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    Languages you know [Merged]

    Hi everyone, the title of the thread is self explanatory, so lets see what languages PPers know, here is mine:

    English: Read, write & speak.
    Urdu: Speak & little read.
    Pashto: Only speak.
    Arabic: Read and write, & little speak.
    Persian: Read & learning to speak.


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    english: read , write, and speak
    afrikaans: read write and try to speak
    urdu: speak and read a bit
    arabis: read and can write and understand a little
    french: did it in primary school but forgot now
    Sesotho(african language); can understand


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    Thread already posted before in "Time Pass" section by myself.......

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=72924


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    Sorry Dhoni bhai, I checked it here in the language section & couldn't find a thread like this so I decided to open it, I wasn't expecting it to be time pass section, My Bad


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    Urdu, English, French, Arabic, Basic Spanish and spoken Hindi

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    urdu.english,punjabi,mirpuri,german,french and bit of spanish

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    Arabic: Read only
    Udru: Speak,Read and write a little
    English: Read, Write and Speak
    Hindi: Speak only

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    English, Urdu and German.


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    and of course Read Arabic


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    English,Urdu: read,write and understand
    Arabic,Persian or any language written in nastaliq script: read only

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    English, Urdu, Pashtoo, Punjabi, Hindko, Potohari.

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    Dutch, German, French, English, Spanish, Punjabi, Urdu


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    English: Read, write & speak.
    Urdu: Speak, read and write.
    Pashto: speak fluently but little read and write.
    Arabic: Read and write, & little speak.
    French: Read, Write and Speak
    Hindi: Speak

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    English-read,write,speak
    Hindi-read,write,speak
    Bengali-read,write,speak
    Tamil-speak(btw its my mother tongue,a real shame i dont know to read and write in tamil)

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    Dutch-Urdu-Punjabi-English-French-Germanyy


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    read write and speak english, urdu, punjabi, hindi and arabic

    can understand a few others quite well

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    english, urdu, and german. a bit of french, spanish, and punjabi.

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    English, French and Urdu


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    Pashto Read Write Speak (My mother tongue)
    Urdu Read Write Speak
    English Read Write Speak
    Arabic Read Write Speak
    Persian Read Speak

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    50% english
    100% hindi
    50% punjabi
    50%urdu
    100%polish
    100% lahulhi



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    English - Read, Write, Speak
    Hindi - Speak
    Urdu - Speak, write and read Roman Urdu Only.
    French - A little, of speak, and write.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir john View Post
    100%polish

    ai kithon?


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    English- Read, write, and speak
    Punjabi- Speak
    Urdu- Speak
    Spanish- Speak a bit, write a bit, and read a bit (4 years of Spanish in High school)

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    English (duh)-Read,write and speak/understand
    Urdu-Read write and speak/understand
    Arabic-Read,write and understand a bit
    Punjabi-I cant say I understand entirely but a bit ..Like the entire Bewafa song by Imran Khan

    I'm tying to learn German. I know very few phrases in German.


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    Foreign languages. Anyone?

    I love languages and I tried to learn Farsi (Persian) in 2008 but left after 2 months then I started learning Arabic and once again, left after 2 months.

    Dono main nakam raha but aaj kal I'm learning French and loving it! It's been 6 months now and it's going well.

    So have you ever tried to learn any foreign language? If yes, were you successful or unsuccessful? What were the reasons? Any tips?


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    I spent some time in Colombia and my Spanish was okayish when I left...I can pick up accents and vocabulary well so I understand easily and speak with a good accent...grammar I struggle with...

    Plan to do Central America in its entirety in the next few years to perfect it...At the moment I'm learning Bahasa Indonesian...quite easy so far but I'll be tested properly when I'm there next year...for an oriental language though its pretty much the easiest around and its pretty much the same as Malay so gives you scope...

