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  1. #12801
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    Haha seems like our bowlers only stay in line when someone is giving phainty all the time like Sarfaraz was doing

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    SADIQ SPEAKS: SHOAIB MALIK COULD PROVE THE DIFFERENCE

    By Sajid Sadiq, Chief Editor, PakPassion

    In an interview in June 2014, a somewhat exasperated Shoaib Malik spoke about how he was not enjoying playing for Pakistan. The comments which sounded ominous were simply a reflection of his personal frustration at that time as the former Pakistan captain and well-respected all-rounder with an impressive international record was finding it difficult to re-establish himself in any Pakistan playing eleven.

    This was the year after the 2013 Champions Trophy debacle where Pakistan had ended at the bottom of the table and there was open opposition to Malik’s inclusion in any Pakistan ODI side in the future. And it appeared that the Sialkot-born all-rounder’s ODI career was all but over as he was ignored for selection completely in 2014. The only realistic way he could find himself serving Pakistan was by inclusion in the T20I side and there was a real danger that Shoaib Malik was on his way out.

    Many others would have taken the easy way out and thrown in the towel but Shoaib Malik possibly inspired by the success in international tennis of his wife Sania Mirza, continued to work his way through the Pakistan domestic system and by appearances in international leagues such as the Australian Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League and more recently in the Pakistan Super League.

    Whilst one could say that 2014 was Shoaib Malik’s annus horribilis, it was a testament to his longevity and hard-work that the following years would become his glory years and the rebirth of the all-rounder as a sure-selection in the Pakistan LOI sides was there for all to see. To those who doubted his resolve, it slowly became clear that the evergreen Pakistan player had no intentions to walk away from the game he had loved since 1999 when he first represented his country in an ODI against West Indies.

    Pakistan had always been blessed with immense cricketing talent, but the application of those qualities had sometimes been a problem. A calm and experienced professional like Shoaib Malik was exactly what the doctor had ordered for an excitable side like Pakistan. He has demonstrated those qualities on many occasions and was considered one of the driving forces in Pakistan’s Champions Trophy victory in 2017. This was a tournament where Pakistan came through after an opening embarrassing defeat against their arch-rivals, India, to win an unlikely title of one of ICC’s most prestigious tournaments and whilst Malik may not have been the star-performer during that summer in England, no one can doubt the clarity of thought he would have brought to the dressing room which eventually lead to the impressive victory.

    Pakistan’s ODI performance has been a mixed bag since the Champions Trophy victory in 2017, with the latest series loss to South Africa not exactly how they would have wanted their preparations to proceed for the upcoming World Cup in England. But the 37-year-old Shoaib Malik’s vast experience, in ODIs which includes 279 matches where he has scored over 7300 runs and taken 156 wickets, is something Pakistan will be looking at with great comfort to help guide them through the battle when it commences in England this summer.

    He may not set the world on fire with his batting and bowling these days but what Shoaib Malik offers to his side is an option they can rely on and an example of that was seen in the Asia Cup where his calm demeanour helped his side to a victory against Afghanistan when all appeared lost in a nerve-wracking run-chase. The same dependability came to Pakistan’s help when he had to step-in as captain when Sarfaraz Ahmed was withdrawn from the remaining part of the tour in South Africa after he was given a four-match ban by the ICC. The all-rounder calmly stepped into Sarfaraz’s shoes in the 4th ODI and lead his side to a series levelling victory which to many was just a confirmation of his many talents. His ability to guide the younger players in the squad and the comfort they derive from his presence in the team was visible for the rest of the series and should be an important factor for the upcoming games leading to the World Cup.

    Looking ahead to the World Cup in England, Shoaib Malik’s experience of playing previously in England will be crucial for Pakistan when they will come across the world’s top sides in their quest to win the most prestigious One-Day cricket title. Whilst he will not be captaining Pakistan, he will be one of the most trusted confidantes of Sarfaraz Ahmed during the World Cup campaign and who will look for support and wise advice from Shoaib Malik.

    Those who follow Pakistan cricket will be the first ones to point out that none of the World Cup games, whether against top tier teams like India or Australia or against the likes of Afghanistan at Emerald Headingley can ever be considered run of the mill affairs but the presence of a calm and measured approach as epitomised by Shoaib Malik’s presence could well be the difference between a shot at glory, or an embarrassing early exit from the tournament for the 1992 World Cup winners.

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    Malik has played very well today - against the World Champions no less.

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    Still does not make the best teams in the world on ability and what he has to offer. The best number 5 we have I guess.

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    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



    Malik's ODI record in England. I knew, it was bad but did not realize it was this bad!


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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



    Malik's ODI record in England. I knew, it was bad but did not realize it was this bad!


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    Well, at least he's starting to hit double digits a bit more consistently from his latest comeback in 2016 onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



    Malik's ODI record in England. I knew, it was bad but did not realize it was this bad!


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    Wow i am sure Amir averages more then him, but hey Mr Sarfaraz said he's our backbone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Well, at least he's starting to hit double digits a bit more consistently from his latest comeback in 2016 onwards.


    At this rate he should get into lower 20s ...... during this tour??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    ....but hey Mr Sarfaraz said he's our backbone.
    What else he is supposed to say? He will get his "you know what" fired from the team if he speaks the truth. He is just endorsing the squad he is given by Inzimam. Every captain has done that in the past!

    Real culprit is Inzimam..... who selected Malik, Hafeez and Imam.

