'Bhangi' jobs for Pakistan Minorities

[Naraku]

KARACHI: Asif Ghani Masih starts his day by sweeping the dusty corridors of the Sindh Secretariat. As the day progresses, he scrubs dirty toilets and empties dustbins, tasks that are part of his day job as a sanitation worker.



In the evening, however, the 27-year-old becomes a neatly dressed student, who attends classes for a Bachelor’s degree; the tasks of the day shelved away as he scribbles notes. At school, he had often dreamt of being an engineer.

“I was hoping that my education would be enough to land me a decent desk job,” says Masih, as he sits in his modest house in Old Golimar. “But when the list came out I was shocked to see myself appointed as a sanitary worker in the finance department.” His eyes fill with tears as he remembers the day. “It hurts to be called a bhangi [sanitation worker],” he adds.

At the Sindh law department, a Hindu employee, who spoke on condition of anonymity fearing his dismissal from service, said he had completed a college degree but is suffering due to his different beliefs.

“This is what the poor and minorities get for educating themselves,” he said. “We are suffering because of our faith.” He does not plan to spend money on educating his child, as he believes that won’t help him get a decent job in the end. The sanitary worker had got the job on minority quota after he asked for help from his community’s political representatives.

“It is sad that uneducated Muslims are appointed as clerks and cannot even write their names, but we are cleaning trash.”


http://tribune.com.pk/story/405518/f...ary-work-only/


Pakistani Minorities: Constitutionally second-class citizens in an Apartheid State.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants

on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

[Naraku]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

sorry, but being from the Minority community of Pakistan, this is close to my heart, and reading this article made me really sad.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Naraku sorry, but being from the Minority community of Pakistan, this is close to my heart, and reading this article made me really sad.

Which community are you from? You never say, not ashamed are you?

The majority in Pakistan are suffering today. It's not like they are flourishing into millionaires while the minorities are the only ones sweeping roads.

I drove past an area in Islamabad where Christians had set up shacks illegally, a few years later they were still there. Some American human rights org lobbied the government not to remove them. They now are free to live on land worth a lot of money, these people don't complain about their rights anymore.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC Which community are you from? You never say, not ashamed are you? The majority in Pakistan are suffering today. It's not like they are flourishing into millionaires while the minorities are the only ones sweeping roads. I drove past an area in Islamabad where Christians had set up shacks illegally, a few years later they were still there. Some American human rights org lobbied the government not to remove them. They now are free to live on land worth a lot of money, these people don't complain about their rights anymore.

he wont answer, or he'll surf the net and create a fake narrative..I await the enxt thread now since his job is done in this one..wonder what the next one will be about??

[Myrmidon]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

posting reality does not make him anti pak or anti muslim



theres a difference between blatant blasphemy and highlighting the plight of certain people due to the narrow mindedness and down right disgraceful nature of most people in pakistan

sorry to hear about your problems naraku, but there are still good people in that country

rare but still they are there

[Down2Earth]

Originally Posted by Myrmidon posting reality does not make him anti pak or anti muslim theres a difference between blatant blasphemy and highlighting the plight of certain people due to the narrow mindedness and down right disgraceful nature of most people in pakistan sorry to hear about your problems naraku, but there are still good people in that country rare but still they are there

an afghan talking about the nature of pakistani people? is this post meant to be a joke?

[Myrmidon]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth an afghan talking about the nature of pakistani people? is this post meant to be a joke?

haha im pakistani born and so are my entire family i just love afghanistan too

u mad?

iv seen your nature quite evidently based on some posts so please cut the horse crap and holier than thou ploy

and hence only somebody like you would actually deny the mistreatment of minorities/ethnicity and various sects in pakistan

funnily enough your one of them people who label all afghans as crimelords who should be sent back, so that post of yours is just contradictory

[QazzarFan]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

why attack the poster for posting the truth? Hypocrisy run amok...don't see you attacking other posters when they reveal mistreatment of Muslims in non-muslim countries...and why bring other countries in this? How does that improve Pakistan's image? are you implying other neighboring countries treat their minorities worse so it's not so bad in Pakistan?

[humzy]

I've stayed in Punjab and have personally witnessed discrimination against Pathans. I can only imagine how bad it would be for Hindus

[tanzeel]

Originally Posted by humzy I've stayed in Punjab and have personally witnessed discrimination against Pathans. I can only imagine how bad it would be for Hindus

That is a very Lahore specific issue. Never witnessed/experienced it anywhere else in Punjab.

