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    Twix, Mars, Snickers, Maltesers....not HALAL [Important Update!]

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6653175.stm


    Some of the UK's best-selling chocolate bars, such as Mars and Twix, will no longer be suitable for vegetarians.

    Also affecting brands such as Snickers and Maltesers, owner Masterfoods said it had started to use animal product rennet to make its chocolate products.

    Masterfoods said the change was due to it switching the sourcing of its ingredients and the admission was a "principled decision" on its part.

    The Vegetarian Society said the company's move was "incomprehensible".

    Masterfoods said it had started using rennet from 1 May and non-affected products had a "best before date" up to 1 October.

    Rennet, a chemical sourced from calves' stomachs, is used in the production of whey.

    It will now also be found in Bounty, Minstrels and Milky Way products, and the ice cream versions of all Masterfoods' bars.

    "If the customer is an extremely strict vegetarian, then we are sorry the products are no longer suitable, but a less strict vegetarian should enjoy our chocolate," said Paul Goalby, corporate affairs manager for Masterfoods.

    The Vegetarian Society said it was "extremely disappointed".

    "At a time when more and more consumers are concerned about the provenance of their food, Masterfoods' decision to use non-vegetarian whey is a backward step," it said in a statement.

    "Mars products are very popular with young people and many will be shocked to discover that their manufacture now relies on the extraction of rennet from the stomach lining of young calves," it added.

    ...I guess..we will only able to buy the imported versions.


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    Oh gosh!

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    I hope M&Ms here arent affected. Maltesers too I suppose but can live without the others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daoud
    I hope M&Ms here arent affected. Maltesers too I suppose but can live without the others

    its basically all masterfood brands.

    But, i am sure that rennet sourced in muslim countries won't be affected.


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    Just heard this on the radio - the rep from The Vegetarians Society was seething in anger.

    Mars hadnt intended to make this public - it was only when one of the Veg Societies members wrote to Mars asking them to confirm whether their confectionary was suitable for Veggies.

    The reason is because Vegetable Rennet is apparently marginally more expensive than Animal Rennet - which is used to make the 'Whey' that goes inside their chocolates.

    Oh well, thats another item that we cant touch!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toony™®
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6653175.stm





    ...I guess..we will only able to buy the imported versions.
    I would nt be so sure about that.


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    At least our kids are likely to stay more healthy if they avoid these chocolates. Do you think this applies Worldwide e.g. buying a Mars from Pakistan, is that likely to be Veggie free or not???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toony™®
    its basically all masterfood brands.

    But, i am sure that rennet sourced in muslim countries won't be affected.
    Hopefully its just a UK decision. I want my M&Ms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luton Bad Boy
    At least our kids are likely to stay more healthy if they avoid these chocolates. Do you think this applies Worldwide e.g. buying a Mars from Pakistan, is that likely to be Veggie free or not???
    This is where it gets confusing.

    In the West, if its certified 'Suitable for Vegetarians' - then Muslims can happily eat the producr knowing it contains no animal derived products.

    However, in our own countries, the use of Animal Rennet is likely to be OK because the animals were more than likely haraam - so, in that case, they WOULD NOT be suitable for vegetarians, but OK for Muslims!

    The problem is - how do yopu know that the Mars/Snickers in Pak is using halal Animal products?

    EG: Lets say you ar ain Pakistan and you want to buy a Snickers bar - there are 2 types. Pak produced (cheaper) or Export quality (from UK/Aus (more expensive).


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    When do these first non halal batch get produced? may as well eat as much as u can in the mean time lol

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    I LOVE Twix and Snickers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fessal
    When do these first non halal batch get produced? may as well eat as much as u can in the mean time lol
    Masterfoods said it had started using rennet from 1 May and non-affected products had a "best before date" up to 1 October.
    Presumable all mars products, marathon, mars, topic , bonth, twix etc. etc.

    this is very sad...
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    I am not a scholar or such but I have read somwhere in the muslim food guide I think that such products which use animal renet from calfs etc (as long as its not pig), is permissible because the indgredient undergoes change when mixed with others. It says these products can not be classified haraam or halal but somwhere inbetween. It is permissible but for piouty it is advised to refrain from consuming it.

    So basically if your strict muslim and pious you should try and avoid these products.