    Hafeez and Malik were selected to make Imam look good.... and you watch, Imam will end up scoring a few runs more than Hafeez and Malik.... and our naive fans will believe that Imam was great selection because he scored more runs than Malik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    What else he is supposed to say? He will get his "you know what" fired from the team if he speaks the truth. He is just endorsing the squad he is given by Inzimam. Every captain has done that in the past!

    Real culprit is Inzimam..... who selected Malik, Hafeez and Imam.

    Hafeez and Malik were selected to make Imam look good.... and you watch, Imam will end up scoring a few runs more than Hafeez and Malik.... and our naive fans will believe that Imam was great selection because he scored more runs than Malik.
    That's fine then he should dropped him does inzimam force him to play him in the playing 11 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    That's fine then he should dropped him does inzimam force him to play him in the playing 11 too.
    Who should he play instead of Malik and Hafeez? Not enough batsmen selected in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



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    You forgot his 250 vs India at edgbaston..

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



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    @Saj

    Can't you forward this to Mickey or Inzamam?

    Surely the experience is useless if you're averaging 13 over across a decent sample size.

    Plus we have Hafeez & Sarfraz for experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    @Saj

    Can't you forward this to Mickey or Inzamam?

    Surely the experience is useless if you're averaging 13 over across a decent sample size.

    Plus we have Hafeez & Sarfraz for experience.
    I think, Pakistan team has a full time Cricket [Stats/data] Analyst working for the team management. I bet, they already know about this.

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    Statistics never tell the full story so I never base my opinion solely on them

    Malik will be playing the world cup so he needs to be supported and his performances need to be watched

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Who should he play instead of Malik and Hafeez? Not enough batsmen selected in the squad.
    For a start we haven't tried anyone in their potions. Secondly Sarfaraz has stated Hafeez will bat at 4 and Malik at 6, so you are telling me that haris is not better then these 2 jokers. According to sarfraz's selections means haris will be warming them bench while malik will be playing due to his excellent average of 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    For a start we haven't tried anyone in their potions. Secondly Sarfaraz has stated Hafeez will bat at 4 and Malik at 6, so you are telling me that haris is not better then these 2 jokers. According to sarfraz's selections means haris will be warming them bench while malik will be playing due to his excellent average of 13.
    I am sure Harris will be in starting 11 atleast to start with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    I am sure Harris will be in starting 11 atleast to start with
    According to sarfraz' teams i don't think so.

    4.Hafeez
    5.Sarfraz
    6.Malik

    This is the line up i don't see him starting.

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    Wow those numbers are dire.

    Churchill or some other fat racist once said “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.”.

    This would apply to a lot of cricketers today.


    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    England series and WC almost here.... time to bump this thread for good old time's sake!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    According to sarfraz' teams i don't think so.

    4.Hafeez
    5.Sarfraz
    6.Malik

    This is the line up i don't see him starting.
    I wont play Malik! I will play hafeez as he is a better all-rounder these days.

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    One of my childhood bosom friend is a stock broker - and he has made quite a good fortune out of it despite being a BCom fail ..... He told me once that the success of a stock broker doesn't lie in how good one can predict the stock prices (or market) or calculate the numbers, rather having the sixth sense to know when to stop (release raising stocks at hand).

    In cricketers' terms, equivalent is to know when to retire. After being in the wilderness for couple of years, Mian Malik made a grand return and he was arguably most reliable (& popular) PAK LO batsman for over 2 years. For such an average International career, his zenith came on 18th July 2017 - guy could have retired with the highest honor as a cricketer, on top of world, sadly his sixth sense didn't work.

    This is not 1980s or 1990s that cricketers like Malik needs to leach around International cricket for their cream & caviar - from PLs & SLs, still he could have earned lot for many years; could have joined sports media, can be part of caching staff in several T20 leagues or simply can start a safe business from savings. Guy did a great job with his Test career, but didn't take his chances for ODI and now he'll face his nemesis - a very unceremonious exit and most likely with a boo ............. his last memory in posters mind will be someone who had to be dragged out of misery; even Javed Miandad couldn't erase that, Mian Malik is no body in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifaqat View Post
    Statistics never tell the full story so I never base my opinion solely on them
    Stats tell most of the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rifaqat View Post
    Malik will be playing the world cup so he needs to be supported and his performances need to be watched
    Nobody is criticizing Malik. Everybody is criticizing Inzimam for selecting him.
    We all know what Malik is capable of ....it is just some fans fail to acknowledge that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    One of my childhood bosom friend is a stock broker - and he has made quite a good fortune out of it despite being a BCom fail ..... He told me once that the success of a stock broker doesn't lie in how good one can predict the stock prices (or market) or calculate the numbers, rather having the sixth sense to know when to stop (release raising stocks at hand).

    In cricketers' terms, equivalent is to know when to retire. After being in the wilderness for couple of years, Mian Malik made a grand return and he was arguably most reliable (& popular) PAK LO batsman for over 2 years. For such an average International career, his zenith came on 18th July 2017 - guy could have retired with the highest honor as a cricketer, on top of world, sadly his sixth sense didn't work.

