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    Indian mentality Shoaib Akhtar's hyper extension illegal. Bhumras hyper extension Halal. Funny how just because you have all the money in the world, you feel like you can change narratives as per whims and fancies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    It’s very annoying to see him reported because of a bully Moises.
    He didn't get reported because of Moises, some posters need to be a bit more informed before making false statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Played in CPL
    Played in PSL
    Played domestic

    No report on his action.

    Henriques shouts nice throw and suddenly they are investigating his action.
    Henriques had absolutely nothing to do with this investigation, you may need to correct this misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Lab will ask him to replicate his onfield action while bowling different deliveries. This will then be super imposed on his onfield action to check if they tally. Then the degree of flexion will be measured.

    I think thats the process. They detailed it nicely during Senanayeke test in England.
    Thats a good process. Bowler cannot cheat.

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    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    Last edited by MenInG; 19th January 2022 at 10:22.


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    Statement also added to Post #1:


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    KFC Big Bash League Statement: Mohammad Hasnain

    Sydney Thunder bowler Mohammad Hasnain was reported for a suspected illegal bowling action after playing in a KFC Big Bash League game against Adelaide Strikers on January 2.


    Hasnain’s bowling action was due to be tested at Cricket Australia’s ICC-approved facility in Brisbane within the mandated 14-day timeframe and before his departure from Australia. However, after he and others were recalled early by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), it was agreed he would conduct his test at their approved facility in Lahore.

    As the initial report was made during a KFC Big Bash League match, Cricket Australia will review and verify the report provided by the PCB’s testing facility.

    The League thanks Hasnain, the Thunder and the PCB for their cooperation in this matter.


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    Pakistan fast bowler Mohammad Hasnain will undergo biomechanical testing on his bowling action in Lahore after being reported by KFC BBL umpires for a suspect action in his very first appearance in the competition.

    A combination of Queensland's border restrictions and the Pakistan Cricket Board's early recall of players for the Pakistan Super League meant the 21-year-old could not be tested in Australia.

    However, Cricket Australia will retain jurisdiction over the analysis of Hasnain's biomechanical test and will determine if his action is legal or not under the strict protocols set out by the International Cricket Council.

    The ICC will also recognise any verdict of an illegal bowling action, if that is what CA's bowling review group finds.

    That would mean Hasnain, who has already played eight ODIs and 18 T20 internationals, would be banned from bowling during Australia's forthcoming drought-breaking tour of the country in March where three ODIs and a one-off T20 are scheduled to be played.

    However, under the ICC's regulations, the Pakistan Cricket Board has the option to allow Hasnain to continue to bowl in the upcoming PSL, regardless of the result of the biomechanical testing.

    The ICC's 'regulations for the review of bowlers reported with suspected illegal bowling actions' states: "where a player has been suspended from bowling ... their National Cricket Federation may (but shall be under no obligation to) permit the player to continue to bowl in their own domestic competitions."

    Hasnain is understood to have been reported by umpires for an apparent straightening of the arm in some deliveries after the Thunder's game against the Adelaide Strikers on January 2, his BBL debut.

    The 21-year-old had made an immediate impact on the competition when he took three wickets in his opening over.

    Under CA's procedures for suspected illegal bowling actions in domestic competitions, Hasnain was required to be tested at the National Cricket Centre in Brisbane within 14 days and before his departure from Australia.

    Queensland's border rules prevented Hasnain from flying to Brisbane for the test until he had been in the country for 14 days, and he missed the Thunder's game against the Scorchers on the Gold Coast on January 6 for the same reason.

    Cricket NSW had arranged for the biomechanical testing to be done in Brisbane, but the PCB then recalled Hasnain and other Pakistan players Haris Rauf, Shadab Khan and Fakhar Zaman from the BBL.

    That recall took some clubs by surprise, with the Brisbane Heat confirming the PCB had "rescinded its permission" for Fakhar to play out the regular season.

    "Unfortunately, the Pakistan Cricket Board confirmed it had rescinded its permission for Fakhar to play our remaining games, along with all Pakistan players currently involved in the BBL and summonsed him to return immediately to prepare for the Pakistan Super League," the Heat said in a statement just hours before its match with the Stars on January 16.