    As for tips...nothings better than going to France...my Spanish was awful till I got to Colombia...ideally go to somewhere where there wont be tourists and go alone so you have no choice but to immerse yourself...learn technical sides of the language at home but in terms of understanding and speaking nothing develops it more than going to the actual place...

    WhiteDudeFromTrinidad is right about movies...I found them hard but some dialects are better than others...Colombian Spanish for instance is slow and easier to pickup...maybe there is a French equivalent...you know your really at one with the language when you understand football commentary lol...
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    I had to learn some French for work because I often make trips to France and Belgium

    if you live in the UK like I do you can pick up several French radio stations on long wave. I have the frequencies stored on my car radio and I will often tune in to keep my ear in

    there's also a French TV station TV5 on SKY channel 799 which I watch from time to time

    the news shows are the best because the presenters speak in perfect French so it's easier for novices to understand

    conversely French films are the worst because half of the dialogue is quickly spoken and littered with a lot of slang

    try to avoid French Canadian shows/films. They have some weird accent and unique vocabulary. Even the French can't understand half of what they're saying! TV5 put subtitles in French when broadcasting French Canadian shows

    Edit:
    I just noticed from your profile that you live in Karachi so that's made most of my post redundant. You can still watch TV5 news bulletins on their website www.TV5.fr
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    I spent some time in Colombia and my Spanish was okayish when I left...I can pick up accents and vocabulary well so I understand easily and speak with a good accent...grammar I struggle with...

    Plan to do Central America in its entirety in the next few years to perfect it...At the moment I'm learning Bahasa Indonesian...quite easy so far but I'll be tested properly when I'm there next year...for an oriental language though its pretty much the easiest around and its pretty much the same as Malay so gives you scope...

    As for tips...nothings better than going to France...my Spanish was awful till I got to Colombia...ideally go to somewhere where there wont be tourists and go alone so you have no choice but to immerse yourself...learn technical sides of the language at home but in terms of understanding and speaking nothing develops it more than going to the actual place...

    WhiteDudeFromTrinidad is right about movies...I found them hard but some dialects are better than others...Colombian Spanish for instance is slow and easier to pickup...maybe there is a French equivalent...you know your really at one with the language when you understand football commentary lol...
    Spanish! Wow! All of my younger cousins are learning Spanish these days here in Karachi. They like, Shakira, Nadal, FC Barcelona, Messi, etc...

    How different is Columbian Spanish from Mexican or Castilian or Argentinian? Can you speak them?

    You are right about movies, not the best option for beginners, same goes for songs.

    I have been to France in May-June (after learning French for a month) and surprisingly I could understand some of the most common talk. No doubt, the immersion is the best way to learn a language.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    I had to learn some French for work because I often make trips to France and Belgium

    if you live in the UK like I do you can pick up several French radio stations on long wave. I have the frequencies stored on my car radio and I will often tune in to keep my ear in

    there's also a French TV station TV5 on SKY channel 799 which I watch from time to time

    the news shows are the best because the presenters speak in perfect French so it's easier for novices to understand

    conversely French films are the worst because half of the dialogue is quickly spoken and littered with a lot of slang

    try to avoid French Canadian shows/films. They have some weird accent and unique vocabulary. Even the French can't understand half of what they're saying! TV5 put subtitles in French when broadcasting French Canadian shows

    Edit:
    I just noticed from your profile that you live in Karachi so that's made most of my post redundant. You can still watch TV5 news bulletins on their website www.TV5.fr
    You are spot on about the movies and I didn't know about the French Canadian shows/films that they are so different. Eye-opener!

    My teacher forbade me from reading Le Monde when in France because it's very difficult and I may lose my confidence. Are the news channels easier than the newspapers?

    Thanks for the link!


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post

    You are spot on about the movies and I didn't know about the French Canadian shows/films that they are so different. Eye-opener!

    My teacher forbade me from reading Le Monde when in France because it's very difficult and I may lose my confidence. Are the news channels easier than the newspapers?