    This is not 1980s or 1990s that cricketers like Malik needs to leach around International cricket for their cream & caviar - from PLs & SLs, still he could have earned lot for many years; could have joined sports media, can be part of caching staff in several T20 leagues or simply can start a safe business from savings. Guy did a great job with his Test career, but didn't take his chances for ODI and now he'll face his nemesis - a very unceremonious exit and most likely with a boo ............. his last memory in posters mind will be someone who had to be dragged out of misery; even Javed Miandad couldn't erase that, Mian Malik is no body in comparison.
    Good post....

    I do not blame any player for sticking around. I blame our clueless selectors.

    Having said that, he should not have been selected again in ODIs after he had that horrible run of failure under Misbah and Afridi. I beat those 3-5 ODI stats to death in this thread. But I guess, nobody in team management looked at those numbers!

    Well, right after 2015 WC (Misbah's retirement) he gets picked ..... and this is the record he has since. Horrible record against NZ, SAF and Eng.

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    Sad part is ... Malik was picked in 2015 after having this miserable run of 33 ODIs from 2009 to 2013..... under Misbah and Afridi....


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    So the question goes to selectors ...as to why was re-selected in 2015 after average of 18 and S/R of 68 in 33 ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Good post....

    I do not blame any player for sticking around. I blame our clueless selectors.

    Having said that, he should not have been selected again in ODIs after he had that horrible run of failure under Misbah and Afridi. I beat those 3-5 ODI stats to death in this thread. But I guess, nobody in team management looked at those numbers!

    Well, right after 2015 WC (Misbah's retirement) he gets picked ..... and this is the record he has since. Horrible record against NZ, SAF and Eng.

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    Sad part is ... Malik was picked in 2015 after having this miserable run of 33 ODIs from 2009 to 2013..... under Misbah and Afridi....


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    So the question goes to selectors ...as to why was re-selected in 2015 after average of 18 and S/R of 68 in 33 ODIs.
    Connections obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Good post....

    I do not blame any player for sticking around. I blame our clueless selectors.

    Having said that, he should not have been selected again in ODIs after he had that horrible run of failure under Misbah and Afridi. I beat those 3-5 ODI stats to death in this thread. But I guess, nobody in team management looked at those numbers!

    Well, right after 2015 WC (Misbah's retirement) he gets picked ..... and this is the record he has since. Horrible record against NZ, SAF and Eng.

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    Sad part is ... Malik was picked in 2015 after having this miserable run of 33 ODIs from 2009 to 2013..... under Misbah and Afridi....


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    So the question goes to selectors ...as to why was re-selected in 2015 after average of 18 and S/R of 68 in 33 ODIs.
    That’s blasphemy- you can’t point finger towards the pious man.

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    Poor decision to leave Shobby out of this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Poor decision to leave Shobby out of this team.
    Agree but these guys dont understand cricket


    By time they will understand it will be too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Poor decision to leave Shobby out of this team.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rifaqat View Post
    Agree but these guys dont understand cricket


    By time they will understand it will be too late
    Absolutely!!!

    If there is one thing we know for sure is that Shoaib is the greatest player of short bowling in our history. No brainer!

    Have any of you seen him play short bowling in England? Put's Viv to shame.

    Why don't we understand cricket?

    It's been 20 years!!! Borther Rifaqat when we understand?
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    Better luck next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    Absolutely!!!

    If there is one thing we know for sure is that Shoaib is the greatest player of short bowling in our history. No brainer!

    Have any of you seen him play short bowling in England? Put's Viv to shame.

    Why don't we understand cricket?

    It's been 20 years!!! Borther Rifaqat when we understand?
    He is still better than a lot of the other guys in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He is still better than a lot of the other guys in there.
    Based on?


    Better luck next time

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    Malik is awful against bounce, why are people acting as if he would be the saviour today.

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    He will play in this tournament.

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    19 years in international cricket and 161 pages of this thread still cant find a genuine reason to support walking wicket Malik he got out Cummins in a couple of deliveries back in Dubai in 2012 or 2014 and still same way dismissal does he know a thing about footwork


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    Thank you Inzi, Mickey and Sarfaraz for selecting and playing this ATG player. What would we ever do without his "experience"


    Mein inko rolaonga

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    Played a big part in today's loss. Nothing with the bat, bowled no balls with the ball which is criminal for a spinner and lethargic in the field. Thank you Malik.

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    Doesn't even seem interested. Keep him away for the rest of the tournament. An average team cant carry passengers.

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    Ok thanks for nothing please retire now.

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    Sarfaraz at the presser:

    "Shoaib bhai is a senior player, unfortunately he got out but he also contributes with the ball. OK, he isn't making many runs but he's our senior player and I am hopeful his experience will serve us well in upcoming matches. He has performed in the past, I am hopeful he can win Pakistan matches in the upcoming fixtures"


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    Tbf Shoaib Malik was one of the only players who didn't throw his wicket away. He just got out because he isn't good enough.


    They call me Harvey Specter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Sarfaraz at the presser:

    "Shoaib bhai is a senior player, unfortunately he got out but he also contributes with the ball. OK, he isn't making many runs but he's our senior player and I am hopeful his experience will serve us well in upcoming matches. He has performed in the past, I am hopeful he can win Pakistan matches in the upcoming fixtures"
    Surely, this is parody.


    Better luck next time


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    What a way to bookend probably the greatest cricketing career there has ever been.

    Going out the way he came in, in a blaze of glory.

    Every knee must bend, every head must bow and every tongue must confess, thou art the greatest...Shoaib Malik.

