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    "The IPL is really too long to stay hooked onto it" : Fazeer Mohammed

    In his latest blog for PakPassion.net, Fazeer writes about his expectations from the newly appointed West Indies white-ball captain Nicholas Pooran, questions the commitment of players like Evin Lewis who is not included in the squad to tour Pakistan due to a lack of fitness and explains why the duration of the current edition of the Indian Premier League is too long for his liking.




    Whenever there is a change of captain, much time is spent analysing and theorising on the new leader’s potential impact on the team’s performances.

    This is no different now in the West Indies environment, even if the elevation of Nicholas Pooran to the helm of the T20 International squad was seen as an inevitability given that he deputised more than once for Kieron Pollard over the past 18 months.

    What has been the talking point though is whether or not the additional responsibility of leadership in the One-Day International format, in which he also succeeds Pollard, will prove too burdensome in a side continuing to struggle in the white ball format and which seems destined to once again have to go through the qualifying competition for the 2023 World Cup.

    One thing can be said about the flamboyant left-hander though in this regard. He is never lacking in confidence, and even if he feels especially challenged by having to lift the team for the upcoming assignments - especially the three ODIs against Pakistan in Rawalpindi in June - it will be very surprising if he ever admits to being daunted by the prospect.

    It remains to be seen though if he can galvanise the players around him to give of their best all the time for the West Indies because that has been the major challenge since the advent of T20’s and the franchise format as it was inevitable that all the top players would have been drawn to those franchise events given the greater financial rewards which could never be matched by Cricket West Indies.

    Maybe a few West Indies fans expect a miraculous transformation. Most however just want to see a level of commitment to the regional team which hasn’t always been evident over the past 15 years.

    Obviously, the confrontational attitude of some CWI administrators, especially former president Dave Cameron, made a difficult situation many times worse. But even now, a more cordial environment between the players and the Ricky Skerritt-led administration has not translated into a significant turnaround in the team’s fortunes in the white ball formats.

    So, Pooran has his work cut out and following the three-match series against The Netherlands in Amstelveen, Pakistan fans will be among the first to judge first-hand his readiness for what is expected to be an onerous task.

    It is a task made all the more taxing by the absence of at least three players for different reasons. While it is understandable that former captain and key all-format player Jason Holder’s workload be managed carefully, and that Shimron Hetmyer would like to be back home in Guyana for the birth of his first child, it is difficult to accept that Evin Lewis has failed yet another fitness test.

    For the opening batsman to not meet even the minimum standards while involved in the Indian Premier League (IPL) again raises questions about his level of commitment to the West Indies team.

    Former captain and now Director of Cricket at CWI, Jimmy Adams, has spoken of feeling “let down” by players who fall short of the fitness requirements and within that comment is an unspoken inference about prioritising playing for the West Indies above all else.

    It is often bandied about quite regularly in the West Indies cricket environment that players who attract huge sums on the franchise circuit, and who have previously been badly treated by CWI, really owe nothing to the Caribbean game because they can live prosperously without ever playing for the regional side again.

    Yet that short-sighted vision conveniently overlooks the reality where every single player who has ever advanced to any level of international or franchise representation from the West Indies has done so with the assistance of the local coaching and club structures in the various territories, to say nothing of the host of individuals at all levels who would have played different roles in helping those budding talents in getting the opportunities to display their flowering gifts to wider audiences.

    So, players, however great they may have become, still do have an obligation to West Indies cricket for it has been both the nursery and the springboard for the success they now enjoy.

    I mentioned that Lewis is playing in the IPL. I didn’t mention which franchise he plays for because I don’t know, and really don’t care to know. I haven’t watched a single game of the IPL this season for a number of reasons which have more to do with other personal priorities rather than a distaste for T20 cricket and the Indian Premier League in particular.

    If it were the Pakistan Super League my position would be the same as, for better or worse, I am one of the dinosaurs who prefer to watch Test cricket. I am not saying it is better than T20s or ODIs. I just grew up in an era when Test cricket was everything and I appreciate it much more than the other formats.

    That said, the IPL is really too long to stay hooked onto it, especially if you have other things to do on a daily basis. With two franchises added in 2022 and a season spanning two months, it really requires the extremely dedicated fan to stay focussed on the action for such a long period of time.

    Obviously, the viewing numbers, the level of sponsorship and the value of the television rights justify a tournament of such magnitude.