    Thanks for the link!
    de rien

    I would agree with your teacher about Le Monde as you need to learn a large vocabulary to understand most of their articles

    France has a dedicated sports paper called l'equipe which is less taxing so I would go with that although it has little or no cricket coverage

    but imo TV news bulletins are the best because you get to hear the actual language and accent, something that you can't really get from books and newspapers. I also find it easier when I'm watching the news presenter speak the actual words, a bit like lip reading, as opposed to listening to a news show on the radio. Another benefit of watching French news bulletins is that it helps you keep abreast of current affairs especially European

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    de rien

    I would agree with your teacher about Le Monde as you need to learn a large vocabulary to understand most of their articles

    France has a dedicated sports paper called l'equipe which is less taxing so I would go with that although it has little or no cricket coverage

    but imo TV news bulletins are the best because you get to hear the actual language and accent, something that you can't really get from books and newspapers. I also find it easier when I'm watching the news presenter speak the actual words, a bit like lip reading, as opposed to listening to a news show on the radio. Another benefit of watching French news bulletins is that it helps you keep abreast of current affairs especially European
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    Here in Canada we have to learn french at school

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    Yea. I learnt Urdu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    Melissa Theuriau fan? ...
    oh yes, very much so

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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Spanish! Wow! All of my younger cousins are learning Spanish these days here in Karachi. They like, Shakira, Nadal, FC Barcelona, Messi, etc...

    How different is Columbian Spanish from Mexican or Castilian or Argentinian? Can you speak them?

    You are right about movies, not the best option for beginners, same goes for songs.

    I have been to France in May-June (after learning French for a month) and surprisingly I could understand some of the most common talk. No doubt, the immersion is the best way to learn a language.


    You are spot on about the movies and I didn't know about the French Canadian shows/films that they are so different. Eye-opener!

    My teacher forbade me from reading Le Monde when in France because it's very difficult and I may lose my confidence. Are the news channels easier than the newspapers?

    Thanks for the link!


    Spanish from Spain is a lot different from Latin American Spanish...words are substituted often...and nah I cant speak it...Spaniards can easily tell its Latin American spanish when I speak...I personally really dont like the Spanish accent...

    One of the reasons I chose Colombia is because they don't cut words much like most of South America...coastal countries and some others in South America often speak in slang too...I picked up Colombian slang but havent explored South America in its entirety yet...

    If you ever think of learning Spanish which will be easy once you got French down I recommend Colombia as a top country...not overpopulated by tourists and the accent is slow and clear which made learning it a lot easier...it also sounds really nice imo...and the country and the people are really interesting...

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    i learned German for abt 3 months then i quit, it was hard as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkmix View Post
    i learned German for abt 3 months then i quit, it was hard as hell.
    I did it at school for GCSE...absolute nightmare...

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    english
    chinese
    urdu
    punjabi


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    urdu
    english
    punjabi
    french
    italian
    german
    norwegin
    swedish
    finnish
    serbian
    spanish

    and i speak first 3 of them.
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    urdu- read, write and speak
    english- read, write and speak
    punjabi- read wite and speak
    arabic- read, write and speak a little


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desire View Post
    urdu
    english
    punjabi
    french
    italian
    german
    norwegin
    swedish
    finnish
    serbian
    spanish

    and i speak first 3 of them.
    lmaooo


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    Urdu/English

    can understand, Sindhi, Gujrati and a bit of Kachi/Baluchi/Punjabi

    sad part is my dad can speak all of the above languages plus Persian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    I love languages and I tried to learn Farsi (Persian) in 2008 but left after 2 months then I started learning Arabic and once again, left after 2 months.

    Dono main nakam raha but aaj kal I'm learning French and loving it! It's been 6 months now and it's going well.

    So have you ever tried to learn any foreign language? If yes, were you successful or unsuccessful? What were the reasons? Any tips?
    Hey Moiz, where did you learn Farsi in Karachi? I've been trying to find a good language school for it without much luck.

