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    Tailor beheaded in Udaipur for backing Nupur Sharma as murderers post video on social media

    Tribune News Service

    New Delhi, June 28

    Brutal daylight murder of a tailor in Udaipur's Bhootmahal area on Tuesday sent shock waves across the city with tension prevailing in the area and Rajasthan chief minister Ashok Gehlot appealing for peace.

    Kanhaiya Lal, a 40-year-old tailor, was beheaded by two assailants in his shop ten days after he published a social media post supporting BJP's now suspended spokesperson Nupur Sharma who had invited widespread wrath for her remarks against the Prophet.


    The assailants entered Kanhaiya Lal's shop on the pretext of ordering clothes and before he could sense any trouble, they attacked him with swords, beheading him.

    The accused later posted videos of the crime online and took responsibility even as CM Gehlot urged everyone to refrain from sharing the shocking video.

    Local reports suggested Kanhaiya Lal had been receiving threats from persons of a certain community ever since he came out in Nupur Sharma's support. He had approached the cops who told him to be careful but took no preventive action.

    Local shopkeepers who downed their shutters after the horrific murder today said Kanhaiya had not opened his shop for six days and came in only today.

    Heavy police deployment was ordered in the area and shops in five nearby areas were closed. Family members of the victim raised hue and cry over the state of affairs in the city and demanded justice.

    District Collector Tata Chand Meena and SP Manoj Chaudhary visited the spot, where locals were said to be raging over the murder and the impunity of the crime.

    Even as videos surfaced on social media and netizens expressed absolute shock, CM Ashok Gehlot tweeted, "I condemn the brutal murder of a young man in Udaipur. Culprits will face the law and the police will go to the bottom of this crime. I appeal to all sides to maintain peace. Everyone involved in this brutal murder will be meted out the severest possible punishment."

    The CM described the crime as "brutal beyond imagination" and said he had spoken to the leader of opposition in the state assembly Ghulab Chand Kataria seeking support in maintaining communal harmony in the state and Udaipur.

    Gehlot added that there was an atmosphere of tension and distrust in India.

    "What has happened is extremely sad, shameful. There is tension in the country. I have been repeatedly urging Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah to address the people and calm the tempers. Every nook and alley is volatile. People are in fear. The PM should appeal for peace. It will help," Gehlot said, promising to bring the murderers of Kanhaiya Lal to justice.

    The guilty will not be spared, the police have already been deployed for making arrests, said the CM.

    ACCUSED RELEASED VIDEO AFTER CRIME

    After the crime, the murderers posted a video claiming responsibility for the crime. Identifying themselves as Mohammad Riyaz Ansari and Mohammad Bhai, the accused are saying, "We have beheaded the tailor. We are living for Allah and will die for him." They also issue an open threat to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tri...l-media-407752


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    Kamlesh Tiwari

    Kishan Boliya

    Kanhaiya Lal

    All murdered for alleged insults to Islam.

    Kamlesh Tiwari even served 1 year jail.

    Hindus have to think what is this fake secularism giving them. Who or What is enabling these guys to kill hindus with impunity in a 80 per cent hindu country.

    While the NGOs and leftist cabal are crying on arrest of Zubair for insults to Hinduism and asking he be released. Calling his arrest attack on democracy and FoE.

    Where is the outrage on killing of Hindus? Remember what happened when Samuel Paty was murdered? Remember the outrage on Charlie Hebdo attacks? No such outrage for hindus. Why? Well ask yourself.

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    What else do people expect from India? Stuff like this being a regular occurrence might be due to India being the most populated country in the world with over 1.4 billion people. People that don't know much about India won't believe some of the news that comes out of that country.

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    Indian muslims doing a great job to ensure that BJP keeps coming back to power with absolute majority. Despite being a so called 'dara hua minority' in India, there have been more hindu lynchings by muslims over the last few years in India than the other way around.

    The entire nupur sharma saga had BJP on the backfoot after middle east nations condemned it, now after rioting and killings by muslims it has badly backfired.

