Islamic militants threaten war on Pakistan over Kashmir

[Garuda]

Islamic militants fighting Indian forces in Kashmir will declare war on Pakistan if it weakens its traditional support for their jihad, their senior leader has warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...r-Kashmir.html


This is a case of blackmail. Now suddenly these guys defined Kashmir as Pakistan's war.

[Gabbar Singh]

Where are these so called 'militants'? Jihadi attacks on the Indian army or Indian interests in Kashmir are at an all time low. Where are they all hiding?

[the Great Khan]

strange,,everyone seems to want to go to war with Pakistan, a nation of 180 million Muslims, shabaash..im sure that method will liberate kashmir..

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh Where are these so called 'militants'? Jihadi attacks on the Indian army or Indian interests in Kashmir are at an all time low. Where are they all hiding?

They do not need to hide if they are in the Pakistan side as they have no crime record against them there. So they can live like normal people. Only thing is they are not being paid anymore as the support from govt/army has died.

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan strange,,everyone seems to want to go to war with Pakistan, a nation of 180 million Muslims, shabaash..im sure that method will liberate kashmir..

I doubt if that was ever his priority.

These kind of people will fight for anyone against anyone for money. May be he is indirectly asking for someone else to pay him to fight inside Pakistan. never know.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh Where are these so called 'militants'? Jihadi attacks on the Indian army or Indian interests in Kashmir are at an all time low. Where are they all hiding?

As I said on this forum, the Kashmiris have learned that the "jihadi", militancy don't favour them.
So Yasin Malik, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Syed Ali Shah Geelani-like leaders are more for a "peaceful" way of resolving their issues, in order to attract world community's sympathy.

Originally Posted by the Great Khan strange,,everyone seems to want to go to war with Pakistan, a nation of 180 million Muslims, shabaash..im sure that method will liberate kashmir..

You shouldn't take him seriously, he's just scaring the Pak govt. to be pro-active in the Kashmir freedom movement, but I don't think he's serious when he says that they'll attack Pakistan, he just doesn't have the men-power to go on such adventure : can assure you that no Kashmiri, on either side, will ever think of attacking Pakistan.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan strange,,everyone seems to want to go to war with Pakistan, a nation of 180 million Muslims, shabaash..im sure that method will liberate kashmir..

Exactly. From the Pakistani Taliban to these Kashmiri freedom fighters, everyone wants to fight for Islam but target the only Muslim nation with nuclear power.

[Smiling Creed]

As you sow so shall you reap....

[Smiling Creed]

Originally Posted by deviously~fading~away Exactly. From the Pakistani Taliban to these Kashmiri freedom fighters, everyone wants to fight for Islam but target the only Muslim nation with nuclear power.

The fight is not about Islam.....this is about money and power. As simple as that.

[KingKhanWC]

Last month numerous Indian occupying soldiers were killed in Kashmir. I would take this story from the Telegraph with a pinch of salt.

[Mohsin]

Yeah OK....things suddenly 'hotting up' i see. Direct NATO supply route pressure didnt work...now we'll have bomb attacks again and even this 'news'
Take this with a couple of tablespoons of salt

[soton]

Their anger is understandable considering this organisation was created by Pakistani intelligence for a moral cause of delivering justice and freedom for oppressed people of Kashmir. Also in the last two years Kashmiri protests have been non-violent protest which meant LeT is no more in the headlines and Kashmiri people have realised that violence is not the only option for freedom struggle


Current Pakistani administration has failed to raise the Kashmir issue at international and seems to be content with just Azad Kashmir –while the rest of the Kashmiris are struggling under Indian military occupation. Pakistan should help Kashmiris in debunking the mantra of Kashmiri violence and Indian insecurity which India shamelessly uses to suppress people of the valley.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by soton Their anger is understandable considering this organisation was created by Pakistani intelligence for a moral cause of delivering justice and freedom for oppressed people of Kashmir. Also in the last two years Kashmiri protests have been non-violent protest which meant LeT is no more in the headlines and Kashmiri people have realised that violence is not the only option for freedom struggle Current Pakistani administration has failed to raise the Kashmir issue at international and seems to be content with just Azad Kashmir –while the rest of the Kashmiris are struggling under Indian military occupation. Pakistan should help Kashmiris in debunking the mantra of Kashmiri violence and Indian insecurity which India shamelessly uses to suppress people of the valley.