    Please don't quote me from the above because I am saying the above from memory and advise people to do there own research and confirm whether the above is right.

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    Business opportunity to be exploited for all you budding businessman (read Suhaib).

    Oxy, good point about whether the chocolates sold in Pakistan are also really halal. I dont think most people in Pakistan care, as long as the chocolate has not melted.

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    I can tell you 99% of soaps are made from animal fat which is from cow fat in particular. As far as my research tells me from a scholar etc and the muslim food guide we are allowed to use soap because the fat undergoes chemical change in its state when processed. The end product (soap) is not pure animal fat. However, from my thinking we don't obviously eat soap so it could be different ruling for food products.

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    Here in malaysia there is proper ministry or board setup which certifies EVERY imported food item as being Halal or not Halal. The halal products have a halal stamp on it. All chocolates here are halal, infact almost every food item in the country is halal. Non-halal food has a small section at selected supermarkets only.

    I think Pakistan follows a similar system. Although I'm not sure, they dont have halal stamps.

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    Is this really going to be beneficial to the company financially, as muslims and vegetarians are going to stop buying their products?



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    Quote Originally Posted by sam1eh
    Is this really going to be beneficial to the company financially, as muslims and vegetarians are going to stop buying their products?
    They'll only take action if the Jewish lobby go up in arms...then the sad Muslims will tag along!


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    I am in the US. What do I do?

    I adore Milky Way, Twix, and Snickers


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    Quote Originally Posted by iZeeshan
    I am in the US. What do I do?

    I adore Milky Way, Twix, and Snickers
    From my undersatndingf of the interview I heard on the radio - it applies to ALL of their products worldwide (not sure about Mid East/Asia though)


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    I am in Canada, no more snickers for me


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    From my undersatndingf of the interview I heard on the radio - it applies to ALL of their products worldwide (not sure about Mid East/Asia though)
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    ive seen the actual letter..the reason it is haraam is because their using products from the stomach of "dead" calves..as cheese is halal i couldnt get it until i heard it on the radio...oh well kit kat anyone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan
    ive seen the actual letter..the reason it is haraam is because their using products from the stomach of "dead" calves..as cheese is halal i couldnt get it until i heard it on the radio...oh well kit kat anyone??
    Cheese is made from RENNET. And what 'floats' to the top is used to make WHEY.

    Now most Cheese in the UK is produced using Vegetable Rennet.

    But Mars clearly feel that the Animal Rennet is a cheaper source to to make their WHEY.

    I dont eat red meat, and the thought of Animal Rennet from a Calf/Cow/Sheep or Lamb doesnt appeal to me one bit!


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    I guess my Mars eating days are over...

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    Indians can't eat it no matter what


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Sombar
    Indians can't eat it no matter what
    Not even Vegetarian friendly Mars (as it is at the moment?)


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    Not to worry..my local tesco's had imported twix and bounty

    loads of wholesalers probably import from the middle east like they do with coke, mars and galaxy.
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    What about the Middle East?

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    Galaxy & Snickers - thats my concern. Not too keen on a Mars bar. Kashif likes then deep fried....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Easa
    What about the Middle East?

    should be fine.
    I believe they produce in various countries..

    i have emailed them and asked anyway..waiting for reply.

    uk ones are generally produced in Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK
    Presumable all mars products, marathon, mars, topic , bonth, twix etc. etc.

    this is very sad...

    Er, hate to tell you this, but the name changed to Snickers about 3 centuries ago.

    We also now have TV in colour, and Preston North end are no longer a galactico club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oval
    Er, hate to tell you this, but the name changed to Snickers about 3 centuries ago.
    Not quite...they still make them



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    Not quite...they still make them


    lol, cool! which country is that from????

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    I think we should all write a letter of complaint.

    My dad has already sent one, I bet if there are loads they willl have to take notice


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    Cheese is made from RENNET. And what 'floats' to the top is used to make WHEY.

    Now most Cheese in the UK is produced using Vegetable Rennet.

    But Mars clearly feel that the Animal Rennet is a cheaper source to to make their WHEY.

    I dont eat red meat, and the thought of Animal Rennet from a Calf/Cow/Sheep or Lamb doesnt appeal to me one bit!
    they should have increased their prices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oval
    Er, hate to tell you this, but the name changed to Snickers about 3 centuries ago.

