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    The Great Indian Selection Circus

    I have been writing posts on the horrible selection policy of both the selectors and team management of the Indian team in last few years.

    The rot started with Dhoni. Before him selectors usually had a free hand in selecting players and the captain. During Dhoni's time, his closeness to Srinivasan meant he was untouchable. Even a man of Amarnath's stature was sacked when he wanted Dhoni to be removed from test captaincy.

    Things have gone downhill since.


    Who can forget the selection of Vijay Shankar and Dinesh Kartik in the world cup team?

    Then came the 2021 T20 WC. India didn't reach the knockouts. Most believed that would be the end of players like Ashwin and Bhuvneshwar. But no, come the 2022 WC and these two guys walk back into the team. They are accompanied by Axar Patel. None of these 3 had done anything significant in the last 2 IPLs.

    Now look at this

    Selected Chahar and didn't play him in t20wc and played ashwin Axar who did nothing.

    Selected kuldeep Yadav for the NZ tour didn't Play him but played Chahal who didn't do well.

    Now both won't go to BD, where Axar will be the spinner.

    Coming to pacers

    They took a attack full of swing bowlers and a slower ball specialist to Australia, despite various calls of including a proper fast bowler. If not for Shami, the attack was pedestrian.

    After the loss in semis, fast bowlers like Umran and Kuldeep Sen were selected but the powers that be made sure Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur, Harshal Patel, Deepak Chahar were selected too. Kuldeep Sen ultimately was withdrawn and sent to Bangladesh tour.

    Umran bowled a total of 15 overs, now he is rested and Thakur and Chahar go to Bangladesh.

    Coming to batting, Samson doesn't get many chances but a has been like Dhawan keeps playing even if its only ODIs. Why?

    Gill plays a couple of games, he is now rested from the BD series. Why?

    KL Rahul despite all his failures gets striaght back into the BD series for some minnow bashing.

    Seems the ring leaders of this circus have decided that they will not allow youngsters to get chances so that they don't outperform the preferred group by any chance.

    The favourites of the ringleaders like BK Axar Thakur Chahar Dhawan kind of players and they will go to lengths to keep the youngsters out.


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    The circus starts from the head all the way down.

    When you have someone like Jay Shah as one of the most senior administrators in the board as an example of cronyism and nepotism then its hard to call out those who are lower in the chain.

    Remember there are strong rumours Ganguly was forced out of his role because he refused to join the BJP.

    This type of culture which runs on fear and nepotism will only ever result in mediocrity, people afraid to put their ahead above the parapet and a safety first approach.

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    India's selection have been totally random from sometime. They just select players who done well at domestics as a reward without thinking of team combination.
    Funniest selection was during 2019 world cup.
    When opener Dhawan got injured during the world cup, they replaced him with a wicket keeper Pant and started playing an all rounder Vijay Shankar in the playing 11 in his place.
    Then Vijay Shankar the all rounder got injured and they replaced him with an opener Mayank Agarwal in squad and started playing wicket keeper Pant in his place in the 11.

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    India's cricket talent has dried up significantly and we are no longer producing cricketers we used to in the past. It is the harsh reality and we cant blame on the selectors alone. To their credit, they have given chance to almost every performer from IPL - Venky Iyer, Varun C, Ishan Kishan, Ruturaj etc but all flopped. There is still some hope from the likes of Bushnoi, Arshdeep, Umran etc but none are exceptional talent.

    We are no longer producing talents like Kohli, Rohit, Yuvraj etc. Indian cricket is going through cricis and I am not sure if we can blame everything on selectors.

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    Horrendous selections. In BD series, they have selected Tripathi, Patidar and Kishan. But Samson is not selected?

    Chahal is rested from BD series but no Kuldeep? Who is the frontline spinner? Why Mohammad Siraj is not in NZ squad? Why does KL Rahul gets the same resting treatment as Rohit and Kohli?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    The circus starts from the head all the way down.

    When you have someone like Jay Shah as one of the most senior administrators in the board as an example of cronyism and nepotism then its hard to call out those who are lower in the chain.