This will be done, after this traitor corrupt puppet Government is finally lifting away from us (InshAllah)...the policy for Kashmir of this Government was summed up by Asif Ali Ghaddari calling Kashmiri freedom-fighters...'terrorists'

[akheR]

Originally Posted by soton Current Pakistani administration has failed to raise the Kashmir issue at international and seems to be content with just Azad Kashmir –while the rest of the Kashmiris are struggling under Indian military occupation. Pakistan should help Kashmiris in debunking the mantra of Kashmiri violence and Indian insecurity which India shamelessly uses to suppress people of the valley.

I think Pakistan shouldn't support it, otherwise the Indians will still play the "Pak Jihadi" card to block any referendum and such.

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by Garuda Islamic militants fighting Indian forces in Kashmir will declare war on Pakistan if it weakens its traditional support for their jihad, their senior leader has warned. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...r-Kashmir.html This is a case of blackmail. Now suddenly these guys defined Kashmir as Pakistan's war.

If they got no money left to fight india then how on earth will they attack pak if they go to RAW then i am sure ISI will go back to old route which is to sponsor them.

[123]

Originally Posted by soton Their anger is understandable considering this organisation was created by Pakistani intelligence for a moral cause of delivering justice and freedom for oppressed people of Kashmir. Also in the last two years Kashmiri protests have been non-violent protest which meant LeT is no more in the headlines and Kashmiri people have realised that violence is not the only option for freedom struggle Current Pakistani administration has failed to raise the Kashmir issue at international and seems to be content with just Azad Kashmir –while the rest of the Kashmiris are struggling under Indian military occupation. Pakistan should help Kashmiris in debunking the mantra of Kashmiri violence and Indian insecurity which India shamelessly uses to suppress people of the valley.

Oh you must be feeling let down

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by soton Current Pakistani administration has failed to raise the Kashmir issue at international and seems to be content with just Azad Kashmir –while the rest of the Kashmiris are struggling under Indian military occupation. Pakistan should help Kashmiris in debunking the mantra of Kashmiri violence and Indian insecurity which India shamelessly uses to suppress people of the valley.

what is your response to the kashmir militants who took arms against india in the 80's voluntarily returning back to india to be rehabbed back into society. situation can't be that bad that they are returning to india?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18270058

the sooner we stop making kashmir a thorn in the side of indo pak peace the better it would be for both of us. too much money and energy has been expended by both nations on something which will not be resolved in the near forseeable future. till we feel pak is instigating/supporting the kashmiri miliants, we are not going to give up our side of kashmir, irrespective of the cost in material and personnel terms.
the only hope the kashmiris have of an independent state is if india and pak are not at each other's throats. till they remain existential political enemies ain't no way anything is going to change in kashmir.

[soton]

Originally Posted by akheR I think Pakistan shouldn't support it, otherwise the Indians will still play the "Pak Jihadi" card to block any referendum and such.

Support doesnt have to be limited to supplying arms to freedom fighters but Pakistan can use international forum to highlight the plight of kashimiris in IOK and remind international community about its obligation to protect rights of Kashmiri people.

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[Amar786]

Originally Posted by soton Support doesnt have to be limited to supplying arms to freedom fighters but Pakistan can use international forum to highlight the plight of kashimiris in IOK and remind international community about its obligation to protect rights of Kashmiri people. sent from Motorola Xoom2

But will that stop it happening? the answer is no even you know it.

[Gabbar Singh]

Originally Posted by soton Support doesnt have to be limited to supplying arms to freedom fighters but Pakistan can use international forum to highlight the plight of kashimiris in IOK and remind international community about its obligation to protect rights of Kashmiri people. sent from Motorola Xoom2

The 'international community' ?

Yeah like they give a toss - those who actually have any influence in this world don't care - the Americans, Britain, the EU, Russia, the OIC nations love Indian money more than they love 'the plight of the Kashmiris'. Hell these days even the Chinese only give token statements about the conflict - they see India as just another market they can sell goods too so why risk this (India China trade is now 4 times more than Pakistan China trade levels, and most of this is in Chinas favour given the huge trade dficit).

Money talks, everthing else.....

