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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    The guy who gets shortchanged the most in all of this is Dhawan. In the last 3 years he has scored 2000+ runs at an avg of 52 and SR of 102.

    If Dhawan was in any other ODI team, he would be, at worst, the 2nd best batsman in that team. And apart from Aus and SA, he would be the best batsman in the side for all other teams.
    Problem with Dhawan is converting starts into big score. Virat since 2015 Worldcup has 14 centuries. Rohit 13 and Dhawan has just 7. All 3 have played similar number of matches. Dhawan also rarely finishes game which virat does and even rohit does quite few time.

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    Rohit Sharma was averaging and performing even worse than Umar Akmal and many ex Indian players were frustrated at his lack of runs and returns, they even talked of cutting their losses and moving on, but the Indian team management never gave up on him and decided to ask him to open the innings and he hasn't looked back ever since.

    On the other hand Umar Akmal has not even been considered for the opening position and is now out of the team for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Problem with Dhawan is converting starts into big score. Virat since 2015 Worldcup has 14 centuries. Rohit 13 and Dhawan has just 7. All 3 have played similar number of matches. Dhawan also rarely finishes game which virat does and even rohit does quite few time.
    Thing is, Dhawan's numbers only look "average" in the context of Virat and Rohit's numbers. But Virat and Rohit's numbers are rather insane to begin with.

    Since 2015, Dhawan has 9 hundreds, which is the joint 5th highest in the world, along with Amla who also has 9. In terms of runs scored he is the 8th highest in the world since 2015 and only 51 runs shy of 6th placed Eoin Morgan.

    If a player is among the top 10 for the last 4 years - then he is a damn good player. It's just that Virat and Rohit's sheer brilliance makes even good batsmen look ordinary in comparison.

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    Rohit's numbers were so massively disappointing after his first 81 innings: -

    Avg 30
    SR 78
    100s 2

    But clearly he has come a long way since then, after taking the role as an opener. His career average is hurt due to his first 80 innings and that is why even after being so fantastic since 2013, he only averages 47 now, which is same as Dhawan's average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Thing is, Dhawan's numbers only look "average" in the context of Virat and Rohit's numbers. But Virat and Rohit's numbers are rather insane to begin with.

    Since 2015, Dhawan has 9 hundreds, which is the joint 5th highest in the world, along with Amla who also has 9. In terms of runs scored he is the 8th highest in the world since 2015 and only 51 runs shy of 6th placed Eoin Morgan.

    If a player is among the top 10 for the last 4 years - then he is a damn good player. It's just that Virat and Rohit's sheer brilliance makes even good batsmen look ordinary in comparison.
    I do agree but this is world's best three. Dhawan don't have to look outside for competators he already has in virat & rohit. If he can convert 40s and 50s in 100s then he will do real great but again he has done very good as opener in last 5 years and probably best left hand opener along with warner

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    R.Sharma might be scoring good but is out of shape and he should share the secret to beating the yoyo into oblivion with other global crickters who have been struggling to pass yoyo tests in their respective teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ind_win View Post
    R.Sharma might be scoring good but is out of shape and he should share the secret to beating the yoyo into oblivion with other global crickters who have been struggling to pass yoyo tests in their respective teams.
    In that way manish pandey deserves place ahead of him? Rohit is good fielder and can play big knocks which no other player in team can so obviously he is fit to do it. But yes he should work on his fitness from now if he has to last 5+ year in international cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    In that way manish pandey deserves place ahead of him? Rohit is good fielder and can play big knocks which no other player in team can so obviously he is fit to do it. But yes he should work on his fitness from now if he has to last 5+ year in international cricket.
    I do not think M.pandey has a chance, his opportunities have been wasted by him + he was wrongly pushed into the finisher job which he is not capable of. His time is passed. Gill, Pant, Shaw knocking on the doors and in 2 years time most non-performers will have to go. And as for sharma, I would like to see when his form declines, will kohli persist with him now that some reported cold-war going-on between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ind_win View Post
    I do not think M.pandey has a chance, his opportunities have been wasted by him + he was wrongly pushed into the finisher job which he is not capable of. His time is passed. Gill, Pant, Shaw knocking on the doors and in 2 years time most non-performers will have to go. And as for sharma, I would like to see when his form declines, will kohli persist with him now that some reported cold-war going-on between them.
    Sharma will play 2023 worldcup at home along with dhawan. After that both dhawan and rohit will go and for kohli idk if he would want to play 2027 worldcup it would depend upon himself.