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    What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

    The tailor seemed stupid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post

    Where is the outrage on killing of Hindus? Remember what happened when Samuel Paty was murdered? Remember the outrage on Charlie Hebdo attacks? No such outrage for hindus. Why? Well ask yourself.
    These two people will be arrested and thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.. What're you complaining about ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

    The tailor seemed stupid.
    You have no right to kill based on someone's whatsapp status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    You have no right to kill based on someone's whatsapp status.
    I didn't say anything about the murder. All I said was the tailor didn't seem like a bright individual.


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    I saw the video. The two pretend to be his customers before attacking him from behind.

    And the post-victory video - the smiling peace on their faces is similar to what you'd expect to see on a severely ******** person's face, blissfully unaware of the real world they live in.

    Hopefully, the case doesn't drag on and they're swiftly sent to rot in jail. You don't want the death penalty for them. You need them to die slowly.

    I'll still blame Modi's BJP for this though. They've been sprinkling petrol across the country and have now started the fires. **** like these two guys used to exist earlier too, but were kept hidden inside the woodwork through careful and thoughtful politics and law and order. But now they're being encouraged to come out.

    I really don't know if India can recover from what Modi has unleashed here.

    Anti-India Pakistanis must be over themselves in glee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I didn't say anything about the murder. All I said was the tailor didn't seem like a bright individual.
    Your feelings need to be kept tucked inside. The onus is not on me to be smart or stupid when dealing with you, so long as I'm not physically attacking you or disrupting your real-world life. Your fantasy world life should be your personal business kept within the four walls of your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    You have no right to kill based on someone's whatsapp status.
    You were just advocating for someone to get shot in the Muslim journalist thread. Stop acting like you have any sort of moral high ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

    The tailor seemed stupid.
    So he should be killed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexRex View Post
    These two people will be arrested and thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.. What're you complaining about ?
    Same was said when Kamlesh was killed. Still Kishan Boliya happened. Then Kanhaiyalal happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So he should be killed?
    Where did I say that?

    All I said was he took a very big risk by supporting someone like Nupur Sharma. He didn't even do it anonymously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

    The tailor seemed stupid.
    Yeah and that's the last thought one should have on learning of his fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Where did I say that?

    All I said was he took a very big risk by supporting someone like Nupur Sharma. He didn't even do it anonymously.

    No, you are justifying it. Have some shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    I saw the video. The two pretend to be his customers before attacking him from behind.

    And the post-victory video - the smiling peace on their faces is similar to what you'd expect to see on a severely ******** person's face, blissfully unaware of the real world they live in.

    Hopefully, the case doesn't drag on and they're swiftly sent to rot in jail. You don't want the death penalty for them. You need them to die slowly.

    I'll still blame Modi's BJP for this though. They've been sprinkling petrol across the country and have now started the fires. **** like these two guys used to exist earlier too, but were kept hidden inside the woodwork through careful and thoughtful politics and law and order. But now they're being encouraged to come out.

    I really don't know if India can recover from what Modi has unleashed here.

    Anti-India Pakistanis must be over themselves in glee.
    So Modi has unleashed Muslims to kill hindus?

    If by careful thoughtful politics you mean appeasement of muslims and allowing them to have their say whenever they want,then i am happy that that politics is gone.

    Mask is slipping from the face of this fake secularism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Same was said when Kamlesh was killed. Still Kishan Boliya happened. Then Kanhaiyalal happened.
    Well, in this case .. we actually know who did it, the killers made a video. So they'll be identified soon enough by the police.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Where did I say that?

    All I said was he took a very big risk by supporting someone like Nupur Sharma. He didn't even do it anonymously.
    Why it should be a risk to support Nupur Sharma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexRex View Post
    Well, in this case .. we actually know who did it, the killers made a video. So they'll be identified soon enough by the police.
    Killers were identified in the other 2 cases too.

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    Shining India. Thank God have zilch association with a extremist nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexRex View Post
    No, you are justifying it. Have some shame.
    No. I am not justifying anything.

    When people support this type of thing, you expect them to be anonymous. That's Internet 101.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    If by careful thoughtful politics you mean appeasement of muslims and allowing them to have their say whenever they want,then i am happy that that politics is gone.
    Man, do you actually care about that tailor or are you just interested in point scoring.

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    RiP to the shop keeper..

    Beheading, killing, cutting of hands seems to be an occurrence when ppl talk about Islam and certain Muslims don't like it, be it France, Eng, India or wherever else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    Man, do you actually care about that tailor or are you just interested in point scoring.
    I want my country to be truly secular. Thats it.

