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    Should Pakistan boycott the ICC T20 World Cup if Australia abandon the tour of Pakistan?

    Iím reading reports of Australians finding the excuse they need to abandon the tour of Pakistan in March, be it the bomb blast in Anarkali or the Omicron variant.

    I think Pakistan should simply boycott the T20 World Cup later in October if we are taken for granted again. Enough is enough now. There is a huge cash cow/money maker for CA and ICC on the 23rd of October where they have placed India/Pakistan in a 100k capacity stadium. The revenue generated in this match will be gigantic and they are simply using the PCB brand in order to make this possible for them.

    IMO, it CA want the cash, they need to make sure that they do not backstab us like NZCB or ECB.

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    What will that achieve, pull out like we did our players in IPL, till this day we are suffering the consequences of silly actions.

    May cost them some revenue in the short term but they will then marginalize Pak , most other countries will follow suit and then our own income streams will dry up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    What will that achieve, pull out like we did our players in IPL, till this day we are suffering the consequences of silly actions.

    May cost them some revenue in the short term but they will then marginalize Pak , most other countries will follow suit and then our own income streams will dry up.
    It will achieve social boycott or exclusion like SA for the apartheid. But who cares now? This isn’t any fun as it is for Pakistan fans.

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    I implore Chairman Ramiz Raja sab to keep all options open if CA betray us!

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    No there is no point now. The time do it would have been after the dual blow that the Kiwis and England delivered. If we boycott Australia it would risk alienating us further at this stage.

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    Yes some actions needs to be taken
    If pakistan sit idly this will keep happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    No there is no point now. The time do it would have been after the dual blow that the Kiwis and England delivered. If we boycott Australia it would risk alienating us further at this stage.
    But it will come whilst we hit a major blow on the ICC. Might as well go out with a bang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Yes some actions needs to be taken
    If pakistan sit idly this will keep happening
    There are only two things that can happen if Australia do not tour Pakistan.

    1) Australia will continue to play Pakistan at neutral venues.

    2) Australia will not play cricket bilaterally with Pakistan.

    that will be Pakistan's choices.

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    To think about the money that is involved in the clash on the 23rd of October (approximately in ££)

    -Ticket sales at an average of £50 per ticket= £5m (ICC and CA to take major share)

    -Bar and food revenue on the day=£200-500k (CA and Australian government to enjoy major share)

    -Hospitality, hotels, restaurants= Millions of pounds in the days leading up to the game and on game day!

    -Transport and travel industry= thousands of people investing hundreds of thousand pounds in order to reach the game or travel around Melbourne. Plenty of income coming through to the Australian government through travel taxes and traffic tickets etc!

    -Broadcasting rights= over 1 billion people to view this fixture around the world. Major, MAJOR broadcasting sales rights to be sold by ICC who will be the sole beneficiary of this!

    Just imagine the money ICC, Cricket Australia and the Australian government are making off our name being clashed with BCCI. What will our players receive in return? Their paltry match fees and their hotel/travel expenses paid??

    Sick and tired of this, no way should we ever be taken for granted!

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    Why making it a big deal.
    Play test series in UAE.

    Infact in UAE we will whitewash them 3-0
    I still have memories of Mark Taylorís 334 in 1998 series (test/odi).

    Win is important, be it in pakistan, uae, antartica ir mars, Pak has to beat Australia and Eng and Nzl and Lanka and win WTC final in lords.

    End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    To think about the money that is involved in the clash on the 23rd of October (approximately in ££)

    -Ticket sales at an average of £50 per ticket= £5m (ICC and CA to take major share)

    -Bar and food revenue on the day=£200-500k (CA and Australian government to enjoy major share)

    -Hospitality, hotels, restaurants= Millions of pounds in the days leading up to the game and on game day!

    -Transport and travel industry= thousands of people investing hundreds of thousand pounds in order to reach the game or travel around Melbourne. Plenty of income coming through to the Australian government through travel taxes and traffic tickets etc!