    All together now Hare Krishna’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    Surely, this is parody.
    Lol. Translation: he's rubbish but since he's aodler than me and I really dont want to get into any major controversy just yet, im going to play it safe"

    "what i'm thinking is: abay bekaar player hay kya kuroon. maseebat meray liyay. Mugur majborry hay bleep bleep bleep retire kyon nahin hota bleep.."

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    by the way his elegant stroke play and magnificent century yesterday was excellent..I ehar Rohit went to ask him for tips yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    What a way to bookend probably the greatest cricketing career there has ever been.

    Going out the way he came in, in a blaze of glory.

    Every knee must bend, every head must bow and every tongue must confess, thou art the greatest...Shoaib Malik.

    All together now Hare Krishna’s.
    Better than even Garry Sobers?

  45. #12845
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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    What a way to bookend probably the greatest cricketing career there has ever been.

    Going out the way he came in, in a blaze of glory.

    Every knee must bend, every head must bow and every tongue must confess, thou art the greatest...Shoaib Malik.

    All together now Hare Krishna’s.
    he had us all on tenterhooks with that sublime leave before he hit the 150th run yeasterday..what a player..legend..Ive asked my son to view videos of him so he can learn the art of batting..

  46. #12846
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifaqat View Post
    Agree but these guys dont understand cricket


    By time they will understand it will be too late
    Damn. I guess it’s too late


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    @Rifaqat you still haven’t replied to me here. When will it be too late friend? When will we understand cricket?

    Anyway, Malik is in the top 5 highest run scorers in this World Cup so I guess you were right. I believe he has 800 runs in the 3 games he’s played


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

  48. #12848
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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    @Rifaqat you still haven’t replied to me here. When will it be too late friend? When will we understand cricket?

    Anyway, Malik is in the top 5 highest run scorers in this World Cup so I guess you were right. I believe he has 800 runs in the 3 games he’s played
    Why are you excluding the runs he has scored whilst batting left-handed?

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    Done and dusted chapter finished finally or will the Phenom return


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    maybe the torture is finally over........

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    Never count Malik out. I guarantee we will see him play again in this WC... such is the magic of Pakistan cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakuGM View Post
    maybe the torture is finally over........
    The cancer will be around for the World T20


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    This should hopefully be the end for him after this Haris knock.

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    Thank you for 20 years of service to this country. Pakistan is a stronger team because you groomed the youngsters and were a good role model with some memorable wins.

    1999-2019.

    You will not be forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    The cancer will be around for the World T20
    I am scared of the same thing happening next year as the tourney is in Australia.

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    Hope he has played last international game for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I am scared of the same thing happening next year as the tourney is in Australia.
    I will not watch any Pakistan game if he is part of the team.

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    This victory is the nail in the coffin for his pathetic mediocre career. Good riddance.

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    The curse of Malik will finally end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Thank you for 20 years of service to this country. Pakistan is a stronger team because you groomed the youngsters and were a good role model with some memorable wins.

    1999-2019.

    You will not be forgotten.
    Forgotten?

    To initially remember something it first has to happen.

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    Goodbye


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    After today’s performance from Haris it is now curtains for malik.

    Even if we lose to Nz, he’s extremely unlikely to feature against AFG and BANG.


    Can’t put into words how happy I am I never ever have to watch him bat at international level. So happy!


    Also Imad scoring valuable runs and bowling economically, we can 100% say we won’t see Asif Ali again.

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    He had a good career

    He should’ve been selected for 2011 and 2015 world cups where he was in form

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    Forgotten?

    To initially remember something it first has to happen.
    The last flame from the 90's


    ya aenu chuk lay ya mainu aenu chukkan di taaqat day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He had a good career

    He should’ve been selected for 2011 and 2015 world cups where he was in form
    His career has been a tragedy and people often overlook the external factors that have weighed him down. He was never a world beater and he is not as bad people make him out to be.

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    I wouldn’t even take him to the World T20 . He is past his best. He has done a decent job for Pakistan but we have carried for him for 2 years too long. A limited player who has made the most of his limited ability, also had excellent fitness.

    Thanks for your service.

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    Hope this is the end off him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    His career has been a tragedy and people often overlook the external factors that have weighed him down. He was never a world beater and he is not as bad people make him out to be.
    I’m sure he is a bad person at all. It’s just that his time passed years ago and yet he’s still around.

    A lot of Pakistan cricketers have had external factors weighing them down so I don’t think Malik is anyone special in that regard.

    Even in his golden years in the mid to late 2000s he wasn’t that great he was simply good, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    His career has been a tragedy and people often overlook the external factors that have weighed him down. He was never a world beater and he is not as bad people make him out to be.
    Hes been worse Apart from minnow bashing and flat track bashing Hes been more often than not a liability in the team

    Someone whos tailenderish against pace movement or a little bit of bounce should never have madr a 20 year batting career in the middle order

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He had a good career

    He should’ve been selected for 2011 and 2015 world cups where he was in form
    Malik should have played in the 2011 world cup in one of his favourite hunting grounds India, Shoaibs last game before he was dropped was a score of 39 against India in the Asia cup game where Harbhajan Singh hit Shoaib Akhtar for a six to win the game for India. Malik also bowled 3-4 economic overs.
    Malik in India averages at over 40, Younis in India averages 25.

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    Malik was never a world beater, but I often feel that people forget or are unaware of the events and circumstances that have significantly shaped his career. Malik is no saint and he has made plenty of mistakes as well, but he has often been subjected to situations that were not within his control.