    To attempt to answer your original question, I think the key is to find a group of people who speak the language you're learning and practice with them. I took Spanish for 3 terms in college but never hung out with anyone who spoke it so I got zero practice outside class so I never really got comfortable with it. Nothing like immersion though. Even when I was just visiting Spanish-speaking countries (and really only using the kind of language a tourist would need to) I felt like I got used to it pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    de rien

    I would agree with your teacher about Le Monde as you need to learn a large vocabulary to understand most of their articles

    France has a dedicated sports paper called l'equipe which is less taxing so I would go with that although it has little or no cricket coverage

    but imo TV news bulletins are the best because you get to hear the actual language and accent, something that you can't really get from books and newspapers. I also find it easier when I'm watching the news presenter speak the actual words, a bit like lip reading, as opposed to listening to a news show on the radio. Another benefit of watching French news bulletins is that it helps you keep abreast of current affairs especially European
    Merci beacoup! C'est trés informatif. Vous-avez correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    Spanish from Spain is a lot different from Latin American Spanish...words are substituted often...and nah I cant speak it...Spaniards can easily tell its Latin American spanish when I speak...I personally really dont like the Spanish accent...

    One of the reasons I chose Colombia is because they don't cut words much like most of South America...coastal countries and some others in South America often speak in slang too...I picked up Colombian slang but havent explored South America in its entirety yet...

    If you ever think of learning Spanish which will be easy once you got French down I recommend Colombia as a top country...not overpopulated by tourists and the accent is slow and clear which made learning it a lot easier...it also sounds really nice imo...and the country and the people are really interesting...
    My Mexican friends tells me that Mexcian Spanish is the most popular Spanish in the two American continents because of the Mexican media. They say that everyone can understand it in Latin America. Most of the films gets dubbed and subtitled in Mexican Spanish for all the Spanish speaking countries. It is also the most spoken version of Spanish.

    But the Spaniards say that their Castellano is the real Spanish. So I'm still confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by kkmix View Post
    i learned German for abt 3 months then i quit, it was hard as hell.
    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    I did it at school for GCSE...absolute nightmare...
    Really? I have heard that it's very easy to learn for English speakers because of the same structure. English is actually a Germanic language.

    Quote Originally Posted by sanakazmi View Post
    Hey Moiz, where did you learn Farsi in Karachi? I've been trying to find a good language school for it without much luck.

    To attempt to answer your original question, I think the key is to find a group of people who speak the language you're learning and practice with them. I took Spanish for 3 terms in college but never hung out with anyone who spoke it so I got zero practice outside class so I never really got comfortable with it. Nothing like immersion though. Even when I was just visiting Spanish-speaking countries (and really only using the kind of language a tourist would need to) I felt like I got used to it pretty quickly.
    Hello, I know of two.

    - Department of Persian, University of Karachi (where I studied).
    - Iranian Culture Centre, Teen Talwar.

    Apart from these two, you can learn it on your own using the audio-books. I have one, which is truly awesome! It's called Pimsleur.

    I have to confess, Farsi and Italian are the two most beautiful languages in the world. Intehai meethi.

    Not to mention the killer prose and poetry of Molana Rumi, Shaykh Saadi, Hafiz Sheerazi, Omar Khayyam etc... Ah! Kya yaad dila dia.


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    Much better than learning foreign languages is teaching them foreigners one's own language. If they are too thick to learn, their loss, innit




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    Quote Originally Posted by iHammad View Post
    Here in Canada we have to learn french at school
    Till Grade 9 only.

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    The only languages I can speak fluenty are English, Urdu and Punjabi.

    I am not interested in learning any other language. English is spoken all over the world as its a "Universal Language" so it does the trick for me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive View Post
    The only languages I can speak fluenty are English, Urdu and Punjabi.

    I am not interested in learning any other language. English is spoken all over the world as its a "Universal Language" so it does the trick for me .
    I use to think the same before travelling to Italy, France and Turkey. Not everyone speak English in the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Merci beacoup! C'est trés informatif. Vous-avez correct.


