas Abid acquired over time. Again very very fortunate he got to hospital in time.

    James Taylor had a condition which is called ARVC whereas Abid Ali has Acute Coronary Syndrome.

    Will Abid Ali return to cricket? Answer is InshaAllah but as with all of these things, all depends on his rehab and care.
    There is absolutely no need for presence of a medical staff to accompany him at every game . After his rehab , if everything goes well he will be as health as ever was. All he will need a periodic check up including yearly stress test ( some recommend every two years after 5-6 years if no symptoms ) . Technology has advanced over last 2-3 decades and cardiac condition in Abid Ali's case is easy to manage without putting too much restriction on a patient's life style, activity level and job requirement.

    Yes James Taylor's heard condition was a different case, he inherited a heart condition which can be managed to a certain extend not at normal level.

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    Hope he is managed by a cardiologist who has some experience is managing sportsmen with heart condition and will not put him on medications , without any justification , which will effect Abid's exercise tolerance, a common mistake done by cardiologist , particularly in Pakistan . Safety comes first but unnecessary restrictions on a young person should not be put in.

    I am director of tertiary care Hypertension center here in USA and see all the time young people put on BP and heart medications effecting their exercise capacity, with no justification . Exercise is the main tool for management of hypertension and heart conditions .

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    My father passed away in his mid 30s from a heart attack. He smoked but played sport etc and wasn't overweight. So to those saying it only happens to the older population not strictly true.

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    Pakistan Test opener Abid Ali has been discharged from the hospital, his father confirmed.

    The 34-year-old was forced off the field with chest pain during a Quaid-e-Azam Trophy match and was rushed to a hospital.

    He underwent two angioplasty procedures after being diagnosed with Acute Coronary Syndrome, a Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) statement said.

    According to Abid's father, he is on the road to recovery and is feeling much better than before. "His rehab program is for two weeks and will be checked up in Karachi. The PCB has made arrangements for our accommodation. We are grateful to all the friends who prayed for Abid's recovery," Abid's father said.

    https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/ne...-from-hospital


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    During his treatment at the hospital, Abid Ali underwent angioplasty and two stents were placed in his blocked coronary artery.

    As per news reports.


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    Thought a double vessel blockage meant consideration for (CABG), By pass surgery.

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    If Abid ali were smart he would start investing in moving abroad to coach or coach on an institutional level. Attempting to come back to competitive 5 day cricket is risking your life for a sport

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Thought a double vessel blockage meant consideration for (CABG), By pass surgery.
    No, not at all, double vessel blockage is quite common and does not need CABG, unless there is some specific indication for CABG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realitygaf View Post
    If Abid ali were smart he would start investing in moving abroad to coach or coach on an institutional level. Attempting to come back to competitive 5 day cricket is risking your life for a sport
    What treatment he could get abroad which cannot be done in Pakistan , nothing .

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    There should be increased awareness among the public in Pakistan and also to many in medical community that treatment of heart disease has come a long way. Gone are the days when having a heart condition automatically meant end of world and long term disability. Now a days majority of the people with heart disease spend normal or near normal half life , with excellent long term prognosis .

    Most of the people who don;t do well are those who , due to being in denial or due to being afraid of losing their job keep delaying their check up when they have symptoms until it gets really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salma_T View Post
    My father passed away in his mid 30s from a heart attack. He smoked but played sport etc and wasn't overweight. So to those saying it only happens to the older population not strictly true.
    Very sorry to hear you lost you father at very young age . Smoking and diabetes are the two highest risk factors for heart disease at an early age. But, genetics is also an important factor. You're right heart disease is not the disease of older people only.

    Smoking causes so many health problems , some times I wonder why no country has courage to ban it outright , uh---no one wants to lose revenue .

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Very sorry to hear you lost you father at very young age . Smoking and diabetes are the two highest risk factors for heart disease at an early age. But, genetics is also an important factor. You're right heart disease is not the disease of older people only.