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    I think one thing we have to give it to Rohit is the fact that once he gets set and then goes beserk and plays long inning has really helped India save the fragality of the middle order from the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    I think one thing we have to give it to Rohit is the fact that once he gets set and then goes beserk and plays long inning has really helped India save the fragality of the middle order from the last few years.
    He isn't that inconsistent either. He will always be under shadows of Virat Kohli. Avg of 70 in since 2016 with 12 centuries isn't inconsistent as few people say. In last 9 series he has century in each of them which none other batsman has. Virat just has different level of consistency and that's reason Rohit and Dhawan looks bit inconsistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    He isn't that inconsistent either. He will always be under shadows of Virat Kohli. Avg of 70 in since 2016 with 12 centuries isn't inconsistent as few people say. In last 9 series he has century in each of them which none other batsman has. Virat just has different level of consistency and that's reason Rohit and Dhawan looks bit inconsistent.
    He has been consistent enough since 2013.His numbers pre 13 hurt him a lot. Took him years before he established himself.

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    7th 150+ score for The Hitman.

    Father of daddy hundreds in this format.

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    Magnificent 162 by Hitman. Well done

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    missed easy 200.

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    Was just looking at some of Rohits stats and for the first 5-6 years of his odi career (~80 ODIs so a large sample) he averaged only 30 with a pretty pathetic strike rate (mid to late 70s). All credit to the selectors and management back then for persisting with him. In some other eras he would have been dropped and never seen again.

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    what a beast of a player. King of daddy hundreds. Legend. You just run out of superlatives for this gem of a player.

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    Sharma if he scores he is even bigger match winner than Kholi.

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    The Hitman hitsT20i hundred #4

    Most by any international.

    6 sixes in that knock.

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    One of India's all-time greats in T20s.

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    Rohit since 2015 has most centuries (20) in short formats! next best is Kohli with 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Rohit since 2015 has most centuries (20) in short formats! next best is Kohli with 17.
    He’s ahead of Kohli impact wise. Every time he scores a big one he turns the tide India’s side comprehensively.

    The Hitman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    One of India's all-time greats in T20s.
    And ODIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He’s ahead of Kohli impact wise. Every time he scores a big one he turns the tide India’s side comprehensively.

    The Hitman!
    Happens only on pattas though


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Happens only on pattas though
    That's about short formats where you get only pattas imo and kohli too scores on that only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Happens only on pattas though
    Keep hating. He’s quietly become one of the best in the world while many people chose to discredit him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Keep hating. He’s quietly become one of the best in the world while many people chose to discredit him.
    He surely is.But your original reply compared him to Kohli who's on another level.Kohli's done far better in varied conditions


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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He’s ahead of Kohli impact wise. Every time he scores a big one he turns the tide India’s side comprehensively.

    The Hitman!
    Agreed, when Rohit is in zone teams literally **** their pants. Kohli doesn't look threatening for some reason. Power hitting is a huge aspect of a batsman's legacy, no wonder Viv is so highly regarded (despite being worse than Gavaskar and Border stat wise in tests)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Agreed, when Rohit is in zone teams literally **** their pants. Kohli doesn't look threatening for some reason. Power hitting is a huge aspect of a batsman's legacy, no wonder Viv is so highly regarded (despite being worse than Gavaskar and Border stat wise in tests)
    I have been a fan of Rohit since 2007 T20WC. I like him more than Kohli. But that statement is just nonsense.

    Kohli's played some equally unbelievable knocks. Their way of constructing an innings is different but that doesn't mean Kohli doesn't threaten the opposition as much. And when the situation demands it, Kohli can also turn the heat on. Don't forget that the fastest century (52 balls) is by Kohli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    And ODIs
    World Cup 2019 will decide. Currently, he is just a rung below ATGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    I have been a fan of Rohit since 2007 T20WC. I like him more than Kohli. But that statement is just nonsense.

    Kohli's played some equally unbelievable knocks. Their way of constructing an innings is different but that doesn't mean Kohli doesn't threaten the opposition as much. And when the situation demands it, Kohli can also turn the heat on. Don't forget that the fastest century (52 balls) is by Kohli.
    Hobart knock
    183 in Asia Cup
    82 in T20 v Aus in last T20 WC

    Rohit has played awesome knocks but Kohli is on another level in terms of handling pressure


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    Yes, in terms of handling pressure, Kohli is clearly a level superior to Rohit, who although has got extra batting gear compared to Kohli. That is the only aspect where Rohit is superior to Kohli.
    Last edited by Ab Fan; 7th November 2018 at 15:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    I have been a fan of Rohit since 2007 T20WC. I like him more than Kohli. But that statement is just nonsense.