    My Mexican friends tells me that Mexcian Spanish is the most popular Spanish in the two American continents because of the Mexican media. They say that everyone can understand it in Latin America. Most of the films gets dubbed and subtitled in Mexican Spanish for all the Spanish speaking countries. It is also the most spoken version of Spanish.

    But the Spaniards say that their Castellano is the real Spanish. So I'm still confused.



    Really? I have heard that it's very easy to learn for English speakers because of the same structure. English is actually a Germanic language.


    Hello, I know of two.

    - Department of Persian, University of Karachi (where I studied).
    - Iranian Culture Centre, Teen Talwar.

    Apart from these two, you can learn it on your own using the audio-books. I have one, which is truly awesome! It's called Pimsleur.

    I have to confess, Farsi and Italian are the two most beautiful languages in the world. Intehai meethi.

    Not to mention the killer prose and poetry of Molana Rumi, Shaykh Saadi, Hafiz Sheerazi, Omar Khayyam etc... Ah! Kya yaad dila dia.

    I struggled with languages academically when I was young...maybe I might find German a bit easier now...

    As for the Mexican thing I can imagine thats true...but just because its the most popular Spanish doesnt make it the best...its like for Arabs most of their best shows are Egyptian so everyone tends to know that version of Arabic...that isnt neccesarily indicative of its quality...the best to my understanding is in Mauritania and Yemen...

    When you learn Latin American Spanish then every Spaniard will believe you learned the inferior version of Spanish...its standard colonial mentality where they feel they have the original and best version of the language...for me I prefer Latin American Spanish simply because I think it sounds nicer and I'd rather have the 3rd world version of the language than the original in terms of access...learning a language helps me get by in the countries I visit so if I sound less chic than some dude whos learned Spanish in Madrid it doesnt worry me so much...
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    Vouz avez correct?!

    lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Spanish! Wow! All of my younger cousins are learning Spanish these days here in Karachi. They like, Shakira, Nadal, FC Barcelona, Messi, etc...

    How different is Columbian Spanish from Mexican or Castilian or Argentinian? Can you speak them?
    Moiz you should give Spanish a go. It isn't hard to learn. It is pronounced almost exactly as its written and the pronunciation for native Urdu speakers isn't that difficult.

    As for differences between the various forms of Spanish, it is mainly a difference in accents. Like the dude doing different English accents here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

    the same way most native Spanish speakers have a good idea of where you're from/where you learned the language based on how you speak.

    In general Spanish in Spain sounds pretty coarse. I would liken it to how Urdu sounds when spoken with a Punjabi accent. Whereas in Latin America they talk almost as if they're singing, in a sort of melodic way. So it doesn't hurt the ears as much.

    Then there are a few broad differences in terms of word usage. Just as they are in English between British/American, like lift/elevator, jug/pitcher, etc.

    Also in Latin American Spanish, they have the equivalent of 'aap' and 'tum' in Urdu.. 'usted' and 'tu'. So if you're addressing someone formally or with respect, you'd use 'usted'. In Spain, they generally don't use the 'usted' form, everything's 'tu', just like it's all 'you' in English.

    But then in certain Latin countries like Argentina, Paraguay, they have a third form, which would be sort of like the 'tu' in Urdu/Punjabi, which is only reserved for people very familiar to you. This is the 'vos' form in Spanish, and not used that widely.

    Anyway, subtle differences like this, but the main difference as I said is in accents. Formal language is the same everywhere.

    A good way for me to keep in touch with it is to try and read Spanish newspapers online, especially for football news, and try and watch Spanish broadcasts of games. But yeah, nothing works like actually immersing yourself in a place where they only speak what you're trying to learn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar View Post
    Vouz avez correct?!

    lol.
    Should it be 'vous êtes correct' then?