    -Broadcasting rights= over 1 billion people to view this fixture around the world. Major, MAJOR broadcasting sales rights to be sold by ICC who will be the sole beneficiary of this!

    Just imagine the money ICC, Cricket Australia and the Australian government are making off our name being clashed with BCCI. What will our players receive in return? Their paltry match fees and their hotel/travel expenses paid??

    Sick and tired of this, no way should we ever be taken for granted!
    @Saj @MIG can you please add this post to my OP. Would really appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    There are only two things that can happen if Australia do not tour Pakistan.

    1) Australia will continue to play Pakistan at neutral venues.

    2) Australia will not play cricket bilaterally with Pakistan.

    that will be Pakistan's choices.
    1) Will not happen now full stop

    2) If its comes to 2 so be it Pakistan just wont tour australia either

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    No that is a terrible idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    1) Will not happen now full stop

    2) If its comes to 2 so be it Pakistan just wont tour australia either
    Agreed 100%

    I don’t understand why people cannot accept Pakistan to take a drastic step for itself to be counted!

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    That will be a suicidal move.

    We are PCB, no powerful like BCCI.

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    The idea in principle is a noble one defo, however in reality PCB no longer holds any clout so like poster above mentioned will be suicide

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    I don't think boycotting will do much. It may even backfire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    That will be a suicidal move.

    We are PCB, no powerful like BCCI.
    Australia, NZ and England constantly abandoning Pakistan is not suicidal but PCB doing the same will be suicidal? How?

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    No.

    Australia tour was always a PR move by CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Australia, NZ and England constantly abandoning Pakistan is not suicidal but PCB doing the same will be suicidal? How?
    When a servant goes against his master who ends up being worse off?

    Pakistan should know their place. We kicked up a fuss about the Big 3 when they didn't tour us but then went cap in hand to humiliate ourselves over an annual 4 way tournament which nobody wants. We've shown we need them so desperately but they don't need us.

    A decade or two of isolation and Pakistan cricket will end up dead like hockey or squash. It's time to put the ego away and accept our standing in the world stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    To think about the money that is involved in the clash on the 23rd of October (approximately in ££)

    -Ticket sales at an average of £50 per ticket= £5m (ICC and CA to take major share)

    -Bar and food revenue on the day=£200-500k (CA and Australian government to enjoy major share)

    -Hospitality, hotels, restaurants= Millions of pounds in the days leading up to the game and on game day!

    -Transport and travel industry= thousands of people investing hundreds of thousand pounds in order to reach the game or travel around Melbourne. Plenty of income coming through to the Australian government through travel taxes and traffic tickets etc!

    -Broadcasting rights= over 1 billion people to view this fixture around the world. Major, MAJOR broadcasting sales rights to be sold by ICC who will be the sole beneficiary of this!

    Just imagine the money ICC, Cricket Australia and the Australian government are making off our name being clashed with BCCI. What will our players receive in return? Their paltry match fees and their hotel/travel expenses paid??

    Sick and tired of this, no way should we ever be taken for granted!
    This is the case for the players wherever they play. What makes the WT20 2022 any different?


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Please boycott and save us from embarrassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    This is the case for the players wherever they play. What makes the WT20 2022 any different?
    So then why should our players be made show horses for the greed of others with no return? They all want to make money of Pakistan by expecting them to turn up at the given date against India. However, none of these Greedy stakeholders ever take a stand or speak up for the Pakistani players when they are continuously ignored or when the people of Pakistan are continuously overlooked.

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    Where are you reading these reports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I’m reading reports of Australians finding the excuse they need to abandon the tour of Pakistan in March, be it the bomb blast in Anarkali or the Omicron variant.

    I think Pakistan should simply boycott the T20 World Cup later in October if we are taken for granted again. Enough is enough now. There is a huge cash cow/money maker for CA and ICC on the 23rd of October where they have placed India/Pakistan in a 100k capacity stadium. The revenue generated in this match will be gigantic and they are simply using the PCB brand in order to make this possible for them.