    Every man should have the fear of law in his heart. A fear so deep that even thinking of breaking the law would give them shivers.

    The only law that should matter should be the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextro View Post
    You were just advocating for someone to get shot in the Muslim journalist thread. Stop acting like you have any sort of moral high ground.
    You better stop preaching.
    He is not a Journalist, he is one of the culprit behind the recent issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Shining India. Thank God have zilch association with a extremist nation.
    What about the killings by Isis in UK? Shining example of what?

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    I reiterate -

    what Nupur Sharma said was wrong but this entire backlash of riots & beheadings would have been averted had liberals not blown it out of proportion for their political mileage. The blood is on their hand.

    Now if Gujarat 2002 kind of situation happens in Rajasthan, who is to blame? Just go and look at twitter....people are fuming with anger and are in revenge mood. The murder is so horrific that police himself advising people to not watch the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    I reiterate -

    what Nupur Sharma said was wrong b.
    So you agree the Hadith is wrong ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post

    Now if Gujarat 2002 kind of situation happens in Rajasthan, who is to blame? Just go and look at twitter....people are fuming with anger and are in revenge mood. The murder is so horrific that police himself advising people to not watch the video.
    I saw what's trending in Twitter, quite concerning. If Gujarat type scenario happens again, a lot of innocent Muslims.will be killed in plain sight. Praying we don't have another one of these situations..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    I saw what's trending in Twitter, quite concerning. If Gujarat type scenario happens again, a lot of innocent Muslims.will be killed in plain sight. Praying we don't have another one of these situations..
    These two idiots shouldnt have done what they did. Killed an innocent person and left their people vulnerable to attacks. Not to forget, also reinforced the Islamic barbarism stereotype
    Last edited by BreadPakoda; 28th June 2022 at 21:43.

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    Some introspection needed for certain people calling raising Islamophobia. These incidents will only perpetuate this. Why does beheading seems to be the norm for one particular religion only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Now if Gujarat 2002 kind of situation happens in Rajasthan, who is to blame? Just go and look at twitter....people are fuming with anger and are in revenge mood. The murder is so horrific that police himself advising people to not watch the video.
    Don't get too excited and start drooling sitting in the UK. The Congress is in power in Rajasthan, not Modi. So Gujarat won't happen over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    Don't get too excited and start drooling sitting in the UK. The Congress is in power in Rajasthan, not Modi. So Gujarat won't happen over again.
    Only in congress ruled state these beheadings can takes place. Under BJPs rule only law & order....else bulldozer

    Also, how do you know Gujarat 2002 kind of scenario won't happen? Are you not following the news? I know you guys (liberals) are in backfoot now knowing you have blown that Nupur Sharma incident out of control.


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    Situation in Rajasthan is tense. This needs to be handled very carefully. This is not the job of just 2 men. Government must go deep into the case and weed out whoever was responsible for this act.

    These guys are sitting on a powder keg and playing with fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Only in congress ruled state these beheadings can takes place. Under BJPs rule only law & order....else bulldozer
    Was Modiji dozing on that bulldozer when Gujarat happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    You better stop preaching.
    He is not a Journalist, he is one of the culprit behind the recent issues.
    This comment has cleared all my suspensions. You're a extremist. You're willing to shoot people because of tweets.

    There's isn't much to say other than your mentality is disgusting.

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    And then we wonder why some people settle abroad and show their fake love towards India from outside. They don't want to do anything with this third world country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Situation in Rajasthan is tense. This needs to be handled very carefully. This is not the job of just 2 men. Government must go deep into the case and weed out whoever was responsible for this act.

    These guys are sitting on a powder keg and playing with fire.
    The Moulvi needs to be arrested and the Mosque needs to be shutdown for preaching sar tan se juda.

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    This is horrific. The man was fooled by these murderers and was actually serving them by taking their measurements, whilst he was ambushed by one of them stabbing him and the other one recording it.