    We also now have TV in colour, and Preston North end are no longer a galactico club.



    neither are leeds united

    i can even remeber when m and m's were kown as peanut treets



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    kitkat also? hersheys??

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    i thought muslims had buying power?

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    rabbi from the beth din on 5-live right now

    the beth din WILL NOT be classifying the new rennet products as non-kosher

    that will do for me

    the jews are far stricter about what enters their mouths than muslims

    we are happy to buy from mr. khan/hussain/ali etc etc who buys piles of diseased chickens and mutton carcasses and flogs them as halal



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    Oh dear ......... bad news. I love mars bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD-fan
    kitkat also? hersheys??
    Kitkats are made by Nestle not Mars ; Dont know what Hersheys are.


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    Good news Daoud and all other Ozzies here ... I just got off the phone with Masterfood and asked them about this. The lady told me that it is in fact the UK and European market which is changing to this whey product, whereas we use something else here in Australia. As long as we buy locally made mars, twix, etc. we are fine!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis81
    Good news Daoud and all other Ozzies here ... I just got off the phone with Masterfood and asked them about this. The lady told me that it is in fact the UK and European market which is changing to this whey product, whereas we use something else here in Australia. As long as we buy locally made mars, twix, etc. we are fine!!!
    Yeah - they'll be using rennet made from the stomach linings of Koala bears...or kangaroos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis81
    Good news Daoud and all other Ozzies here ... I just got off the phone with Masterfood and asked them about this. The lady told me that it is in fact the UK and European market which is changing to this whey product, whereas we use something else here in Australia. As long as we buy locally made mars, twix, etc. we are fine!!!
    Score. Good job there. Now we can taunt the unfortunate buggers in the UK

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    We should see this as an excuse to wean ourselves off the evil addiction that is chocolate!

    They've haramified all my favourite chocolates (snickers, bounty, maltesers and twix) so now I have no choice but to quit chocolate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    Yeah - they'll be using rennet made from the stomach linings of Koala bears...or kangaroos.
    Well they are halal aren't they!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercenary
    haramified

    Nice one there ... haven't heard it before, but I can see it catching on!!!

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    what a dumb business decison, i can see nestle sitting back and laughting there ***** off, while reading this.

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    I just can't beleive how tough you guys get it in UK. I mean we have so many Halal KFC, Maccas, Nandos, etc. in Australia and you guys have just opened 1 Halal McDonalds and even then it is only one burger that is Halal. Now Masterfood is going to start making all your fav choc bars non-halal. Considering the large Muslim population you guys have it makes no sense why they do not cater for Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis81
    I just can't beleive how tough you guys get it in UK. I mean we have so many Halal KFC, Maccas, Nandos, etc. in Australia and you guys have just opened 1 Halal McDonalds and even then it is only one burger that is Halal. Now Masterfood is going to start making all your fav choc bars non-halal. Considering the large Muslim population you guys have it makes no sense why they do not cater for Muslims.
    I know. Plus the crappy weather they have and we really have it made
    It is pretty hard to believe that we're that much better off though

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAK
    rabbi from the beth din on 5-live right now

    the beth din WILL NOT be classifying the new rennet products as non-kosher

    that will do for me

    the jews are far stricter about what enters their mouths than muslims

    we are happy to buy from mr. khan/hussain/ali etc etc who buys piles of diseased chickens and mutton carcasses and flogs them as halal

    http://www.kosher.org.uk/intro.htm
    ALERT - MARS PRODUCTS

    Articles have recently appeared in the national press concerning the use of whey derived from animal rennet in Masterfoods confectionery.

    We have been aware for many years that whey can be a by product of cheese-making and that, even today, animal rennet can be used in cheese manufacture.

    Since whey derived from this source contains only trace amounts of rennet, it is permitted according to halacha.

    There is therefore no problem with any of the Masterfoods products that are currently on the London Beth Din approved list.


    although kosher is permissable but only when halal isn't available... and also they haven't stated where this rennet will be coming from ie. which animal.

    Although process of kosher slaughtering is stricter...this aint no kosher process.

    i am not going to have it unless its imported from abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daoud
    I know. Plus the crappy weather they have and we really have it made
    It is pretty hard to believe that we're that much better off though
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    http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/?p...uestion&id=197

    its okay folks..

    animal rennet is fine unless it from a pig.