    For an individual with other things to do besides just watching cricket though, it’s just too long.
    Last edited by MenInG; 16th May 2022 at 11:04.


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    70 matches does seem a lot for cricket but then again franchise models in other sports such as NHL and NBA have longer seasons

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    Viewership is increasing every season - Fazeer is a broken record.

    IPL wouldn’t have been “too long” if he was employed by them.
    Last edited by MenInG; 16th May 2022 at 12:33.

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    Agree with Fazeer. Unless your Indian it's not even on the agenda. I find it boring and uninteresting. But I'm not an Indian and have no skin in the game. Watching gujarat vs some other Indian city is not interesting for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Agree with Fazeer. Unless your Indian it's not even on the agenda. I find it boring and uninteresting. But I'm not an Indian and have no skin in the game. Watching gujarat vs some other Indian city is not interesting for me.
    Well it is in the Indian Premier League. The Target audience is Indian fans and they are happy with the duration which is why more and more Indians are watching it every year.

    This is what non-Indian fans don’t understand - IPL isn’t for you, your views do not matter as long as the fans who matter, i.e. the Indian fans, are happy with the product.

    Now of course, the predictable rebuttal would be that IPL halts international cricket so non-Indian fans have a stake but then again, cricket boards and players are free to pull out.

    If they don’t and they can’t because of money involved, then make peace with it and let it be. You would have done the same if you were an international cricketer good enough to play in the IPL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Viewership is increasing every season - Fazeer is a broken record.

    IPL wouldnt have been too long if he was employed by them.
    The viewership in India itself has declined by 30-35% in first 4 weeks of this season
    Last edited by Ashmal; 16th May 2022 at 14:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    70 matches does seem a lot for cricket but then again franchise models in other sports such as NHL and NBA have longer seasons
    I think this is the case for non-Indian(IPL) fans. I think there is a great/large demand for IPL. In fact I think the number of matches will be increased starting next season. That will happen because IPL will make more money, which is a result of demand.

    I think the proof is where the $$$ are. We will find out in about a month on how much demand there is. The broadcasting rights "fight" is upcoming in June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Agree with Fazeer. Unless your Indian it's not even on the agenda. I find it boring and uninteresting. But I'm not an Indian and have no skin in the game. Watching gujarat vs some other Indian city is not interesting for me.
    You are right. You are not the target audience for the IPL. The IPL has a specific target - fans in India, Indian expats in USA, Canada, UK, Middle East. Also the smaller numbers in other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    The viewership in India itself has declined by 30-35% in first 4 weeks of this season
    From what I have read, that figure is compared to the pandemic days. Where people were stuck indoors. I think the current season numbers should be compared to 2019, 2018 numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmal View Post
    The viewership in India itself has declined by 30-35% in first 4 weeks of this season
    @Mamoon are you going to respond to this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Well it is in the Indian Premier League. The Target audience is Indian fans and they are happy with the duration which is why more and more Indians are watching it every year.

    This is what non-Indian fans don’t understand - IPL isn’t for you, your views do not matter as long as the fans who matter, i.e. the Indian fans, are happy with the product.

    Now of course, the predictable rebuttal would be that IPL halts international cricket so non-Indian fans have a stake but then again, cricket boards and players are free to pull out.

    If they don’t and they can’t because of money involved, then make peace with it and let it be. You would have done the same if you were an international cricketer good enough to play in the IPL.
    And I'm cool with that. And I don't care. I have zero interest in Indian tamasha..be it bollywood or IPL or the Indian cricket team. Unlike Indian fans like you. And on a Pakistani forum like this I'm entitled to my opinion as are Indians like you.

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    I haven’t seen any IPL matches because I can’t relate to any teams.I get more enjoyment from watching my local team which plays in the Essex league.You can watch 40 overs matches for free.The cricket ground is in my local park which is ten minutes by foot.What more can one want?.