    IMO, it CA want the cash, they need to make sure that they do not backstab us like NZCB or ECB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    Please boycott and save us from embarrassment.
    ICC will need to recover that money somehow. Maybe they will put NZ in the India group instead of Pakistan

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    No, why shoot ourselves in the foot when we can actually win the tournament.

    What PCB should be doing is, boycotting tours to England, Australia and New Zealand until they tour us.

    We should just arrange home seriesí with Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

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    The PCB needs to try a different approach. For far too long we have played nice like obedient servants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    ICC will need to recover that money somehow. Maybe they will put NZ in the India group instead of Pakistan
    ICC will not need to do anything. If pakistan doesn't play the T20WC they will not receive their share of ICC money and that money will be forfeited.

    So ICC will simply use that forfeited money.

    Boycott will not help PCB as they majorly depend on ICC revenues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The PCB needs to try a different approach. For far too long we have played nice like obedient servants.
    And that approach is?

    If PCB has brains, they will use the CA , ECB and NZC' s refusal to come to Pakistan to hold them to play a 4 nation series in UAE or England and make moolah. BCCI would have done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    And that approach is?

    If PCB has brains, they will use the CA , ECB and NZC' s refusal to come to Pakistan to hold them to play a 4 nation series in UAE or England and make moolah. BCCI would have done that.
    You want us to play in the UAE forever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    ICC will not need to do anything. If pakistan doesn't play the T20WC they will not receive their share of ICC money and that money will be forfeited.

    So ICC will simply use that forfeited money.

    Boycott will not help PCB as they majorly depend on ICC revenues.
    How does PCB get an equal share for producing serious cash for the ICC for that one fixture v India??

    Also, is the PCB share going to be given to CA and the Australian government for their losses?
    Last edited by Rana; 21st January 2022 at 20:56.

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    Where are you reading these reports?

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    Until Pakistan can generate 70% of the revenue for ICC, this idea is nothing but foolishness. If Pakistan wants to become as strong as India, then it needs to do two things:

    1) Improve law and order situation
    2) Improve the economy at least 3x.

    Until then, accept the current status quo and gladly accept as many matches on offer. We think that we are some hotshots who can sway things and cause dents, but no we are not. We are just a middling country in the grand scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    Until Pakistan can generate 70% of the revenue for ICC, this idea is nothing but foolishness. If Pakistan wants to become as strong as India, then it needs to do two things:

    1) Improve law and order situation
    2) Improve the economy at least 3x.

    Until then, accept the current status quo and gladly accept as many matches on offer. We think that we are some hotshots who can sway things and cause dents, but no we are not. We are just a middling country in the grand scheme of things.
    We’ve been hearing this rubbish explanation for 3 decades now. Nothing will change even if we do improve the way liberals want us to do so.

    CA boycotting Pakistan hurts us financially, so let’s hurt them on their biggest day of the current decade

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    Until Pakistan can generate 70% of the revenue for ICC, this idea is nothing but foolishness. If Pakistan wants to become as strong as India, then it needs to do two things:

    1) Improve law and order situation
    2) Improve the economy at least 3x.

    Until then, accept the current status quo and gladly accept as many matches on offer. We think that we are some hotshots who can sway things and cause dents, but no we are not. We are just a middling country in the grand scheme of things.
    PCB should not under estimate itself. It is number 4 on the ICC revenue table after the Big 3. The PCB has gotten things done from the ICC before i.e. Shoaib Akhtar chucking issue, Darrell Hair, shifting the ODI Asia Cup in 2018 and the T-20 WC in 2021 to the UAE.

    The things like Law and Order, Economy are long term fixes which require massive amounts of time which Pakistan Cricket does not have.

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    PCB should screw the ICC by refusing to play India in ICC tournaments until the PCB demands are met. The ICC events money and profits are single handedly dependent on the Indo Pak clashes. The 2007 ODI WC in the WI was a financial disaster for the ICC because India and Pakistan crashed out early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    And that approach is?