    Remember there are strong rumours Ganguly was forced out of his role because he refused to join the BJP.

    This type of culture which runs on fear and nepotism will only ever result in mediocrity, people afraid to put their ahead above the parapet and a safety first approach.
    BCCI has always been lead by non cricketers. Mostly businessmen and sometimes politicians. But except Srinivasan no one blatantly interfered in the selection process.

    Ganguly left, because no bcci President since independence has served two consecutive terms. It simply doesn't happen. Else Dalmiya or Pawar or Scindia would have been president for years.

    We have a brainless team management thanks to Ganguly insisting on Dravid.

    This has more to do with the cricketing side of things.

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    Indian management messed up players selection and captain selection.
    After Kohli they have changed 8 captains in a single year..what a disaster.

    Over-the-Top, Dravid-Rohit duo took this to next level with their stupid tactics, players selection and rotation.

    Poor Management
    Poor Selectors
    Poor Coaching
    Poor Captaincy
    Poor Tactics

    Everything is poor from BCCI, coach and captain.

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    Too many options are available. so too much confusion. Never seen such a strong Indian bench strength. But they want to try every one randomly. So this makes nobody's place secure. India didn't have Rohit, Rahul, Pandya, Kohli, Jadeja, Axar. Still there is this issue of Pant vs Samson forget about Kishan who scored a brilliant 90 plus against SA only last series.

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    Problem is we had capable administrators, now we have people getting roles based on their cricket credentials. Just because Dravid, Kumble, Laxman or even Shastri were great to decent players doesnt mean they understand modern game. They can be mentors at best but cant give them technical roles. Let the professionals and experts handle it.

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    Bhuvaneshwar Kumar shouldn't play any more considering that we have the likes of Siraj, Prasidh, Kartik, Mohsin. All of them can bowl 140+, extract bounce and are tall.

    Shikher Dhawan should be dropped, Gill and Rohit should open, even Rohit is not in form but still I don't think we can drop him.

    Sundar should have a permanent place in the odi and test side (although it's his fault as he is usually injured)

    Hooda shouldn't be selected just bcoz he can roll his arms.

    Shami shouldn't be picked in LOIs and should be phased out in tests too.

    Let's not even think about DK.

    Chahal should be dropped, one of Kuldeep or Bishnoi should play as main spinner.

    Hangargekar or Bawa should be given some chances as they are capable bowling allrounders who can challenge Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Bhuvaneshwar Kumar shouldn't play any more considering that we have the likes of Siraj, Prasidh, Kartik, Mohsin. All of them can bowl 140+, extract bounce and are tall.

    Shikher Dhawan should be dropped, Gill and Rohit should open, even Rohit is not in form but still I don't think we can drop him.

    Sundar should have a permanent place in the odi and test side (although it's his fault as he is usually injured)

    Hooda shouldn't be selected just bcoz he can roll his arms.

    Shami shouldn't be picked in LOIs and should be phased out in tests too.

    Let's not even think about DK.

    Chahal should be dropped, one of Kuldeep or Bishnoi should play as main spinner.

    Hangargekar or Bawa should be given some chances as they are capable bowling allrounders who can challenge Pandya.
    Unfortunately Shikhar, Virat, Rohit will be the top 3 in the wc. One of them injured means Rahul will walk back in. SKY and Iyer have one slot among them and SKY will get it or they both will play which means Pant, Samson, Kishen, Hooda etc will lose out.

    Pandya will take his spot back.

    Jadeja will come ahead of Sundar for the World Cup. No way he will be dropped.

    Thats pretty much the top 6-7

    Chahal will continue ahead of Bishnoi.

    Arshdeep will play for left arm quota.

    Bumrah will be back.

    So 1 slot available from all the names you mentioned. Since its subcontinent and pandya will be 3rd seamer one more spin slot will open which means Axar will come back. Sundar has an outside chance.

    This is not what we want but what we will get. Knowing our selectors and team management, the X1 picks itself.