    CA's regulations allow bowlers that have been reported for a suspect action to continue to bowl until the results of their biomechanical test have been analysed.

    Hasnain played four more games for the Thunder after being reported, although it became widely known amongst players his action was under scrutiny.

    Sydney Sixers captain Moises Henriques told Hasnain "nice throw, mate" repeatedly during a spicy Sydney derby last Saturday in what was Hasnain's final match for the Thunder this season.

    Cricket NSW's head of male cricket Michael Klinger said he hoped Hasnain would return to the club in future.

    "Hasnain was a very popular member of the Sydney Thunder and made a positive impression both on and off the field," Klinger said in a statement.

    "The Thunder fully support his endeavours to clear his action and hope to see him back at the club in the future."

    Hasnain took seven wickets in his five games in BBL|11, with an economy rate of 6.00 and average of 15.71.

    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/moha...tan/2022-01-19


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    A few important bits from above

    That would mean Hasnain, who has already played eight ODIs and 18 T20 internationals, would be banned from bowling during Australia's forthcoming drought-breaking tour of the country in March where three ODIs and a one-off T20 are scheduled to be played.

    However, under the ICC's regulations, the Pakistan Cricket Board has the option to allow Hasnain to continue to bowl in the upcoming PSL, regardless of the result of the biomechanical testing.



    And the Henriques mention:

    Hasnain played four more games for the Thunder after being reported, although it became widely known amongst players his action was under scrutiny.

    Sydney Sixers captain Moises Henriques told Hasnain "nice throw, mate" repeatedly during a spicy Sydney derby last Saturday in what was Hasnain's final match for the Thunder this season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post


    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    Yep watching that in 0.25 speed
    Is pretty damning

    Huge clink before straightening
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    Quote Originally Posted by volcyz View Post
    Yep watching that in 0.25 speed
    Is pretty damning

    Huge clink before straightening
    Hardly damning, looks within 15 degrees. Let’s see what the testing shows

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    A few important bits from above

    That would mean Hasnain, who has already played eight ODIs and 18 T20 internationals, would be banned from bowling during Australia's forthcoming drought-breaking tour of the country in March where three ODIs and a one-off T20 are scheduled to be played.

    However, under the ICC's regulations, the Pakistan Cricket Board has the option to allow Hasnain to continue to bowl in the upcoming PSL, regardless of the result of the biomechanical testing.



    And the Henriques mention:

    Hasnain played four more games for the Thunder after being reported, although it became widely known amongst players his action was under scrutiny.

    Sydney Sixers captain Moises Henriques told Hasnain "nice throw, mate" repeatedly during a spicy Sydney derby last Saturday in what was Hasnain's final match for the Thunder this season.
    Nice to have that clarification. So he was reported well before the Henriques incident, and Henriques was no doubt aware that he had been reported and used it to try and get under his skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You know what I meant.

    Reverse-swing achieved through ball-tampering is cheating. It was the hallmark of Pakistani bowlers like Sarfaraz Nawaz, Imran, Wasim, Waqar.

    All of them had inflated stats because of tampering with bottle-caps in an era where it was easy to get away with it due to less scrutiny.

    There is no room for ball-tampering and chucking in cricket. It is completely against the spirit of cricket.
    No, it was done thru legitmate means of shining one side. The lack of Grass in Pakistan was the factor why balls loose their shine faster in Pakistan. All bowlers need to do was to shine 1 side, while other teams would shine both sides hence they would not get the same result.

    It is a fact that the mechanics of Reverse swing were not known to other teams, there was no need to tamper the ball it just get that on its own.


    Bottle cap was used once in a county match by IK playing for his county.

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    This thread is for discussing Hasnain only

    Other topics to be discussed elsewhere.


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    KARACHI: Pacer Mohammad Hasnain will compete in the Pakistan Super League despite having his bowling action being called out by umpires in Australia’s Big Bash League.

    The 21-year-old underwent a test on his bowling action at the International Cricket Council-accredited biomechanics laboratory in Lahore on Tuesday after it was reported by umpires Gerard Abood and Simon Lightbody during the BBL match played between Sydney Thunder and Adelaide Strikers on Jan 2.