    He was initially drafted into the team as a replacement for Saqlain Mushtaq, who was starting to lose his touch because of the over-reliance on doosra and his dodgy knees. However, he quickly became the spare-part who was thrusted into any uncomfortable role that the seniors players did not wish to perform. When Pakistan had a mini crisis with the opening positions in 2001-2002, Malik was made to open for a few games because the likes of Inzamam and Yousaf were not willing in facing the new ball.

    Around 2004, with Yousuf moving to number 4 and Inzamam batting at number 5, Pakistan needed a number 3, and yet again, it was Malik who had to be dragged out of his comfort-zone. He did quite well, average over 40 and scored quite heavily against India.

    The 2006 seres vs India was the highlight, where he scored two 90's and a hundred. Around that time, Younis had revived his career in Tests and was scoring prolifically at number 3, so Inzamam and Woolmer decided to demote Malik again and promote Younis to number 3 in ODIs as well.

    2007 proved to be the beginning of the end for his chaotic career. After the death of Woolmer, Younis refused captaincy because he wasn't in the right frame of mind. With the likes of Yousuf, Afridi, Akhtar, Kamran etc. carrying too much baggage, Malik was chosen as the leader because of his quiet, unassuming personality and willingness to perform any role for the team whether he had the capability or not.

    He was a decent choice for ODIs and T20Is, but he should have never been made captain. He was simply not good enough to play Test cricket regularly, and it was a massive blunder by Naseem Ashraf, who himself wanted to resign after the World Cup.

    His appointment as captain did not go down well with the senior players whom he had bypassed. There was no team chemistry and he was unable to win their trust. The players were united under Inzamam who used religion as a tool to bond with the players, but Malik had nothing going for him. He was a utility player and younger than them as well. This is where PCB should have supported him better than they did. The combination of Lawson and Malik should have been allowed to work till the 2011 World Cup as far as Limited Overs are concerned.

    Pakistan cricket was a circus from 2007 to 2011. Malik, Younis, Yousaf, Afridi and Butt all had stints as captains before Misbah took over. The instability and the drama could have been avoided had (a) Younis not backed out at the last moment or (b) if Malik wasn't appointed as Test captain. Relationships were soured and players were at logger-heads with each other.

    The spot-fixing, the oath-gate, Ijaz Butt fighting slapping Younis and Yousaf with bans and having a fallout with Afridi, Afridi biting the ball etc. could have been avoided with a stable leader at the helm with the players respecting the hierarchy, which would have been achievable had PCB divided the captaincy between Malik (Limited Overs) and Younis (Tests) or simply forcing Younis to move on with the succession plan and accept the captaincy after the 2007 World Cup.

    In 2010-2011, Malik was in the form of his life in domestic cricket but he was not selected for the 2011 World Cup at the expense of Younis, who had no mileage left as a Limited Overs cricketer by that time. There is no doubt that Malik would have had a more prolific World Cup especially in those subcontinent conditions.

    2012 to 2014 were the darkest days of his career. His body language was terrible and he looked completely disinterested in playing for Pakistan. He was still doing well in T20 leagues around the world, but when he turned up for Pakistan, he looked like a corpse.

    It was obvious at that time that he was uninterested in being part of the same dressing room as the likes of Misbah, Younis and Afridi, and once they moved out of the way, he made a successful comeback to the team. Yes people can point out that in the last 4 years, he has only done well against the weaker sides, but he was struggling against them as well during 2012 to 2014. He was clearly not motivated to play for Pakistan.

    However, Malik has also made several mistakes in his career too. His first and foremost mistake was letting his bowling deteriorate to the point where he became a part-timer. When his doosra was banned in 2004, he was finished as a bowler. At that point, he should have worked harder on his game. He became a specialist batsman who could bowl a bit, but he was never going to bat at the level of Inzamam or Yousaf. Someone like Afridi could compensate his poor batting with his bowling, but Malik couldn't do that, even though he was a far better batsman than Afridi.

    His second major mistake was playing a negative role in the oath-gate. He may have had personal grievances with Younis, but he was a senior player at that point and he should have tried to put the dressing room on the same page instead of partaking in the mutiny against Younis.

    His third mistake was his complete disregard to turn up for Pakistan under Misbah's captaincy. Again, he may not have liked to be part of the same dressing room as Misbah, Younis and Afridi, but he was playing for Pakistan, not them. There is no excuse for his poor attitude during those years.

    People see Malik today as an underperforming, selfish senior who is hogging a spot and refuses to go away, but that doesn't do justice to his career at all. Now that his chapter appears to be closing for good, I feel it is important for people to understand the events that have had a big impact on derailing his career. I personally have a soft spot for him because no Pakistani player of his generation had his career effected so significantly by external factors as Malik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Malik was never a world beater, but I often feel that people forget or are unaware of the events and circumstances that have significantly shaped his career. Malik is no saint and he has made plenty of mistakes as well, but he has often been subjected to situations that were not within his control.

    He was initially drafted into the team as a replacement for Saqlain Mushtaq, who was starting to lose his touch because of the over-reliance on doosra and his dodgy knees. However, he quickly became the spare-part who was thrusted into any uncomfortable role that the seniors players did not wish to perform. When Pakistan had a mini crisis with the opening positions in 2001-2002, Malik was made to open for a few games because the likes of Inzamam and Yousaf were not willing in facing the new ball.

