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    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    Babar is worst player to play T20's if he was in any other team nobody would consider playing him but here in Pakistan not only he plays all the games but majority of the people actually believe that he's the best T20 batter in the world.

    Don't get me wrong he's a fabulous player as far as ODI is concerned & above average player as far as tests are concerned but in T20's he's so bad.
    Rizwan OTOH is above average player in T20's & should be persisted with unless we find Gilchrist or De kock. Babar is holding Rizwan back by forcing him to take all the risks while he himself is content with 20 on 20 or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    Rizwan OTOH is above average player in T20's & should be persisted with unless we find Gilchrist or De kock. Babar is holding Rizwan back by forcing him to take all the risks while he himself is content with 20 on 20 or so.
    Babar and Rizwan followed by Shan is not good Rizwan has been worked out by teams better bowlers will work on his offsides weakness Babar will get bogged down by better bowlers.

    After that you’ll have Shan coming in playing his game struggling to hit the bowlers followed by Iftikhar and Shadab once Pakistan get knocked out we can say that sums it all up as far as the batting is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    Babar and Rizwan followed by Shan is not good Rizwan has been worked out by teams better bowlers will work on his offsides weakness Babar will get bogged down by better bowlers.

    After that you’ll have Shan coming in playing his game struggling to hit the bowlers followed by Iftikhar and Shadab once Pakistan get knocked out we can say that sums it all up as far as the batting is concerned.
    Shan should come at number 3 if a wicket falls in first 6 overs. We should float the likes of Shadab and Nawaz up the order.

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    Shan coming in at 3 is a dream for any opposing captain


    Perfect player to allow and occupy the crease once Babar and Rizwan have eaten up quite a few deliveries with the RR at 8-9

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    Babar just doesn't have that extra gear, that's why he strikes at 128 in t20is.
    Also he is a bit selfish.

    Same goes for Rizwan, but atleast he takes risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Babar just doesn't have that extra gear, that's why he strikes at 128 in t20is.
    Also he is a bit selfish.

    Same goes for Rizwan, but atleast he takes risks.
    Not a bit he's probably the most selfish player Pakistan has ever produced. He only care about his average & is not suited for T20's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    Not a bit he's probably the most selfish player Pakistan has ever produced. He only care about his average & is not suited for T20's.
    That's harsh, there's a few of them about or have been and don't think he's the worst.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Babar just doesn't have that extra gear, that's why he strikes at 128 in t20is.
    Also he is a bit selfish.

    Same goes for Rizwan, but atleast he takes risks.
    Once he's faced at least 30 balls, his SR does increase and once he's faced at least 50 or more balls, it does get a lot better. I just think doesn't seem as obvious because he doesn't relay on brute power.

    Babar is a classy and elegant player that relies more on his stroke making ability and finesse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arif_2021 View Post
    rizwan bailed us out??? are you kidding me??

    asif ali's two sixes bailed us out.

    please give credit where its due.
    Two sixes >>> 88 runs? That's pretty crazy maths there lol. Rizwan was the MVP and has been for a long time now, whereas Asif Ali once again will inevitably be roasted alive by this forum in the near future.

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    Don't bother posting on PP if you cant show respect to others opinions. We wont tolerate it.


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    He couldn't even win PSL with Ab, Baz etc and kept Sohail Akhtar as captain. Bade aaye baat karne. They came close to winning Asia Cup and WT20 if not for Hasan dropped catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullycricket View Post
    He couldn't even win PSL with Ab, Baz etc and kept Sohail Akhtar as captain. Bade aaye baat karne. They came close to winning Asia Cup and WT20 if not for Hasan dropped catch.
    You were not following the game

    Pakistan were destined to lose that match with our without that catch. No way Rauf was defending 15 odd runs against Cummins and Stoinis

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    Yes it is the reality they directly won't win your tourneys buy they might become means to win games if they continue to provide 85/0 after 10 overs, then it is more likely Team might score 180 runs

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    Babar will enjoy batting in Australia. The ball comes on to the bat nicely with some good bounce and outfields are fast. Deft touches are a lot of times enough to hit a boundary there in front of the wicket.
    Plus with big grounds, strike rotation and quick running is of paramount importance something Babar and Rizwan are very good at. I would still like to have Fakhar in place of Khushdil.
    In Australia you need an extra seamer who may or may not be called on to bowl his full quota. Wasim fits that bill and can slog around as well. He could come in for Iftikhar.


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    Babar will enjoy batting in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Rizwan wouldn’t be opening had not fakhar’s poor performance as an opener. Rizwan took his place as all of a sudden he was consistently putting up runs. Fakhar has had 50 games as an opener and still not delivered. If Rizwan returned that same performance over so many games he’d probably be dropped.

    Sharjeel isn’t in the team because of his fixing involvement. Had he not fixed he still would have been an opener (had he continued performing).