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    The beauty of T20 cricket is that its short and sweet. T20 competitions that stick to the wham bam thank you man nature of the format itself will be more exciting than those that extend for months on end

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    The beauty of T20 cricket is that its short and sweet. T20 competitions that stick to the wham bam thank you man nature of the format itself will be more exciting than those that extend for months on end
    The money men in India seem to have forgotten this. The over exposure of the IPL will eventually come to haunt it. Its all looking rosy now but everything has to go through a dip at some point. How will the IPL handle it when it happens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    The money men in India seem to have forgotten this. The over exposure of the IPL will eventually come to haunt it. Its all looking rosy now but everything has to go through a dip at some point. How will the IPL handle it when it happens?
    Have to say that IPL failure was predicted as soon as it started in 2008. Even on this forum. If you go back to initial IPL threads you will see it. In fact failure was still being predicted in season 3 and even 4.

    But 15 years later things have moved in the other direction. The upcoming broadcast deal is predicted to fetch $6-$7 Billion.

    Sure there will be ups and downs in any league. It happens in our (US) leagues too. But the owners are smart enough to see it coming and counter it. I think IPL owners did not get to where there by being dormant.

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    Agreed. A 2 month tournament is too long to keep a track of for non Indians. I think India is the only country that can sustain its fanbase and popularity for a 2 month t20 tournament every year.

    I only find this time of the year boring because of no international cricket going on due to various reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Viewership is increasing every season - Fazeer is a broken record.

    IPL wouldn’t have been “too long” if he was employed by them.
    Do your research. IPL viewership has dropped by 40% this season vs the last. You are the one who is an ignorant broken record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Agreed. A 2 month tournament is too long to keep a track of for non Indians. I think India is the only country that can sustain its fanbase and popularity for a 2 month t20 tournament every year.

    I only find this time of the year boring because of no international cricket going on due to various reasons.
    Lol, even the local Indians are getting bored with an insanely long tournament. Counter this with 2 or 3 T-20 matches a day i.e an early start at 9 am, then the next game at an after noon start and the last game of the day at night time. This is one way to ensure the tournament finishes within 5-6 weeks while keeping a high number of teams.

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    IPL is way too long. It impacts international cricket negatively.


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    I'm not a huge fan of T20 cricket and will watch a few matches here and there but some of these tournaments like the IPL are never-ending which in my opinion takes away from the enjoyment.

    A T20 tournament should be 3 or 4 weeks maximum.



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    I have caught snippets mostly because its on and the alternative is some terrible drama but on any given day, I have no idea who is playing. It's like a McDonald's meal, quite nice when eating but quickly forgotten

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    Honestly here in India my friends and relatives house it's like a background music we Just keep it on in our home if something get's interesting or usually in last 5 overs of the chase we hooked on. .

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    He is right on this account..2 months is pretty long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    He is right on this account..2 months is pretty long.
    Its just human nature and people should accept it as a fact.


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    The IPL has reduced my interest in cricket overall, not just franchise cricket. We have to wait 2 months every year to get some real cricket.

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    IPL/BBL whatwhichever league is my detox time from cricket. I'd rather watch anyone play anyone in international cricket. But i can see how IPL has benefitted indian cricket - can name at least 15 guys who have made it via IPL in other formats. The only excitement or interest for me piques up when someone mentions a good quick bowler - umraan, kuledeep sent etc.
    Else - Cant wait for test matches to start...bring it on!

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    I cant believe this years IPL is still going on with daily matches.

    A tournament which lasts for longer than two months!

    This year I am starting to appreciate the perspective espoused by some that IPL really eats into the Northern Hemisphere season.

    And still another two weeks to go!

    It really is very very long.

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    Fazeer - great analyst.

    The IPL stuff he just doesnt seem very interested and I like the way he just batted it off. Bit of an annoyance, but if the Indians like it then like it.

    I dont understand why they have to get their nickers in a twist about everything. If someone said he doesnt like the IPL thats his opinion. Live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrIc_Mystique View Post
    IPL/BBL whatwhichever league is my detox time from cricket. I'd rather watch anyone play anyone in international cricket. But i can see how IPL has benefitted indian cricket - can name at least 15 guys who have made it via IPL in other formats. The only excitement or interest for me piques up when someone mentions a good quick bowler - umraan, kuledeep sent etc.
    Else - Cant wait for test matches to start...bring it on!
    Name those 15 guys please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextro View Post
    The IPL has reduced my interest in cricket overall, not just franchise cricket. We have to wait 2 months every year to get some real cricket.
    Unfortunately, for the non IPL fans, two months could very well become a three month wait. I think that is where IPL will eventually be in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I can’t believe this year’s IPL is still going on with daily matches.

    A tournament — which lasts for longer than two months!