    It was Hasnain’s debut BBL appearance and he finished with figures of 3-20 in four overs in the match for Thunder.

    The test was initially scheduled to be conducted on Jan 19 in Australia, but since he was due to return to Pakistan after the completion of his BBL stint on Tuesday, it was decided between the PCB and CA that the test would be conducted in Lahore only.

    The test result is expected to come out in around 14 days, after which it will be sent to CA. The verdict of the Australian board on Hasnain’s bowling action, however, will not apply to the right-armer within Pakistan.

    Also read: Mohammad Hasnain to undergo test on bowling action after being reported at Big Bash League

    According to Article 11.5 of the ICC regulations for bowlers reported with suspected bowling actions, the National Cricket Federation — Pakistan Cricket Board in Hasnain’s case — “may (but shall be under no obligation to) permit the Player to continue to bowl in their own domestic competitions”.

    “First of all, it is yet to be determined if Hasnain’s action is illegal or not,” a PCB spokesperson told Dawn on Tuesday. “God forbid, it turns out to be illegal, he would still be eligible to play in the PSL.

    This rule, the spokesperson said, is meant to help bowlers reported with suspect actions to work on fixing them in domestic competitions.

    Hasnain is set to feature for 2019 PSL winners Quetta Gladiators for his third season when the T20 league kicks off on January 27 in Karachi.

    Gladiators coach Moin Khan said he found the Hyderbad-born fast-bowler’s action fair and that suspicion by Australian umpires surprised him.

    “Nothing as such has come into the limelight before about Hasnain,” former Pakistan captain Moin said during a TV programme. “But this time Big Bash has closely watched Hasnain and have felt that a tilt is appearing in Hasnain’s elbow. I don’t think that’s the case though.

    “There’s a possibility that some deliveries might have gone wrong. Maybe this has been done to pressurise Hasnain, this happens in the world.

    “Maybe Hasnain actually tried to bowl differently but it is the first time his action has been called out. He has played cricket all over the world and his action looks very fair to me,” the former Test wicket-keeper remarked.

    Hasnain finished with seven wickets in five BBL outings for Thunder at an average slightly above 15.

    Published in Dawn, January 19th, 2022

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1670320/ha...ion-called-out


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    Quote Originally Posted by volcyz View Post
    Yep watching that in 0.25 speed
    Is pretty damning

    Huge clink before straightening
    That's the flicking of the wrist.

    Huge clink? What the hell is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post


    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    Nope, a legitimate delivery and action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post


    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    That's the flicking of the wrist. You are seeing something which isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddaser View Post
    That's the flicking of the wrist. You are seeing something which isn't there.
    Have to disagree bro, he is bending his elbow a little too much for comfort. I believe as he gets more worn down during a match his action would deteriorate into an all out chuck. He needs to work on his action as of now, he shouldn't be bowling till he fixes his action.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Have to disagree bro, he is bending his elbow a little too much for comfort. I believe as he gets more worn down during a match his action would deteriorate into an all out chuck. He needs to work on his action as of now, he shouldn't be bowling till he fixes his action.
    Are you having a laugh?

    How about showing me a still of the bent elbow? At least back up your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddaser View Post
    Are you having a laugh?

    How about showing me a still of the bent elbow? At least back up your claim.
    Go watch the video again and if you cant see it, it doesn't bother me, it is your problem not mine. I really don't care whether you think he is not chucking or if you agree with me or not. I stated my opinion which is; his action is suspect...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Have to disagree bro, he is bending his elbow a little too much for comfort. I believe as he gets more worn down during a match his action would deteriorate into an all out chuck. He needs to work on his action as of now, he shouldn't be bowling till he fixes his action.
    I don’t see any bending of the elbow, please enlighten all of us here with proper screenshots.

    The lad has played international cricket for three years now, and he hasn’t been reported once.

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    Yeah just looks like he is flicking his wrist, not his elbow.

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    Does he bend before or after this still? Arm looks pretty straight there

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    He is not that good of a bowler anyway, and has always been hammered in the international matches, has little to no control over line and length nor possess the bowling IQ...

    Its not like Pakistan is losing a Wasim or Waqar in any case if he gets banned.

    With that being said, the guy has potential, but a LOT of work is needed to be done on him in order to make him a finished product.