    Smoking causes so many health problems , some times I wonder why no country has courage to ban it outright , uh---no one wants to lose revenue .

    Thanks for that.

    Smoking, sugar and alcohol are the causes of most diseases, then make too much money to be banned or have very strong lobby groups.

    NZ is looking into banning cigarettes so let's see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Very happy to see him making steady progress, this picture is very encouraging . There is no reason Abid cannot be in peak fitness in coming months and able to resume his cricket career. Cardiac treatment and rehab has made tremendous progress in recent years and I hope Abid Ali's care and rehab is being managed by a cardiologist with good experience is taking care of young patients and sportsmen. Old fashioned and wrong treatment can ruin his career. We have many examples of Pakistan cricketer's paid the price of mistakes done by their treating doctors. Harris Sohail is the prime example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Very happy to see him making steady progress, this picture is very encouraging . There is no reason Abid cannot be in peak fitness in coming months and able to resume his cricket career. Cardiac treatment and rehab has made tremendous progress in recent years and I hope Abid Ali's care and rehab is being managed by a cardiologist with good experience is taking care of young patients and sportsmen. Old fashioned and wrong treatment can ruin his career. We have many examples of Pakistan cricketer's paid the price of mistakes done by their treating doctors. Harris Sohail is the prime example.
    There is difference bw operative treatment and conservative treatment, our doctor are damn good in conservative treatment, no worries ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    This is a dangerous way to arrange treadmills in the gym. You can't have the backend of the treadmill stacked against the wall; an accidental fall can cause serious injury. Hope someone notices and corrects the arrangement before anyone get's injured.

    Good to see Abid Ali recovering quickly. All the best to him.

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    Some more information on Abid via media reports:

    He has been discharged from the hospital and since shifted to a hotel where he has begun his post-surgery rehabilitation. He will continue to stay in Karachi, away from his home in Lahore, as he has been advised against travelling as a precautionary measure for two weeks.


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    Abid Ali will depart for his hometown, Lahore, today (Friday) after successful completion of his post-surgery rehabilitation.

    After a two-week long rehabilitation process, the cricketer has now been allowed by the doctors to travel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Abid Ali will depart for his hometown, Lahore, today (Friday) after successful completion of his post-surgery rehabilitation.

    After a two-week long rehabilitation process, the cricketer has now been allowed by the doctors to travel.
    Good newsÖ hopefully he can play again in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Based upon checking with specialists:

    Abid can consider himself a very lucky guy. Lucky that he got to hospital when he did and should inshallah be able to play cricket again.

    PCB donít have any previous cardiac screening but he would have had to have had an exercises test to pick up what he had and they donít even do any basic cardiac screening.

    Key is now they get a decent Dr. who will put things in place for the PCB and also important that have medical staff at every game who can manage if a player has a collapse / cardiac arrest which they donít have. This could prevent something like what happened to Muamba or Eriksen.

    Just to clarify, his issue is not same as James Taylor whose issue was inherited whereas Abid acquired over time. Again very very fortunate he got to hospital in time.

    James Taylor had a condition which is called ARVC whereas Abid Ali has Acute Coronary Syndrome.

    Will Abid Ali return to cricket? Answer is InshaAllah but as with all of these things, all depends on his rehab and care.
    That depends on whether he had myocardial infarction (MI) or not and if he did to which extent.

    I also think that it will depend on how mentally tough he is because will this play on his mind when he steps out for Pakistan.

    But wishing him the best of luck.

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    He says he's feeling better but has not been given a start date to resume playing cricket.

    Worrying times for him and his career.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He says he's feeling better but has not been given a start date to resume playing cricket.

    Worrying times for him and his career.
    I get the feeling he wont play international cricket again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He says he's feeling better but has not been given a start date to resume playing cricket.