    This year I am starting to appreciate the perspective espoused by some that IPL really eats into the Northern Hemisphere season.

    And still another two weeks to go!

    It really is very very long.
    It is going to get longer. The ICC has already cut a deal for IPL window. So it could end up taking 25% of the calendar year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    It is going to get longer. The ICC has already cut a deal for IPL window. So it could end up taking 25% of the calendar year.
    I think the word is facepalm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    Unfortunately, for the non IPL fans, two months could very well become a three month wait. I think that is where IPL will eventually be in the long run.
    The IPL can't afford 3 months for at least 5 years. Although it's still a shame that we'll have to endure this torture of 3rd rate cricket every year for 2 months and potentially 3 months in 5 or so years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I think the word is “facepalm”!
    Quote Originally Posted by Hextro View Post
    The IPL can't afford 3 months for at least 5 years. Although it's still a shame that we'll have to endure this torture of 3rd rate cricket every year for 2 months and potentially 3 months in 5 or so years.
    I think counter measures should be taken. I am surprised that no one is talking about this. There is a big fan base (Non IPL) out there that is thirsty for some cricket. Why is this fan base being ignored?

    Of course the ICC should not be relied upon. The PCB should be leading this counter punch. They have nothing to lose. Their players are fully available. Why not get a couple of other boards together and negotiate a series.

    Fully understand the cricket fans (outside India) frustrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Name those 15 guys please.
    1) Ravi Ashwin - made his debut for CSK and gain recognition from IPL. Went onto become one of the greatest test spinners India ever produced.

    2) Ravi Jadeja - Rajasthan Royals gave him the platform and he went onto become one of the best all rounders India produced.

    3) Suresh Raina - Now one may argue Raina was already playing for India before IPL but he was neither regular nor consistent. He was not even a part of 2007 WT20 team. His game totally transformed since he dawn that yellow jersey of CSK and became one of the greatest white ball batsman India produced. He was instrumental in our WC 2011 victory. Actually his knock was the difference maker in our famous Mohali win.

    4) Rohit Sharma - case very similar to Raina's. Talented batsman but highly inconsistent and not a regular for Indian side. He didnt even make the squad for 2011 WC team. Then IPL 2013 happened, Pondulkar (Ponting + Tendulkar) retired mid tournament and Rohit was appointed captain for Mumbai Indians. As they say...rest is history. Immidiately made his name in CT 2013 that followed, went onto score 3 triple centuries for years to follow. Rohit Sharma the batsman we see today is all due to that day in IPL 2013.

    5) Jasprit Bumrah - no one knew or heard about him. He was not even selected for U19 India team. Then Tendulkar threw him the new ball in IPL 2013 against KKR and here comes a bowler with weird action. We all laughed initially but then reality striked us that the guy is gun. Bumrah went onto become one of the best fast bowlers India ever produced and became an architect of many SENA test wins.

    6) Hardik Pandya - not much to say or write about this legend but it was in IPL 2016 he came into recognition. Dhoni gave him debut immidiately in Asia cup that followed next and rest is history. The way he took apart Bangladeshi bowlers in Dhaka was a sign of something special.

    7) Rishab Pant - yes he was our U19 captain in 2016 but his career totally transformed in Delhi Capitals and under the guidance of Ricky Ponting. He went onto play those memorable knocks in Australia and become one of the best Wk batsman of this generation.

    8) Yuzvendra Chahal - groomed and nurtured by RCB for years and years but never got an opportunity for India due to Ash-Jaddu combo. Then after CT 2017 got an opportunity and created a formidable partnership with Kuldeep Yadav and went onto achieve many good things for Indian cricket. The most famous thing being a series win in Australia.

    9) Kuldeep Yadav - was in KKR's care for years but like Chahal never got opportunity for India. Then when he got, formed the KulCha jodi and created history.

    10) Bhuvaneshwar Kumar - IPL 2012 gave him the breakthrough and then went onto make the dream debut against Pakistan in Bangalore. He will become one of the main stays of Indian cricket and spearhead attack for years to come.

    11) Mohit Sharma - now you will say, hold on Rajdeep...are you out of your mind? But hear me out. Mohit got a breakthrough in IPL 2014 playing for CSK ans within 8 months was leading our attack in 2015 world cup. Not only he was a part of the team but he was our best fast bowler in that tournament and one of the most economic bowler in that world cup where bowlers were getting murdered otherwise.