    If PCB has brains, they will use the CA , ECB and NZC' s refusal to come to Pakistan to hold them to play a 4 nation series in UAE or England and make moolah. BCCI would have done that.
    un-intelligent post.

    the whole point is to have cricket at home, not in UAE...

    your suggestion is counterproductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    You want us to play in the UAE forever?
    You can either not play at all or play in UAE and force these boards to help you get extra revenue.

    I lost a lot of hope after the NZ team did the runner. I mean if a call between 2 PMs cant solve the issue. Nothing will.

    Australia will always find an excuse. They haven't had a overseas tour in nearly 3 years. Will pakistan be the 1st?

    England, they are the most likely to tour from their boards side. But the player association is very strong and ultimately players may find covid or mental health issue.

    So what should PCB do?


    If i was PCB president i know what i would've done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    PCB should screw the ICC by refusing to play India in ICC tournaments until the PCB demands are met. The ICC events money and profits are single handedly dependent on the Indo Pak clashes. The 2007 ODI WC in the WI was a financial disaster for the ICC because India and Pakistan crashed out early.
    Wrong.

    India makes plenty of money and doesn't play pakistan.

    Yes India vs Pakistan does bring revenues but that may be equal to or slightly higher than a India vs aus or nz or eng match.

    PCB is in no position to make demands. It heavily depends on ICC revenues and as per Ramiz most of it comes from India.

    Secondly if PCB starts threatening other boards, will other boards not retaliate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arif_2021 View Post
    un-intelligent post.

    the whole point is to have cricket at home, not in UAE...

    your suggestion is counterproductive.
    If there is no chance of cricket at home from NZ AUS and ENG. Whats the alternative and how to make that alternative more attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    How does PCB get an equal share for producing serious cash for the ICC for that one fixture v India??

    Also, is the PCB share going to be given to CA and the Australian government for their losses?
    PCB gets money from every ICC tournament it plays. If it doesn't play in T20 WC they wouldn't be paid that money.

    If Pakistan withdraws from the tournament, someone else will replace them. India matches bring the revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    PCB gets money from every ICC tournament it plays. If it doesn't play in T20 WC they wouldn't be paid that money.

    If Pakistan withdraws from the tournament, someone else will replace them. India matches bring the revenue.
    I guess if it makes no difference to anyone then letís see once it happens. Also, Nepal are more than welcome to take our share and spot with ICC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    It will achieve social boycott or exclusion like SA for the apartheid. But who cares now? This isn’t any fun as it is for Pakistan fans.


    bhai sahab it will have the opposite effect. everyone will boycott Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    We’ve been hearing this rubbish explanation for 3 decades now. Nothing will change even if we do improve the way liberals want us to do so.

    CA boycotting Pakistan hurts us financially, so let’s hurt them on their biggest day of the current decade
    CA isn't boycotting you.

    Their biggest days are India and Ashes. They get close to a billion dollars in TV revenues from their tv rights sale. They made 300mn in revenues from the last India tour.

    So no, PCB boycott isn't going to affect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I guess if it makes no difference to anyone then let’s see once it happens.
    Ask Ramiz to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realitygaf View Post


    bhai sahab it will have the opposite effect. everyone will boycott Pakistan
    As if we are very much in demand as it is. These big teams send or rest their players against us more often than not.

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    Taking an action that will potentially lead to crossing swords with most ICC members because Australia "may" not tour. Sounds bit dramatic and not a good idea. Whatever support one has in ICC will diminish.
    Boycotting tour of Australia may be better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    CA isn't boycotting you.

    Their biggest days are India and Ashes. They get close to a billion dollars in TV revenues from their tv rights sale. They made 300mn in revenues from the last India tour.

    So no, PCB boycott isn't going to affect them.
    Where did I say PCB boycotting CA for tours is going to hurt them. I clearly stated it hurts us (PCB).

