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    [VIDEO] "Offer the right terms & the likes of Andy Flower will work for Pakistan": Yasir Arafat

    Yasir Arafat reviews the 1st Test between Pakistan and England, looks at what went wrong for Pakistan, areas of improvement and changes that Pakistan cricket needs to make to compete with the best.



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    qudrat ka nizaam hi hamari kismat mein hai... aur clueless kuptaan...

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    Why Andy Flower though? Surely we have other alternatives.

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    A wooden plank would be more effective than Saqlain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Why Andy Flower though? Surely we have other alternatives.
    He gave example of Flower but he also mentioned Justin Langer/Tom Moody and said that the way we deal with our foreign coaches like Mickey have sent a wrong message to the outside world about how we treat them.


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    The Mickey Arthur and Steve Rixon episodes might put some foreign coaches off working for the national team perhaps?

    I can't imagine Rixon having too many nice things to say about the PCB after the debacle involving him.

    The likes of Moody, Flower etc will want huge salaries too I guess - will PCB want to pay up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    The Mickey Arthur and Steve Rixon episodes might put some foreign coaches off working for the national team perhaps?

    I can't imagine Rixon having too many nice things to say about the PCB after the debacle involving him.

    The likes of Moody, Flower etc will want huge salaries too I guess - will PCB want to pay up?
    Surely the PCB can pay around $600,000-$650,000 per annum. They need to increase from their current $250,000 per annum

    The BCCI pays $1.2 million per year

    Cricket Australia and ECB pay $550,000-$600,000 per annum.

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    Saqi is absolutely useless. U need someone with fire in the belly and a modern approach to the game.

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    Iím surprised that Ramiz has stuck with Saqlain for so long. He clearly doesnít fit the brand & profile Ramiz is trying to build.

    I fully expect him to go after a big name foreign coach soon.

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    ABD or T Moody would be my choice , we have to change our red ball game & try to follow the English template

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    Savvy local coach with foreign coaching experience. Iíd say Mushtaq Ahmed because he understands both English and Pakistan cricket.
    if not, then an experienced Foreign coach hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Why Andy Flower though? Surely we have other alternatives.
    Who are they? Beggars can't be choosers.

    Pakistan doesn't have the profile nor the funds to attract the top tier coaches like Langer, Ponting and etc.

    But we deserve this for the way we treated Mickey Arthur, who had his flaws but nonetheless was a million times better than unqualified coaches like Misbah and Saqlain.

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    PCB should swallow their pride and apologise to Mickey Arthur (and Steve Rixon if he's also available) then give them their jobs back with a 30-50% pay rise.

    Misbah should make a public apology for ousting him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirpur express View Post
    ABD or T Moody would be my choice , we have to change our red ball game & try to follow the English template
    You need toplay with your own strengths , not copy others.

    Pakistan shouldprepare turning pitches in home conditions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SalimBhai View Post
    Saqi is absolutely useless. U need someone with fire in the belly and a modern approach to the game.
    He is not useless , but he should be used where he can do something. He is not fit to be head coach , use him as a spin consultant .

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    PCB should swallow their pride and apologise to Mickey Arthur (and Steve Rixon if he's also available) then give them their jobs back with a 30-50% pay rise.

    Misbah should make a public apology for ousting him.
    Rixon himself is good enough to be a head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I’m surprised that Ramiz has stuck with Saqlain for so long. He clearly doesn’t fit the brand & profile Ramiz is trying to build.

    I fully expect him to go after a big name foreign coach soon.
    His contract is up in a couple of months. I'm guessing they would have had to pay him off if they got rid of him sooner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Iím surprised that Ramiz has stuck with Saqlain for so long. He clearly doesnít fit the brand & profile Ramiz is trying to build.

    I fully expect him to go after a big name foreign coach soon.
    Indeed im expecting that too.. Saqi himself knows that and rightly so not renewing the contract citing personal reasons..

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    PCB should swallow their pride and apologise to Mickey Arthur (and Steve Rixon if he's also available) then give them their jobs back with a 30-50% pay rise.

    Misbah should make a public apology for ousting him.
    Misbah such a nightmare to happen for Pakistan cricket.. People can argue he got them out of the shame after the fixing fiasco but also to blame for his defensive approach towards the game, sacking MA and sitting on top of that, and wasting the potential players and destroying their careers for sake of friendship and also nourishing seniority culture ahead of talent and skill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    His contract is up in a couple of months. I'm guessing they would have had to pay him off if they got rid of him sooner.
    Did they start hunting for a renowned head coach yet... I rmb Ramiz brought in Woolmer which was his Master stroke till now..

    Who is he eyeing at..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I’m surprised that Ramiz has stuck with Saqlain for so long. He clearly doesn’t fit the brand & profile Ramiz is trying to build.

    I fully expect him to go after a big name foreign coach soon.
    Don't think Saqlain will go anytime soon. Most likely if we win series against NZ, he will get extension. Ramiz did same after 2021 World Cup failure but kept Saqlain till now. Also, PCB has lack of money to attract foreign coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Did they start hunting for a renowned head coach yet... I rmb Ramiz brought in Woolmer which was his Master stroke till now..