    RIP humanity. This is not Islam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    And then we wonder why some people settle abroad and show their fake love towards India from outside. They don't want to do anything with this third world country.
    Well, wasnt a Brit teacher beheaded a few years back for saying something against Islam? The mindset of few people just doesnt change irrespective of where they live. Another example of how religion divides people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Well, wasnt a Brit teacher beheaded a few years back for saying something against Islam? The mindset of few people just doesnt change irrespective of where they live. Another example of how religion divides people.
    My bad, think it was a French teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    What kind of idiot would support someone like Nupur Sharma?

    The tailor seemed stupid.
    Is that your biggest takeaway from this incident? I dont know to find that funny or be horrified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    So you agree the Hadith is wrong ?
    I guess sometimes to leave somethings alone makes sense. Even though Nupur was provoked, she unfortunately should have maintained decorum because as you see things can go out of hand fast.

    This was a guy who supported her, imagine if she didnt get vip security what some of these cretins want to do with her.

    Some of the stories from Kashmir we heard what happened to some women and put that in context gives you chills.
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    I understand that the purpose of the thread is to score points and for a poster to prove a point he has against muslims and secularism.

    The killing by these murderers is wrong and should be condemn(which sadly many muslims wont and sooner or later you will find pakistanis praising the killer).

    But at the same time, this incident doesnt justify whatever Nupur Sharma said or did.

    I dont wanna generalize but it seems as if secularism has failed in your country and thats more worrying.

    Hindus being insensitive to muslim beliefs while muslims waiting to blow over any incident over the discrimination they have faced over the years.

    Anyways, this dumb act is gonna lead to riots against muslims where the politician and the police will turn a blind eye.

    Many posters say that two nationa theory was a failiure because bangladesh got to form, but my question is this to those people:

    If two nation theory was a failiure, than can you gurantee that the largest minority of India(Muslims) would now be safe after this incident?


    The first and only PM of Pakistan to lose the peoples confidence = Imran Khan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    I understand that the purpose of the thread is to score points and for a poster to prove a point he has against muslims and secularism.

    The killing by these murderers is wrong and should be condemn(which sadly many muslims wont and sooner or later you will find pakistanis praising the killer).

    But at the same time, this incident doesnt justify whatever Nupur Sharma said or did.

    I dont wanna generalize but it seems as if secularism has failed in your country and thats more worrying.

    Hindus being insensitive to muslim beliefs while muslims waiting to blow over any incident over the discrimination they have faced over the years.

    Anyways, this dumb act is gonna lead to riots against muslims where the politician and the police will turn a blind eye.

    Many posters say that two nationa theory was a failiure because bangladesh got to form, but my question is this to those people:

    If two nation theory was a failiure, than can you gurantee that the largest minority of India(Muslims) would now be safe after this incident?
    Two nations was not a failure. Infact, the two countries should just exchange their minority population & just be done with it. Enough of this daily drama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    I saw what's trending in Twitter, quite concerning. If Gujarat type scenario happens again, a lot of innocent Muslims.will be killed in plain sight. Praying we don't have another one of these situations..
    In the age of social media, BJP/RSS and Modi killer wont get away so easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    I

    But at the same time, this incident doesnt justify whatever Nupur Sharma said or did.

    Hindus being insensitive to muslim beliefs while muslims waiting to blow over any incident over the discrimination they have faced over the years.

    ?
    I agree with the first sentence however do you know why she said what she said?

    Sensitivity to religion works both ways.

    I would argue that India has been more sensitive to sentiments of Muslims and other minorities than Hindus.

    What do you think would happen if Pak industry made movies like PK or OMG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So he should be killed?
    Dont you advocate an eye for an eye? You were busy defending bjp supporters saying its fine for them to do what they do because muslims are this and that

    So whats the problem here? You cant have your cake and eat it too

    If your gonna make excuses for one side then same should apply to other An eye for an eye and let india go blind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Dont you advocate an eye for an eye? You were busy defending bjp supporters saying its fine for them to do what they do because muslims are this and that

    So whats the problem here? You cant have your cake and eat it too

    If your gonna make excuses for one side then same should apply to other An eye for an eye and let india go blind
    Eye for an eye,

    Support for a statement said by someone else results in beheading.

    Sorry Am I the only one who thinks it doesnt apply here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Kamlesh Tiwari

    Kishan Boliya

    Kanhaiya Lal

    All murdered for alleged insults to Islam.

    Kamlesh Tiwari even served 1 year jail.