With Hindus it might be different since religion is a bigger deal in Punjab than in any of the other provinces and the intolerant, militant form of it is more prevalent in Punjab than elsewhere although its primarily limited to South Punjab with Faisalabad being the only seriously intolerant city in Northern Punjab.

[Myrmidon]

Originally Posted by tanzeel That is a very Lahore specific issue. Never witnessed/experienced it anywhere else in Punjab. With Hindus it might be different since religion is a bigger deal in Punjab than in any of the other provinces and the intolerant, militant form of it is more prevalent in Punjab than elsewhere although its primarily limited to South Punjab with Faisalabad being the only seriously intolerant city in Northern Punjab.

lahore-sialkot and surrounding areas

islamabad and rawalpindi are pleasant

you are right

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by QazzarFan why attack the poster for posting the truth? Hypocrisy run amok...don't see you attacking other posters when they reveal mistreatment of Muslims in non-muslim countries...and why bring other countries in this? How does that improve Pakistan's image? are you implying other neighboring countries treat their minorities worse so it's not so bad in Pakistan?

Nothing wrong with posting topics about mistreatment of minorities whatever the nationality if it's done out of genuine concern for the minorities rather than nationalistic point scoring which let's face it, is 95% of the time on boards like this.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat Nothing wrong with posting topics about mistreatment of minorities whatever the nationality if it's done out of genuine concern for the minorities rather than nationalistic point scoring which let's face it, is 95% of the time on boards like this.

Re-posting to re-iterate my view in case anyone is mistaken.

Please carry on with the India/Pakistan wallowing in crap threads if you feel it is constructive. Personally having witnessed a decade of flame wars on the internet between people who don't have anything better to do I can't be bothered.

[ahamedirshad123]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

Why do you bring India in this topic? We, Muslims, are minorities here in India. We don't do such jobs. Ok?

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by ahamedirshad123 Why do you bring India in this topic?

Its odd. Many Indian posters do this too when India is criticised.

It seems many people from our countries like to bring up the rivalry whenever they can

[Liverpoolred]

I'm sorry to hear this Naraku.

Every citizen should have equal rights.

[Sherazkhalid]

Originally Posted by Liverpoolred I'm sorry to hear this Naraku. Every citizen should have equal rights.

Plus one, ability and talent should trump beliefs

[Down2Earth]

most countries fail to look after the minority

[UP]

Erm, but minorities have all the rights in Pakistan and Pakistan is good for minorities :kkwc

[chacha kashmiri]

Alternative media via the Internet is having a huge impact by connecting and providing up-to- date information on issues of social concern. In order to create a handy database of human rights violations and challenge repressive social norms such as the caste system and patriarchy, civil society organisations and those born out of progressive social movements have launched web sites collating atrocities against women, children and dalits.

India is the fourth most dangerous country in the world for women, says the recent Trust Law Women Poll. About 213 gender experts from five continents evaluated countries on the parameters of health, sexual violence, discrimination, cultural, trafficking, non-sexual violence and access to resources. The top three countries deemed to be most dangerous by the poll are Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan - affected by political and social uncertainties. The poll indicated, quoting former Home Secretary, Madhukar Gupta, that in India around 100 million people, largely women and girls were victims of trafficking. It also said that up to 50 million girls ‘disappeared’ either due to infanticide or female foeticide. And, about 44.5 per cent of girls below the age of 18 years were married off.

There’s a similar trajectory on the dalits as well: 27 atrocities are committed against dalits every day; 13 dalits murdered every week; five dalits’ homes or possessions burnt every week; sexual assault (rape) on three dalit women every day, according to National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights.


http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle3613702.ece

[akheR]

The Christians in Punjab, Pakistan are generally from lower-castes converts, when they aren't, like the late Shahbaz Bhatti (a Rajput as his name indicates), they can enter politics and be influental, as Shahbaz probably never had to do such jobs, considering his Army background.

Whereas the Hindus of Sindh are, too, Dalits - the "middle class" Sindh went to India at the Partition, the likes of LK Advani or Esha Deol's hubby.
But the poorest Sindhi Hindus, the Dalits, remained there, suffering from a double alienation : not only being Hindu, but being Dalit too.
In fact in Sindh there are also non-Sindhi Hindus, the tribals, like the Bhils, etc and for them that's the worst : Hindu, Dalit and non-Sindhi - total jackpot. I think they actually live isolated somewhere in the interior Sindh...

So, in both provinces it's obviously a religious discrimination problem, but it's heavily accentuated by the "low castes" of these peoples.

