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'The Avengers' Indian Slum Scenes Draw Criticism
While the superhero film has opened well in India, members of the Indian film industry and others have expressed dismay about its slum scenes depicting Kolkata.
NEW DELHI - The opening scenes of The Avengers - showing Hulk's alter ego Dr. Bruce Banner in hiding in Kolkata's slums helping cure lepers - has faced some criticism in India. our editor recommends 'The Avengers' Mark Ruffalo Is the Latest Victim of Twitter Hacking Box Office Shocker: 'Avengers' Opens to Record-Shattering $200.3 Million “Kolkata has a rich culture and heritage, and a filmmaker should respect that. There are two scenes about India, and they only show slums," well-known Kolkata-based actor Rituparna Sengupta told the Hindustan Times. "It could have been done in better taste." The newspaper ran a story headlined, “Hulk's Slum Act Miffs Fans.” “It is disturbing to see the murky underbelly of India in Hollywood films," added Bollywood actress Neha Dhupia. "But before pointing it out to the West, we need to make efforts to change their perception about us.” The Indian slum scenes – recreated in New Mexico - have also attracted criticism from movie-goers quoted in the newspaper. “There is no reason to be happy about the Indian connection (in The Avengers). It has become a trend in the West to show Indian slums and a Westerner trying to help the poor here,” said a software professional, Nitin Bhatia. “When will Hollywood stop cashing in on the poverty here?” added a bank employee, Rishabh Bal. While The Avengers has opened well to mostly positive reviews, leading newsmagazine Outlook pointed to a minor casting issue in its review of the film. “Never mind that the ragged Indian child shown in the Kolkata slums spoke to Bruce Banner in Hindi with a thick American accent,” it wrote. As previously reported, The Avengers' Hindi dubbed version includes a specially recorded song, “Hello Andheron” (Hello Darkness), by Indian band Agnee. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...llywood-320792 |
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![]() The reality is Hollywood cannot escape the poverty in India cos it's so widespread. Why oh why are Indians hell-bent on covering up the truth behind India? Last edited by Namak_Halaal; 11th May 2012 at 21:34. |
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You get slums shown in other countries as well and not just India. Brazil is another country country whose slums were made famous largely thanks to the film "City of God" (great film btw). Slums should be exposed so that respective governments are embarrassed are are therefore made to do something about them.
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Slumdog millionaire garnered a similar response from the indians, i wonder why the slums make them so uncomfortable when its part of life in india
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Why do a lot of indians get all upset when the underbelly of their cities is shown?
I guess theyd like only the glitz and glamour side to be potrayed to the world but if they dont like it why not do something about it other than moan?
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I won't bring in the fact that the stars of the films are usually far whiter than most Indians in real life because that's probably touching on another aspect of low self esteem but there's probably linkage. |
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All Khans are not white...hrithik roshans and bachans..and kumars...nobody is white.. even heroines..deepika padukon,kajol,rani,priyanka chopra,asin..and even few white are indian white..likes of zinta,ash...katrina being exception the very fact that you associated inferiority complex to precense of a few fair skinned people speaks about your complex I guess... Last edited by IgnitedMind; 12th May 2012 at 16:04. |
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Touchy touchy....
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LOl, a random news report...from the last week or so...my news feed in FB is filled with avengers..and I have around 700 to 800 indian friends in fb...that is 95% of my friends in fb..and never did I hear anything about....never there was news anywhere..so a random articles pops up..and people start generalizing !!!
People who celebrated slumdog's success outnumber the people who detested it by atleast 5 to 6 teams in India.... talk about generalizations.. |
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Forget that, it was a good movie, but it distinctly lacked one major thing.
More screen time for Gwyneth Paltrow's Pepper Potts. That's almost criminal that she was in there for only a few minutes in the entire movie. She's excellent! (And crazy beautiful!) My girlfriend loved Mark Ruffalo though, I honestly thought she'd have liked Captain America over Hulk! |
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You have the IPL.
You have the slums. In the same country, how? |
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Every Country has slums...India is still developing country...Why do some people want to see it with a prism of a developed country..and suddenly act as if people never knew India has slums..India always had slums...its the other side of India is what that is new to Indians and to the world...and that part of India is developing fast..and is dragging the middle class with it evident by change of middle class lives in India in last decade.....and India will continue to have slums and IPL and reliance all at the same time for the next 50 to 60 yrs..and hopefully with the extent of poverty decreasing each year.. |
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didnt they subsitute bangkok for mumbai in MI:5?
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Some middle class Indians, and some in Bollywood have very low self esteem.
Some were confused whether to hate Slumdog Millionaire or to celebrate the Oscar success. Same with Pather Panchali by Satyajit Ray. People protested the show of poverty, but when he won the Oscars he became a national hero. They always want affirmation from the West to feel good about themselves. Typical inferiority complex. |
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Many movies have been made in India on evils in india..and there has been no major protest by anybody... |
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Seems I found one on this thread.