    How about 'vous avez raison' ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post

    Really? I have heard that it's very easy to learn for English speakers because of the same structure. English is actually a Germanic language.

    that's true, but over the centuries the language further evolved and without doubt the biggest impact was in 1066 (I think) when England was invaded and conquered by the French. Modern English is more French than German. I'm sure you're already aware of this but you might not have noticed the scale of the French influence. I would say that nearly half of the English language is derived from French.

    for example, there are approximately 1,200 words in the English language that end in "tion" such as reservation, condition, situation and so on

    all those "tion" words come from French, and they have the same meaning!

    so anyone who speaks English and is thinking of learning French, well there's a 1,200 word vocabulary that you already know!

    of course the pronunciation (<--another French word) is different (<--and another!) 'tion' is pronounced "zhion" but you probably already know that

    Edit: sorry there is one exception to the above and ironically it's 'traduction' which means 'translation'
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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Should it be 'vous êtes correct' then?

    How about 'vous avez raison' ?
    vous avez raison imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    Moiz you should give Spanish a go. It isn't hard to learn. It is pronounced almost exactly as its written and the pronunciation for native Urdu speakers isn't that difficult.

    As for differences between the various forms of Spanish, it is mainly a difference in accents. Like the dude doing different English accents here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

    the same way most native Spanish speakers have a good idea of where you're from/where you learned the language based on how you speak.

    In general Spanish in Spain sounds pretty coarse. I would liken it to how Urdu sounds when spoken with a Punjabi accent. Whereas in Latin America they talk almost as if they're singing, in a sort of melodic way. So it doesn't hurt the ears as much.

    Then there are a few broad differences in terms of word usage. Just as they are in English between British/American, like lift/elevator, jug/pitcher, etc.

    Also in Latin American Spanish, they have the equivalent of 'aap' and 'tum' in Urdu.. 'usted' and 'tu'. So if you're addressing someone formally or with respect, you'd use 'usted'. In Spain, they generally don't use the 'usted' form, everything's 'tu', just like it's all 'you' in English.

    But then in certain Latin countries like Argentina, Paraguay, they have a third form, which would be sort of like the 'tu' in Urdu/Punjabi, which is only reserved for people very familiar to you. This is the 'vos' form in Spanish, and not used that widely.

    Anyway, subtle differences like this, but the main difference as I said is in accents. Formal language is the same everywhere.

    A good way for me to keep in touch with it is to try and read Spanish newspapers online, especially for football news, and try and watch Spanish broadcasts of games. But yeah, nothing works like actually immersing yourself in a place where they only speak what you're trying to learn.

    Which one did you learn bro?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post

    Hello, I know of two.

    - Department of Persian, University of Karachi (where I studied).
    - Iranian Culture Centre, Teen Talwar.

    Apart from these two, you can learn it on your own using the audio-books. I have one, which is truly awesome! It's called Pimsleur.

    I have to confess, Farsi and Italian are the two most beautiful languages in the world. Intehai meethi.

    Not to mention the killer prose and poetry of Molana Rumi, Shaykh Saadi, Hafiz Sheerazi, Omar Khayyam etc... Ah! Kya yaad dila dia.
    Thanks for the info! Can anybody take the course at KU or do you have to be enrolled in one of their degree programs?

    You're right about Farsi and Italian - definitely two languages I'd love to master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    Which one did you learn bro?...
    Both. I started learning the language in the US, where the influence is heavily Latin, in terms of accents and word usage. Then I lived in Spain for around 4 months so got exposed to that side of things as well.

    Although the part of Spain I was in (southern Spain) the accent there while a lot different has some similarities to the Latin accent. The majority of the colonizers came from the southern lands, so it's their tendency to drop certain letters (like "esta" becomes "eta" etc) that one can see in certain places, especially Central America and the Caribbean. Also the accent in the south is less lispy than in the rest of the country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iHammad View Post
    Here in Canada we have to learn french at school
    Quote Originally Posted by Cover Drive View Post
    Till Grade 9 only.
    Canadian French? Do they tell you about the difference of the Parisian French? Which dictionary do you use?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    I struggled with languages academically when I was young...maybe I might find German a bit easier now...