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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis81
    I just can't beleive how tough you guys get it in UK. I mean we have so many Halal KFC, Maccas, Nandos, etc. in Australia and you guys have just opened 1 Halal McDonalds and even then it is only one burger that is Halal. Now Masterfood is going to start making all your fav choc bars non-halal. Considering the large Muslim population you guys have it makes no sense why they do not cater for Muslims.
    its not that bad, cos mars and snickers is disgusting anyway, twix and maltesers arnt bad but nothing compared to kitkat, what we still have.
    kitkat will always remain the best choclate bar and nothing will ever beat it.

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    looks like kitkat is allready making use of the oppertunity created by masterfoods in pakistan.


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    you do know - only affects uk and europe.

    besides...clarification given that it is fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toony™®
    you do know - only affects uk and europe.

    besides...clarification given that it is fine.
    well I did say in my earlier posts in this thread and am glad someones confirmed it.

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    Thanks Toony for the link. In fact this is what I read in the muslim food guide book back in 2001. So basically the article says that the animal rennet products are not haram (it does not say its halal either) but it says it permissible but for piety it is best to try and avoid it.

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    The only animal rennet products that are clearly haraam are from non halal animals eg pigs, dogs etc.

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    the problem is their taking it from dead calves..hence from a non halal killed animal...otherwise it would have been ok...im in doubt so im gonna avoid it until someone tells me otherwise!!...their making a mistake i reckon though...hopefully theyll change their mind !!

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    Question is - would I eat the meat from the calf? The answer is no.

    So I am avoiding personally. Each to his own.


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    is galaxy haraam aswell

    so its just masterfood chocolates that are haraam

    not cadbury if not then its alright

    i hope masterfood lose money rather then gain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    Not even Vegetarian friendly Mars (as it is at the moment?)
    I hate Mars


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    1 quesion : - will Bueno be affected ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Sombar
    1 quesion : - will Bueno be affected ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boi
    is galaxy haraam aswell

    does anyone read the links...

    http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/in...uestion&id=197

    tells which has what.

    galaxy is fine

    but minstrels aint...if u r a vegan.
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    Mmmm...LOCKETS...Halal....TASTY....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toony™®
    does anyone read the links...

    http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/in...uestion&id=197

    tells which has what.

    galaxy is fine

    but minstrels aint...if u r a vegan.
    if i read that right, Snickets Ice Cream is fine BUT the chocolate bar aint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed
    if i read that right, Snickets Ice Cream is fine BUT the chocolate bar aint?

    yep...if ur a vegan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toony™®
    yep...if ur a vegan.
    ah right

    There is a vegan guy at work, all he has is hot cross buns and black coffee

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    well i hope its all safe here in canda.
    but i feel sorry for you guys, hopefully they will realise their mistake sooner then later

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    Breaking News!!

    Mars in a U TURN!

    Just heard on BBC Radio that they have backed down after being overwhelmed by the opposition to their use of animal rennet.

    So you Muslims rejoice - we're gonna get fat together!

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    So you Muslims rejoice - we're gonna get fat together!
    put that dalda tin back into emergency stock. for now just extra oil and candy.
    it is also possible that some dentist organization also complained about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy
    Breaking News!!

    Mars in a U TURN!

    Just heard on BBC Radio that they have backed down after being overwhelmed by the opposition to their use of animal rennet.

    So you Muslims rejoice - we're gonna get fat together!
    ....... ........ ..........

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    I wouldnt be surprised if it was down to the Vegetarian Society or whatever organistaioin the veggies are goverend by.

    Lots of members - very powerful in consumer terms.

    The 'veggie' pound counts for a lot in the UK

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    You have a turbulent few days Oxy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daoud
    You have a turbulent few days Oxy?
    Are you saying that Oxy bought few boxes of material that will be banned/haram to sell at jumma bazaar at high prices and now he is stuck

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm
    "There are three million vegetarians in the UK and not only did we disappoint them, but we upset a lot of the consumers."
    i was one who emailed them..but it was a half-heardted complaint..just querying what was halal and wasn't. ..and pointed out that as a muslim i was not going to buy anymore.
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    This is good news as I can continue putting on calories and having maltesers and ice cream prods. Waisay as someone pointed out it would have been ok anyway if the renent was from living calfs and not dead.

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