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I Like slum dog from the day I saw it..and I am happy about the oscars it got.. btw..which Indian protested...traffic signal, for that matter Peepli live....or Salaam Bombay..or numerous other movies on bad things on India..?? |
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Why are you defending yourself. I just talked about some Indians. Traffic Signal, Peepli Live are different, because they are made by Indians for Indians. It is when it goes to Western Audience that people have problem. Many in Bollywood were against Slumdog. Google it. Pather Panchali had objection from WB and Indian Govt when it was going to Cannes. |
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when you visit india the extreme poverty tends to hit you in the face , it just seems more visible maybe its the large population , these are the words of an indian.
Zooming on the slippery-smooth Lahore avenues made a Delhi person like me miss the traffic-light beggars and their street-smart street children. There were no slums. There were no homeless people living under plastic sheet awnings. There were no living skeletons scavenging rotten food from the garbage dumps. There were no drug addicts in the dark alleys snorting hashish and cocaine. There were no transvestite sex workers soliciting truck drivers. It was so unlike Delhi. There were not even cows to be seen! But of course, all the holy cows must have been eaten up by the beef-eating citizens of this holy land. Read more: http://blogcritics.org/culture/artic...#ixzz1ubgAF68K And Delhi is considered one of the cleaner cities in india , surely if thats how the capital city is, doesnt say much for the rest of the country . Last edited by ethan hunt; 11th May 2012 at 23:32. |
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Just bcos some of us take a little more pride about where we come from , dosent necessarily mean we think everything is right about India or Indians .
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My post was for those Indians who are insecure, why would take that personally? |
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if you dont want responses , start talking only for yourself .
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Why so insecure? ![]() N_H has kept me busy, so might reply late.
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Problem that I have with India's economy is that the rich keep getting richer, while the poor keep getting poorer (sorry for the cliché). The middle-class is shrinking and to top it all of, the social issues are really harmful.
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With more and more people educated..more and more companies coming up...people have more chance than they ever had in india's history to make a good living for themselves.. ofcourse...the poor are in very bad shape....like in any developing country |
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You are describing most nations with that quote my friend. I can say the same thing for countries in the west.
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Why would they feel bad about that? It's a reality of India or are people who live in the slums from another planet?
@ Indians who are getting frustrated at that.
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And If you look at the people quoted in the article..
Rituparna did not deny slums exist...she only said that hollywood always shows negative aspects of India... Neha Dhupia..we should work harder to change their perception..which is true as well.. aven the other guy said..there is two india's...and hollywood always cashes on the poverty which is also true... India in hollywood films is mostly about slums..and then slums and then slums..and then call centers...and then curry... |
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This mentality is not limited to any nationality. Inferiority complex has no boundaries.
During WC, Bangladesh paid money to remove their beggars from the streets. During CommonWealth games in India, slums were cleared before the Games began. Even China, during Olympics, used a pretty girl to lip sync, because the real singer did not look pretty. Last edited by insaan; 11th May 2012 at 23:37. |
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but that chinese one was cheap!! Last edited by IgnitedMind; 11th May 2012 at 23:44. |
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Slumdwellers were treated like cattle during the CWG games. There were forced relocations and homeless shelters were closed. I don't want a show at the cost of my countrymen. |
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Now this is a different issue...we never treated the poor with respect....and we suck in giving respect to anybody below us...either in poverty or at a work place..there is no dignity of labor..and it is absolute hell of a place to live f your **** poor...with no body helping you while rich and middle class doing what they do... I completely agree with this post of yours.....and we should learn a great deal from westerners on how respect humans.. Last edited by IgnitedMind; 11th May 2012 at 23:55. |
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My retarded countrymen.
![]() I get upset as well watching that stuff on foreign channels and movies but i would vent my anger on my own corrupt countrymen rather than these movie makers who have made such a fantastic film that Bollywood will not be able to make for decades.
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Brilliant priciple! All PPers should take note. |
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Off-topic:
What is the storyline of the film.
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People draw so much conclusion from an article. Lol.
How many interviews did the report take? 1, 2, or 3? Someone said something and it is portrayed as billions of people think same way. Then comes inferiority complex calling.... Slum in india (or any country) is a truth and no indians are deluded enough to disagree it having been watching poor people in day to day life. . These reports are just e! - news. Should be given same importance as jennifer aniston getting a nose job.
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![]() Heck of a stunning movie bhai, must watch.
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well there's a reason why bollywood shoot their films outside of india
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![]() I am embarrassed.
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In india, actors will be interven by their families in work, less responsible, and hard to manage. Films have a strict schedule. If you can't maintain it, the cost will become twice, thrice of original budget and producers will be reluctant to invest more analyzing the progress. Just take your group to outside india, they won't be creating so much hassle.
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Nav123 : Do you think a Bollywood movie on the reality of India staring A-listers would sell in India?