    12) T.Natarajan - when I talk about Natarajan...I talk about pure heart. No one knew or heard about him till 2020 IPL but suddenly aftet IPL gets a call for Australia tour in white ball format. Then injuries galore in the team forced him to dawn whites and play a test match in Brisbane (where Australia was undefeated for 4 decades). Not only did he play but bowled brilliantly and went onto create history. Only and only IPL can create a player like this overnight

    13) Washington Sundar - for his state team, he was primarily a batsman who can bowl a bat. RCB turned him into an all rounder and like Natarajan, he chipped in Gabba as lead spinners when everyone else was injured. Again, a cricketer prepared by IPL overnight.

    14) KL Rahul - out and out RCB born and bread who is now best Indian batsman across all 3 formats and future Indian captain.

    15) Lord Shardul Thakur - again an IPL pick who created history with both bat and ball in Australia and England.

    Now you only asked for 15 names but there are so many more like Surya Kumar Yadav, Kedar Jadhav, Stuart Binny, M.Shami, Siraj, Ishan Kishan, Deepak Chahar, Krunal Pandya etc etc.

    Also, below are the players who are currently getting nurtured in IPL and will serve Indian cricket for years to come:

    1) Rahul Tripathy
    2) Abhishek Sharma
    3) Venkatesh Iyer
    4) Arshdeep Singh
    5) Harshal Patel
    6) Avesh Khan
    7) Umran Malik
    8) Mukesh Choudhary
    9) Ravi Bishnoi
    10) Mahipal Lomror
    11) Riyan Parag

    The above team itself is capable of beating most T20 sides across the globe


    Now let me ask you a counter question (if I may pls).

    Can you list down 15 players whose career being ruined by IPL?

    And I am only talking about players who went off track due to IPL money and not other factors like marriage etc. Only Hardik Pandya comes to my mind who went off track for a bit but now coming back to his best again. Pls list down 15 such players.

    IPL is the best thing happned to Indian cricket. You, I and everyone knows about it. Had IPL not been there and we would have gone by only U19, Ranji or domestic performances....likes of Unmukt Chand would be captaining India now, some rubbish domestic bully like Abishkar Salvi will be opening bowling attack for us and players like Jasprit Bumrah will be in close chapters. Remember the fate of players like Amol Majumdar, Utpal Chatterjee, Sunil Joshi, Lakshmi Ratan Shuklaetc who rot in domestic cricket for years but got little to no chance in Indian cricket because there was no platform like IPL to showcase their talent.

    Only fools or people who are jealous or people who dont understand this great sport of ours would say IPL is bad for Indian cricket.

    Btw, I can also list down 15 non Indian players who made their career out of IPL and are international stars now. Let me know if you need that


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    Two months of constant t20 is too much for me not that I watch any IPL games.There are other important things to do in life.I do watch my local team which plays in Essex league div one.It is a nice outing on Saturdays when weather is good.

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    Add Surya Kumar Yadav also to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I cant believe this years IPL is still going on with daily matches.

    A tournament which lasts for longer than two months!

    This year I am starting to appreciate the perspective espoused by some that IPL really eats into the Northern Hemisphere season.

    And still another two weeks to go!

    It really is very very long.
    Could have had a few international series by now. Instead we have to put up with this tamasha. They can have their IPL but the window must be eliminated. It was fine when the tournie was shorter but its taking the mickey now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Could have had a few international series by now. Instead we have to put up with this tamasha. They can have their IPL but the window must be eliminated. It was fine when the tournie was shorter but its taking the mickey now.
    Got no problem with IPL at all if it runs for 4-5 weeks. The current >2 months however is ridiculous, and as for the rumoured 3 months, thats absolutely outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenrir View Post
    I haven’t seen any IPL matches because I can’t relate to any teams.I get more enjoyment from watching my local team which plays in the Essex league.You can watch 40 overs matches for free.The cricket ground is in my local park which is ten minutes by foot.What more can one want?.
    I haven't watched any either but this sense of relating to any particular Indian IPL team seems very shallow and off, for many Indian fans as well.

    Here is what I am saying.
    Take the white players out of all IPL teams and then see what kinda passion Gujrati fans have left for Gujrati team and what sense of relating to the Mumbai team is left with the Mumbaikars etc.

