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    Watch De kock casually walk across and nonchalantly get down on one knee and sweep thakur the speedster for 4. Cant believe i am watching the mighty indian side decline so rapidly

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    Indian cricket seems to have completely disintegrated after that 10 wicket loss to Pakistan. So many bad moments after.

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    Max temp 41 C. Must be though in the sun.


    Ki Mohammad (saw) sey wafa tu ney tou hum terey hain
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    KL Rahul has zero leadership skills, Rahul Dravid never took risks in his playing career, so what's the result? A negative minded Indian cricket team where all players are confused about their roles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Why in the world are india playing an odi game with 5 bowlers and 2 iyers. LOI'S are batsmen's game
    Kohli has totally finished our batting culture
    in all forms of the game in his captaincy stint. Has picked so many pathetic batsmen in the XI.

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    Keeper standing up to the stumps for Thakur and Bhuvaneshwar

    Yet IPL fanatics want to tell you it has better fast bowlers than PSL

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    Why is Iyer not bowling if he is all rounder? Did Rahul forget about him for his buddy Pandya 😳 🤔 😬

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    All the kohil/shastri duo haters must be very happy to see Rahul / Rahul duo taking india to bottom of barrel ,eventhough under kohli we didn't win any ICC trophy, under the Rahuls we will not even go to knock out matches 😴 😉 😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by HARKS View Post
    Why is Iyer not bowling if he is all rounder? Did Rahul forget about him for his buddy Pandya �� �� ��
    What's stopping them to play SKY when our middle order looks so weak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Keeper standing up to the stumps for Thakur and Bhuvaneshwar

    Yet IPL fanatics want to tell you it has better fast bowlers than PSL
    Pakistan LOI bowlers are better than all our loi bowlers bar Bumrah and Shami (in odi) to some extent.
    Nowadays you need pace and Pakistan has quite a few 145+ bowlers in lois.
    Indias LOI attack is probably at no. 7 in the world.

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    Shardul is the Only bowler to take a wicket.
    Remove him from the attack and replace him with debutant 6th bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Pakistan LOI bowlers are better than all our loi bowlers bar Bumrah and Shami (in odi) to some extent.
    Nowadays you need pace and Pakistan has quite a few 145+ bowlers in lois.
    Indias LOI attack is probably at no. 7 in the world.
    You have more than enough bowling stock. But bhuvi, Iyer, and thakur are embarassing. I like thakur but he should be your fifth bowler not 3rd. You guys must have some good pacers in the reserves.

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    What a terrible show from India. Absolute shambles

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    People acting as if SA aren't a good side.

    They've shown they can compete if they stick together as a side. They've done that throughout this tour and have shown skill and patience too.

    Good on them tbh.

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    We are getting blanked lol. I understand itís a painful process this transition but I hope we reach somewhere before the WT20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    People acting as if SA aren't a good side.

    They've shown they can compete if they stick together as a side. They've done that throughout this tour and have shown skill and patience too.

    Good on them tbh.
    I do agree, in fact I was one of those guys even before the test series started said that RSA will be a tough tour.

    However, the series was expected to be close. India have very meekly.surrendered in both ODIs which is something not expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    We are getting blanked lol. I understand itís a painful process this transition but I hope we reach somewhere before the WT20
    What are India's options in fast bowling?? Surely u can't have trundlers bowling with white ball on flat wickets these days. I know shami is a TTF. Siraj is also not quick

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    I love Thakur, but he needs to get fit. That first ball four was totally unacceptable.

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    Pant having to do captaincy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    What are India's options in fast bowling?? Surely u can't have trundlers bowling with white ball on flat wickets these days. I know shami is a TTF. Siraj is also not quick
    In LOI i donít think Indian team really cares about ďfastĒ bowling but bowling to some plan.

    Prasidh probably but Siraj can joij LOI if he bowls to plans, not sure why we care about fast?

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    If India loses this then surely some changes will be made in the third ODI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    People acting as if SA aren't a good side.

    They've shown they can compete if they stick together as a side. They've done that throughout this tour and have shown skill and patience too.

    Good on them tbh.
    SA are not as good as the Indians are making them look here....they lost an ODI to Ireland recently.

    Shocking performance by India tbh.
    And this is not even the full-strength SA side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In LOI i donít think Indian team really cares about ďfastĒ bowling but bowling to some plan.

    Prasidh probably but Siraj can joij LOI if he bowls to plans, not sure why we care about fast?
    Because fast works in odis. Hard lengths bouncers, Yorkers. You can have 1 swing bowler but the rest need to be fast and accurate like Bhumrah.