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    His action looks fine to me, yes a delivery here and there from many pacers in the world can have a little more bend (Within the limits or around generally), usually bouncers where bit more effort is applied then their usual ones. If every pacer playing international cricket is tested we are going to see varying degree of extension and bent in the arm of the same bowlers which is pretty normal stuff.

    Yes if Hasnain breaches that allowance barrier of 15 degrees on any delivery on continuous basis then that would be an issue however, his action appears clean and if there is a little variation then it wont require to much of effort to improve on that one delivery or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Hyperextension
    And Hasnain isn't?

    Hyperextension when it's an Indian only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddaser View Post
    And Hasnain isn't?

    Hyperextension when it's an Indian only?
    Nah not Indian exclusive, Shoib Akhtar had it..

    And NO not every tom doug and harry will have a hyperextension...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Nah not Indian exclusive, Shoib Akhtar had it..

    And NO not every tom doug and harry will have a hyperextension...
    Right and how did you work out one is hyper extension and the other is chucking looking at a still from a video clip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artaxerxes View Post
    Bumrah’s action is not the ugliest action I have seen after watching cricket for a long time.It is also on the borderline but ICC has instructed umpires not to question any Indian bowler’s action.
    Ugly doesn't mean illegal. Which expert has called his action borderline? So ICC told you before giving such instructions?

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    The ICC should shut down the Biomechanical measurement labs and rely on Youtube vids at 0.25 speed. Its a much faster and cheaper process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Indian mentality Shoaib Akhtar's hyper extension illegal. Bhumras hyper extension Halal. Funny how just because you have all the money in the world, you feel like you can change narratives as per whims and fancies
    Bhai hyperextension is legal. For whosoever it applies on.

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    It's pre-emptive for Waqar & whoever else to be recommending coaches for him.

    We don't even know if his action needs changing.

    What could be wrist flick or angle giving unusual appearance as a 3d limb moving through 3 dimensions squashed flat onto a 2 dimensional image on video, when in fact the motion is fine... precisely why these labs track & record data in 3 dimensions instead of relying on the eye test.

    Hyper-extension, use of the wrist or other things have fooled the naked eye before. I could "see" straightening in Murali- then I saw him bowl with his elbow fixed in place with steel rods and realised he never straightened, just a had a slightly bent elbow throughout and a ridiculous wrist & shoulder flexibility.

    So let's just wait & see.

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    Hope the sooner this is over the better for all.

    Should be tested as soon as possible and make the results public.


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    Agree with Hodge What moses did passed the line on what is acceptable behaviour on the field

    The umpires are there for this sort of issue It shouldnt be upto players to demean or sledge on the field like this

    Hope hes pulled up for it

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    People here raged when toss taylor indicated hafeez chucking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddaser View Post
    Right and how did you work out one is hyper extension and the other is chucking looking at a still from a video clip?
    To me it doesn't look like the Pakistani bowlers' elbow is bending backwards at a rate to be considered hyper extended, however he 'may' have a hyper extension, lets see what the testing shows.. As of now I feel he has an action that is touch and go and heading towards chucking...


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    I think I have to agree with romali on this

    Maybe with his intention to bowl quick , in particular the bouncer his action deteriorates towards a chuck.

    But hopefully the testing clears it up , it's definetly suspicious because in pakistan colours recently against Bangladesh he was horrible pace was down , line and length was all over the shop , but a few months Down the line he's a beast in the bbl and bowling very quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    I think I have to agree with romali on this

    Maybe with his intention to bowl quick , in particular the bouncer his action deteriorates towards a chuck.

    But hopefully the testing clears it up , it's definetly suspicious because in pakistan colours recently against Bangladesh he was horrible pace was down , line and length was all over the shop , but a few months Down the line he's a beast in the bbl and bowling very quick.
    So many assumptions. Lets wait for results.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post


    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    Dude what are you watching? That’s as clean as it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UsmanhailsAfridi View Post
    Dude what are you watching? That’s as clean as it gets.
    Excellent..

    If his action is as clean as it gets, then I am sure he will be cleared in Lahore and will never get questioned again in another country...


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    Henriques has done a horrendous thing. Fair enough if you see someone piruetting on the pitch and point that out.