    Hindus have to think what is this fake secularism giving them. Who or What is enabling these guys to kill hindus with impunity in a 80 per cent hindu country.

    While the NGOs and leftist cabal are crying on arrest of Zubair for insults to Hinduism and asking he be released. Calling his arrest attack on democracy and FoE.

    Where is the outrage on killing of Hindus? Remember what happened when Samuel Paty was murdered? Remember the outrage on Charlie Hebdo attacks? No such outrage for hindus. Why? Well ask yourself.
    Sad as it gets but there is another angle to it for the bolded part.

    Hindus have to THINK? Or perhaps some of those extremist and full of hatred Hindus have to LEARN not to mess with stuff that may put their lives in danger?
    Basic common sense, no?

    Indian population should have learned it by now, that if the ALLEGATION of eating beef can you get you killed and then insulting certain aspects of other faiths can also get you killed.

    India has fast becoming a hotbed of extremism in Hinduism, and results are in front of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post

    I think these two guys are actually Hindus, who are sporting long beards and wearing Islamic caps to portray as Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Dont you advocate an eye for an eye? You were busy defending bjp supporters saying its fine for them to do what they do because muslims are this and that

    So whats the problem here? You cant have your cake and eat it too

    If your gonna make excuses for one side then same should apply to other An eye for an eye and let india go blind
    This is not eye for an eye..

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    Religion is an issue terrible incident , China has done the right thing they created a great future for themselves.

    Cultural revolution before 1947 in India would had saved so many lives in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What about the killings by Isis in UK? Shining example of what?
    I condone all forms of extremism. But India with a population of near 2 billion it's very very worrying we are seeing a hotbed of Hinduvta extremists who are making life hell for minorities and the likes of you and others are defending their actions. Yet when we see a isolated incident which is wrong you jump out to all conclusions. I can sense you as a weak Ten faced Hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    I condone all forms of extremism. But India with a population of near 2 billion it's very very worrying we are seeing a hotbed of Hinduvta extremists who are making life hell for minorities and the likes of you and others are defending their actions. Yet when we see a isolated incident which is wrong you jump out to all conclusions. I can sense you as a weak Ten faced Hypocrite.
    A perfect thread/topic to discuss and critique Hindutva extremism, isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Religion is an issue terrible incident , China has done the right thing they created a great future for themselves.

    Cultural revolution before 1947 in India would had saved so many lives in future.
    No religion is not the issue. No religion preaches such violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    This is horrific. The man was fooled by these murderers and was actually serving them by taking their measurements, whilst he was ambushed by one of them stabbing him and the other one recording it.

    RIP humanity. This is not Islam
    Yes this is not Islam. But unfortunately these guys are Muslims.

    Prophet(PBUH) didn't even kill people who insulted him on his face. Atleast learn compassion from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    No religion is not the issue. No religion preaches such violence.
    Just like Guns dont but we use them for violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextro View Post
    This comment has cleared all my suspensions. You're a extremist. You're willing to shoot people because of tweets.

    There's isn't much to say other than your mentality is disgusting.
    Kanhiaya Lal was beheaded. MD. Zubair was arrested and will be let off in a day or 2.

    What the hell are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    I condone all forms of extremism. But India with a population of near 2 billion it's very very worrying we are seeing a hotbed of Hinduvta extremists who are making life hell for minorities and the likes of you and others are defending their actions. Yet when we see a isolated incident which is wrong you jump out to all conclusions. I can sense you as a weak Ten faced Hypocrite.
    Isolated incidents? 3 people have been killed in India in the name of insult to the prophet(pbuh)in last 3 years. Many have been killed around the world. The world isn't worried about Hindutva. They are worried about Muslim extremism.

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    All keep things civil please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Kanhiaya Lal was beheaded. MD. Zubair was arrested and will be let off in a day or 2.

    What the hell are you talking about?
    At least know the context of a conversation before jumping in. This Cover_Drive fellow was advocating for that Zubair guy to be shot.

    As I said a complete extremist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Isolated incidents? 3 people have been killed in India in the name of insult to the prophet(pbuh)in last 3 years. Many have been killed around the world. The world isn't worried about Hindutva. They are worried about Muslim extremism.
    Many were killed by BJP goons too.