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    This South African tour has given a good reality check on our underlying problems for a long time! (Probably since Dhoni's latter days!) Only good thing that went good during Kohli/Shastri tenure was our test bowling got improved (which was anyways very important). But otherwise in spite of many promising talents/prospects emerging we continued the seniority and groupism mafia! We took IPL more for its financial benefits rather than talent-spotting! (Players like Kishan, Surya, Chahar don't seem to get many chances like Pujara, Rahane, Bhuvaneshwar, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Kohli has totally finished our batting culture
    in all forms of the game in his captaincy stint. Has picked so many pathetic batsmen in the XI.
    Unfortunately true but our heavy relying on top 3 has killed our middle order as well.

    In that aspect I want to say Sachin/Ganguly/Dravid had a better vision for the team where guys like Dhoni/Kaif/Raina/Yuvi made their debuts.

    We clearly need a different approach now, I was hopeful for Sarfaraz to take up middle order with Pant but looks highly improbable now.

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    Could be the last ODI for Bhuvi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    Because fast works in odis. Hard lengths bouncers, Yorkers. You can have 1 swing bowler but the rest need to be fast and accurate like Bhumrah.
    I rather get a bowler at 135 bowling to a plan than 145 trying his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In LOI i donít think Indian team really cares about ďfastĒ bowling but bowling to some plan.

    Prasidh probably but Siraj can joij LOI if he bowls to plans, not sure why we care about fast?
    I dont there's an alternative for pace. No amount of planning can compensate for lack of pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    I dont there's an alternative for pace. No amount of planning can compensate for lack of pace.
    Yes for tests , I kinda disagree for LOI. Iím all for 130-139 bowlers but with a brain.

    I prefer Vaas more than Saini(imo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I rather get a bowler at 135 bowling to a plan than 145 trying his own.
    On flat wickets that dont offer much to medium pacers you need pace to beat a batsman's defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    On flat wickets that dont offer much to medium pacers you need pace to beat a batsman's defense.
    Iím talking about only LOI here.. and lets agree to disagree..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Yes for tests , I kinda disagree for LOI. I’m all for 130-139 bowlers but with a brain.

    I prefer Vaas more than Saini(imo).
    Vaas played in an era where 230 used to be a winning total. Pitches today are not conducive to that style of bowling.
    Gavin larsen chris harris mark ealham would not survive 10 games in today's game

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    Deserved a 100 there good knock irrespective!

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    That's an indication for everyone! A bowler like Bumrah can look dangerous (and can do his magic) only if he is surrounded by properly skilled bowlers! (He did well when others also applied pressure & picked wickets!) Suddenly he started looking ineffective bowler (on this tour) because of team's failure! Similarly even a proper legend like Tendulkar used to look selfish & choker because of the team he had with him (which got sorted only after Dravid, Ganguly, Yuvaraj, Dhoni, Gambhir, Sehwag joined him later on!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Vaas played in an era where 230 used to be a winning total. Pitches today are not conducive to that style of bowling.
    Gavin larsen chris harris mark ealham would not survive 10 games in today's game
    Vaas, Mc.Grath, Kapil, etc, would have definitely adopted to whatever conditions available today!

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    Temba Bavuma has been the difference this entire tour. He's fast becoming a really solid batsman.

    I'm not convinced at all with KL Rahul's batting when he's a captain. You just have to see his stint with Kings XI Punjab in the IPL to know that his batting stalls as captain. I'm seeing a 100% reflection of how he batted as captain in Kings XI as to how he batted today. As captain, he truly believes that he is the mainstay of the batting lineup and that he has to bat the full 20 or 50 overs. That makes him play at a really slow SR that hurts the team. 55 off 79 at 70 SR on a batting wicket is terrible. And what is more terrible is that this guy can score at 150 SR at will if he wants. He's that good.

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    Despite SA being in cruise control, they along with Pakistan retains the ability to completely snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. So this game is still on.

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    Chahal is such a poor bowler. His stats were good till he played supporting role to Kuldeep but has been mediocre and inconsistent since then. The guys bowls too many hit me delivery and is a terrible fielder.

    Shadab Khan and Waninda Hasaranga both are much superior spinners than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    Vaas, Mc.Grath, Kapil, etc, would have definitely adopted to whatever conditions available today!
    Mcgrath kapil were tall bowlers who had seriously ability to move the ball at good pace. Here we are talking about replacements for midget trundlers like bhuvi n shardul

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Unfortunately true but our heavy relying on top 3 has killed our middle order as well.

    In that aspect I want to say Sachin/Ganguly/Dravid had a better vision for the team where guys like Dhoni/Kaif/Raina/Yuvi made their debuts.