    But to sit on judgment on someone's action without proof is blatant low life behavior.

    It's like, after Henriques hits a six, someone accuses him on the field of possessing an illegal bat. Let's say the bat has been reported before.

    Yet, there is no proof.

    What a poor sportsman he is.
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    Usually when an umpire reports a bowler for chucking, they state which ball in the over it was bowled in. The article states that his arm straightens in “some deliveries”, well which ones? Tell us? Surely the on field umpires would’ve noted it down whenever they felt he was chucking.

    When Hasnain’s action gets cleared, I reckon he should file a lawsuit against Henriques.

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    Cricket Australia won’t sanction Moises Henriques for an on-field sledge aimed at banned Thunder fast bowler Mohammad Hasnain despite Brad Hodge’s call for the Sydney Sixers captain to be “punished” for a comment he felt was “against the spirit of cricket”.

    Hasnain, the 21-year-old Thunder quick who has played 26 matches for Pakistan, will not feature in the rest of the BBL after CA announced this week the youngster had been reported for a suspected illegal bowling action during a match against the Adelaide Strikers on January 2.

    Thunder captain Chris Green, who went through a similar issue when he was banned in early 2020 for an illegal action at the time, said the club was unaware a close eye was being kept on Hasnain.

    Although the initial issue with Hasnain’s action was picked up on January 2, it was Saturday’s Sydney derby between the Sixers and Thunder where tempers flared.

    After Hasnain sent down a bouncer at Henriques, the Sixers skipper yelled out “nice throw mate” to the teenager, who had thrown a ball back at opener Daniel Hughes earlier in the match.

    The sledge from Henriques was widely reported, putting Hasnain’s action in the spotlight. That didn’t sit well with Hodge, who slammed Henriques on Channel Seven.

    “I reckon that’s wrong from Moises Henriques,” the former Australia Test player said. “That’s against the spirit of cricket. He should be punished for that.

    “If you report the matter to the umpires and they take that into their hands, then fair enough, but you can’t really say that on the field.

    “I don’t see a huge issue with what Hasnain is doing visually. Yeah, it looks like there’s a bit of a bent arm, but we’ve seen one of our best ever that did it for two decades. I think we want to see pace back in the game. If you bowl it at 145 [kilometres per hour] and it’s real borderline, I think let it play on.”

    Given the match took place last week, CA confirmed to the Herald and the Age there would be no investigation, despite Hodge calling for Henriques to face a code of conduct hearing.

    The Sixers and Henriques declined to comment when contacted on Thursday.

    Green was asked on Thursday whether Henriques’ comments, which were picked up on the stump microphone, may have inflamed the situation.

    “I’d hate to think he used that tactic to try and get him rubbed out or banned,” Green said. “I just think it was more to try and upset him and get him to miss his spots because he was accurate. It was a normal sledge that anyone would do. I don’t think that would be a pre-planned thing going into the game.

    “That stuff is said in the heat of the battle. Whether [Henriques] was trying to get under our skin … the Sixers outplayed us completely in that game and Hasnain was our best bowler and has been our best bowler in a number of games he played.

    “For any opposition to look to target him or try and get the upper hand, whether it be without the bat or the ball, I think that is a tactic used.”

    Hasnain won’t be available for the Thunder in their finals match on Sunday, when the men in green face the winner of Friday’s “eliminator” match between the Adelaide Strikers and Hobart Hurricanes.

    Hasnain will have tests on his bowling action at an approved facility in Lahore.

    “We had no clue,” Green said. “To me, he has got a slingy action and slingy actions, there have been plenty of them. He’s just a different style of action. Perhaps that’s what led to it.

    “From a team perspective, from a club perspective and certainly from my own perspective, we just want to stand by him and support him. Having gone through it myself, I know the shock and it threw me. I’ve reached out to him and I’m sure he’s going to be really well supported by the PCB [Pakistan Cricket Board].

    “We loved having him at the Thunder, he was fantastic for us and a great person and great bowler. We’d love to have him back next year hopefully.”

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    If Hasnain Chucks then So did Brett Lee

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    Can we leave other bowlers out of this

    Thread is about Hasnain - there other threads for others.