    Worrying times for him and his career.
    I think its a bit too early for rt now, most likely he will on dual blood thinner therapy for at least 6 months and can bleed easily with any injury so its a bit risky for him to play competitive cricket for 6 months . After 6 months he will be only on low dose aspirin and statin and will be OK to play cricket at any level in my opinion . He should utilize these six months to improve his fitness. That's my best guess, in a typical scenario without knowing details of his angiogram and echocardiogram report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    I think its a bit too early for rt now, most likely he will on dual blood thinner therapy for at least 6 months and can bleed easily with any injury so its a bit risky for him to play competitive cricket for 6 months . After 6 months he will be only on low dose aspirin and statin and will be OK to play cricket at any level in my opinion . He should utilize these six months to improve his fitness. That's my best guess, in a typical scenario without knowing details of his angiogram and echocardiogram report.
    "bleed easily with any injury"??

    Do explain how a cricket ball which at best will cause a blunt injury and localized hematoma can result in massive hemorrhage?

    The risk is there of course. The risk is also there riding a bicycle or driving a car.

    What is concerning is that as an athlete he had ACS (not sure if he had a blockage, or spasm)...its very uncommon but interesting. If its a thrombus and its already stented, then sure - why not. If its spasm - that may occur again. Sometimes its hard to catch.

    Its not an arryythmia which would have ruled him out of any competitive sport.

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    I think this could be an end to his career.

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    Test cricketer Abid Ali this week began his rehabilitation at the National High Performance Centre in Lahore under the supervision of the Pakistan Cricket Board’s medical team.

    The 34-year-old was diagnosed with a case of Acute Coronary Syndrome after he complained of chest pain while batting for Central Punjab against Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in the last round of Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. The team doctor had rushed him to a local hospital where he underwent angioplasty.

    “As cricket has a second innings, the Almighty has given me a second life,” Abid told PCB Digital as he commenced his rehabilitation at the NHPC. “I cannot thank the Almighty enough that I am sitting here today.”

    Recalling the incident, Abid, who holds a distinguishing record of being the only men cricketer to score century on his ODI and Test debuts, said: “I started to feel uneasiness and pain while batting. It worried me. When the pain intensified, I did some running and also consulted my batting partner Azhar Ali.

    “Subsequently and with the permission of the umpires, I left the field. But as I reached the rope, I started to vomit and got dizzy. The team physio and doctor Asad [Central Punjab’s team doctor] ran towards me, took off my pads and rushed me to a hospital.”

    As he was on his way to the hospital, Abid was unaware of what was unfolding. He had taken the pain that he felt in his chest as a usual muscular one, but it was after the doctors put him under tests that the gravity of the situation unveiled.

    “I was not aware that I was having a heart issue,” he said. “The doctors conducted ECG (electrocardiogram), which did not come out fine. They asked me how I was even walking and told me, ‘A normal person’s heart operates at 55 per cent, while mine was operating a 30 per cent. A valve of your heart is blocked and we will have to insert two stents.’

    “That left me in state of shock.”

    The news of Abid’s sudden illness sent shockwaves in the cricket world.

    Abid’s teammates Hasan Ali, the Pakistan fast bower, recalled: “It was a very sad news for me and I was literally shocked.

    “I have a very close relationship with Abid bhai. We played first-class together for three, four years from Islamabad region. I was very upset and praying for him.”

    Imran Butt, with whom Abid has opened in Test 10 innings and also shared a century stand, said: “It was a shocking news. I share a very special relationship with him for a year and a half now. We did not think it would be such a serious issue. For an athlete to undergo this on field is rare.”

    The PCB’s medical team has put together a rehabilitation plan for Abid to help him in his return to the sport for which the right-hander is eager.

    “The PCB medical team has prepared a rehab plan for me. God willing, I will try to hold the bat as early as I can and start training.

    “Cricket is my life. It is a priceless aspect of my life that I do not want to leave. I am trying to return to cricket as soon as I can … I am hopeful that I will make my comeback [in cricket] in this new life that the Almighty has given me.”

    And he has a message for the fans.