The 'international community' don't even care about issues like Palestine yet you expect them to care here?

[akheR]

Originally Posted by soton Support doesnt have to be limited to supplying arms to freedom fighters but Pakistan can use international forum to highlight the plight of kashimiris in IOK and remind international community about its obligation to protect rights of Kashmiri people. sent from Motorola Xoom2

Well, but we Kashmiris should speak as "Kashmiris" and not "Pakistanis" in these international forums, if you get what I mean.
Otherwise the Indians will take advantage of such discourses.

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by Amar786 If they got no money left to fight india then how on earth will they attack pak if they go to RAW then i am sure ISI will go back to old route which is to sponsor them.

Check the later post of mine. I said the same thing. They might be asking money indirectly from someone else. Who knows?

[Garuda]

But atleast this proves that they were getting financial (atleast) support from Pakistani Govt./agencies.

[Green Leopard]

If only Kashmir had oil the international community would then lend a hand rather then just a ear.

[Bewal Express]

Make kashmir independent from both and problem solved. Everybody gains and nobody loses face. We can actually concentrate on problems facing both these poor countries. For all pretences Ind is a desperately poor country with 1/2bn on the breadline and we know about the problems we face.
Stop this war of egos and fight the real problems that face both.

[soton]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh The 'international community' ? Yeah like they give a toss - those who actually have any influence in this world don't care - the Americans, Britain, the EU, Russia, the OIC nations love Indian money more than they love 'the plight of the Kashmiris'. Hell these days even the Chinese only give token statements about the conflict - they see India as just another market they can sell goods too so why risk this (India China trade is now 4 times more than Pakistan China trade levels, and most of this is in Chinas favour given the huge trade dficit). Money talks, everthing else..... The 'international community' don't even care about issues like Palestine yet you expect them to care here?

Agree that west is not interested in resolving this issue this is mainly becoz Kashmiris have failed to tell their story to the world and Kashmiris have failed to counter the indian propoganda which refers kashmiri insurrection as religiously motivated struggle which is gratuitous and directed at hindus. Freedom struggles around the world have faced similar problems even the apartheid state of SA had the support of west but eventually people who fought for justice and equality managed to win support of rest of the world. Agree that enemy is strong and resourceful so kashmiris will have to persevere for years and organise themselves better to acheive independence.

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[Naraku]

Originally Posted by soton Agree that west is not interested in resolving this issue this is mainly becoz Kashmiris have failed to tell their story to the world and Kashmiris have failed to counter the indian propoganda which refers kashmiri insurrection as religiously motivated struggle which is gratuitous and directed at hindus. Freedom struggles around the world have faced similar problems even the apartheid state of SA had the support of west but eventually people who fought for justice and equality managed to win support of rest of the world. Agree that enemy is strong and resourceful so kashmiris will have to persevere for years and organise themselves better to acheive independence. sent from Motorola Xoom2

non-muslims in all muslim countries are second-class citizens with unequal rights, does that make it apartheid as well?

[soton]

Originally Posted by Naraku non-muslims in all muslim countries are second-class citizens with unequal rights, does that make it apartheid as well?

Surely is whether it is commited by muslims or non muslims but give us examples of democratic muslim countries where there is verifiable evidence of mass graves of minorities ????

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[Naraku]

Originally Posted by soton Surely is whether it is commited by muslims or non muslims but give us examples of democratic muslim countries where there is verifiable evidence of mass graves of minorities ???? sent from Motorola Xoom2

unequal rights as in; cannot be a head of state, high ranking officer, life is worth half of a muslim, etc.

"Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves"-Abraham Lincoln

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Naraku unequal rights as in; cannot be a head of state, high ranking officer, life is worth half of a muslim, etc. "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves"-Abraham Lincoln

You're twisting the debate : Kashmiris don't ask for freedom as "Muslims" but as "Kashmiris", so how non Muslims are treated in Saudi Arabia or Sudan shouldn't really bother you or them.

[Naraku]

Originally Posted by akheR You're twisting the debate : Kashmiris don't ask for freedom as "Muslims" but as "Kashmiris", so how non Muslims are treated in Saudi Arabia or Sudan shouldn't really bother you or them.

I was talking about my very own Pakistan

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Naraku I was talking about my very own Pakistan

Yeah, your own very own Pakistan too.