    According to you, us not playing the India game on the 23rd isn’t going to hurt CA and the Australian government financially?

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    For too long I have heard people like Mamoon and Joshila telling us we will make no difference if we are not there as a full ICC member and someone else will take our spot.

    Well I guess Canada is pretty much a south Asian American side on the rise and they can replace the PCB.

    Best of luck with the India v Canada fixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I implore Chairman Ramiz Raja sab to keep all options open if CA betray us!
    @cricketjoshila

    I already did what you said. Hopefully he reads this forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So then why should our players be made show horses for the greed of others with no return? They all want to make money of Pakistan by expecting them to turn up at the given date against India. However, none of these Greedy stakeholders ever take a stand or speak up for the Pakistani players when they are continuously ignored or when the people of Pakistan are continuously overlooked.
    Pakistan receives in excess of 100mn usd from ICC for their participation in ICC events. Its around 128 to 130mn for the 2015 to 2023 cycle.

    If i am not wrong there are 6 ICC tournaments of senior mens team in this cycle. So PCB gets paid some 20 mn usd for participating in the icc event.

    Will PCB give up this money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Where did I say PCB boycotting CA for tours is going to hurt them. I clearly stated it hurts us (PCB).

    According to you, us not playing the India game on the 23rd isn’t going to hurt CA and the Australian government financially?
    Arey baba listen

    Suppose CA says they dont want to come to Pakistan but will play in UAE. And ECB and NZC say the same.

    Should PCB reject it and go in for confrontation with these 3, knowing they already have a confrontation with Bcci?

    Or should they manipulate the situation to make most money out of it? So that their revenues go up. Cricket is played and thats that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Where did I say PCB boycotting CA for tours is going to hurt them. I clearly stated it hurts us (PCB).

    According to you, us not playing the India game on the 23rd isn’t going to hurt CA and the Australian government financially?
    Australia is a trillion dollar GDP. Your boycott isnt going to harm them much.

    Will pcb let go off the 20mn usd of its revenue share its getting as participation fee from the ICC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Arey baba listen

    Suppose CA says they dont want to come to Pakistan but will play in UAE. And ECB and NZC say the same.

    Should PCB reject it and go in for confrontation with these 3, knowing they already have a confrontation with Bcci?

    Or should they manipulate the situation to make most money out of it? So that their revenues go up. Cricket is played and thats that.
    PCB run at heavy loss as it is scheduling it’s fixtures in the UAE. They have asked opposition teams to split the costs with them at UAE but they are not willing to do so. So what now?

    Look for all I care, if it means International cricket can exist without Pakistan so be it. PSL is fine and so is the opportunity to see Pakistan players participating in other leagues. Our domestic cricket is strong enough to keep us competitive at International level once things are fair for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    For too long I have heard people like Mamoon and Joshila telling us we will make no difference if we are not there as a full ICC member and someone else will take our spot.

    Well I guess Canada is pretty much a south Asian American side on the rise and they can replace the PCB.

    Best of luck with the India v Canada fixture.
    What will pakistan cricket do in absence of international cricket and revenue?

    How many will move to USA or Canada or Oman to play for those teams, in return for money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Australia is a trillion dollar GDP. Your boycott isnt going to harm them much.

    Will pcb let go off the 20mn usd of its revenue share its getting as participation fee from the ICC?
    But they have been begging BCCI and ECB to live through hell in order to make sure they get their home revenues. If it doesn’t hurt them on the 23rd October, I guess it’s no one’s problem but Pakistan’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    PCB run at heavy loss as it is scheduling it’s fixtures in the UAE. They have asked opposition teams to split the costs with them at UAE but they are not willing to do so. So what now?

    Look for all I care, if it means International cricket can exist without Pakistan so be it. PSL is fine and so is the opportunity to see Pakistan players participating in other leagues. Our domestic cricket is strong enough to keep us competitive at International level once things are fair for everyone.
    Thats why PCB should ask them to play extra matches or a triangular or quadrangular to get the revenues.