    “I want to give a message to everyone: Health is wealth. My request to all the fans is to get yourself screened regularly. This incident helped me to realise its important.”

    To further improve and enhance the effectiveness of the healthcare at venues, PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja has asked the PCB medical team to set up defibrillators at the Karachi, Lahore and Rawalpindi stadia as well as the National High Performance Centre.

    PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja: “Welcome back, Abid Ali. Many congratulations to you [on your recovery] as one’s life changes after such an experience. It is your courage that you still have a smile on your face. Such experiences are a learning curve.

    “The lesson for everyone is even if you are an athlete and do regular sports, one is not aware of the wear and tear that goes inside the body. The good thing is Abid Ali was saved. He received great treatment and was taken care of. He is a star for us.

    “My message to him is to take things slow, take his time and don’t compromise on his health. My well-wishes are with you.

    “This situation can befall on any cricketer. I have asked our doctors to install defibrillators at our stadiums so that they are equipped and ready to use survival kits, should a situation arise.”
    Last edited by MenInG; 12th January 2022 at 19:27.


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    I guess he had a Aortic Stenosis or Mitral Stenosis. May have been due to rheumatic fever he might have had in some distant past that damaged his heart valve over time.

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    Scary that no proper medical equipment or doctor is available in the grounds if an emergency occurs during a match.

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    " A valve of your heart is blocked and we will have to insert two stents."

    I think he wanted to say " a vein ( artery but laypersons commonly say vein ) of heart is blocked ", not valve, no one puts stents in valve and valve disease needs major heart surgery not stents .

    So his echo showed his Ejection Fraction EF ( pumping capacity of heart ) was low to 30% ( normal around 55% ) and now improving nicely and already 43%. Looks like his EF was low acutely due to low blood flow to heart muscles and if no significant scarring or permanent damage done to his heart muscles , he can improve his EF to normal level with rehab and exercise and he should be able to resume his cricket career. But, if repeated Echo in couple of months showed no significant improvement of his heart's pumping capacity ( EF ) and significant scarring or permanent damage done to a significant part his heart muscle ( which is less likely in Abid's case ) then he will not be able to play competitive cricket again.

    I hope I will see him again playing at professional level cricket. If he is able to play again , he should work on molding his batting style suited to T20 cricket, as T20 cricket would be physically much less demanding but will earn more money for him.

    There are many USA or UK trained cardiologists in all big cities in Pakistan but he is being managed by a cardiologist ( Dr Abrar Sohail ) only trained in Pakistan , hope he is equally good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arif_2021 View Post
    "bleed easily with any injury"??

    Do explain how a cricket ball which at best will cause a blunt injury and localized hematoma can result in massive hemorrhage?

    The risk is there of course. The risk is also there riding a bicycle or driving a car.

    What is concerning is that as an athlete he had ACS (not sure if he had a blockage, or spasm)...its very uncommon but interesting. If its a thrombus and its already stented, then sure - why not. If its spasm - that may occur again. Sometimes its hard to catch.

    Its not an arryythmia which would have ruled him out of any competitive sport.
    Patient are advised to avoid playing contact sport for that duration of time . If a ball at 140 kph hits his abdomen or hit his head ( even with helmet ) it can cause some serious bleeding . I have seen some patients playing club cricket during that time. The risk is gone after 6 months when he will not be on ( most likely ) two blood thinner medication .
    Last edited by moghul; 13th January 2022 at 08:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLoco View Post
    I know he will be on statin for probably the rest of his life.

    Not sure if he will placed on beta blockers, if he is, won't that an impact on his ability to perform 100%?
    I hoped his EF ( pumping capacity of heart ) would be fine and he won;t need any beta blockers but the report showing his EF is currently low and I;m sure he is on BB for the time being . Once he improved his EF to normal , hopefully soon , he will not need beta blockers.

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    The guy has had a lovely Indian summer. (That's an English expression meaning something exceptional right at the very end of summer, i.e. late in your life or sporting career - it literally means lovely weather right at the end of summer).