    Around 2004, with Yousuf moving to number 4 and Inzamam batting at number 5, Pakistan needed a number 3, and yet again, it was Malik who had to be dragged out of his comfort-zone. He did quite well, average over 40 and scored quite heavily against India.

    The 2006 seres vs India was the highlight, where he scored two 90's and a hundred. Around that time, Younis had revived his career in Tests and was scoring prolifically at number 3, so Inzamam and Woolmer decided to demote Malik again and promote Younis to number 3 in ODIs as well.

    2007 proved to be the beginning of the end for his chaotic career. After the death of Woolmer, Younis refused captaincy because he wasn't in the right frame of mind. With the likes of Yousuf, Afridi, Akhtar, Kamran etc. carrying too much baggage, Malik was chosen as the leader because of his quiet, unassuming personality and willingness to perform any role for the team whether he had the capability or not.

    He was a decent choice for ODIs and T20Is, but he should have never been made captain. He was simply not good enough to play Test cricket regularly, and it was a massive blunder by Naseem Ashraf, who himself wanted to resign after the World Cup.

    His appointment as captain did not go down well with the senior players whom he had bypassed. There was no team chemistry and he was unable to win their trust. The players were united under Inzamam who used religion as a tool to bond with the players, but Malik had nothing going for him. He was a utility player and younger than them as well. This is where PCB should have supported him better than they did. The combination of Lawson and Malik should have been allowed to work till the 2011 World Cup as far as Limited Overs are concerned.

    Pakistan cricket was a circus from 2007 to 2011. Malik, Younis, Yousaf, Afridi and Butt all had stints as captains before Misbah took over. The instability and the drama could have been avoided had (a) Younis not backed out at the last moment or (b) if Malik wasn't appointed as Test captain. Relationships were soured and players were at logger-heads with each other.

    The spot-fixing, the oath-gate, Ijaz Butt fighting slapping Younis and Yousaf with bans and having a fallout with Afridi, Afridi biting the ball etc. could have been avoided with a stable leader at the helm with the players respecting the hierarchy, which would have been achievable had PCB divided the captaincy between Malik (Limited Overs) and Younis (Tests) or simply forcing Younis to move on with the succession plan and accept the captaincy after the 2007 World Cup.

    In 2010-2011, Malik was in the form of his life in domestic cricket but he was not selected for the 2011 World Cup at the expense of Younis, who had no mileage left as a Limited Overs cricketer by that time. There is no doubt that Malik would have had a more prolific World Cup especially in those subcontinent conditions.

    2012 to 2014 were the darkest days of his career. His body language was terrible and he looked completely disinterested in playing for Pakistan. He was still doing well in T20 leagues around the world, but when he turned up for Pakistan, he looked like a corpse.

    It was obvious at that time that he was uninterested in being part of the same dressing room as the likes of Misbah, Younis and Afridi, and once they moved out of the way, he made a successful comeback to the team. Yes people can point out that in the last 4 years, he has only done well against the weaker sides, but he was struggling against them as well during 2012 to 2014. He was clearly not motivated to play for Pakistan.

    However, Malik has also made several mistakes in his career too. His first and foremost mistake was letting his bowling deteriorate to the point where he became a part-timer. When his doosra was banned in 2004, he was finished as a bowler. At that point, he should have worked harder on his game. He became a specialist batsman who could bowl a bit, but he was never going to bat at the level of Inzamam or Yousaf. Someone like Afridi could compensate his poor batting with his bowling, but Malik couldn't do that, even though he was a far better batsman than Afridi.

    His second major mistake was playing a negative role in the oath-gate. He may have had personal grievances with Younis, but he was a senior player at that point and he should have tried to put the dressing room on the same page instead of partaking in the mutiny against Younis.

    His third mistake was his complete disregard to turn up for Pakistan under Misbah's captaincy. Again, he may not have liked to be part of the same dressing room as Misbah, Younis and Afridi, but he was playing for Pakistan, not them. There is no excuse for his poor attitude during those years.

    People see Malik today as an underperforming, selfish senior who is hogging a spot and refuses to go away, but that doesn't do justice to his career at all. Now that his chapter appears to be closing for good, I feel it is important for people to understand the events that have had a big impact on derailing his career. I personally have a soft spot for him because no Pakistani player of his generation had his career effected so significantly by external factors as Malik.
    LOL.

    When's the movie coming out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Malik was never a world beater, but I often feel that people forget or are unaware of the events and circumstances that have significantly shaped his career. Malik is no saint and he has made plenty of mistakes as well, but he has often been subjected to situations that were not within his control.

    He was initially drafted into the team as a replacement for Saqlain Mushtaq, who was starting to lose his touch because of the over-reliance on doosra and his dodgy knees. However, he quickly became the spare-part who was thrusted into any uncomfortable role that the seniors players did not wish to perform. When Pakistan had a mini crisis with the opening positions in 2001-2002, Malik was made to open for a few games because the likes of Inzamam and Yousaf were not willing in facing the new ball.

    Around 2004, with Yousuf moving to number 4 and Inzamam batting at number 5, Pakistan needed a number 3, and yet again, it was Malik who had to be dragged out of his comfort-zone. He did quite well, average over 40 and scored quite heavily against India.

    The 2006 seres vs India was the highlight, where he scored two 90's and a hundred. Around that time, Younis had revived his career in Tests and was scoring prolifically at number 3, so Inzamam and Woolmer decided to demote Malik again and promote Younis to number 3 in ODIs as well.