    Sharjeel definitely didn’t have Pakistan’s best interests at heart when he chose to fix.

    I’m sure Babar himself would consider dropping down if Fakhar was worth it. But a guy averaging 22 at sr 130 isn’t nowhere near Babar’s record. He’s not going to want to risk his form for that performance, it will hurt the team more if he loses form at 3.
    You are simply delusional. This opening pair is a disaster for Pakistan but you would have to pull your head out of sand to see it.

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    babar is a clown in t20. would rather have abdullah shafique in place of him

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    This opening partnership is too conservative for T20s. They target around 40 runs in first 6 overs in the name of saving wickets. Other teams target 60+ runs in first 6 overs. So with this opening partnership Pakistan is already starting behind other teams.
    Then they do not have the talent to go berserk when needed in last overs especially Rizwan. So usually they end up losing wickets and other batsmen do not have enough time to go fast as this pair has already used lot of deliveries.
    So its a double whammy for Pakistan that it cannot score fast runs in first overs and cannot score fast runs in last overs. And the main reason is this opening partnership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    This opening partnership is too conservative for T20s. They target around 40 runs in first 6 overs in the name of saving wickets. Other teams target 60+ runs in first 6 overs. So with this opening partnership Pakistan is already starting behind other teams.
    Then they do not have the talent to go berserk when needed in last overs especially Rizwan. So usually they end up losing wickets and other batsmen do not have enough time to go fast as this pair has already used lot of deliveries.
    So its a double whammy for Pakistan that it cannot score fast runs in first overs and cannot score fast runs in last overs. And the main reason is this opening partnership.
    That argument of going harder is true if they have a middle order in which they don't.

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    Today Babar batted through and remained not out

    The opposition scored the runs with 30 balls to spare.

    Aqib Javaid should apply for the national coach role. We need him more than you guys think!

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    Gem from Aaqib Javed

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    GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out)

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    they definately hit the bed when it matters.... what a useless bunch of test players in t20...

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    They need to play at 3 and 4 and solve this middle order issue . Why being so selfish . Get fakhar and Sharjeel or any other opener .

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    Sir Aqib Javed

    Thank you for bravely providing a voice in mainstream media

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    Mental Midgets these two especially in pressure games. Doesn't matter where these two bat if they don't want to be they're in high pressure games.

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    Nasser Hussain does well hiding as a cricket pundit

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    Looks like Aqib was right all along.

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    You have Butler and Hales setting the world on fire, the pure definition of T20 killer openers!!!! and then you have Babar and Rizwan...

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    I have great admiration for Rohit Sharma

    He realises that him and KL have a responsibility to utilise the powerplay and go hard. They may not come off every time but they are trying to reinvent their game

    They want to make sure that no Indian pundit labels the same criticism on them. This is the right attitude to apply. Not “koi farq nahi parhta” attitude

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    One thing is certain, if these 2 get out early, a collapse is always around the corner

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    Sir Aqib Javed

    InshaAllah the next head coach of Pakistan

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    I was all over the place when it came to Kane in T20s (when he could score and could score at an okay rate).

    But Pakistan seem to have two Kane's lol.

    You can really afford one, the other should be a slogger who can get the team off to a good start.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I was all over the place when it came to Kane in T20s (when he could score and could score at an okay rate).

    But Pakistan seem to have two Kane's lol.

    You can really afford one, the other should be a slogger who can get the team off to a good start.
    We have Kane and Undertaker

    The brothers of destruction

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    One thing is certain, if these 2 get out early, a collapse is always around the corner
    Either way, this batting line up is probably only going to get you far on sluggish tracks where 120-140 is good. Against the big teams on a decent track where 160-170 is a below par total, you will be hammered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    You have Butler and Hales setting the world on fire, the pure definition of T20 killer openers!!!! and then you have Babar and Rizwan...
    And after babar and rizwan get out early we have shan iftikhar asif khushdil and likes.
    Its a pitynwe have maxwells and buttlers sitting in every nook and corner in Pak but we dont pick them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Either way, this batting line up is probably only going to get you far on sluggish tracks where 120-140 is good. Against the big teams on a decent track where 160-170 is a below par total, you will be hammered.
    They dont have babar and rizwans replacements. The best they can do is break this opening partnership and try and explosive opener and babar comes in at 3. But then again we dont know who can play that role. May be asif ali

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Either way, this batting line up is probably only going to get you far on sluggish tracks where 120-140 is good. Against the big teams on a decent track where 160-170 is a below par total, you will be hammered.
    Indeed. Pakistan are underdogs in Australia for this reason but the same squad might be close to favourites in the UAE.

    I don't expect anything from the WC except for us to make up the numbers. Hopefully the openers and bowlers can stave off a complete humilation for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Indeed. Pakistan are underdogs in Australia for this reason but the same squad might be close to favourites in the UAE.