    I remember one village guy (Muslim) got shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Isolated incidents? 3 people have been killed in India in the name of insult to the prophet(pbuh)in last 3 years. Many have been killed around the world. The world isn't worried about Hindutva. They are worried about Muslim extremism.
    People have been killed in India for allegedly eating beef, people have found the penis of their lord in a mosque, people kill their baby girls at the access of over a MILLION a year. All sorts of things happen in India. What are you trying to say?

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    senseless loss of life should always be avoided. I hope the criminals get what is coming to them for this transgression.

    Indians really have to take a long hard look a themselves. A country which was heading towards lofty ideals of tolerance and peace within a nation of adherents of so many religions has now become a cesspool where religion is used for politics, much like other third world countries. The Hindu, as well as Muslim leaders use the religion to gain power and the common Indian is quick in handing it to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    senseless loss of life should always be avoided. I hope the criminals get what is coming to them for this transgression.
    Yep, agreed.

    Indians really have to take a long hard look a themselves. A country which was heading towards lofty ideals of tolerance and peace within a nation of adherents of so many religions has now become a cesspool where religion is used for politics, much like other third world countries. The Hindu, as well as Muslim leaders use the religion to gain power and the common Indian is quick in handing it to them.
    well, they have been supporting religious extremism and terrorism in Pakistan through Afghanistan, and now they have seen it surfacing it's ugly head in their own backyard........ well, Karma is a capital B.
    He who digs a pit for others, falls himself into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    senseless loss of life should always be avoided. I hope the criminals get what is coming to them for this transgression.

    Indians really have to take a long hard look a themselves. A country which was heading towards lofty ideals of tolerance and peace within a nation of adherents of so many religions has now become a cesspool where religion is used for politics, much like other third world countries. The Hindu, as well as Muslim leaders use the religion to gain power and the common Indian is quick in handing it to them.
    I hope you apply these holier than thou sermons for cultures and countries in which you probably have a lot more stake in or are you saying everything is fine there.

    I usually see you way more active on these topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Is that your biggest takeaway from this incident? I don’t know to find that funny or be horrified.
    To be honest, this drama was started by Nupur Sharma. Blood is on her hand.

    I don't support this attack. This attack was counterproductive as it put Indian Muslims in danger.

    Having said that, the victim was also not a very intelligent bloke. He shouldn't have posted what he posted (that too without anonymity).
    Last edited by sweep_shot; 29th June 2022 at 01:41.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    I hope you apply these holier than thou sermons for cultures and countries in which you probably have a lot more stake in or are you saying everything is fine there.

    I usually see you way more active on these topics.
    Well I did mention all third world countries, didnt I? That includes all even Muslims ones if you are alleging I am somehow trying to claim this crap does not happen there.. LOL.

    And thanks for admitting you are a creepy forum stalker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Isolated incidents? 3 people have been killed in India in the name of insult to the prophet(pbuh)in last 3 years. Many have been killed around the world. The world isn't worried about Hindutva. They are worried about Muslim extremism.
    The other thing is that the issues being brought up in the Nupur Sharma episode, not even the Prophet's (PBUH) most ardent enemies mentioned it. Even enemies of Islam thereafter through the centuries did not see it as anything to attack the Prophet (PBUH) and Muslims. Just look at the history and you will see.

    This is something Islamophobes have latched onto in the last few decades about something they don't understand or have full knowledge about. And because of it, innocent people are being killed on both sides.

    This was a heinous and despicable act but dare I say, it won't be the last sadly on both sides or any side for that matter.

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    Indian police arrested two men on Tuesday after they allegedly beheaded a Hindu tailor on camera over his support online for Nupur Sharma the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) former official whose derogatory remarks against Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) earlier this month sparked global protests.

    Authorities in the western city of Udaipur shut down the internet and restricted gatherings after the gory video of the attack was posted online drawing huge numbers of viewers.

    Sharma, a spokeswoman for the right-wing BJP until her sacking this month, sparked a furore in the Islamic world when she made a disrespectful comment on the Prophet on a TV show.

    The remarks sparked widespread protests in India and abroad, with Muslims demanding she be severely punished, and the row has since sparked violence in Udaipur.

    Both the accused in the killing have been arrested and we will ensure strict punishment and speedy justice, Ashok Gehlot, chief minister in the state of Rajasthan, where Udaipur is located, said on Twitter.