    2007 proved to be the beginning of the end for his chaotic career. After the death of Woolmer, Younis refused captaincy because he wasn't in the right frame of mind. With the likes of Yousuf, Afridi, Akhtar, Kamran etc. carrying too much baggage, Malik was chosen as the leader because of his quiet, unassuming personality and willingness to perform any role for the team whether he had the capability or not.

    He was a decent choice for ODIs and T20Is, but he should have never been made captain. He was simply not good enough to play Test cricket regularly, and it was a massive blunder by Naseem Ashraf, who himself wanted to resign after the World Cup.

    His appointment as captain did not go down well with the senior players whom he had bypassed. There was no team chemistry and he was unable to win their trust. The players were united under Inzamam who used religion as a tool to bond with the players, but Malik had nothing going for him. He was a utility player and younger than them as well. This is where PCB should have supported him better than they did. The combination of Lawson and Malik should have been allowed to work till the 2011 World Cup as far as Limited Overs are concerned.

    Pakistan cricket was a circus from 2007 to 2011. Malik, Younis, Yousaf, Afridi and Butt all had stints as captains before Misbah took over. The instability and the drama could have been avoided had (a) Younis not backed out at the last moment or (b) if Malik wasn't appointed as Test captain. Relationships were soured and players were at logger-heads with each other.

    The spot-fixing, the oath-gate, Ijaz Butt fighting slapping Younis and Yousaf with bans and having a fallout with Afridi, Afridi biting the ball etc. could have been avoided with a stable leader at the helm with the players respecting the hierarchy, which would have been achievable had PCB divided the captaincy between Malik (Limited Overs) and Younis (Tests) or simply forcing Younis to move on with the succession plan and accept the captaincy after the 2007 World Cup.

    In 2010-2011, Malik was in the form of his life in domestic cricket but he was not selected for the 2011 World Cup at the expense of Younis, who had no mileage left as a Limited Overs cricketer by that time. There is no doubt that Malik would have had a more prolific World Cup especially in those subcontinent conditions.

    2012 to 2014 were the darkest days of his career. His body language was terrible and he looked completely disinterested in playing for Pakistan. He was still doing well in T20 leagues around the world, but when he turned up for Pakistan, he looked like a corpse.

    It was obvious at that time that he was uninterested in being part of the same dressing room as the likes of Misbah, Younis and Afridi, and once they moved out of the way, he made a successful comeback to the team. Yes people can point out that in the last 4 years, he has only done well against the weaker sides, but he was struggling against them as well during 2012 to 2014. He was clearly not motivated to play for Pakistan.

    However, Malik has also made several mistakes in his career too. His first and foremost mistake was letting his bowling deteriorate to the point where he became a part-timer. When his doosra was banned in 2004, he was finished as a bowler. At that point, he should have worked harder on his game. He became a specialist batsman who could bowl a bit, but he was never going to bat at the level of Inzamam or Yousaf. Someone like Afridi could compensate his poor batting with his bowling, but Malik couldn't do that, even though he was a far better batsman than Afridi.

    His second major mistake was playing a negative role in the oath-gate. He may have had personal grievances with Younis, but he was a senior player at that point and he should have tried to put the dressing room on the same page instead of partaking in the mutiny against Younis.

    His third mistake was his complete disregard to turn up for Pakistan under Misbah's captaincy. Again, he may not have liked to be part of the same dressing room as Misbah, Younis and Afridi, but he was playing for Pakistan, not them. There is no excuse for his poor attitude during those years.

    People see Malik today as an underperforming, selfish senior who is hogging a spot and refuses to go away, but that doesn't do justice to his career at all. Now that his chapter appears to be closing for good, I feel it is important for people to understand the events that have had a big impact on derailing his career. I personally have a soft spot for him because no Pakistani player of his generation had his career effected so significantly by external factors as Malik.
    Would love to see @miandadrules reply to this with a proper argument


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    Would pay for a @miandadrules @Mamoon debate here


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    He was always a mediocre player. His international career lasted 19 years longer than it should have. (Assuming he made his debut in 2000?)

    Please retire and don’t put on a Pakistan shirt again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrous View Post
    please.... The guy needs to disappear from the face of the Pakistan team for good
    10 years. 10 years and he's still here.

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    Hopefully we have seen the last of Mr shameless. Now let's hope he gets lost from the t20 side or gets kicked out. A shame for us that this awful batsmen has nearly played 300 odis for us.


    Malik please do us a favour and retire from t20. Enough of the dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Malik was never a world beater, but I often feel that people forget or are unaware of the events and circumstances that have significantly shaped his career. Malik is no saint and he has made plenty of mistakes as well, but he has often been subjected to situations that were not within his control.

    He was initially drafted into the team as a replacement for Saqlain Mushtaq, who was starting to lose his touch because of the over-reliance on doosra and his dodgy knees. However, he quickly became the spare-part who was thrusted into any uncomfortable role that the seniors players did not wish to perform. When Pakistan had a mini crisis with the opening positions in 2001-2002, Malik was made to open for a few games because the likes of Inzamam and Yousaf were not willing in facing the new ball.

    Around 2004, with Yousuf moving to number 4 and Inzamam batting at number 5, Pakistan needed a number 3, and yet again, it was Malik who had to be dragged out of his comfort-zone. He did quite well, average over 40 and scored quite heavily against India.