    Indian obsession with white skin and feeling good about themselves for playing with white players and having white players in the IPL Indian teams is what makes it run to this much success.

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    Yes its too long I believe but, as far as BCCI is making money they wont be bothered. However, by the appearance and drop in viewership numbers as quoted by some it looks like the tournament possibly touched its peak in terms of its overall viewership and brand. Any further considerable growth in terms of finances will be mainly dependent upon the growth of the Indian economy and overall money the brands have to invest.

    There is a number wise big but overall limited target audience (Based upon number of demographics) to tap in cricketing world in comparison to any other sport like football which is global (In terms of people of different origins and nationalities being into it). Famous leagues in the world with top brand values exist in North American region, some parts of Europe or other similar regions with big economy size and thus much more flexibility to inject money in the sports leagues.

    Another thing is that T20 cricket only offers one color of cricket which makes cricket different than quite a few other sports and thus their leagues in that regard. T20 cricket leagues unlike other sporting leagues dont offer the complete dimensions the sport has to offer and in isolation the T20 format even expanding beyond 3-4 weeks becomes a rigorous and monotonous product to watch (Exceptions of some thrillers aside) I believe. In other sports like football the fans generally watch the matches of the sides they are fan of other than maybe some big matches, in cricket the associations with teams despite the branding attempt is not upto the level where a fan only watches the match of his/her team specifically. So IPL possibly have become more like an evening watch in India for most if people dont have much other plans or things to watch (Indian fans can correct me if its wrong understanding).

    BCCI needs to balance their play out here, they have increased the teams to 10 which even in other threads I mentioned that they might not have these many quality overseas players or overall player base to keep the competition upto the same level (Arguable as its subjective) but, I think some of the overseas players selected and possibly playing in the league are not upto the quality i.e top international players - most being well known around the globe which was associated with the 8 teams model (Correct me if I am wrong). Further expansion to a bigger window will make the BCCI walk on a thinner line where not only the viewership numbers growth wont be matching the growth the league touched in its peak (Assuming there is growth in numbers as the current years suggestions are showing a decline), there might be few boards and ICC that will try to put their head out of the shell and ask to refrain for the further expansion of window.

    So BCCI needs to be careful with their golden goose and try to keep the reality and ambitions as close together as possible.

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    BCCI has zero interest in other teams and the "International Calender".

    If BCCI would, it would drastically reduce "Team India's" games.

    IPL is a money making project that lines the pockets of sponsors and CEO's and fairplay to them.

    It's the ICC's duty to regulate the sport, not the BCCI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstraction1 View Post
    BCCI has zero interest in other teams and the "International Calender".

    If BCCI would, it would drastically reduce "Team India's" games.

    IPL is a money making project that lines the pockets of sponsors and CEO's and fairplay to them.

    It's the ICC's duty to regulate the sport, not the BCCI
    BCCI has zero interest in other teams but it still needs international players for its league.

    I suppose you are one of those IPL fans who believe that IPL can compete with international cricket and it doesn't even need players from other teams. Going by the current TV ratings, it is pretty clear IPL fans will get fed up with so many low quality cricket matches happening everyday on their TV sets.


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    Some of us, as far back as 2008/2009, did say that this would be the death of cricket as we know it.
    So many things have come true.

    The ICC really is the BCCI and bends over for them (South Africa stump mic scenario).
    It's now almost only for the Indian Market and the governing body have thrown away the game for the Indian rupee.

    How much longer before the game dies off completely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Could have had a few international series by now. Instead we have to put up with this tamasha. They can have their IPL but the window must be eliminated. It was fine when the tournie was shorter but its taking the mickey now.
    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Got no problem with IPL at all if it runs for 4-5 weeks. The current >2 months however is ridiculous, and as for the rumoured 3 months, that’s absolutely outrageous.
    I think the blame here goes to the individual boards and to a lesser extent the ICC. The ICC has struck a deal with IPL/BCCI to give IPL a window of no other cricket. But the ICC has little say when it comes to bi-lateral cricket. Boards are free to make their own schedules.

    So it is the individual boards that should be blamed for pocketing $$$ from the IPL and being willing participants in this no cricket IPL window. That is the door that the rest of the non IPL world should be knocking on and questioning.

    Are any cricket fans willing to do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Some of us, as far back as 2008/2009, did say that this would be the death of cricket as we know it.
    So many things have come true.