    If boards boycott PCB, why will they let their players go to PSL? Where will PCB get the money to run domestic cricket?

    Will players not leave pakistan for money and chance to play international cricket?

    PCB should take advantage of this situation and squeeze every penny out of CA ECB and NZC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    But they have been begging BCCI and ECB to live through hell in order to make sure they get their home revenues. If it doesn’t hurt them on the 23rd October, I guess it’s no one’s problem but Pakistan’s
    BCCI tour is worth 300mn. Ashes is similar if not more.

    If pakistan doesn't play in t20wc, they will not get their revenue share of 20mn plus. CA can be compensated with that money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    BCCI tour is worth 300mn. Ashes is similar if not more.

    If pakistan doesn't play in t20wc, they will not get their revenue share of 20mn plus. CA can be compensated with that money.
    How can you be compensated when the money hasn’t flown into the account due to the 23 October fixture not going ahead?

    Read my post above listing the potential losses to ICC, CA and Australian Government because of the 23rd October match not taking place.

    ICC may not have a $200m revenue share of Pakistan to give to CA.


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    I think we can safely discard the opinion of Indian posters here, given they will always want Pakistan to beg and grovel.

    The answer is, yes, Pakistan should not tour these countries even for multi team tournaments if they continue to not tour Pakistan. I suspect England will not pull off again what they did last October. Australia and NZ are more likely to do that. So essentially Pakistan won't be playing cricket with Australia and NZ. I think Pakistan can survive that easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    How can you be compensated when the money hasn’t flown into the account due to the 23 October fixture not going ahead?

    Read my post above listing the potential losses to ICC, CA and Australian Government because of the 23rd October match not taking place.

    ICC may not have a $200m revenue share of Pakistan to give to CA.
    The money comes to ICC through its tv rights deal and other sponsorship contracts.

    None of them say that a India Pakistan clash is mandatory.

    They will pay as long as the tournament is played and India plays ( this came into being in 2000-2002).

    So ICC will earn most of its revenue and not pay PCB the revenue share for not participating.

    They can also sue PCB under the members participation agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The money comes to ICC through its tv rights deal and other sponsorship contracts.

    None of them say that a India Pakistan clash is mandatory.

    They will pay as long as the tournament is played and India plays ( this came into being in 2000-2002).

    So ICC will earn most of its revenue and not pay PCB the revenue share for not participating.

    They can also sue PCB under the members participation agreement.
    So that’s why BCCI has no choice but to play the ICC fixtures against Pakistan even though the Jawaans are slain at the same time on the border by Pak forces?

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    The biggest joke I’ve read is that the ICC will still make its money even if India and Pakistan doesn’t happen.

    You can’t make this stuff up. Respect

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The money comes to ICC through its tv rights deal and other sponsorship contracts.

    None of them say that a India Pakistan clash is mandatory.

    They will pay as long as the tournament is played and India plays ( this came into being in 2000-2002).

    So ICC will earn most of its revenue and not pay PCB the revenue share for not participating.

    They can also sue PCB under the members participation agreement.
    It will have long term effects of broadcast deals. Also, if Pakistan government says Pakistan can't participate then ICC can't do crap. Either way, at some point PCB will have to draw a line and make a stand. I know you want Pakistan to beg and grovel indefinitely. IK should come in and give them to excuse to withdraw.

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    Self-cannibalization is no way to back at one country and its cricket board. And this would be a monumentally stupid decision because assuming we follow your scenario, not only would PCB be making nothing from a cancelled/postponed home series they would also be getting ZERO revenue from the ICC. And depriving the population (most of whom could care less about a 3 match test series against Australia) of the biggest and only cricket match they care about. Which happens once every one or two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Self-cannibalization is no way to back at one country and its cricket board. And this would be a monumentally stupid decision because assuming we follow your scenario, not only would PCB be making nothing from a cancelled/postponed home series they would also be getting ZERO revenue from the ICC. And depriving the population (most of whom could care less about a 3 match test series against Australia) of the biggest and only cricket match they care about. Which happens once every one or two years.
    So we continue to accept being bullied?