    I missed a keeper so dont be surprised if Rahul becomes make shift keeper at the expense of Sky/ Iyer
    Last edited by Local.Dada; 30th November 2022 at 21:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Unfortunately Shikhar, Virat, Rohit will be the top 3 in the wc. One of them injured means Rahul will walk back in. SKY and Iyer have one slot among them and SKY will get it or they both will play which means Pant, Samson, Kishen, Hooda etc will lose out.

    Pandya will take his spot back.

    Jadeja will come ahead of Sundar for the World Cup. No way he will be dropped.

    Thats pretty much the top 6-7

    Chahal will continue ahead of Bishnoi.

    Arshdeep will play for left arm quota.

    Bumrah will be back.

    So 1 slot available from all the names you mentioned. Since its subcontinent and pandya will be 3rd seamer one more spin slot will open which means Axar will come back. Sundar has an outside chance.

    This is not what we want but what we will get. Knowing our selectors and team management, the X1 picks itself.

    I missed a keeper so dont be surprised if Rahul becomes make shift keeper at the expense of Sky/ Iyer
    Likely 15 members team:-

    Rohit
    Shikhar/Gill(12)
    Kohli
    S Iyer/keeper(13)
    KLR
    Pandya( backup - Washington(14)
    Jadeja( backup - Washington)
    Kuldeep/Chahal(15)
    Shami
    Siraj
    Bumrah

    Also, 1 backup for pacer. So, that's 16.

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    We want surya badly for this worldcup, He's X factor player and can win you matches outrightly ,he just played 4-5 games and meanwhile that garbage pant playing series after series😡 forget wc if they don't select surya

    Darkside of IPL is that team owners influencing who gets selected and captain.

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    BCCI appoints its Cricket Advisory Committee -- Mr Ashok Malhotra, Mr Jatin Paranjape and Ms Sulakshana Naik.

    Among other things, this team will shortlist, interview and recommend the new selectors.


    Ashok Malhotra played 7 tests 20ODIs

    Jatin Paranjape 4 odis

    Sulakshana Naik is former women's WK

    2 Wtests
    46 Wodis
    31 Wt20s


    This is a cruel joke on Indian cricket.

    The original CAC consisted of Ganguly Laxman and Tendulkar. Thats why the Lodha report recommended it to be continued. It has come to this.

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    Coach-Captain combo really matters when it comes to selection.
    Kohli-Shastri teams always reflected their personality, and now Dravid-Rohit teams are a reflection of who they are. Defensive and timid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    I have been writing posts on the horrible selection policy of both the selectors and team management of the Indian team in last few years.
    India just doesn't have the talent despite cricket being the only sport played in the country. The sooner you accept that the better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RexRex View Post
    India just doesn't have the talent despite cricket being the only sport played in the country. The sooner you accept that the better.
    First of all cricket isn't the only sports. Secondly India has and still produces some great young talent. India's performance in the U19 WC will tell you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexRex View Post
    India just doesn't have the talent despite cricket being the only sport played in the country. The sooner you accept that the better.
    First come out this inferiority complexion indian is doing well in commemwealth games, Olympic. They are world's best in shooting always wins gold medals and in chess we have 15 year old grand master who are defeating magnus carlson, And doing well in hockey aswell , Swimming ,skating ,trekking , bicycling and a mamy more.


    Still if you want console ur heart by living in delusion 😂You may bro.

    And you are talking about india ,they have dominated whole this decade in Odis ,tests.

    We have most number of Talented batsman almost factory, we can make 3 teams of world class competitive batsman.

    Though we are lacking in Loi bowling but Resources are there just need good selection policy.


    Now you care yourself and your team look how Zimbambe , Australia now england thrashing your team.

    Just because Pakistan lacking in other sports doesn't mean india too.👏

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    BCCI appoints its Cricket Advisory Committee -- Mr Ashok Malhotra, Mr Jatin Paranjape and Ms Sulakshana Naik.

    Among other things, this team will shortlist, interview and recommend the new selectors.


    Ashok Malhotra played 7 tests 20ODIs

    Jatin Paranjape 4 odis

    Sulakshana Naik is former women's WK

    2 Wtests
    46 Wodis
    31 Wt20s


    This is a cruel joke on Indian cricket.