[Looney]

It is the mentality there , in general . If you are corrupt to the core but are rich , people will treat you with respect . The poor , Muslim or not , will be treated like dirt .

[saeedhk]

Feel sorry for the minorities in Pakistan.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by Naraku sorry, but being from the Minority community of Pakistan, this is close to my heart, and reading this article made me really sad.

What is your background? You post a lot of stuff without revealing stuff about yourself.

[the Great Khan]

Loads of muslims also sweep roads..its not exclusively a job for minorities..things cant change when a country is lead by the corrupt..apartheid? No..discrimination? Yes..

[PakistanPaindabad]

Every Pakistani is discriminated against by the few. Christians are not the only ones suffering, so are the sunnis, shias, hindus, and every other Pakistani. Everyone is suffering, its just christians are the minorities so its highlighted (and rightly so).

I am all for minority rights, but if someone has cancer, the backache becomes secondary. I hope and pray that this country rises and proves its worth for all communities, and sects that reside in it. and that we are prosperous together.

I see that change coming, we all need to work together to make that happen..We are all from the same country, so each and every one needs to put our share in to make it a better place for all of us..

[RexRex]

Does Pakistan have affirmative action programmes for it's minorites ?

[aashiqmizaaj]

Originally Posted by RexRex Does Pakistan have affirmative action programmes for it's minorites ?

It's not as if Pakistan is doing a great job of creating jobs for the majority population.

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by UP Erm, but minorities have all the rights in Pakistan and Pakistan is good for minorities :kkwc

Delete

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan naraku back with his daily dose of anti mislim pak rants on the topic .. sad incident ...minoritys have always been mistreated in indo-pak ....this reminds me of tretment of dalits in india

I would normally say this but this thread is the first thread from naraku that isn't complete BS .

[the Great Khan]

In Pakistan everyone is screwed except zardari and his cronies!!

[AFG_Brit]

When i was in pakistan i noticed that all the street sweepers and rubbish collectors ( whom i came across) were from christian community. I never enquired about it then but it would be good to know now as it is being talked about in this thread.


Can anyone please give more info on this?

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by AFG_Brit When i was in pakistan i noticed that all the street sweepers and rubbish collectors ( whom i came across) were from christian community. I never enquired about it then but it would be good to know now as it is being talked about in this thread. Can anyone please give more info on this?

yes they do make up large parts of this area but it is still dominated by non christians. Look I think its safe to say that the country has massive problems, but without the proper leadership we cant even get the electricity going , how can we even get to minority rights?

the govt cant turn on the taps, get the gas going, electricity and these are basic functions that every citizen can benefit from. Forget minority rights, everyone is a minority in Pakistan if you have no money, access to the law, rights, electricity etc..

its not even about incompetence, its s imply an unwillingness from zardari and co to do anything..they dont care!

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by AFG_Brit When i was in pakistan i noticed that all the street sweepers and rubbish collectors ( whom i came across) were from christian community. I never enquired about it then but it would be good to know now as it is being talked about in this thread. Can anyone please give more info on this?

There are lot of christian doing white collar jobs in Pakistan, specially in big cities. These christians have educated backgrounds and have Goa/Portugeese connections. Lot of them are employed in teaching professions.

Custodian jobs are usually done by christians with punjabi backgrounds. They are mostly pre-partition converts by missionaries in subcontinent during british rule. They were mostly low caste dalits but some muslims were also converted. These sweeper/bangi jobs is kinda family occupation as it transfers from generation to generation. Plus these guys get govt. jobs with pensions. In short, they are not forced to do this sweeping/bangi jobs. Either they choose this profession themselves as a family tradition or forced by family members.

[Cricfan4eva]

The situation is worse in this part of the world. The reason minorities are so backward is because the majority itself is suffering at the hands of corrupt government. I doubt the situation is any different in any South Asian country.

[youboy]

Pakistanis and the religious minorities of Pakistan

By Abdul Malik Mujahid

There was a time when we never locked the doors of our homes in Pakistan. That is now history. Since Pakistan's support for Afghan Mujahideen against the former Soviet Union, criminal elements in Pakistan are better armed than police in Pakistan. Our almost porous borders with India, Afghanistan, and Iran have been another source of smuggled arms. These arms are not only used for crimes, but also to subjugate the poor and the oppressed, as well as in political competition and sectarian violence. The latest victims of violence are the Christian minority of Pakistan.