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    Would be interesting to see what @Mamoon thinks if Australia withdraws. He was pretty certain Australia would travel, but he also would have known a terrorist attack of such small scale in one of the large cities was always on the cards when talking about a 6 month period.

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    Still waiting for said reports, until then I declare the OP fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    It will have long term effects of broadcast deals. Also, if Pakistan government says Pakistan can't participate then ICC can't do crap. Either way, at some point PCB will have to draw a line and make a stand. I know you want Pakistan to beg and grovel indefinitely. IK should come in and give them to excuse to withdraw.
    As per Ramiz himself, 90 per cent of revenue comes from India. Then there are England Australia and others. How much comes from pakistan?

    Pakistan government can say PCB wont play. Thats fine.

    But what will pakistan government do when others will say they wont play PCB?

    PCB needs to be smart which they are not. You cannot have the best situation always. Get the best out of the situation you are in.

    BCCI was in a precarious position in 2017. They were replaced by a court appointed administration, who didn't know the head and tail of administration. Manohar had become ICC head and was rallying everyone against bcci. The big 3 revenue model was being removed. No bcci representative in the icc marketing committee, which was headed by Mani, a bcci baiter

    BCCI didn't go for confrontation, they rejected the 293mn usd offer but made it clear they were open to a fair offer. Finally accepting the 405mn usd offer. Got a seat on the marketing committee, got Kumble as head of cricket committee and waited for time to pass.

    The event passed.

    BCCI got back its head. Manohar was forced to quit the ICC. His lackey imran khawaja lost the chairman elections. The bcci secretary has already proposed a new revenue model from 2024, because bcci has agreed to play 8 and not 6 icc events in the next cycle.

    There is no need to beg or grovel. Make the most revenue out of this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    As per Ramiz himself, 90 per cent of revenue comes from India. Then there are England Australia and others. How much comes from pakistan?

    Pakistan government can say PCB wont play. Thats fine.

    But what will pakistan government do when others will say they wont play PCB?

    PCB needs to be smart which they are not. You cannot have the best situation always. Get the best out of the situation you are in.

    BCCI was in a precarious position in 2017. They were replaced by a court appointed administration, who didn't know the head and tail of administration. Manohar had become ICC head and was rallying everyone against bcci. The big 3 revenue model was being removed. No bcci representative in the icc marketing committee, which was headed by Mani, a bcci baiter

    BCCI didn't go for confrontation, they rejected the 293mn usd offer but made it clear they were open to a fair offer. Finally accepting the 405mn usd offer. Got a seat on the marketing committee, got Kumble as head of cricket committee and waited for time to pass.

    The event passed.

    BCCI got back its head. Manohar was forced to quit the ICC. His lackey imran khawaja lost the chairman elections. The bcci secretary has already proposed a new revenue model from 2024, because bcci has agreed to play 8 and not 6 icc events in the next cycle.

    There is no need to beg or grovel. Make the most revenue out of this situation.
    If PCB doesn't make a stand then Australia and NZ won't tour for the next 50 years. There will always be a terrorist attack, even small scale, every 6-12 months. That's nearly impossible to prevent. Pakistan has greatly diminished the attacks. Overall there are less casualties than when teams like Australia used to tour regularly. So it makes sense for PCB to make a stand here, otherwise these 2 teams won't be coming to Pakistan for the next 50 years if not longer.

    We can expect to have no cricket against Australia and NZ outside of multi team tournaments that are hosted in those countries. That's fine I think.