    The original CAC consisted of Ganguly Laxman and Tendulkar. Thats why the Lodha report recommended it to be continued. It has come to this.
    the new committee could be bad. but judge that on their performance in this field.
    great players are not always great coaches
    great players are not always great selectors/administrators
    great players are not always great broadcasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    Likely 15 members team:-

    Rohit
    Shikhar/Gill(12)
    Kohli
    S Iyer/keeper(13)
    KLR
    Pandya( backup - Washington(14)
    Jadeja( backup - Washington)
    Kuldeep/Chahal(15)
    Shami
    Siraj
    Bumrah

    Also, 1 backup for pacer. So, that's 16.
    This is a decent team. I will have Gill open with Rohit and Sundar as specialist spinner in place of Kuldeep/Bishnoi.

    Hav the batting packed with hitters and go all out like England. Anyone who plays timid or too defensive must be booted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aseem_04 View Post
    First come out this inferiority complexion indian is doing well in commemwealth games, Olympic. They are world's best in shooting always wins gold medals and in chess we have 15 year old grand master who are defeating magnus carlson, And doing well in hockey aswell , Swimming ,skating ,trekking , bicycling and a mamy more.


    Still if you want console ur heart by living in delusion Ÿ˜‚You may bro.

    And you are talking about india ,they have dominated whole this decade in Odis ,tests.

    We have most number of Talented batsman almost factory, we can make 3 teams of world class competitive batsman.

    Though we are lacking in Loi bowling but Resources are there just need good selection policy.


    Now you care yourself and your team look how Zimbambe , Australia now england thrashing your team.

    Just because Pakistan lacking in other sports doesn't mean india too.Ÿ‘

    I am Indian too just not as hallucinatory as you !


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    They have no plan for future. Identify a proper captain and build the team towards next WC win.

    Dhawan and KL doing captaincy makes no sense.

    Swing bowlers are of no use on most pitches these days in LOI's

    Chahal is not consistent, so find a better bowler who can bat.

    Fill the team with more hard hitting all rounders and not specialist batters/ bowlers.


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    So, Rishabh has been released and Samson is in India! And back to KL Rahul to keep wickets when keepers are waiting for an opportunity and Ishan Kishan is there! I am quite confused.

    Dravid wants his state mate in the team. But Rahul cannot open because they want a place for Dhawan too, so sacrifice 3 talented wktkeeper batsman.

    The shameless circus continues.

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    4 bits and pieces players today.

    Sundar

    Ahmed

    Chahar

    Thakur

    What a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So, Rishabh has been released and Samson is in India! And back to KL Rahul to keep wickets when keepers are waiting for an opportunity and Ishan Kishan is there! I am quite confused.

    Dravid wants his state mate in the team. But Rahul cannot open because they want a place for Dhawan too, so sacrifice 3 talented wktkeeper batsman.

    The shameless circus continues.
    Pant has been rightly dropped. Agree with the other two wicketkeepers who aren't even getting enough opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    4 bits and pieces players today.

    Sundar

    Ahmed

    Chahar

    Thakur

    What a joke
    Sundar is as good as a proper batsman and a very handy spinner.
    I don't think he should be tagged with the others.

    Shardul should only play tests, where he is doing great.

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    What's going on with Pant and Dravid. This is a proper personality clash.

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    What they did to kohli after that india is declining, Now in search of Captain Hitman is lost somewhere, And India is only country where s player of Shubhman gill caliber don't play, shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    What's going on with Pant and Dravid. This is a proper personality clash.
    Pant got enough opportunities for now. Time to move on and look at other options. They are being too harsh on Samson and don't give enough opportunities to Kishan as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pant got enough opportunities for now. Time to move on and look at other options. They are being too harsh on Samson and don't give enough opportunities to Kishan as well.
    Normally you build your teams around the likes of Pant. Dravid must really hate him

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    4 bits and pieces players today.

    Sundar

    Ahmed

    Chahar

    Thakur

    What a joke
    Seriously its a joke.
    India facing leadership crisis and selection issues.

    Instead of raising his hands in vain can calling his fielders bhench**ds, Rohit Sharma should give up captaincy here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    Seriously its a joke.
    India facing leadership crisis and selection issues.