Since the development of a coalition of major religious political parties in Pakistan resulting in the MMA (Muttahida Majlis-e-amal), which includes Shias, Deobandis, Barelvis and Jamat-e-Islami, sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis has subsided substantially. This correlation may be accidental, but certainly noticeable. This is not to say that all Shias and Sunnis approved of this sectarian violence. To the contrary, whenever any Shia or Sunni was killed during these or in other random killings, their funeral prayers were attended by members of both groups. Many observers, therefore, asserted that it was not a sectarian fight, but some anti-Pakistan elements that were using violence for their purposes. Unfortunately, violence against Christian minorities has now taken the place of sectarian violence.

Putting guards at the doors of churches is not enough. The criminals must be arrested and punished through due process of the law. It is good that all Pakistanis, including religious organizations, have condemned these attacks. The religious groups, however, should play an active role in protecting Christian minorities in Pakistan through dialogue with the small, extremist, fringe groups whose speeches have been linked to the killing of Christians in Pakistan. The whole body of the Quran and the path of the Prophet will be in support of mainstream religious organizations who work to defeat the street ideology of anger among these fringe groups, who consider such violence legitimate in their theology.

Although Christians in Pakistan accepted Christianity because of the influence of western missionaries, their lives cannot be taken as a proxy to unleash one's anger towards the West. It is against Islam and the laws of Pakistan to kill anyone, including a member of a religious minority. These killings also play right into the hands of those extremists in the West, who use such incidents to fuel enmity against Islam and Pakistanis.

Pakistanis have set a beautiful example of religious tolerance in the aftermath of Gujurat, India's violence last year when over 500 Masjids were destroyed, over 5,000 Muslims killed, and over 250,000 Muslims were made refugees. Not a single Hindu temple in Pakistan was destroyed, and there was no report of retaliations against Hindus. The Hindu minority is well represented in all professional spheres of life compared to the Muslim minority in India. That is why when the daily Hindustan Times, Delhi, India published a full-page cover report in their Sunday issue on the surprising findings of a Indian journalist about the good treatment of the Hindu minority in Pakistan. The issue was withdrawn from the market and the editor Khuswant Singh lost his job.

Most Pakistani-Christians were untouchables living under the Hindu caste system. They accepted Christianity because of their desire to leave the shackles of their caste system and because of the extensive support provided to them by Christian missionaries to get out of Hindu caste system. Those ex-Untouchables are now moving away from their historic professions of being bhangi and sweepers to teachers, government employees, etc. Most of the nurses at Aga Khan Hospital in Karachi, one of the largest hospital in Pakistan, are Christians who used to be untouchables.

It is the duty of all Pakistanis, individuals and their organizations, to think about how they can enhance the life and security of all Pakistanis, including Christians. We should not allow a few extremists who have no knowledge of Islam to jeopardise the law and order situation in Pakistan. Those extremists should not be allowed to create terror in the minds of the minorities in Pakistan, who are given protection by Islam and by the Law of Pakistan.

Let me just quote the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, who allowed a Christian delegation from Najran to celebrate and worship in his own mosque, according to historians Ibn Hisham and Ibn Sa'd:

"Najran has the protection of God and the pledges of Muhammad, the Prophet, to protect their (the Christians') lives, faith, land, property, those who are absent and those who are present, and their clan and allies. They need not change anything of their past customs. No right of theirs or their religion shall be altered. No bishop, monk or church guard shall be removed from his position."

It was in this spirit that, when I spoke to two Masjid congregations in Karachi, Pakistan during my recent trip there and brought up the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, I found the thoughtful faces of those worshipers quite concerned.

When I told them about the statements of his wife Marianne Pearl in appreciation of all Pakistanis, and her statement that she wanted their child to be a bridge builder in this world, I could literally see the audience was touched.

Based on the media images, I was a bit worried about bringing this subject up in a Masjid in Karachi. I even thought of some safety strategies in case I encountered hostility. But my heart was strengthened by the responses I received. I could see true Muslims and true Pakistanis sitting in that Masjid truly concerned and in sympathy for Daniel Pearl.

source: http://www.yespakistan.com/minorities.asp

[mithun_minhas]

In India too, a lot of street sweepers are from the Dalit community. Those Dalits can be Hindus/Muslims/Christians...

Interestingly, you will also see the supervisors, local Municipality chiefs are also Dalits(Thanks to affirmative action). A lot of Govt jobs are dominated by Dalits and other Backward Castes these days.

Most people might not know this, but I have seen Brahmins cleaning toilets and drawing hand pulled Rickshaws. Times have changed.