    We clearly need a different approach now, I was hopeful for Sarfaraz to take up middle order with Pant but looks highly improbable now.
    I agree. But thats more on Kohli, since he was the captain and had everything going for him which no other Indian captain ever had.

    It's so heart breaking to see our batting trundling to meagre totals in all forms of the game.

    You play 5 bowlers in XI only if you have 5 competent batsmen in the XI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Chahal is such a poor bowler. His stats were good till he played supporting role to Kuldeep but has been mediocre and inconsistent since then. The guys bowls too many hit me delivery and is a terrible fielder.

    Shadab Khan and Waninda Hasaranga both are much superior spinners than him.
    Don't know why they brought this loser back in the team.

    Can't bowl, can't bat, can't field.

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    Ashwin is finished

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Chahal is such a poor bowler. His stats were good till he played supporting role to Kuldeep but has been mediocre and inconsistent since then. The guys bowls too many hit me delivery and is a terrible fielder.

    Shadab Khan and Waninda Hasaranga both are much superior spinners than him.
    Ashwin has been worse today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    Ashwin has been worse today
    Only becoz chahal did not bowl in the powerplay.

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    India get mauled again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Vaas played in an era where 230 used to be a winning total. Pitches today are not conducive to that style of bowling.
    Gavin larsen chris harris mark ealham would not survive 10 games in today's game
    Tsotsobe, Kyle Mills and Nathan Bracken were very good bowlers and had no pace whatsoever. Bowled around 126-132k/ph. They used height and variation well.

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    This is Zimbabwe level team from South Africa and we are finding it hard to beat them. Time to increase the number of matches in IPL so that they can master the art of beating minnow teams at international level.

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    How many games before 27 year old veteran Iyer dropped for 28 year old youngster and power hitter Hardik Pandya?

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    Bhuvenshar looks done, am surprised India are sticking with him. He was out of form in the IPL and even then he was picked for the T-20 WC, i am pretty certain India has better options than him.

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    India struggling against SA C team, wonder what's happened in such a short space of time, surely 152-0 couldnt have affected them that badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    Ashwin has been worse today
    All our spinners are lolworthy in LOIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Bhuvenshar looks done, am surprised India are sticking with him. He was out of form in the IPL and even then he was picked for the T-20 WC, i am pretty certain India has better options than him.
    There are many players who are on last legs in this team. Dhawan, Kohli, Ashwin and Bhuvi.

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    I'm surprised by how competitive we've been this series, I expected India to blow us away as in 2018 especially their spinners. This surface is dry/slow and flat yet we've handled them decently compared to 2018. Have we improved or has India regressed? That series was the most one sided I've seen between two top teams, we were at sea and could barely register 200. What's going on?

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    Most unexciting team going around in world cricket

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    Keeper standing upto 3 of Indias 4 fast bowlers.
    That is embarrasing.

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    India are missing the Mumbai Indians duo of Rohit Sharma and Hardik Pandya.

    Hardik Pandya is the only man whose presence on field can bring fire in Rahul's captaincy. India are so much missing their famous middle order trio of Pant, KL and Pandya and the poor performance in this series is the consequence of this.

    Rahul opening the batting is also blocking a chance for a youngster like Shaw to develop who would have been absolutely superb as opener considering 2023 WC is in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    This is Zimbabwe level team from South Africa and we are finding it hard to beat them. Time to increase the number of matches in IPL so that they can master the art of beating minnow teams at international level.
    That's what puzzles me, isn't this the same team you decimated in 2018? Are we improving or is this a false dawn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    India struggling against SA C team, wonder what's happened in such a short space of time, surely 152-0 couldnt have affected them that badly.
    May be it is a coincidence but I also think it all started to go downhill from there. Some fans abused Shami after the match. Kohli supported him which many fans didn't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Tsotsobe, Kyle Mills and Nathan Bracken were very good bowlers and had no pace whatsoever. Bowled around 126-132k/ph. They used height and variation well.
    All of them were probably a foot taller than bhuvi. And they played most of their cricket in 2000's. And all the double centuries ever scored in odi cricket have come since 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    That's what puzzles me, isn't this the same team you decimated in 2018? Are we improving or is this a false dawn?
    It's more about India regressing

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    That's what puzzles me, isn't this the same team you decimated in 2018? Are we improving or is this a false dawn?
    A bit of both. You have improved but you are still not at the level which past South African teams have set in world cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    India are missing the Mumbai Indians duo of Rohit Sharma and Hardik Pandya.

    Hardik Pandya is the only man whose presence on field can bring fire in Rahul's captaincy. India are so much missing their famous middle order trio of Pant, KL and Pandya and the poor performance in this series is the consequence of this.