    The ICC really is the BCCI and bends over for them (South Africa stump mic scenario).
    It's now almost only for the Indian Market and the governing body have thrown away the game for the Indian rupee.

    How much longer before the game dies off completely?
    Almost an equal number of people also predicted back in 2008/9/10 that the IPL will not last. Look at where we are now.

    You 100% right on the ICC. What a backboneless organization. It is unbelievable that no changes happen in the ICC to make it work like a governing body of a sport.

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    Pretty sure that if BCCI wanted an even longer window for the IPL, the ICC would say yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Pretty sure that if BCCI wanted an even longer window for the IPL, the ICC would say yes.
    You bet. All the BCCI has to do is say ok to another ICC tournament. The ICC will extend the window what ever the IPL wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Name those 15 guys please.
    Ash
    Jads
    Jazz Boom
    Hardik & his bro
    Bhuvan
    Yuzi
    Manish
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    Washi
    The Chahars
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    I'll stop at 15.
    Also clarify my premise is that IPL defo helps to hone skills and the mental ability to absorb and perform under pressure. Am not saying its some sort of superior breeding ground, hell ya -i'd rather people like siraj, Gill, umraan kartik tyagi, shivam mavi play county cricket rather than IPL, I also do not sit around & follow game after game. but i'd defo say it has had its knock on effect on indian all format cricket on the whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Some of us, as far back as 2008/2009, did say that this would be the death of cricket as we know it.
    So many things have come true.

    The ICC really is the BCCI and bends over for them (South Africa stump mic scenario).
    It's now almost only for the Indian Market and the governing body have thrown away the game for the Indian rupee.

    How much longer before the game dies off completely?
    Amazing how the BCCI has now leapfrogged the whole 'BIG 3' narrative, now that Aus toured pak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    You bet. All the BCCI has to do is say ok to another ICC tournament. The ICC will extend the window what ever the IPL wants.
    And probably ask them which dates they would prefer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorblind Genius View Post
    I haven't watched any either but this sense of relating to any particular Indian IPL team seems very shallow and off, for many Indian fans as well.

    Here is what I am saying.
    Take the white players out of all IPL teams and then see what kinda passion Gujrati fans have left for Gujrati team and what sense of relating to the Mumbai team is left with the Mumbaikars etc.

    Indian obsession with white skin and feeling good about themselves for playing with white players and having white players in the IPL Indian teams is what makes it run to this much success.
    Gayle , Narine , Bravo and Pollard were the most famous Foreign players with huge fan following in their cities.

    The only few white players who have a huge following are Warner and ABD before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Got no problem with IPL at all if it runs for 4-5 weeks. The current >2 months however is ridiculous, and as for the rumoured 3 months, that’s absolutely outrageous.
    INMHO India doesnt own cricket..therefore they shouldnt be given a three month window let alone a month window..if they play for three months how will the other boards make money or play? its nonsensical..they can have a 4 month window but thats it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abstraction1 View Post
    BCCI has zero interest in other teams and the "International Calender".

    If BCCI would, it would drastically reduce "Team India's" games.

    IPL is a money making project that lines the pockets of sponsors and CEO's and fairplay to them.

    It's the ICC's duty to regulate the sport, not the BCCI
    sure, but even India cant survive without the international game. If the BCCI destroys the yearly calendar for its own interests there wont be any space for other boards to actually play the game.

    World cricket would need to be drastically restructured to save the game and I cant see the BCCI in any position to do so.

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    @Mamoon Please read the link above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    INMHO India doesnt own cricket..therefore they shouldnt be given a three month window let alone a month window..if they play for three months how will the other boards make money or play? its nonsensical..they can have a 4 month window but thats it..
    I agree. There should be no window. No reason to have a window. This is just a domestic tournament. Is there a window for Shield or County?

    The problem though are the individual boards. They have ignored their own fans. They have instead chosen to pander to the IPL and willingly participate in this window existing.

    Why aren't the fans of these teams questioning the boards. The fans for all evidence want their international team to play. Which means there is demand and an opportunity to make $$$. But the boards are totally ignoring this.

    Of course the less said about the ICC the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    sure, but even India cant survive without the international game. If the BCCI destroys the yearly calendar for its own interests there wont be any space for other boards to actually play the game.