    Gehlot appealed to people to stay calm and not share the video as it would serve the attackers' motive of creating discord in society.

    Rana Ayyub, an independent Indian journalist and defender of women's rights, termed the incident "triggering and most barbaric".

    She called upon the authorities that the perpetrators needed to be brought to book and be given the strictest punishment possible.

    Another journalist, Geeta Mohan, said the "religious extremists" involved in the murder should be brought to book.

    She urged people to demonstrate patience and "let the law take its course".

    According to local media, the victim was a tailor who shared a post supporting Sharma about 10 days ago and had since received death threats.

    The assailants came to his shop posing as customers before attacking him with large knives.

    Authorities rushed additional police into Udaipur on Tuesday to counter any religious unrest.

    Sharma has not been seen in public since her remarks sparked uproar and embroiled India in a diplomatic storm, with the governments of nearly 20 countries calling in Indian envoys for an explanation.

    The row followed anger across the Muslim world in 2020 after French President Emmanuel Macron defended the right of a satirical magazine to publish caricatures of the Holy Prophet.

    French teacher Samuel Paty was beheaded in October 2020 by a Chechen refugee after showing blasphemous cartoons to his class in a lesson on free speech.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1697162/in...-islam-remarks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    The other thing is that the issues being brought up in the Nupur Sharma episode, not even the Prophet's (PBUH) most ardent enemies mentioned it. Even enemies of Islam thereafter through the centuries did not see it as anything to attack the Prophet (PBUH) and Muslims. Just look at the history and you will see.

    This is something Islamophobes have latched onto in the last few decades about something they don't understand or have full knowledge about. And because of it, innocent people are being killed on both sides.

    This was a heinous and despicable act but dare I say, it won't be the last sadly on both sides or any side for that matter.
    Then shouldnt she be educated about it rather than destroying property, disturbing regular peoples lives, beheading people and threatening to rape and kill a woman?

    That automatically puts the ball in the other court and you should be even more vocal about this incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Then shouldn’t she be educated about it rather than destroying property, disturbing regular peoples lives, beheading people and threatening to rape and kill a woman?

    That automatically puts the ball in the other court and you should be even more vocal about this incident.
    Yes, I don't agree with any of the violence and killing. She definitely should be educated on these matters but she obviously and the BJP weren't apologetic about it until the Gulf countries got involved a week later.

    Her apology wasn't even a real one, only forced to do so by the party even then she was trying to justify what she said. This is why resentment grew with even more ferocity.

    Just be sincere in your apology and don't try to justify it with more rubbish, and things may have calmed down. Basically, she's bitten off more than she can chew. Ultimately, I think the Hindutva are looking for confrontation and these types of incident are a perfect vehicle for it.

    I wonder how she might feeling right now? Knowing the after effects of her actions. Kanhaiya Lal was an unwitting bystander in all of this and has ultimately paid with his life. I feel sorry for his family and hope they are supported at this awful time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    No religion is not the issue. No religion preaches such violence.
    Seriously? Religion is not the issue here?
    I would say think again.

    The whole point of secularism is to co existence which seems to fail india


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    This was wrong. Hopefully they are brought to justice and a painful death themselves. RIP to the tailor.

    Pakistani and muslim brothers we must condemn this behaviour wherever we see it. This is not right..showboating on the camera, using trickery etc. These were cowards. you can't resort to mob style violence and this cowardly gang up attack that they did. There are many more honourable and non violent ways to make your beliefs clear.

    I know people were very upset about that bjp lady's remarks. But any kind of violence on an unsuspecting man is never and will never be the answer. End of story

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Many were killed by BJP goons too.

    I remember one village guy (Muslim) got shot.
    Many have been killed by Muslims because they were non muslims and were having an affair with a muslim girl or were a non muslim girl and refused to convert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    This is not eye for an eye..
    Certain posters here are quick to defend certain acts because they are done by their fellow religionists and condone others committed by others from the other religion

    Its quite disgusting the double standards

    Oh and by the way i dont condone this act If guilty they should face the full might of the law no matter which religion they belong to, its seriously shameful certain sections of the indian community dont feel this way tho when their own commit crimes and will defend discrimination violence and threats against others

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