    All posts need to be related to Hasnain now or will get deleted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by volcyz View Post
    People here raged when toss taylor indicated hafeez chucking
    I thought it's not the batters job to umpire in a match. Now if that has changed, then I stand corrected.



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    Hasnain gave his test at the LUMS Biomechanics Lab at the Syed Babar Ali School of Science and Engineering (SBASSE), which has been accredited by the International Cricket Council.

    The results are expected in about 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Hasnain gave his test at the LUMS Biomechanics Lab at the Syed Babar Ali School of Science and Engineering (SBASSE), which has been accredited by the International Cricket Council.

    The results are expected in about 2 weeks.
    Anyone know why it takes so long to get the results?


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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Anyone know why it takes so long to get the results?
    Lots of analysis, checking, verification I reckon.

    Also the report is complicated. I remember seeing the reports of Mohammad Hafeez a few years ago and they were very in-depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
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    I almost feel sorry for Waqar. He just doesn't realise why nobody has asked his opinion on the matter.

    Pretty sad to see such a great fast bowler reduced to tweeting about a player he spent two years with. Hopefully something clicks and he realises that he needs to stay away from coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    I almost feel sorry for Waqar. He just doesn't realise why nobody has asked his opinion on the matter.

    Pretty sad to see such a great fast bowler reduced to tweeting about a player he spent two years with. Hopefully something clicks and he realises that he needs to stay away from coaching.
    There is a female Pakistani journalist who did ask Waqar’s opinion and this was his response


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post


    Watch from 1:00, slow the youtube speed to 0.25..

    His action is touch and go here trending towards chucking, would really like to watch a slowed down clip of his bouncer..
    From the naked eye, I'd say bumrah action is worse!

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    I always felt his action was clean. felt its a bit shady and very low for heinriques to sledge the young guy.
    Very important that the young guy's confidense does not suffer. as a lover of pace bowling i Hope he comes back soon after the testing, improved and pacier.

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    Hodge “I don’t see a huge issue with what Hasnain is doing visually. Yeah, it looks like there’s a bit of a bent arm, but we’ve seen one of our best ever that did it for two decades. I think we want to see pace back in the game. If you bowl it at 145 [kilometres per hour] and it’s real borderline, I think let it play on.”


    No wonder us Pak fans cry foul, even Aussies knew Bret Lee had a kink in his action when he bowled a bouncer (especially), yet was never called or tested. All this while Akhtar and other Pak players were being reported right, left, and center during the same time frame!

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    As the saying goes : "Never assume, because when you assume, you make a** of U and ME."

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    His action looks fine.

    I mean I really doubt that is over 15 degrees. If it is then it’s borderline at most.

    If he is over then so many other bowlers need their actions tested like Bumrah etc. But of course the excuses like hyperextension is already there for them.

    This is a mountain made out of a molehill. There should be consistency when bowlers are called.

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    I hear is Test was fine, Sarfraz indicated in his press conference that he will be bowling in this years PSL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maher96 View Post
    I hear is Test was fine, Sarfraz indicated in his press conference that he will be bowling in this years PSL.
    That’s because he’ll be banned by CA and ICC if he fails, not by PCB

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    Unless he really bent his arm in the BBL matches his action is perfectly normal, he has played so much cricket that it almost looks like a witch hunt. And if Henriques said it constantly then that is totally out of order.

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    Sarfraz Comments below



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    Quote Originally Posted by realitygaf View Post
    If Hasnain Chucks then So did Brett Lee

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    Alright, so what do you propose - should Lee be a decade after his retirement or should his records be scrapped?

    Or should Hasnain be allowed to bowl if the tests show that he is over the limit because Lee wasn’t caught/tested?

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    Pakistan should look at bowling action of each Australian if they come and play and call them if there is a single delivery from side angle with a 15 degree angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Alright, so what do you propose - should Lee be a decade after his retirement or should his records be scrapped?