    World cricket would need to be drastically restructured to save the game and I cant see the BCCI in any position to do so.
    There is plenty of space. The entire year is available. But the boards are greedy and selfish. They choose to take $$$ from the IPL instead of catering to their fan base. This shrinks the playing calendar.

    Things can be set right if the boards have their fan bases as a priority and listen to them. But no, they have IPL $$$ as their priority. Their own fans seem to be secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    There is plenty of space. The entire year is available. But the boards are greedy and selfish. They choose to take $$$ from the IPL instead of catering to their fan base. This shrinks the playing calendar.

    Things can be set right if the boards have their fan bases as a priority and listen to them. But no, they have IPL $$$ as their priority. Their own fans seem to be secondary.
    true..in england we are hearing about players not going to every IPL and prioritising their country..if the time increases many players will opt or try to negotiate short contracts..e.g. the english players and many aussies too. the length will also put a strain on bodies and players will worry about losing their international places..4-5 weeks is enough..anything above that becomes a problem..also with cost of living issues many fans will just limit their tv outlay (im talking more abroad)..in India , indians want Indian superstars and that means India winning..a losing India is bad for business..

    also global warming means hotter temperatures, which means more injuries. Boards will start to ignore the window which could hurt the IPL in the long run..

    T20 should be short sharp and explosive..not long boring and mediocre..A short fast IPL would be a good tournie..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    true..in england we are hearing about players not going to every IPL and prioritising their country..if the time increases many players will opt or try to negotiate short contracts..e.g. the english players and many aussies too. the length will also put a strain on bodies and players will worry about losing their international places..4-5 weeks is enough..anything above that becomes a problem..also with cost of living issues many fans will just limit their tv outlay (im talking more abroad)..in India , indians want Indian superstars and that means India winning..a losing India is bad for business..

    also global warming means hotter temperatures, which means more injuries. Boards will start to ignore the window which could hurt the IPL in the long run..

    T20 should be short sharp and explosive..not long boring and mediocre..A short fast IPL would be a good tournie..
    Hearing is all that is happening. Not put in practice. Butler played the entire IPL season for RR. So did Bairstow. Not sure about the others. And there are plenty of English players in the IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U$ofA View Post
    Hearing is all that is happening. Not put in practice. Butler played the entire IPL season for RR. So did Bairstow. Not sure about the others. And there are plenty of English players in the IPL.
    Livingstone and Billings as well. Even Moeen too.

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    So finally this tournament's 2022 edition comes to an end...


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    Final was sold out a week in advance. Should be a great atmosphere with 130k+ people at the stadium.

    Likely the largest crowd for a T20 match ever. Perhaps any cricket match.

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    To be honest I expected at least 1.5-2 dozen threads in PakPassion during this season of IPL but it seems fans here are more interested in defending IPL than discussing it in match threads. Now compare this to World Cups and Champions Trophy where every fan is so involved posting their line ups, making strategies etc. It is a totally different atmosphere and involvement of fans is top class. Thank god this circus is going to end today. After two days everyone will forget about it like a bad dream.

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    Thank the Lord that this thing is now over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Thank the Lord that this thing is now over.
    All bad things come to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    All bad things come to an end.
    Unfortunately this is often not the case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    All bad things come to an end.
    Its here to stay - accept it and move on.

    Some good things and some to not like.

    Close to 110k in the final tells me that a lot of people think it was great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan Bluestone View Post
    Unfortunately this is often not the case
    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Its here to stay - accept it and move on.

    Some good things and some to not like.

    Close to 110k in the final tells me that a lot of people think it was great.
    My comment was regarding this year's IPL.

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    Worried about what will happen to all these posters when IPL inevitably expands to becoming twice yearly event and later on to multi stage league lasting most of year with promotion/relegation

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    Personally really happy that IPL finally got finished. Now some international cricket please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pratiktc View Post
    Worried about what will happen to all these posters when IPL inevitably expands to becoming twice yearly event and later on to multi stage league lasting most of year with promotion/relegation
    Lol at the desperation to make IPL look like a football league. It will fall flat on the ground.

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    The funny thing is that when India perform well in a T20I, it's due to the IPL, and when they lose a T20I that's also due to the IPL.



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    IPL is a cash cow. Sure it is over long however the players won't complain about the money and razzmatazz! As I never watch it doesn't bother me at all. Only international Cricket matters to me.


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