    The problem is this. He's at an age at which pretty much all non-Asian batsmen (except Ross Taylor) had already retired.

    He could take the risk and return to top level cricket. But firstly, that means taking big risks for very little benefit - he's already at retirement age. By definition, atherosclerotic heart disease is a disease of middle and old age.

    Secondly, he has already artificially inflated his Test average by cashing in against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and the West Indies in his last 5 Tests, raising it to a misleading 49.16.

    In reality, he averages 23.88 against teams in the Top Five of the world cricket rankings, and 64.33 against teams in the Bottom Four.

    So now would be an ideal time to retire, both for his health and so that he can sit on his misleadingly good average!

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    A serial age fudger there's no way this guy is 33 yrs old.

    He's easily 40 + because he is suffering from a disease that starts causing physical effects during that age group
    Arteries that supply the heart, brain, and legs with blood , plaque cholesterol rapidly build up in people between the ages of 40 and 50 years.

    To me he looks around 40 and must have had a very rubbish oily diet throughout his 20s 30s or smoking that lead to fatty deposits and narrow arteries now affecting him in his 40s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    A serial age fudger there's no way this guy is 33 yrs old.

    He's easily 40 + because he is suffering from a disease that starts causing physical effects during that age group
    Arteries that supply the heart, brain, and legs with blood , plaque cholesterol rapidly build up in people between the ages of 40 and 50 years.

    To me he looks around 40 and must have had a very rubbish oily diet throughout his 20s 30s or smoking that lead to fatty deposits and narrow arteries now affecting him in his 40s.
    What you're saying does not make any sense , heart disease is not a disease of middle age people only, very commonly we see pt in their 30s and sometimes earlier have it, particularly in Indian subcontinent . Genetic factors , other than any thing else plays the most important role . I remember a young doctor who was doing residency and was 29 year old died from a sudden heart attack. He was not over wt, was not a smoker, just had bad genes unfortunately.

    I won;t blame him for age fudging just because poor guy has a heart condition , you will many cases of CAD in Pakistan at 34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    I hoped his EF ( pumping capacity of heart ) would be fine and he won;t need any beta blockers but the report showing his EF is currently low and I;m sure he is on BB for the time being . Once he improved his EF to normal , hopefully soon , he will not need beta blockers.
    So being on Beta blockers will impact his ability to perform? am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    A serial age fudger there's no way this guy is 33 yrs old.

    He's easily 40 + because he is suffering from a disease that starts causing physical effects during that age group
    Arteries that supply the heart, brain, and legs with blood , plaque cholesterol rapidly build up in people between the ages of 40 and 50 years.

    To me he looks around 40 and must have had a very rubbish oily diet throughout his 20s 30s or smoking that lead to fatty deposits and narrow arteries now affecting him in his 40s.
    I know at least 2 Pakistanis in their late 20's and early 30's who had Acute coronary syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLoco View Post
    So being on Beta blockers will impact his ability to perform? am I correct?
    Yes, you're right.

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    Some really shocking, biased, and stupid comments in this thread...all we should have done was wish him well and hoping for a quick recovery! Cricket may feel like 'Life' at times to some but it is not, it is just a sport.

    I am not so sure he is worried about some fools talking about his age fudging (just random guesses, no proof), him being in extremely bad shape (we know how PCB have lately been coming down on all players), even someone saying he is actually 40+, and our resident shocker (Mr. J.) claiming he inflated his average by recently scoring against BD and WI etc. on their own soil.

    Really, then why did Pak lose one matchagainst WI and just about won the second one in time? Also, if it is just such a cakewalk, why several teams have struggled to win a test in BD or better win a test series there in last few years? Abid Ali's 133 and 91 was the main reason Pakistan won that test.

    Shame on you all who said any of that...here's to wishing him a speedy recovery and a healthy life whether be in cricket (if he is able to) or outside it!

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