    I don't expect anything from the WC except for us to make up the numbers. Hopefully the openers and bowlers can stave off a complete humilation for us.
    The openers will do well for themselves only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    The openers will do well for themselves only
    and the rest of the batting order? What will they do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    and the rest of the batting order? What will they do?
    They will do what they are left to do. Especially when specialist middle order players are opening. Maybe those middle order players who are struggling can also have a chance as openers to find their feet at this level

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    The knives are out

    But what a chance for our famed middle order to perform


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    Sir Aqib Javed

    Izzat se naam lo boss ka!

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    If you know you know

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    Aaqib might be vindicated when the T20 WC is finished, RizBar ******* take note


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    I think Pakistan has two similar players at the top. Six hitting ability of Babar came up. The defense was he could pierce gaps and take singles/twos and hit fours no need of sixes and sixes are over-rated something like that. Well, we found the importance of sixes in the recent encounter. Here is a little stat

    Last 5 years, against regular 10 test nations. ( min 300 balls) sixes per ball. Two similar type of batsmen who cannot change into an enforcer any time due to this inadequacy.


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    Amazing table that

    However I think in Australia Babar and rizwan type of players will
    Succeed due to rotation of strike and large grounds

    What they need to do is get pakistsn to 80/0 after 10 overs then go crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by arif_2021 View Post
    Amazing table that

    However I think in Australia Babar and rizwan type of players will
    Succeed due to rotation of strike and large grounds

    What they need to do is get pakistsn to 80/0 after 10 overs then go crazy
    80/0 after 10 overs is just average or below average score. RIZ & BAB must utilize powerplay to full extent, purpose of powerplay is not for playing run a ball innings. if the start is quick, it will lay strong foundation for middle order which can either accelerate further or stay at wicket depending on situation. Look how other teams have played in this WC:

    IRE against Eng after 10 overs: 92/1
    NZ against Aus after 10 overs: 97/1
    SA against Ban after 10 overs: 91/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaidihusain View Post
    80/0 after 10 overs is just average or below average score. RIZ & BAB must utilize powerplay to full extent, purpose of powerplay is not for playing run a ball innings. if the start is quick, it will lay strong foundation for middle order which can either accelerate further or stay at wicket depending on situation. Look how other teams have played in this WC:

    IRE against Eng after 10 overs: 92/1
    NZ against Aus after 10 overs: 97/1
    SA against Ban after 10 overs: 91/1
    You’re cherry picking some totals - not ever score has been like that

    Also Pakistan’s team make up is different than others

    We have a far stronger bowling attack and very few power hitters that are reliable

    We need to play in a way that guarantees some sort of a decent total and not just hit out and lose wickets

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    I have a feeling Rizwan might struggle in this tournament. His height aggravates his problems against short pitched bowling. Babar needs to take over the mantle of heavy scoring here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arif_2021 View Post
    You’re cherry picking some totals - not ever score has been like that

    Also Pakistan’s team make up is different than others

    We have a far stronger bowling attack and very few power hitters that are reliable

    We need to play in a way that guarantees some sort of a decent total and not just hit out and lose wickets
    Your far stronger bowling attack cannot defend mediocre target set by batters all the time specially against big teams in big matches. that's why Pak has lost many bilateral series and last world cup. no need to change openers in this WC but they really have to come out from their comfort zone and step up their game in PP even if team lose 1-2 early wickets. There are many anchors in this team, target of 150-160 is easily gettable most of the time whether you bat 1st or 2nd

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    Rizwan has awful technic.
    Always trying to hit leg side with cross bat.

    He will expose in Australia.

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    How right you were Aqib. Others were deluded on the basis of stats against England C and South Africa B teams in meaningless bilaterals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    Main reason he’s not good enough in tournament knockouts to score quickly enough as the opposition are at full strength and playing with full intensity not something teams do in bilaterals as they rest players regularly.

    This is where Babar and Rizwan have created a false perception they can score quickly as doing so on flat wickets against weak bowling is different to the World Cup against the best teams.

    This will be the third time they will cost Pakistan in a tournament which will be the end of Babar as captain and Saqlain as coach as such ignorance to good advise and doing the same things without success will ultimately be their and most importantly Pakistan’s downfall.
    My my my my...

    The laughable knowledge low iq post turned out to be correct after all I was only trying to help to give Pakistan a better chance of success.

    “We don’t listen to anyone opinions” Babar Azam

    Him and Saqlain deserve this humiliation.