    Kohli's played some equally unbelievable knocks. Their way of constructing an innings is different but that doesn't mean Kohli doesn't threaten the opposition as much. And when the situation demands it, Kohli can also turn the heat on. Don't forget that the fastest century (52 balls) is by Kohli.
    1/3rd of Rohit's hundreds are 150+, Kohli isn't as dangerous as Rohit after they become set. I am not making facts up, it's a fact.

    In conversations about death-overs batting in limited overs, the names that usually come up are those of MS Dhoni, AB De Villiers and Andre Russell, but Rohit's strike rate of 209.3 is the highest for any player in ODIs (minimum 30 balls faced) in the last five years.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...oo-good-second

    Rohit is more destructive than even ABD after (and if) he reaches 40th over. ABD is arguably the most destructive batsman in history of cricket. Every 1 in 3 of Rohit's hundred is 150+. Kohli is obviously more consistent but Rohit is more dangerous when set.

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    Rohit's extra gears are helpful for current indian team which lacks hitter in middle order & even in whole xi. Kohli's century might not work sometimes if opposition has gotten great hitters and big run scorers in side & this is when Rohit's big daddy hundred help us to win the match. But no doubt Kohli is already short format GOAT & Rohit will achieve it before he retires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    1/3rd of Rohit's hundreds are 150+, Kohli isn't as dangerous as Rohit after they become set. I am not making facts up, it's a fact.


    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...oo-good-second

    Rohit is more destructive than even ABD after (and if) he reaches 40th over. ABD is arguably the most destructive batsman in history of cricket. Every 1 in 3 of Rohit's hundred is 150+. Kohli is obviously more consistent but Rohit is more dangerous when set.
    If "dangerous" means striking ability, then yes. But if "dangerous" means match-winning ability then no.

    I've seen Kohli play some innings that shouldn't be humanely possible to play. Two that spring to mind is that 82* against Australia in the 2016 WT20 and the 132* against SL in 2012 in the tri-series in Australia.

    Kohli doesn't have the six hitting ability of Rohit. Nobody has. But despite that I think Kohli strikes at 170-180 in the 40th over onwards. He definitely has the game to go at a massive SR. But his role in the team is different. So he has moulded his game differently.

    Till 2013/14 we saw a different style of batting from Kohli. He was a lot more aggresive. Now he plays percentage cricket. And he plays it better than anyone else.

    Kohli's transformation actually reminds me of Sachin's transformation in his batting after the tennis elbow injury. Even Sachin became less aggresive in his approach. But he actually became even more consistent after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Hobart knock
    183 in Asia Cup
    82 in T20 v Aus in last T20 WC

    Rohit has played awesome knocks but Kohli is on another level in terms of handling pressure
    Quite right!

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    One for the ages - outrageous stroke by Rohit Sharma!

    Why not aim to be a test great too - when you can do this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jz9...cricket.com.au

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    Because he isn't a great he is a showboat without any temperament.

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    Rohit didn't learn even after almost holing out the previous delivery. This alone shows that he can't ever be a test cricketer.

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    Simply not cut out for test cricket, his method of dismissal was the worst today and there were some really bad ones on display !!!

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    Good lord I just saw his dismissal. After hitting a SIX the previous ball too.

    The question is not when HE will ever learn, the question is when Kohli and Shastri will.

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    He's like Umar Akmal of tests.

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    Magnificent counter attacking cameo from The Hitman today that turned the momentum India's way and gave confidence to the rest of the Indian batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    Why not aim to be a test great too - when you can do this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jz9...cricket.com.au
    What an incredible stroke that was. Even the comms couldn't believe it for a sec. But that's what Rohit is all about. Outrageous strokes that show his talent and outrageous strokes that show his stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Magnificent counter attacking cameo from The Hitman today that turned the momentum India's way and gave confidence to the rest of the Indian batsmen.
    Bull.He should have converted his start


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    He is the Hitman. He will hit. As simple as that. He did a great job.

    Sometimes such confidence building rescue operation cameos mean more than double hundreds on flat pitches.

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    Such a irritating batsman to be fan of. I love watching him bat but when he throws it i feel like punching him on face. He should stop being elegant and look to play like pujara.

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    I think, Sharma should open with Vijay and Rahul come 5 down...


    "Everything else seems so superfluous." ~ Albert Einstein on the Bhagavad-Gita

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    I think, Sharma should open with Vijay and Rahul come 5 down...
    Don't think it will happen. Kohli at the toss mentioned they went with him because he bats well with the tail. So that's the role they see him in. Think he'd flower as an opener though.

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    ODI hundred #22 for The Hitman.


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    Second greatest ODI opener of all time. Legend.

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    Most ODI hundreds vs Australia :-

    Tendulkat - 9
    Hitman - 7
    Haynes - 6
    Kohli - 5


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