    Who is he eyeing at..
    They did same talk last year but then again kept Saqlain. Ramiz is all talk but good for nothing when it comes to action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    They did same talk last year but then again kept Saqlain. Ramiz is all talk but good for nothing when it comes to action.
    Saqlain is not renewing the contract due to personal/family reasons... His contract could be extended till 2023 CWC if PCB begs him and if he accepts...

    If not and if Ramiz wants to save money he might promote Yousuf as interim head coach till end of 2023 CWC in India

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    Dont see anyone in the line to coach this mediocre bunch..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Saqlain is not renewing the contract due to personal/family reasons... His contract could be extended till 2023 CWC if PCB begs him and if he accepts...

    If not and if Ramiz wants to save money he might promote Yousuf as interim head coach till end of 2023 CWC in India
    This is most likely excuse to leave job with honour rather than kick. If we end up any of 1 win in next 3 tests Saqlain will get extension. But Ramiz needs to be kicked out due to his tall talks and do nothing.

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    We should be looking at the coaching team that are the best and paying them big money to sort it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thephenom View Post
    We should be looking at the coaching team that are the best and paying them big money to sort it out!
    Don't think PCB has that's sort of money or top coaches are not interested to come in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Saqlain is not renewing the contract due to personal/family reasons... His contract could be extended till 2023 CWC if PCB begs him and if he accepts...

    If not and if Ramiz wants to save money he might promote Yousuf as interim head coach till end of 2023 CWC in India
    Saqlain resides in the UK so it's more than likely that the issue is family time and having to spend a lot of time in Pakistan away from the family.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Why Andy Flower though? Surely we have other alternatives.
    Like?

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    Yasir Arafat speaking on TV

    "There were so many controversies. Considering his post, he should have acted like a leader. Instead he was fighting with media, with cricketers, getting involved in selection and pitches. He should oversee such matters instead of getting involved in petty issues."

    “You say that a cricketer shouldn't face such ill-treatment, but what was he doing for the one and half years when he held the position. Why didn't he make a rule that there won't be any political interference"

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    As we can see with the Mickey Arthur saga - the right terms are essential for people to consider this position


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    Andy Flower should stick to his franchise gigs

    no thank you for the Pakistan job

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Yasir Arafat speaking on TV

    "There were so many controversies. Considering his post, he should have acted like a leader. Instead he was fighting with media, with cricketers, getting involved in selection and pitches. He should oversee such matters instead of getting involved in petty issues."

    “You say that a cricketer shouldn't face such ill-treatment, but what was he doing for the one and half years when he held the position. Why didn't he make a rule that there won't be any political interference"

    “Ab rone ka koi fayada nahi.” (There's no point crying now)
    Who is Arafat refering to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Who is Arafat refering to ?
    Ramiz Raja.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Andy Flower should stick to his franchise gigs

    no thank you for the Pakistan job
    As they say beggars cant be choosers.. If Saqi's replacement is Andy Flower would you not be happy..

    MA plugged the holes and try to fill the gaps in ODI cricket..

    Pakistan team started scoring 300 more consistently ( say no. of times) under MA compared to their struggle to score 200 and 250s during Misbah's tenure..

    the same team was stuggling to put 200 under Misbah captaincy 2 years ago and also during his time as coach, struggling to score 300.. shows Misbah's influence
    Last edited by MenInG; 12th January 2023 at 19:25.

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    Maybe Yasir Arafat can also be considered for a role



    Last edited by MenInG; 18th January 2023 at 15:08.


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    Make Yasir Arafat coach!

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    I have mentioned many times , we should engage him in some coaching assignment , not a bad choice foralso as national team coach . He has extensive experience of Pakistan's domestic cricket and international crictet. As a bowling allrounder he can help both bowlers and batters.

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    Make Arafat an assistant coach under certain high profile elite coach like Andy, Hesson, Moody, Mickey, Gillespie, Domingo etc. before trying as head coach...

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    The biggest stigma against Pakistani coaches is that they are not tactically astute, proactive and as strict on fitness, game plans, strategy vs their gora counterparts.

    Saqlain was a highly qualified ECB trained coach but he with his Kudrat ka nizam attitude and disastrous results with the Pakistani team ultimately gave a bad name to Pakistani coaches and in the end he will be used as a reference point as to why one should never appoint a Pakistani coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The biggest stigma against Pakistani coaches is that they are not tactically astute, proactive and as strict on fitness, game plans, strategy vs their gora counterparts.

    Saqlain was a highly qualified ECB trained coach but he with his Kudrat ka nizam attitude and disastrous results with the Pakistani team ultimately gave a bad name to Pakistani coaches and in the end he will be used as a reference point as to why one should never appoint a Pakistani coach.
    Saqlain highly qualified?

    I don't think so.


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    Can be a decent candidate as bowling coach. Doesn't have a lot of experience at senior level (Had couple of stints with Surrey as bowling consultant) but has done quite a bit of work at junior level in England.

    In terms of his own basics was a good bowler despite some natural limitations and one would say he was not given the opportunities he could have been especially in the 2010s where he could have definitely played more cricket over some of the other pacers. 700+ FC wickets along with 7000+ runs in no mean feat.

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