    Or should Hasnain be allowed to bowl if the tests show that he is over the limit because Lee wasn’t caught/tested?
    Why do you think that Lee was not tested?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realitygaf View Post
    Pakistan should look at bowling action of each Australian if they come and play and call them if there is a single delivery from side angle with a 15 degree angle.
    It is the umpires that make the reports, and if they are good umpires then they will be looking at the action of Australian bowlers regardless and should call them is they think that there is a problem with their action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsee View Post
    No wonder us Pak fans cry foul, even Aussies knew Bret Lee had a kink in his action when he bowled a bouncer (especially), yet was never called or tested. All this while Akhtar and other Pak players were being reported right, left, and center during the same time frame!
    Perhaps you cry foul because you don't have a clue what the real facts are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    His action looks fine.


    If he is over then so many other bowlers need their actions tested like Bumrah etc. But of course the excuses like hyperextension is already there for them.

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    Its not an excuse, Bumrah has hyperextension. I feel a lot of you Pakistanis are confused about hyperextension and don't really understand what it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Why do you think that Lee was not tested?.


    Ask Hodge, I followed his comments:

    Hodge “I don’t see a huge issue with what Hasnain is doing visually. Yeah, it looks like there’s a bit of a bent arm, but we’ve seen one of our best ever that did it for two decades."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsee View Post
    Ask Hodge, I followed his comments:

    Hodge “I don’t see a huge issue with what Hasnain is doing visually. Yeah, it looks like there’s a bit of a bent arm, but we’ve seen one of our best ever that did it for two decades."
    So where does he say that Lee wasn't tested, these are your words:

    No wonder us Pak fans cry foul, even Aussies knew Bret Lee had a kink in his action when he bowled a bouncer (especially), yet was never called or tested. All this while Akhtar and other Pak players were being reported right, left, and center during the same time frame!
    You claimed that Lee was never called or tested while Pak players were. Hodge never made those claims so why would I ask him?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realitygaf View Post
    Pakistan should look at bowling action of each Australian if they come and play and call them if there is a single delivery from side angle with a 15 degree angle.
    The problem is that Pakistan or Australia do not test bowlers, umpires do. If an Australian has a suspect action, the umpires will call him. You can call it a conspiracy if you wish, but then the problem is that a rubbish bowler like Hasnain with zero achievements is not worth conspiring against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem is that Pakistan or Australia do not test bowlers, umpires do. If an Australian has a suspect action, the umpires will call him. You can call it a conspiracy if you wish, but then the problem is that a rubbish bowler like Hasnain with zero achievements is not worth conspiring against.
    The all time best Indian attack got trashed by SA B team.Hasnain is quicker than Indian trundlers.In another couple of years he would become good.He is not the finished product yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artaxerxes View Post
    The all time best Indian attack got trashed by SA B team.Hasnain is quicker than Indian trundlers.In another couple of years he would become good.He is not the finished product yet.
    Typical Pakistani obsession with pace. Pace isn’t everything. Hasnain and Naseem aren’t good enough to be in India’s B team.

    They will do well if they half the careers that Bumrah and Shami have had in international cricket.

    Indian bowling is far better than Pakistani bowling and one bad tour doesn’t change anything.

    Take Pakistan to Australia now and it will be the usual 650-2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Typical Pakistani obsession with pace. Pace isn’t everything. Hasnain and Naseem aren’t good enough to be in India’s B team.

    They will do well if they half the careers that Bumrah and Shami have had in international cricket.

    Indian bowling is far better than Pakistani bowling and one bad tour doesn’t change anything.

    Take Pakistan to Australia now and it will be the usual 650-2.
    None of India’s pace bowlers right now are good enough to be in any Pakistani limited overs cricket team besides Bumrah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Hasnain and Naseem aren’t good enough to be in India’s B team.
    Yeah we can already see how bright Bhuvi and Co are for India’s first XI. Cant wait to see what their B bowlers look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Yeah we can already see how bright Bhuvi and Co are for India’s first XI. Cant wait to see what their B bowlers look like.
    Naseem and Hasnain are probably not good enough for Pakistan B team but they would be welcomed with Garlands of Roses in the Indian national side right now. Their bowlers are terrible!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Naseem and Hasnain are probably not good enough for Pakistan B team but they would be welcomed with Garlands of Roses in the Indian national side right now. Their bowlers are terrible!
    I think we are being brain washed by Mamoon again. Naseem and Hasnain are talented bowlers who have a future for Pakistan, provided they keep up the hard work and stay fit and focussed.

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