[AFG_Brit]

^^ thanks guys for the info.

[Dolphins]

Some guy talked about dalits doing these same jobs in India. Ironically enough the Christians who do these jobs in Pakistan used to be Hindu Dalits until they converted. Nowadays many of these people do not do garbage work anymore since Afghan refugees have took over that. If you look at the Christians in Pakistan with Portuguese heritage then you will find most of them have good jobs. A lot of them are famous in Karachi's underground music scene and they love to party hard. All of the Hindus I have encountered in Karachi were lawyers, doctors and accountants. And I can safely say that 99% of the Parsis in Pakistan are well off.

But OP is a well known troll.

[carbon11]

isn't a bhangi someone who is a drug addict smokes charas?

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by carbon11 isn't a bhangi someone who is a drug addict smokes charas?

LOL.


Thats exactly what I thought.

[Looney]

Originally Posted by Dolphins Some guy talked about dalits doing these same jobs in India. Ironically enough the Christians who do these jobs in Pakistan used to be Hindu Dalits until they converted. Nowadays many of these people do not do garbage work anymore since Afghan refugees have took over that. If you look at the Christians in Pakistan with Portuguese heritage then you will find most of them have good jobs. A lot of them are famous in Karachi's underground music scene and they love to party hard. All of the Hindus I have encountered in Karachi were lawyers, doctors and accountants. And I can safely say that 99% of the Parsis in Pakistan are well off. But OP is a well known troll.

Though I don`t agree with the last par about him being a troll but agree with the rest .

I am not denying that they are poverty stricken but honestly , go to Orangi and Lyari and you will find more Muslims living in conditions just as bad . On the other hand , you have the likes of Shallum Xavier , Gumby , Deepak Perwani , Ardeshir Cowasjee and many others who are living in much better conditions , some of them even belonging to the " elite " class .

Like I said , you are poor in Pakistan , you are f***** . The sweeper jobs , garbage picking have been taken over by Afghan refugees in Karachi , at least , because they work for less money and are treated pretty badly by their employers .

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Dolphins Some guy talked about dalits doing these same jobs in India. Ironically enough the Christians who do these jobs in Pakistan used to be Hindu Dalits until they converted. Nowadays many of these people do not do garbage work anymore since Afghan refugees have took over that. If you look at the Christians in Pakistan with Portuguese heritage then you will find most of them have good jobs. A lot of them are famous in Karachi's underground music scene and they love to party hard. All of the Hindus I have encountered in Karachi were lawyers, doctors and accountants. And I can safely say that 99% of the Parsis in Pakistan are well off. But OP is a well known troll.

#highfive

Yes, as I said it's more caste problem than a religious one...



...look at all these Karachi's Pintos being rockstars.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BTW if you think Naraku is a member of Pakistani minority rather than an Indian troll you need your head checking.

[nish_mate]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat BTW if you think Naraku is a member of Pakistani minority rather than an Indian troll you need your head checking.

Me thinks he's Soton long lost twin brother.....

Maties as Pakistani as Soton's Indian....
Make what you of it....

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by nish_mate Me thinks he's Soton long lost twin brother..... Maties as Pakistani as Soton's Indian.... Make what you of it....

It's a point-scoring, digi-porn cyber-tastic showdown

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by nish_mate Me thinks he's Soton long lost twin brother..... Maties as Pakistani as Soton's Indian.... Make what you of it....

Soton claims to be sitting in India. Mods can check this. Ask freelance

[nish_mate]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom Soton claims to be sitting in India. Mods can check this. Ask freelance

Couldnt care less where the matie's from... either of them

both are humorous and comic in their own ways.

[insaan]

We can dismiss anything said by the posters who have an agenda, OR we can separate the message from the poster, and just address what is being said, not who is saying it. But easier said than done.

My personal view, Soton is an Indian Muslim, and he mostly reports from Indian newspapers. His agenda is to show that secularism is far from perfect in India, and Muslims face discrimination at many levels. And I do not disagree with that. One can say what does he achieve by reporting it on a Pakistani forum, but then one can also say what does another Indian poster achieve by posting good news about India. Soton is a valuable addition to this forum and has his place in the spectrum of Indian POVS. I have close friends who have similar views as Soton on some topics, so I know where he is coming from.

For Naraku, it is too early to say with any certainty whether he is a Pakistani minority or a non Pakistani troll. But for whatever he is worth, he does show the hypocrisy of some posters who admire Soton, but get offended when Naraku posts something which shows Pakistan in a bad light, irrespective of the veracity of his reports.