    As for the Mexican thing I can imagine thats true...but just because its the most popular Spanish doesnt make it the best...its like for Arabs most of their best shows are Egyptian so everyone tends to know that version of Arabic...that isnt neccesarily indicative of its quality...the best to my understanding is in Mauritania and Yemen...

    When you learn Latin American Spanish then every Spaniard will believe you learned the inferior version of Spanish...its standard colonial mentality where they feel they have the original and best version of the language...for me I prefer Latin American Spanish simply because I think it sounds nicer and I'd rather have the 3rd world version of the language than the original in terms of access...learning a language helps me get by in the countries I visit so if I sound less chic than some dude whos learned Spanish in Madrid it doesnt worry me so much...
    Fair enough! Which Spanish do they teach in US, the second most popular/widely spoken language there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    Moiz you should give Spanish a go. It isn't hard to learn. It is pronounced almost exactly as its written and the pronunciation for native Urdu speakers isn't that difficult.

    As for differences between the various forms of Spanish, it is mainly a difference in accents. Like the dude doing different English accents here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

    the same way most native Spanish speakers have a good idea of where you're from/where you learned the language based on how you speak.

    In general Spanish in Spain sounds pretty coarse. I would liken it to how Urdu sounds when spoken with a Punjabi accent. Whereas in Latin America they talk almost as if they're singing, in a sort of melodic way. So it doesn't hurt the ears as much.

    Then there are a few broad differences in terms of word usage. Just as they are in English between British/American, like lift/elevator, jug/pitcher, etc.

    Also in Latin American Spanish, they have the equivalent of 'aap' and 'tum' in Urdu.. 'usted' and 'tu'. So if you're addressing someone formally or with respect, you'd use 'usted'. In Spain, they generally don't use the 'usted' form, everything's 'tu', just like it's all 'you' in English.

    But then in certain Latin countries like Argentina, Paraguay, they have a third form, which would be sort of like the 'tu' in Urdu/Punjabi, which is only reserved for people very familiar to you. This is the 'vos' form in Spanish, and not used that widely.

    Anyway, subtle differences like this, but the main difference as I said is in accents. Formal language is the same everywhere.

    A good way for me to keep in touch with it is to try and read Spanish newspapers online, especially for football news, and try and watch Spanish broadcasts of games. But yeah, nothing works like actually immersing yourself in a place where they only speak what you're trying to learn.
    Wow! Thanks for the explanation

    I have heard that the Spanish spoken in Argentina, sounds pretty much like Italian. Why is it so?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    that's true, but over the centuries the language further evolved and without doubt the biggest impact was in 1066 (I think) when England was invaded and conquered by the French. Modern English is more French than German. I'm sure you're already aware of this but you might not have noticed the scale of the French influence. I would say that nearly half of the English language is derived from French.

    for example, there are approximately 1,200 words in the English language that end in "tion" such as reservation, condition, situation and so on

    all those "tion" words come from French, and they have the same meaning!

    so anyone who speaks English and is thinking of learning French, well there's a 1,200 word vocabulary that you already know!

    of course the pronunciation (<--another French word) is different (<--and another!) 'tion' is pronounced "zhion" but you probably already know that

    Edit: sorry there is one exception to the above and ironically it's 'traduction' which means 'translation'
    Yeah. Could you please also write about the influence of English on French? I have heard that English is a Germanic language with French influence and French is a Latin language with English influence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    Both. I started learning the language in the US, where the influence is heavily Latin, in terms of accents and word usage. Then I lived in Spain for around 4 months so got exposed to that side of things as well.