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    Found this on twitter:

    Since 2021 in T20Is

    Kohli: 61.86 Avg/138.5 SR
    Rizwan: 63.26 Avg/130.7 SR
    Babar: 36.9 Avg/129.16 SR

    2 years of Kohli being ordinary vs 2 years of Babar/Rizwan in their peak....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ex-q-zit View Post
    Found this on twitter:

    Since 2021 in T20Is

    Kohli: 61.86 Avg/138.5 SR
    Rizwan: 63.26 Avg/130.7 SR
    Babar: 36.9 Avg/129.16 SR

    2 years of Kohli being ordinary vs 2 years of Babar/Rizwan in their peak....
    This includes Babar and Rizwan playing all bilaterals against B teams while Kohli has missed half of India’s bilaterals.

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    Everyone was making fun of Aqib . Guess what he has been proven right

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    Take that
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJdvBcf2umw

    Babar when opens with Rizwan averages 32.6

    Babar when bats without Rizwan averages 56


    RizBar Theory completely negated and binned ack

    Aaqib Javed is running Qalandars like Barcelona and we joked at him


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    This man wasn't lying LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomboom6 View Post
    This man wasn't lying LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    He is a very smart man. I still remember how he took wicket of that big lefty from New Zealand in 1992 ODI WC semi-final who could have taken the game away from Pakistan.

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    Even minnow teams are exploiting Rizwan's weak off side game as a result of which his strike rate is lower in the last year.

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    Aaqib Javed is a revolutionary tbh he is Pakistan's Pep Guardiola has that eye for talent knows the in/out adjustments req to prolong players career and how to build teams in a cycle, infact he is running Lahore Qalandars like Barcelona of football

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    The more I watch Rizwan, the more I realise that he is a fraud. He couldn't hack it in the middle order, so he got promoted by Misbah and Waqar as an opener. Just because a middle order batsman is unable to perform in his natural position, it doesn't mean you make him an opener and discard actual openers or make them play in the middle order. It is totally unfair on guys like Fakhar and Shan that they can't play in their natural positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    Aaqib Javed is a revolutionary tbh he is Pakistan's Pep Guardiola has that eye for talent knows the in/out adjustments req to prolong players career and how to build teams in a cycle, infact he is running Lahore Qalandars like Barcelona of football
    Is this meant to be a compliment or not? Barcelona have a been shambles and basket case for at least two years now.


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    He was right all along but most people were telling us that he's saying such stuff because he has a vendetta against Babar & Rizwan.

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    LOL The thing we wanted was to prove Aqib Right... oo well...Interesting times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Is this meant to be a compliment or not? Barcelona have a been shambles and basket case for at least two years now.
    It's a complement the recent struggles of Barca cannot overshadow their glorious achievements

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    He was damn right, these two cannot win tournaments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    Aaqib Javed is a revolutionary tbh he is Pakistan's Pep Guardiola has that eye for talent knows the in/out adjustments req to prolong players career and how to build teams in a cycle, infact he is running Lahore Qalandars like Barcelona of football
    And barcelona is gone to Europa League. Lol

    Let's not even talk about man city's oil money.

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    You might have to get rid of one. Or have one of them to change their game.

    The partnership has died after this tournay.

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    I know Aaqib got a lot of stick for his comments, but as things stand, he has been proved to be correct.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I know Aaqib got a lot of stick for his comments, but as things stand, he has been proved to be correct.
    Well two players dont win you tournaments Its a collective team effort that does that so its unfair to pinpoint them

    Pakistans team as a whole isnt good enough


    If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Well two players dont win you tournaments Its a collective team effort that does that so its unfair to pinpoint them

    Pakistans team as a whole isnt good enough
    Pakistan’s bowlers have been carrying this side

    Pakistan will reach a par score or even chase a par score without these two players. It’s Pakistans bowlers who have won them the matches

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    Our fans are so fickle, criticizing the boy two batsmen who actually perform.

    Aaqib should be saying “Babar and Rizwan won’t win you any tournaments as long as they keep batting with the supporting cast they have.”

    The others need to pick up their game NOW, and when that happens, I’m sure Babar and Rizwan will have a better SR as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Our fans are so fickle, criticizing the boy two batsmen who actually perform.

    Aaqib should be saying “Babar and Rizwan won’t win you any tournaments as long as they keep batting with the supporting cast they have.”

    The others need to pick up their game NOW, and when that happens, I’m sure Babar and Rizwan will have a better SR as well.
    Don't be silly. Our only two performing batsmen are standing in the way of us smashing England and Australia at the Gabba and lifting the trophy.

    Once 'proper opener' Shan Masood gets in and Asif Ali is rightfully made captain the world will have to stand up and take notice. Sharjeel will no longer have to cry into his aloo paratha every night that he wasn't allowed to have a go at the easy pickings Starc and Wood are offering.

    Personally, i feel Babar and Rizwan should take a break from t20's after this WC. They've played too much meaningless cricket anyway. It would be good to test the hypothesis that they are holding us back. Maybe every single statistical measure imaginable telling us that they are not is somehow wrong.

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    Salute to Sir Aqib Javed

    Damming words

    Accurate words

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