    Instead of raising his hands in vain can calling his fielders bhench**ds, Rohit Sharma should give up captaincy here
    Today he called in Chahar to bowl at 40th over, when everyone knows that chahar is very poor with the old ball.

    This is third game across 3 formats that India has failed to close at the death.

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    Circus continues,

    Dhawan gets out fending a medium pacer on a slow pitch, but Tripathi and Patidar and Kishan are on Bench.

    According to Anjum Chopra in the comm box, Sen is fit but Chahar was carrying a niggle. Team picks chahar, he bowls 3 overs and gets injured. Sen on the bench.

    Kuldeep Yadav is sitting at home, not getting chances, yet a damn average Axar Patel is being picked.

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    TM shamelessly protecting their precious KL Rahul and sending Sundar to bat at 4.

    Sack this team management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Circus continues,

    Dhawan gets out fending a medium pacer on a slow pitch, but Tripathi and Patidar and Kishan are on Bench.

    According to Anjum Chopra in the comm box, Sen is fit but Chahar was carrying a niggle. Team picks chahar, he bowls 3 overs and gets injured. Sen on the bench.

    Kuldeep Yadav is sitting at home, not getting chances, yet a damn average Axar Patel is being picked.
    Still can't fathom how is Kuldeep isn't the best spinner in the world just now after his start.

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    Gill should be opening for India in tests and odis

    My xi would be for the world cup
    Gill
    Kishan
    Kohli
    Iyer
    Samson
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Kuldeep
    Bumrah
    Malik
    Ashdeep

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    TM shamelessly protecting their precious KL Rahul and sending Sundar to bat at 4.

    Sack this team management.
    I understand removing Kohli as t20 captain, but was it worth removing him as ODI captain? Team is in free fall right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive Six View Post
    Seriously its a joke.
    India facing leadership crisis and selection issues.

    Instead of raising his hands in vain can calling his fielders bhench**ds, Rohit Sharma should give up captaincy here
    That’s what I think too. He’s a very emotional and reactive captain. Reminds me of Babar with antics like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    I understand removing Kohli as t20 captain, but was it worth removing him as ODI captain? Team is in free fall right now
    It doesnt make sense to have different white ball captains because the core of the team is the same in both formats.

    It would have created an unnecessary power struggle between the two & there would be never ending comparisons of their leadership & it would have inevitably led to grouping in the dressing room.

    Rohit is a very good captain but a lot of issues have surfaced at the same time. He is struggling for form, he is struggling with fitness & he doesnt seem to have any chemistry with the coach who looks completely out of his depth.

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    Jaydev Unadkat recalled to Indian Test side for Bangladesh series

    https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/...gladesh-series

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    The circus continues..Bumrah, Shami and Prasidh are injured but Umran is still not considered. Instead Unadkat is picked in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    Jaydev Unadkat recalled to Indian Test side for Bangladesh series

    https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/...gladesh-series

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    The circus continues..Bumrah, Shami and Prasidh are injured but Umran is still not considered. Instead Unadkat is picked in the squad.
    Indian cricket moving one step forward, two steps back!


    India is the oldest and the oldest continuing civilization, with a history of over 10000 years.

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    Shardul couldn't even put bat on ball and was bowling poorly yet keep getting selected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pant got enough opportunities for now. Time to move on and look at other options. They are being too harsh on Samson and don't give enough opportunities to Kishan as well.
    Kishan got one opportunity and made the most out of it. Samson is next.

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    Kuldeep Yadav the MoM from last match dropped.

    Axar Patel and Unadkat play ahead of him.

    Those response for these decisions will have to answer one day.

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    It is getting embarrassing nowadays... You can pretty much expect the worst possible selections at any time. Watch out how they persist with Shikhar Dhawan in ODI series too and will either drop Gill or Kishan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Kuldeep Yadav the MoM from last match dropped.

    Axar Patel and Unadkat play ahead of him.

    Those response for these decisions will have to answer one day.
    This is ridiculous.
    Pathetic Coach and Captain.

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