    Rahul opening the batting is also blocking a chance for a youngster like Shaw to develop who would have been absolutely superb as opener considering 2023 WC is in India.
    How does hardik ignite rahul's fire? Absurd

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    Indiaís biggest problem is that they donít have a bowler that can bowl 150+. Their bowling attack is one dimensional.

    The opposition just needs to see off Bumrahís first 5 overs and then they can feast on the trundlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    India are missing the Mumbai Indians duo of Rohit Sharma and Hardik Pandya.

    Hardik Pandya is the only man whose presence on field can bring fire in Rahul's captaincy. India are so much missing their famous middle order trio of Pant, KL and Pandya and the poor performance in this series is the consequence of this.

    Rahul opening the batting is also blocking a chance for a youngster like Shaw to develop who would have been absolutely superb as opener considering 2023 WC is in India.
    South Africa is also missing duo of Nortje and Rabada.

    I wonder where all the folks last year who were undermining Pakís mauling of SA in SA, calling it SA C??
    Itís the same team made up of the likes of Malan, Magala, and co

    But same people are quite when SA C is demoralizing India. That too without Rabada, Nortje, this is likely SA D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    A bit of both. You have improved but you are still not at the level which past South African teams have set in world cricket.
    It will take some time to get there tbf. I'm surprised at the rate we scored against spin in both matches

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    IPL defo played its part, for example Jansen spends lots of time in india last season and season before how much knowledge must he have picked up on the opposition in that time, and thats just a youngster, you got other senior pros and coaches all learning their trade in IPL and then using those same skills against india.

    This is why i have always said india needs to let their ego go and let players participate in other leagues across the world.

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    Saini, Prasidh and Tyagi are quick. Mavi, Nagarkoti lost pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    That's what puzzles me, isn't this the same team you decimated in 2018? Are we improving or is this a false dawn?
    It is all politics brother. Don't think they have regressed, but they are going to now if they don't make their players think about their team first. Ganguly has to go and these IPL superstars need to get their heads out of the clouds first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    India’s biggest problem is that they don’t have a bowler that can bowl 150+. Their bowling attack is one dimensional.

    The opposition just needs to see off Bumrah’s first 5 overs and then they can feast on the trundlers.
    Some of the fans think pace holds no importance. Imagine shaheen bowling those 2 balls in WC to rohit and KL at 128-130kph and not 140+.Would have been easily negotiated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanos View Post
    I hope SA batters bash Bhuvi today to end his LOI career.
    Thank you SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    How does hardik ignite rahul's fire? Absurd
    Hardik can't ignite fire in his himself these days let alone Rahul lol. He was struggling to perform against Sri Lanka D side few months ago. The same guy who you are quoting was pretty confident before the T20 WC in UAE as well but nothing happened. It is better to try some other guys. Let Pandya concentrate on IPL first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanos View Post
    Thank you SA.
    Nothing is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Indiaís biggest problem is that they donít have a bowler that can bowl 150+. Their bowling attack is one dimensional.

    The opposition just needs to see off Bumrahís first 5 overs and then they can feast on the trundlers.
    India should actually be resting Bhumrah. Previously he was benefiting from having an inform Shami, Sharma, Siraj. But with these 3 bowlers removed, his workload has multiplied and India is now risking him injury and burn out

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    IND 287/6 (50)
    RSA 288/3 (48.1) CRR: 5.98

    South Africa won by 7 wkts


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    If you need any more evidence on why a captain’s personality is vital for leadership, then look no further than this current Indian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Some of the fans think pace holds no importance. Imagine shaheen bowling those 2 balls in WC to rohit and KL at 128-130kph and not 140+.Would have been easily negotiated
    Not just pace but having a fast leftie bowling in swingers is just as important.

    India has Bumrah who bowls better to left handers imo when he angles the ball away from the batsman. They donít have a bowler that can do the same to a right hander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    Pant has no business running his mouth in LOIs. The game is not meant for it where things happen quickly.
    That's very common tactic of new WKs to project self as captaincy candidate for future.
    His mouth will be zipped and he'll turn into rabbit in headlights when he has to actually lead the team one day.

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    Congratulations to SA. I hope they rise again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    India should actually be resting Bhumrah. Previously he was benefiting from having an inform Shami, Sharma, Siraj. But with these 3 bowlers removed, his workload has multiplied and India is now risking him injury and burn out
    Genuinely amazed at the fact he hasnít been injured given how unorthodox his action is and his workload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Genuinely amazed at the fact he hasn’t been injured given how unorthodox his action is and his workload.
    He did get injured and since then has stopped bowling bouncers.
    Bumrah has picked only 10 wickets since 2020 at an average exceeding 100

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