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    Rather than just some OP probably from Indian quarters and/or media speculating to jeopardize the intent, I have yet to see any "legitimate" reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    If PCB doesn't make a stand then Australia and NZ won't tour for the next 50 years. There will always be a terrorist attack, even small scale, every 6-12 months. That's nearly impossible to prevent. Pakistan has greatly diminished the attacks. Overall there are less casualties than when teams like Australia used to tour regularly. So it makes sense for PCB to make a stand here, otherwise these 2 teams won't be coming to Pakistan for the next 50 years if not longer.

    We can expect to have no cricket against Australia and NZ outside of multi team tournaments that are hosted in those countries. That's fine I think.
    So already you are not playing India. Next no cricket against Australia and NZ.

    Thats 3 of the top 5 countries.

    What is the problem if PCB plays the matches in UAE but earns more revenue via triangular and quadrangular tournaments in UAE?

    Why not put up giant screens in stadiums so that people can watch together as they do on grounds?

    Screen 3 hour T20 matches in cinemas.

    Make money, keep the interest in the game alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So already you are not playing India. Next no cricket against Australia and NZ.

    Thats 3 of the top 5 countries.

    What is the problem if PCB plays the matches in UAE but earns more revenue via triangular and quadrangular tournaments in UAE?

    Why not put up giant screens in stadiums so that people can watch together as they do on grounds?

    Screen 3 hour T20 matches in cinemas.

    Make money, keep the interest in the game alive.
    See. Boycotting the T20 World Cup wouldn’t make much of a difference. So I don’t think you should worry too much about the future of PCB, as if you are one of its well wishers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    See. Boycotting the T20 World Cup wouldn’t make much of a difference. So I don’t think you should worry too much about the future of PCB, as if you are one of its well wishers!
    Well let PCB first boycott the T20 WC. Then we can talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Well let PCB first boycott the T20 WC. Then we can talk.
    Let Australia skip the Pak tour first. There is a 90% chance they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So we continue to accept being bullied?
    The biggest reason why we can be so easily bullied by India and the Western boards is because we are not economically-powerful enough to matter enough. Your idea essentially envisions us to 'send a message' by depriving ourselves of even more revenue and hence becoming even less economically-powerful, all while potentially making new enemies because a tournament like the World Cup has a number of stakeholders, not just Cricket Australia.

    The simple reality is that there is very little room for 'moral stands' in the real world when everything is underscored by money and economics.

    The solution is to make yourself economically-powerful enough to matter where boards would think twice about postponing a series with you. Depriving yourself of revenue is the last thing to do if you want that to happen one day. And till you can do that you will be bullied. That's just how it is.

    You or I may not like it, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    The biggest reason why we can be so easily bullied by India and the Western boards is because we are not economically-powerful enough to matter enough. Your idea essentially envisions us to 'send a message' by depriving ourselves of even more revenue and hence becoming even less economically-powerful, all while potentially making new enemies because a tournament like the World Cup has a number of stakeholders, not just Cricket Australia.

    The simple reality is that there is very little room for 'moral stands' in the real world when everything is underscored by money and economics.

    The solution is to make yourself economically-powerful enough to matter where boards would think twice about postponing a series with you. Depriving yourself of revenue is the last thing to do if you want that to happen one day. And till you can do that you will be bullied. That's just how it is.

    You or I may not like it, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.
    Short term pain for long term gain is a thing. There are countless instances where countries or companies have lost money in the short term for a better long term. Cricket is already a very small sport at the global scale. The big 3 situation has made is much worse. Pakistan not playing NZ and Australia will compound the situation. Think of what ICC and cricket have to lose as well, not just what Pakistan has to lose.

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    Which report are you reading? Source?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    If there is no chance of cricket at home from NZ AUS and ENG. Whats the alternative and how to make that alternative more attractive.
    Who told you that there is ‚Äėno chance‚Äô

    Open your eyes, this is not 2008 or 2021 or even 2016…

    Cricket has been re-introduced back in the country.

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    No way. The WC is an ICC tournament that we must play. At best we should refuse to tour Aus for a test series. This would not matter much either.


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