I remember reading the article you posted on Amir Khan's new show focusing on the real India but the show was not a success? Don’t get me wrong, I think Movies in general serve as escapism, and I love them, but sometimes movies can and do bring certain issues to light. |
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.....There are a few bollywood movies which have dealt with issues..but usually not from A-listers.. |
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Dont worry writer/director J.P Dutta is working on a script to make Indian Avengers which will expose the Americans lies about Indian poverty.
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I think its good that few are embarrassed instead of meekly accepting yes we are like that we should work to develop our country.
So it is good that Indians are getting upset. Lol at some people taking pot shot at poor people and their living place(Slum), they must have thought all developed countries are developed overnight. |
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No one claimed a country develops over night, but India has had a head-start long before other developed nations in this world. Well before 350 year British rule. When you have a country that judges people based on their caste, what chance do the poor have? Zilch. |
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All the countries were doing great before British arrived ..May be as kingdoms individually...but still..and then we had to start from a bad position 60 yrs ago... Even for America with all intellectual people come into..it took a while to become a prosperous nation after its independende.... now what can a nation with 1.2 billion people(1/6th of the globe consisting of 190 odd countries with very lesser resources than it had thanks to british , poverty, caste system do in 60 yrs?????? I say India has actually done decently..and then we have corrupted population too...in 60 yrs..we are generating considerable noise....and now we can pick on poverty and slums....but they were always there....thats the way it has...but its other things that have changed..very fact that people want to point towards poverty as a point against is a reason that we have improved...not long ago..nobody had a need to...because thats all india was about in the news.. |
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though doubt all our super-heroes will agree to share the screen.
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Sunny paaji ought to be the leader !
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What would be pakistani reaction when in every movie they show only terroist camps ?
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Sunny Paaji is the baap of all avengers...and then we have Rajnikanth too ..they will do to hulk what hulk did it to loki..
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I think when you vote in the next election demand things from your representative or if you are in position of power think of innovative ways on how to develop and rescue people out of poverty. Let us worry about our country shall we? @Others: GOI is doing things to uplift the people but corruption is rife hence the slow-down of process. Negative perception exists about Slums in International community, it won't go away with some advertisement or simply hiding it under the carpet. We got to live with it at-least for a decade or two until most of our countrymen is uplifted. |
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Don't get so touchy friend. I don't have any ulterior motive, I'm just stating what is fairly common knowledge. Which I'm sure you are well aware of in any case.
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We shall add Mr. India too.... he will confuse the heck out of villians due to invisibility !!!
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Indian Avengers would really be epic and I'm serious!!!
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The issue is, yes india has slums but it has so many other beautiful things to offer too. Its annoying that hollywood type cast the country to be full of slums and influence movie goers.
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Not correct with numbers....but I think 30 odd % live in poverty..and then a portion of them live in slums.. What about the Indian middle class whose population is probably more double few countries..and then..people from above middle class and higher.... There are slums in India..no doubt...there is poverty....but seriously...India is not just about poverty anymore...and we have improved a lot since erly 1990's..... |
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Ironic since all Bollywood does is project Pakistanis as a bunch of terrorists and then cry foul when they're depicted negatively in Hollywood
Time for them to get a life
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I definitely dont see India being projected negatively here. International films like the Avengers are really pushing for markets like India. If anything I can guarantee 90% of the Indian audiences that saw the movie are actually flatter to see their country in the film.
I saw the movie...what poverty exactly? Dr Banner was a doctor for a scene then ran away and was in a discussion with the Black Widow. At the end of the movie there was another "India" scene showing some guys getting a Tony Stark gotee. I.e. the Avengers are international heros not just Americans. Also I know movies like Mission Impossible premiered in India as well Avengers was in India before the US. I presume any dislike is from hypersensitive Indians that have most likely not even seen the movie. There is poverty in India no doubt so only allowing filming on the Infosys campuses is not indicitive of the country neither as all slums. |
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Where else is Dr David Bruce Banner going to be plying his trade? In a large modern hospital in Mumbai?
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How's the slum situation btw in metro cities in India right now? Went to Delhi little while ago and the old places are still full of poor people living in pathetic conditions. I wouldn't have seen it if i had gone by car. I took Shatabdi train from Chandigarh and the scenes i saw on my way around rail lines were
![]() Here in Chandigarh, they have been allotted upgraded colonies. But they are still idiots,whatever the government does for them they still cheat and make it worse. When govt built it, it looked quite good. All clean and organized. Spacious as well. Now after a few years, they have done so much damage to the property. This sector comes in my way when i am going to PCA stadium, Mohali. ![]()
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^^^^ Not Good...
Expecially the site of the huge slums you see while you are landing in Bombay..... From what I have seen I have only seen Improvement in Bangalore and Hyderabad in terms of slums decreasing..Chennai,Bombay are as bad they always were in terms of slums |
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