    The 2006 seres vs India was the highlight, where he scored two 90's and a hundred. Around that time, Younis had revived his career in Tests and was scoring prolifically at number 3, so Inzamam and Woolmer decided to demote Malik again and promote Younis to number 3 in ODIs as well.

    2007 proved to be the beginning of the end for his chaotic career. After the death of Woolmer, Younis refused captaincy because he wasn't in the right frame of mind. With the likes of Yousuf, Afridi, Akhtar, Kamran etc. carrying too much baggage, Malik was chosen as the leader because of his quiet, unassuming personality and willingness to perform any role for the team whether he had the capability or not.

    He was a decent choice for ODIs and T20Is, but he should have never been made captain. He was simply not good enough to play Test cricket regularly, and it was a massive blunder by Naseem Ashraf, who himself wanted to resign after the World Cup.

    His appointment as captain did not go down well with the senior players whom he had bypassed. There was no team chemistry and he was unable to win their trust. The players were united under Inzamam who used religion as a tool to bond with the players, but Malik had nothing going for him. He was a utility player and younger than them as well. This is where PCB should have supported him better than they did. The combination of Lawson and Malik should have been allowed to work till the 2011 World Cup as far as Limited Overs are concerned.

    Pakistan cricket was a circus from 2007 to 2011. Malik, Younis, Yousaf, Afridi and Butt all had stints as captains before Misbah took over. The instability and the drama could have been avoided had (a) Younis not backed out at the last moment or (b) if Malik wasn't appointed as Test captain. Relationships were soured and players were at logger-heads with each other.

    The spot-fixing, the oath-gate, Ijaz Butt fighting slapping Younis and Yousaf with bans and having a fallout with Afridi, Afridi biting the ball etc. could have been avoided with a stable leader at the helm with the players respecting the hierarchy, which would have been achievable had PCB divided the captaincy between Malik (Limited Overs) and Younis (Tests) or simply forcing Younis to move on with the succession plan and accept the captaincy after the 2007 World Cup.

    In 2010-2011, Malik was in the form of his life in domestic cricket but he was not selected for the 2011 World Cup at the expense of Younis, who had no mileage left as a Limited Overs cricketer by that time. There is no doubt that Malik would have had a more prolific World Cup especially in those subcontinent conditions.

    2012 to 2014 were the darkest days of his career. His body language was terrible and he looked completely disinterested in playing for Pakistan. He was still doing well in T20 leagues around the world, but when he turned up for Pakistan, he looked like a corpse.

    It was obvious at that time that he was uninterested in being part of the same dressing room as the likes of Misbah, Younis and Afridi, and once they moved out of the way, he made a successful comeback to the team. Yes people can point out that in the last 4 years, he has only done well against the weaker sides, but he was struggling against them as well during 2012 to 2014. He was clearly not motivated to play for Pakistan.

    However, Malik has also made several mistakes in his career too. His first and foremost mistake was letting his bowling deteriorate to the point where he became a part-timer. When his doosra was banned in 2004, he was finished as a bowler. At that point, he should have worked harder on his game. He became a specialist batsman who could bowl a bit, but he was never going to bat at the level of Inzamam or Yousaf. Someone like Afridi could compensate his poor batting with his bowling, but Malik couldn't do that, even though he was a far better batsman than Afridi.

    His second major mistake was playing a negative role in the oath-gate. He may have had personal grievances with Younis, but he was a senior player at that point and he should have tried to put the dressing room on the same page instead of partaking in the mutiny against Younis.

    His third mistake was his complete disregard to turn up for Pakistan under Misbah's captaincy. Again, he may not have liked to be part of the same dressing room as Misbah, Younis and Afridi, but he was playing for Pakistan, not them. There is no excuse for his poor attitude during those years.

    People see Malik today as an underperforming, selfish senior who is hogging a spot and refuses to go away, but that doesn't do justice to his career at all. Now that his chapter appears to be closing for good, I feel it is important for people to understand the events that have had a big impact on derailing his career. I personally have a soft spot for him because no Pakistani player of his generation had his career effected so significantly by external factors as Malik.
    Yeah yeah, Malik has always been a victim of PCB’s mismanagement and jobbing to senior players. A joke really. The fact is that Malik was bowling with an illegal action and his batting did not have the extra dimension needed for him to warrant playing until the age of 40. Had he been English, they would not pick him at the age of 33. Had he been in the bracket of Root and Pietersen, they would not pick him once he turns 36.

    Inzimam was done and dusted at the age of 36 for crying out loud! So what makes this guy feel like he can openly declare that the 2019 World Cup is his actual goal when he retired from Test Cricket?


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    To be fair he was a lot less shameless than younis who blackmailed his way into the ODI team for years and several world cups and NO ONE has a worse record then Selfish Khan as an ODI bat

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    To be fair he was a lot less shameless than younis who blackmailed his way into the ODI team for years and several world cups and NO ONE has a worse record then Selfish Khan as an ODI bat
    Malik has an inferior record against top 8.

    Younis at least was a stellar test player, Malik has been a nothing batsman across all formats.

    Not only has Malik been shameless, he's also been very troublesome figure in the dressing-rooms. Twice orchestrated revolts against national captains - Younis, and within months, Yousuf. Yousuf even publicly called out Malik as the main trouble in the dressing-room, which led to well-reported war of words between the two.


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