We must welcome all sorts of opinions and discuss them. This forum will be poorer if we only allow the opinions we want to hear.

[mithun_minhas]

I think Naraku is a Pakistani minority.

Soton is an Indian Muslim who likes to show the poor side of India. Nothing wrong with that.

Both Soton and Naraku look like pests for their respective countries. But they provide some sort of entertainment well as minority view of both India/Pak.

[Naraku]

Like some have said, I am as Pakistani as soton is Indian.

Do you guys call soton a troll each time he creates a thread? Check all his threads, they follow a trend, so why pick on me just because I dont follow the popular theme; India bashing, Zionist, etc.

I am a Pakistani Minority, and to the question of what group, I say why does it matter, not that it does in Pakistan; a kafir is a kafir, nothing more nothing less. I am a second-class citizen in my country and clearly one over here too. A person with less than equal rights, oh well, I am used to it now.

Really, I should be having more rights, than soton, on this forum since it is a Pakistani forum, and not a Jihadi forum, but seems like Apartheid has creeped in here as well.

[Myrmidon]

Originally Posted by Naraku Like some have said, I am as Pakistani as soton is Indian. Do you guys call soton a troll each time he creates a thread? Check all his threads, they follow a trend, so why pick on me just because I dont follow the popular theme; India bashing, Zionist, etc. I am a Pakistani Minority, and to the question of what group, I say why does it matter, not that it does in Pakistan; a kafir is a kafir, nothing more nothing less. I am a second-class citizen in my country and clearly one over here too. A person with less than equal rights, oh well, I am used to it now. Really, I should be having more rights, than soton, on this forum since it is a Pakistani forum, and not a Jihadi forum, but seems like Apartheid has creeped in here as well.

ignore...


simple, you should never not let others dictate your life
it is your life
it is your id
it is your internet

you can post what you want, i dont know you but ill have your back against these people because im not unrealistic or overly patriotic

your pointing out the negatives in the society which should be addressed and a country made better but instead your being called a troll for pointing these out

ignore it

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Naraku Do you guys call soton a troll each time he creates a thread? Check all his threads, they follow a trend, so why pick on me just because I dont follow the popular theme; India bashing, Zionist, etc.

This is a fair point.

The whole point of a discussion forum is to have a wide range of views. No matter whether one likes what that poster is saying or not.

I don't like this shutting down of opinions by calling someone 'Indian troll' or whatever - its childish. Grow up.

Some posters post threads following a common agenda - people accept it - nobody calls for them to be banned.

But when someone else posts threads, also following an agenda but albeit a different one - people want that person banned.

That does not allow constructive debate.

What's the point of this forum if we all said the same things, following the same agenda ?

There's an old saying - you have to eat crap and eventually learn to like the taste of it.

We are a deeply flawed nation, and we can't get away from that, we have to debate, and discuss these problems - not hide them and thump our chests in some faux-patriot/nationalism.

[DeadlyVenom]

obvious troll is obvious

[Pakpak]

Mods can check whether Naraku troll is from Pakistan or not via his IP and end this debate once and for all.

[Naraku]

Originally Posted by Pakpak Mods can check whether Naraku troll is from Pakistan or not via his IP and end this debate once and for all.

Mods can check my IP, but my birth-certificate and passport, is the proof of; I am Pakistani or not.

Many Americans believe President Obama is not born in America, even through he released his birth-certificate, so people will believe what they want to.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by Naraku Mods can check my IP, but my birth-certificate and passport, is the proof of; I am Pakistani or not. Many Americans believe President Obama is not born in America, even through he released his birth-certificate, so people will believe what they want to.

Fair enough mate.

Keep doing what you are doing.

[shahrukh619]

Originally Posted by Naraku Mods can check my IP, but my birth-certificate and passport, is the proof of; I am Pakistani or not. Many Americans believe President Obama is not born in America, even through he released his birth-certificate, so people will believe what they want to.

what do you think of Misbah?

JUst a citizenship test by me

[Naraku]

Originally Posted by shahrukh619 what do you think of Misbah? JUst a citizenship test by me

should stay away from one-day and t20, along with Mr.

[Namak_Halaal]

At least they have a job in Pakistan!

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal At least they have a job in Pakistan!

I know, sure some people can't believe their luck.

[Green Leopard]

All the cleaners at my office are Zimbabweans. Unfortunately because of their skin colour the Kolpak rule discriminates against them.