    Although the part of Spain I was in (southern Spain) the accent there while a lot different has some similarities to the Latin accent. The majority of the colonizers came from the southern lands, so it's their tendency to drop certain letters (like "esta" becomes "eta" etc) that one can see in certain places, especially Central America and the Caribbean. Also the accent in the south is less lispy than in the rest of the country.
    So in the US they teach Latin American Spanish? Is there any board or authority of Latin American Spanish? Dictionary?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sanakazmi View Post
    Thanks for the info! Can anybody take the course at KU or do you have to be enrolled in one of their degree programs?

    You're right about Farsi and Italian - definitely two languages I'd love to master.
    Sana, anybody can take the language courses at KU. The admissions will start in the first week of January.

    Italian is also available at KU, with the support of the Italian consulate. May be you can take both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Wow! Thanks for the explanation

    I have heard that the Spanish spoken in Argentina, sounds pretty much like Italian. Why is it so?
    Well, Argentinians are essentially immigrants from Italy, so maybe that's why! It's just the accent I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    So in the US they teach Latin American Spanish? Is there any board or authority of Latin American Spanish? Dictionary?
    No, it's the same formal language everywhere. Just like the written English in England is the same as the English in Australia or the US.

    Most of my teachers were from Latin America so that's the accent I got exposed to. In the formal language there is no difference


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    No, it's the same formal language everywhere. Just like the written English in England is the same as the English in Australia or the US.

    Most of my teachers were from Latin America so that's the accent I got exposed to. In the formal language there is no difference
    Formal Spanish means the one from Madrid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Formal Spanish means the one from Madrid?
    No, by formal Spanish I mean the language you read in books and newspapers and what you study in the classroom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    No, by formal Spanish I mean the language you read in books and newspapers and what you study in the classroom.
    OK, got it.

    Which version of spoken Spanish is closest to the formal Spanish?
    The spoken English of London is closest to the formal English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz View Post
    Sana, anybody can take the language courses at KU. The admissions will start in the first week of January.

    Italian is also available at KU, with the support of the Italian consulate. May be you can take both.
    I had an Italian roommate once, it's such a fun language!

    Thanks again for the info - January is so far away!

    I like the Afridi smiley btw. If he had to be any other nationality, he would definitely be Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanakazmi View Post
    I had an Italian roommate once, it's such a fun language!

    Thanks again for the info - January is so far away!

    I like the Afridi smiley btw. If he had to be any other nationality, he would definitely be Italian.
    Italian roommate! Wow! I had many Italian hostel-mates when I was in Italy last year. They are cool people. Beautiful people. Beautiful language. Delicious food.

    Yes, January is far. You can take French in November at Alliance Francais. One problem with KU courses; they are 12 months long. Jan to Dec.


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    Dari - read- write- speak
    Pashto- read-write-speak
    urdu- read write(50 %)-speak
    English- read- write-speak
    Russian read-write-speak ( so far i am the first one in here who knows Russian)
    Some (arabic /turkish/spanish /punjabi )
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    Urdu - Read, write, speak
    Punjabi - Read, speak
    English- Read, write, speak
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    Quite impressive list some PPers have got...


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    Salaam

    Norwegian, Urdu & English
    Very little French, Arabic & Tamil. VERY little


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    Not many Punjabi speakers here??????

    im Punjabi..............but like most punjabis..............punjabi is mostly spoken.........rarely written or read it......

    English, Urdu, Punjabi, Hindi (speak)......read only's.....spanish and french and arabic and farsi

    understand Hindko a bit........

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    Me:
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    Can understand Hindi(all can)

    and i can hear all languages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anakwalajinn View Post
    Salaam

    Norwegian, Urdu & English
    Very little French, Arabic & Tamil. VERY little
    If you wanted to I presume you could pick up Danish and Swedish quite easily if you wanted to?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AfghanCricketFan View Post
    Dari - read- write- speak
    Pashto- read-write-speak
    urdu- read write(50 %)-speak
    English- read- write-speak
    Russian read-write-speak ( so far i am the first one in here who knows Russian)
    Some (arabic /turkish/spanish /punjabi )
    That is seriously impressive...

    How fluent is your Russian and how did you come to learn it if you dont mind me asking?...

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